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Okay I read that you shouldn't cook tomatoes in cast iron because it
could become poisonous. This can't be true can it? I just bought a
13-¼ inch skillet and a 10-¼ inch fryer from Lodge. Should I set
these two up for specific reasons only? The skillet just for searing
and the fryer just for frying or would it be okay to say cook sauces
in either? Any tips regarding Cast Iron would be appreciated also.
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"A.T. Hagan" wrote:

>
> I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
> the seasoning right out.


My pans look great, and spaget sauce is what I *mostly* cook in them. I rinse them
quickly, wiping out the crude, use not soap (maybe a little salt), wipe the surface
with 2 drops of oil and put back on the burner it came off of, and let the warmth
dry it completely.

> There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
> iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
> many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
> many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
> can lead to long term problems.


Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
do you have any references on iron being bad for men? Since most (pardon my pun)
red-blooded American men eat meat, do you believe sauce cooked in cast iron is more
likely to "iron overload" men? I am not flaming you, but sincerely interested.
blacksalt
female veggie (not chronically anemic) with veggie toddler, with a profession
interest in iron and iron deficiency


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On 06 Oct 2003 22:38:30 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:

(Vince Poroke) writes:
>
>>Okay I read that you shouldn't cook tomatoes in cast iron because it
>>could become poisonous.

>
>WHERE'D YOU READ SUCH TRIPE?
>Won't become poisonous but the acetic tomatoes will remove the pot's seasoning
>and probably give your sauce a burned and metalic taste... not poison at all...
>but won't taste very good unless your taste is in your ass.
>
>>This can't be true can it? I just bought a
>>13-¼ inch skillet and a 10-¼ inch fryer from Lodge. Should I set
>>these two up for specific reasons only? The skillet just for searing
>>and the fryer just for frying or would it be okay to say cook sauces
>>in either? Any tips regarding Cast Iron would be appreciated also.

>
>Unless it's hillybilly cooking you shouldn't be cooking any kinda sauce in cast
>iron... too slow to respond to temp change (even if removed from heat) so more
>chance of burning... nothing tastes worse than scorched tomato sauce.


I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
the seasoning right out.

There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
can lead to long term problems. Unless the pan has been used to cast
lead or something I can't think of any other way that cooking acidic
foods in cast iron would be toxic.

......Alan.




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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:23:57 -0700, kalanamak >
wrote:

>
>
>"A.T. Hagan" wrote:
>
>>
>> I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
>> the seasoning right out.

>
>My pans look great, and spaget sauce is what I *mostly* cook in them. I rinse them
>quickly, wiping out the crude, use not soap (maybe a little salt), wipe the surface
>with 2 drops of oil and put back on the burner it came off of, and let the warmth
>dry it completely.


Well, yes. You're reoiling it after every use so the seasoning
doesn't thin out. I'm gradually doing the same myself since I now
seldom fry anything.

>> There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
>> iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
>> many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
>> many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
>> can lead to long term problems.

>
>Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
>do you have any references on iron being bad for men? Since most (pardon my pun)
>red-blooded American men eat meat, do you believe sauce cooked in cast iron is more
>likely to "iron overload" men? I am not flaming you, but sincerely interested.
>blacksalt


Can't point you to a online reference. That info came from a
discussion with my doctor as she was telling me my iron count was high
and suggested I not take multivitamins with added iron. I went back
to donating blood and that problem went away.

......Alan.


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kalanamak > wrote in message >...
> "A.T. Hagan" wrote:
>
> >
> > I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
> > the seasoning right out.

>
> My pans look great, and spaget sauce is what I *mostly* cook in them. I rinse them
> quickly, wiping out the crude, use not soap (maybe a little salt), wipe the surface
> with 2 drops of oil and put back on the burner it came off of, and let the warmth
> dry it completely.
>
> > There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
> > iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
> > many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
> > many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
> > can lead to long term problems.

