On Feb 25, 12:04 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "MiamiCuse" > wrote
>
> > will be a hole. I also want to replace the dishwasher and basically all
> > the appliances. Strangely enough, the kitchen is the only room in the
> > house that is wall papered and we hate wall paper. We need new walls and
> > new flooring in the kitchen so everything has to be removed. Guess we
> > will decide when we pull the cabinets whether to save them or not.
>
> It will probably take a while to get new cabinets delivered, so if you
> wait until then to decide, you will be without a kitchen for a bit longer.
>
> > Back in the 70s the swimming pool was heated by a giant 48" oil tank.
> > Later on they switched it to propane tank. So now there is a oil tank in
> > the back yard. Today I had someone here to give me an estimate to remove
> > and dispose of the oil tank and he quoted me $800 because it's hazardous
> > waste disposal. Ouch...the guys said if you dont want to pay for it, then
> > cut it in half and make it into an open BBQ pit.
>
> Cut it in half and bury it. Won't displace much dirt that way. Probably
> highly illegal. How about, cut it in half and use as giant planters. Heh.
>
> nancy

Sure. Plant some kudzu in it. It might be the only thing other than
goats that'll kill it!

$800 isn't bad. My uncle's house in the Boston area had a tank buried
in the yard, and it was $12-1500 to remove and dispose of that one.

maxine in ri

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:15:37 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
> wrote:

>3600 SF CBS home

sorry, I have no idea what a SF CBS home is.

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:36:52 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
> wrote:

>I recently purchased an old house built in 1972 and everything is original.
>I am starting to figure what I need to do to the kitchen and need some
>advice.

SNIP
>
>I hope you enjoyed the tour, if you have any advise on what I should
>save/restore and what I should rip off and throw away, especially regarding
>the subzero refrigerator and cabinets, please let me know.
>
>Regards,
>
>MC
>

Adding to the usefully replies you have received one thing you may
need to address is what type of house wire you may have. 1972 is
right at the point where Aluminum house wiring went from very very bad
to just bad situation. It is an involved area that fortunately can be
corrected but will require time and expense. Given the general
condition of the house I'd investigate your wiring.

One poster did mention the conditions of the wall plugs, I would
replace them even if there is copper wire in the house. As for the
Aluminum the following link is a START.

http://www.inspect-ny.com/aluminum/aluminum.htm

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In article >,
says...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "MiamiCuse" > wrote
> >
> >> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...n/P1000523.jpg
> >>
> >> Know what the emergency button is for?
> >
> > Looks like an intercom, who knows what buzzes if you push
> > that button.
> >
> >> I hope you enjoyed the tour, if you have any advise on what I should
> >> save/restore and what I should rip off and throw away, especially
> >> regarding
> >> the subzero refrigerator and cabinets, please let me know.
> >
> > Are the cabinets in decent condition, and when you pull out the
> > drawers, are they in good working order? Are the doors in
> > working order? Is the quality any good? The interiors under the
> > sink, does that look horrible or can it be painted? And, most of
> > all, before you start buying appliances to fit into the spaces your
> > cabinets allow for, which looks to me like will be a pain, do you
> > like the configuration. Because if you spend all that money on the
> > other stuff, then decide you don't like the cabinets, you will be out
> > a lot of money.
> >
> > I'm on the side of replacing them, but that's me. Your house was
> > built in 72, if it was 1902 maybe there would be some vintage
> > quality that would say keep them. If that came out wrong, I
> > apologize, it's not meant to be rude.
> >
> > The refrigerator, if nothing else, you're going to spend a lot to
> > fix it up, then you'll still have an old refrigerator. It will cost a
> > lot in utilities to run, also.
> >
> > Good luck with your kitchen and thanks a lot for the pictures.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> >
>
> The cabinets are in decent shape. The drawers are running fine, the pantry
> has those rotating shelves and other neat space saving items in it. The
> only thing is I don't need a trash compactor, so if I pull that out, there
> will be a hole. I also want to replace the dishwasher and basically all the
> appliances. Strangely enough, the kitchen is the only room in the house
> that is wall papered and we hate wall paper. We need new walls and new
> flooring in the kitchen so everything has to be removed. Guess we will
> decide when we pull the cabinets whether to save them or not.
>
> Back in the 70s the swimming pool was heated by a giant 48" oil tank. Later
> on they switched it to propane tank. So now there is a oil tank in the back
> yard. Today I had someone here to give me an estimate to remove and dispose
> of the oil tank and he quoted me $800 because it's hazardous waste disposal.
> Ouch...the guys said if you dont want to pay for it, then cut it in half and
> make it into an open BBQ pit.
>
> Anyone wants a giant oil tank? You can have it.
>
> MC
>
>
>

In all seriousness - put it up on craigslist or freecycle. Someone will
come and get it.

In article >, says...
>

> Also, what typically happens when you start renovating a house is that you
> get a domino effect of things that need to be fixed. I know this from
> personal experience, and it can be very frustrating. For example, let's say
> you start with the intention of "just" doing the kitchen. Then, your
> electrician finds that all the wiring is in bad shape or was improperly done
> to begin with. In order to bring it to code you'll have to rewire much of
> the house. As you begin rewiring, you learn of problems with some of the
> plumbing - corroded pipes, leaky joints, etc. It's literally like opening a
> can of worms. Again, best of luck with whatever you decide. And remember,
> we're called "home moaners" for a reason

My friends and I come from a different background I guess. An
electrician is only necessary for final inspections and connections.