>
> Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
> do you have any references on iron being bad for men? Since most (pardon my pun)
> red-blooded American men eat meat, do you believe sauce cooked in cast iron is more
> likely to "iron overload" men? I am not flaming you, but sincerely interested.
> blacksalt
> female veggie (not chronically anemic) with veggie toddler, with a profession
> interest in iron and iron deficiency




SO I can cook anything I want in these pans? Basically just treat
them like I would my others but keeping in mind the maintance care for
them. I am really looking forward to this. There is a resaurant in
my area that only uses cast iron for every thing. They are always
busy and tops the lists in our area. The EC is the one that got me on
this cast iron kick.
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kalanamak wrote:

> Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
> do you have any references on iron being bad for men?



http://www.wellfx.com/InfoBase/Iron.html

High amounts of iron have been found in the brains of people afflicted
with Parkinson's disease, and it could disrupt the central nervous
system enough to aggravate, if not cause, mental disorders.

Excess iron is implicated in other diseases, too. It could accumulate to
a toxic extent in our organs and tissues, including the joints, the
liver, the gonads, and the heart. It could feed the growth of harmful
bacteria and malignant tumor cells, as well as stimulate additional
cancer-promoting free radical activity.

Jukka Salonen, M.D., a Finish heart researcher, established that LDL
cholesterol becomes an artery-blocking danger only when it oxidizes and
that men with high concentration of iron (or copper) in their bodies are
at a particularly grave risk.

Swedish research confirms that iron-fortified flour can more than triple
the incidence of primary liver cancer and multiply by more than ten
times the incidence of hemochromatosis, in which the intestines absorb
more iron than the body needs.

Copper, cobalt, manganese, and vitamin C are necessary to assimilate
iron. Iron is necessary for proper metabolization of B vitamins.



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levelwave wrote:

> High amounts of iron have been found in the brains of people afflicted
> with Parkinson's disease, and it could disrupt the central nervous
> system enough to aggravate, if not cause, mental disorders.


The same thing has been said about aluminum and alzheimers. However
because two things occur simultaneously does not necessarily mean one
causes the other.

Classic false cause fallacy.

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levelwave > wrote:

> High amounts of iron have been found in the brains of people afflicted
> with Parkinson's disease, and it could disrupt the central nervous
> system enough to aggravate, if not cause, mental disorders.


Correlation is not causation.

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Brian Trosko wrote:

> Correlation is not causation.



And only reading the first paragraph isn't comprehension...

~john!

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Why is one not supposed to use soap when washing cast iron?

"Brian Trosko" > wrote in message
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> levelwave > wrote:
>
> > High amounts of iron have been found in the brains of people afflicted
> > with Parkinson's disease, and it could disrupt the central nervous
> > system enough to aggravate, if not cause, mental disorders.

>
> Correlation is not causation.
>



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(Vince Poroke) wrote in message . com>...
> kalanamak > wrote in message >...
> > "A.T. Hagan" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
> > > the seasoning right out.

> >
> > My pans look great, and spaget sauce is what I *mostly* cook in them. I rinse them
> > quickly, wiping out the crude, use not soap (maybe a little salt), wipe the surface
> > with 2 drops of oil and put back on the burner it came off of, and let the warmth
> > dry it completely.
> >
> > > There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
> > > iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
> > > many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
> > > many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
> > > can lead to long term problems.

> >
> > Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
> > do you have any references on iron being bad for men? Since most (pardon my pun)
> > red-blooded American men eat meat, do you believe sauce cooked in cast iron is more
> > likely to "iron overload" men? I am not flaming you, but sincerely interested.
> > blacksalt
> > female veggie (not chronically anemic) with veggie toddler, with a profession
> > interest in iron and iron deficiency

>
>
>
> SO I can cook anything I want in these pans? Basically just treat
> them like I would my others but keeping in mind the maintance care for
> them. I am really looking forward to this. There is a resaurant in
> my area that only uses cast iron for every thing. They are always
> busy and tops the lists in our area. The EC is the one that got me on
> this cast iron kick.


I cook nearly everything in cast iron... It's not been practical to
boil water in it so far, I use a stainless stock pot for that, for
things like pasta, steaming veggies and hard boiling eggs.
I have had a lot of problems cooking in stainless steel with scorching
anything other than water.
For some reason, I DON'T have that problem with cast iron! It seems to
distribute the heat more evenly for me.

I even roast in them. :-)

I will NEVER cook in Aluminum. You want to talk about a toxic and
reactive metal. :-P

Sorry, but my experience with cooking italian in cast iron has been
just fine. My iron levels stay well in normal range too, and I don't
have the problem with anemia that SO many women in my area do! I am
the Hematology supervisor at my lab, so I get to see a lot of blood
counts... ;-)

I've only seen 2 cases of polycythemia in 10 years, and that's not
necessarily related to iron overload.

There is, however, concerns that too much iron in the diet can
increase the risk of heart disease, but I suspect that may be caused
more by over indulgence in iron supplements unless you have an
underlying iron storage disease.

If you are really worried about it, donate blood regularly, every 3
months. There is a critical blood shortage in the Austin/San Antonio
area right now. They held an emergency blood drive at our hospital
today. The workload was too high for me to be able to go, darnit! :-(
Human resources was offering PPL hours equivalent to a day off for
most people for donating. :-)

As for an "off" flavor from iron leeching due to the acid? I don't
think so. Just don't scorch it!

C.


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(Vince Poroke) wrote in message . com>...
> kalanamak > wrote in message >...
> > "A.T. Hagan" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
> > > the seasoning right out.

> >
> > My pans look great, and spaget sauce is what I *mostly* cook in them. I rinse them
> > quickly, wiping out the crude, use not soap (maybe a little salt), wipe the surface
> > with 2 drops of oil and put back on the burner it came off of, and let the warmth
> > dry it completely.
> >
> > > There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
> > > iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
> > > many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
> > > many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
> > > can lead to long term problems.

> >
> > Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
> > do you have any references on iron being bad for men? Since most (pardon my pun)
> > red-blooded American men eat meat, do you believe sauce cooked in cast iron is more
> > likely to "iron overload" men? I am not flaming you, but sincerely interested.
> > blacksalt
> > female veggie (not chronically anemic) with veggie toddler, with a profession
> > interest in iron and iron deficiency

>
>
>
> SO I can cook anything I want in these pans? Basically just treat
> them like I would my others but keeping in mind the maintance care for
> them. I am really looking forward to this. There is a resaurant in
> my area that only uses cast iron for every thing. They are always
> busy and tops the lists in our area. The EC is the one that got me on
> this cast iron kick.


I cook nearly everything in cast iron... It's not been practical to
boil water in it so far, I use a stainless stock pot for that, for
things like pasta, steaming veggies and hard boiling eggs.
I have had a lot of problems cooking in stainless steel with scorching
anything other than water.
For some reason, I DON'T have that problem with cast iron! It seems to
distribute the heat more evenly for me.

I even roast in them. :-)

I will NEVER cook in Aluminum. You want to talk about a toxic and
reactive metal. :-P

Sorry, but my experience with cooking italian in cast iron has been
just fine. My iron levels stay well in normal range too, and I don't
have the problem with anemia that SO many women in my area do! I am
the Hematology supervisor at my lab, so I get to see a lot of blood
counts... ;-)

I've only seen 2 cases of polycythemia in 10 years, and that's not
necessarily related to iron overload.

There is, however, concerns that too much iron in the diet can
increase the risk of heart disease, but I suspect that may be caused
more by over indulgence in iron supplements unless you have an
underlying iron storage disease.

If you are really worried about it, donate blood regularly, every 3
months. There is a critical blood shortage in the Austin/San Antonio
area right now. They held an emergency blood drive at our hospital
today. The workload was too high for me to be able to go, darnit! :-(
Human resources was offering PPL hours equivalent to a day off for
most people for donating. :-)

As for an "off" flavor from iron leeching due to the acid? I don't
think so. Just don't scorch it!

C.
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Carnivore269 wrote:

> I will NEVER cook in Aluminum. You want to talk about a toxic and
> reactive metal. :-P


Reactive yes, toxic no.

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Hark! I heard "Aria" > say:

> Why is one not supposed to use soap when washing cast iron?


Soap ruins the seasoned finish; it breaks down the nice, baked on
grease and opens your cast iron to rust. I found this out the hard
way...


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Reg > wrote in message gy.com>...
> Carnivore269 wrote:
>
> > I will NEVER cook in Aluminum. You want to talk about a toxic and
> > reactive metal. :-P

>
> Reactive yes, toxic no.


That's a matter of opinion. ;-)
There are lots of links in google.

Aluminum Oxide is not something I'd want to eat, and besides,
it's bitter as hell... I don't even cover tomatoe dishes with aluminum
foil as the one time I did it, mom pointed out to me how it ate holes
in the foil, and it did! It also left black spots all over the top of
the dish. I had to scrape it all off before serving. I now use Saran
wrap.

C.


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(Carnivore269) wrote in message . com>...
>
(Vince Poroke) wrote in message . com>...
> > kalanamak > wrote in message >...
> > > "A.T. Hagan" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I personally don't cook acidic foods in my cast iron since it'll thin
> > > > the seasoning right out.
> > >
> > > My pans look great, and spaget sauce is what I *mostly* cook in them. I rinse them
> > > quickly, wiping out the crude, use not soap (maybe a little salt), wipe the surface
> > > with 2 drops of oil and put back on the burner it came off of, and let the warmth
> > > dry it completely.
> > >
> > > > There is one concern for cooking tomatoes or other acid foods in cast
> > > > iron and that is the amount of iron it picks up from the pan. For
> > > > many women who are chronically anemic that iron is a good thing. For
> > > > many men who may actually have too much iron in their blood already it
> > > > can lead to long term problems.
> > >
> > > Iron is (pardon the pun) bloody hard to absorb. Unless someone has hemochromatosis,
> > > do you have any references on iron being bad for men? Since most (pardon my pun)
> > > red-blooded American men eat meat, do you believe sauce cooked in cast iron is more
> > > likely to "iron overload" men? I am not flaming you, but sincerely interested.
> > > blacksalt
> > > female veggie (not chronically anemic) with veggie toddler, with a profession
> > > interest in iron and iron deficiency

> >
> >
> >
> > SO I can cook anything I want in these pans? Basically just treat
> > them like I would my others but keeping in mind the maintance care for
> > them. I am really looking forward to this. There is a resaurant in
> > my area that only uses cast iron for every thing. They are always
> > busy and tops the lists in our area. The EC is the one that got me on
> > this cast iron kick.

>

<snipped>
>
> I've only seen 2 cases of polycythemia in 10 years, and that's not
> necessarily related to iron overload.
>

<snipped>
>
> If you are really worried about it, donate blood regularly, every 3
> months. There is a critical blood shortage in the Austin/San Antonio
> area right now. They held an emergency blood drive at our hospital
> today. The workload was too high for me to be able to go, darnit! :-(
> Human resources was offering PPL hours equivalent to a day off for
> most people for donating. :-)
>
>

Answering my own post here... I screwed up. I was not fully awake yet
and I typed in the wrong blood condition. <cringe> I sleep late since
I work a late shift.

Please replace "Polycythemia" with "Hemochromatosis" and while it is
not related to iron overload, it can be aggravated by it. It's an
inherited condition.

It's called "engage brain before shifting keyboard into gear". I'm
sure that error made me look like a total loser to anyone with medical
knowlege. :-( Maybe this will make up for it.

Hemochromatosis:

Excessive amounts of iron that accumulate in the blood and tissues is
classified as Hemosiderosis if the iron accumulation in the
macrophages causes little parenchymal cell injury. In
Hemochromatosis, however, the iron accumlates in the parenchymal cells
and injures the tissues.

Hereditary Hemochromatosis is a rare disease and is inherited as an
autosomal recessive trait. It is found primarily in middle-aged men.
It is caused by a disorder of the absorption of iron. The iron
contained in food is absorbed into the system irrespective of the
body's requirement for iron.

This excess iron is stored in the tissues, to their detriment. These
patients generally show hepatomegally (enlarged liver) and a bronze
colored skin pigmentation. In about 50% of the cases, there will be
splenomegaly, rheumatoid athritis-type symptoms, and diabetes mellitus
(frequently insulin resistant).

Weakness and weight loss are commonly found as a result of the
diabetes. Cardiac abnormalities and loss of hair may also result.

Laboratory tests show an increased serum iron level, slightly
decreased transferrin, and an increase saturation of transferrin. The
patients hemoglobin, hematocrit, and blood smear and generally normal
as is the test for rheumatoid arthritis.

The macrophages in the bone marrow generally show many small,
stainable particles of iron. Liver biopsy will generally show the
parenchymal cells to be overloaded with iron.

Hemochromatosis is generally treated by the use of phlebotomy
procedures, removing one pint of blood at regular intervals until the
accumlated iron is removed.

Source: Barbara brown, "Hematology principles and procedure" Fourth
edition.

In conclusion, again, if you are worried about iron overload, just
donate blood regularly! That's my social message for the night. ;-)

C.
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Carnivore269 saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us
all about it on 8 Oct 2003 11:35:03 -0700:

>Reg > wrote in message gy.com>...
>> Carnivore269 wrote:
>>
>> > I will NEVER cook in Aluminum. You want to talk about a toxic and
>> > reactive metal. :-P

>>
>> Reactive yes, toxic no.

>
>That's a matter of opinion. ;-)
>There are lots of links in google.
>
>Aluminum Oxide is not something I'd want to eat, and besides,
>it's bitter as hell... I don't even cover tomatoe dishes with aluminum
>foil as the one time I did it, mom pointed out to me how it ate holes
>in the foil, and it did! It also left black spots all over the top of
>the dish. I had to scrape it all off before serving. I now use Saran
>wrap.


So you can have plastic residue in your dish instead of aluminium
residue? We used to microwave stuff with the plastic 'microwave wrap'
over it but it melts! Use a glass lid. (or did you mean for storage
purposes AFTER it's cooked... that's different)

(huggles)

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Kajikit > wrote in message >. ..
> Carnivore269 saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us
> all about it on 8 Oct 2003 11:35:03 -0700:
>
> >Reg > wrote in message gy.com>...
> >> Carnivore269 wrote:
> >>
> >> > I will NEVER cook in Aluminum. You want to talk about a toxic and
> >> > reactive metal. :-P
> >>
> >> Reactive yes, toxic no.

> >
> >That's a matter of opinion. ;-)
> >There are lots of links in google.
> >
> >Aluminum Oxide is not something I'd want to eat, and besides,
> >it's bitter as hell... I don't even cover tomatoe dishes with aluminum
> >foil as the one time I did it, mom pointed out to me how it ate holes
> >in the foil, and it did! It also left black spots all over the top of
> >the dish. I had to scrape it all off before serving. I now use Saran
> >wrap.

>
> So you can have plastic residue in your dish instead of aluminium
> residue? We used to microwave stuff with the plastic 'microwave wrap'
> over it but it melts! Use a glass lid. (or did you mean for storage
> purposes AFTER it's cooked... that's different)
>
> (huggles)
>
> ~Karen AKA Kajikit
>


Just for storage and transport. :-)
I don't generally cook with Saran wrap! LOL!

I have glass corningware for cooking/heating in the microwave.

C.
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