I worked in a combo hardware/home improvement store for six years and
they trained us on everything from electrical, plumbing, even how to
paint a surface properly. It was a company that believed that well
trained employees were valuable. Oh for those days again.

And the fact that I spent several summers with my uncle doing
destruction gave me no fear at tearing into things.

Friend of mine doesn't even have that background but then, he never
heard of using a hammer as a gauge for the height of electrical boxes.

The biggest cost savings come with doing it yourself. Don't be afraid to
read the books, watch the how-to's, even do some google or other
searching.

Planning is the key to any project. It lets you plot out the what-if's
of the project ahead of time so there are few or no surprises.

On Feb 24, 7:00�pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Feb 24, 1:20?pm, "ms_peacock" > wrote:
> >>>> From those tight shot pics I don't think the OP wanted anyone to
> >>>> see
> >>> much of that house because from the poster's addy it's obviously in
> >>> FL, and to me that thing sure smells of doublewide... it's
> >>> definitely trailer trash construction.
>
> >>> Sheldon
>
> >> You obviously don't know what you're talking about. No 1970s trailer
> >> house had SubZero or Thermador appliances of any kind. They had
> >> cheap Frigidaire or GE appliances. Second, if you look at the pic of
> >> the built in blender you'll see a wall. It's not cheap wood
> >> paneling. All 1970s trailer houses had wood paneling throughout the
> >> whole house. In some brands it was "wood look" and in some it was
> >> actual wood but it was paneling. They also didn't have built in
> >> "optional" appliances like blenders and toasters either. A few did
> >> come with intercoms and built in stereos but they were just AM/FM
> >> radios, not 8-tracks and record changers.
>
> > It's you who doesn't know what you're talking about... you've
> > obviously never visited a trailer park. *Trailers have been fitted
> > with all manner of contraptions... anything that can be in a regular
> > stick built house can be fitted into a trailer, wall coverings and
> > appliances the least of it. *I've seen double wides with every
> > ammenity you can name, from skylights to spas to lap pools to full
> > wall fieldstone fireplaces... many with basements... name it it's been
> > done. *In fact those who choose to live in trailers by their very
> > nature are more apt to over indulge their "fantasy" castles with the
> > most hidious of ammenities much more so than normal folks.
>
> Sheldon is correct. *Even back in the 70's you could get any amenities in a
> mobile home that you could get in a regular house if you were willing to pay
> for them. *The fact that most people didn't do so doesn't mean it was an
> impossibility. *Stating that all mobile homes in the 1970's had wood paneled
> walls is just silly.
>
> I've seen mobile homes with, as Sheldon mentions, fantastic stone
> fireplaces, decks with hot tubs, etc. *Although the OP wasn't necessarily
> talking about mobile homes, sometimes you can't distinguish what started out
> as a mobile home from a regular house unless it's conveniently located in a
> "trailer park"


People use all sorts of incorrect descriptives when speaking of homes
other than stick built/masonary. The term "mobile home" really refers
only to a motorized RV or a "travel trailer"... these are built
substantially, designed to withstand the rigors of constant high speed
over the road travel. "Single wides" and "double wides" are not
mobile homes in that they are not made substantial enough for more
than low speed towing for relatively short distances, typically no
more than 100 miles but usually less then 10 miles, so once they are
set up they stay put... those are also built the shoddiest as they are
meant only as temporary housing, typically used to house people short
term when there are disasters, such as fires, storms, floods, etc.

And then there are what a lot of folks call "pre-fab" homes (the
correct term is now "modular" home). Early on these types of homes
were essentially knocked down trailers (single and double wides)
making them easier to transport, but they were just as poorly
constructed as the typical "house trailer" (another disparaging
term). Trailer type homes are made of cheap materials, have very thin
walls with practically no insulation making them expensive to heat/
cool. The basic unit had no ammenties, just a very basic kitchen/
bathroom. But folks who couldn't afford a "real" house began snapping
them up for very cheap prices (usually used) and began a never ending
fix-up/maintenence
project. Most are in trailer parks because local zoning does not
permit these "traps", but in some locales they are permitted
(typically in very rural/remote areas) and so they bagan to spring up
like mushrooms... those stand alone units almost always are the ones
that become the grand eyesores associated with "trailer trash".

Now modern modulars (often inccorectly referred to as "manufactured"
homes) are a whole nother thang, they are the homes of the future,
they are very well built, better than stick built, and have already
become the home of choice for the most wealthy. It won't be too much
longer and all there'll be are modular homes... building on-site homes
is becoming too costly and there just aren't many skilled craftsmen
anymore... no one wants to go into the building trades... the work
isn't steady, it's physically strenuous, it's dirty, working
conditions are attrocious (practically inhumane), and the work is
highly hazardous... plus as these workers reach ther fortieth birthday
they are for the vast majority unable to compete physically with the
newbies, so if they haven't begun their own contracting business they
pretty much need to find a new career in midlife.

Anyone contemplating having a custom home buit I recommend in the
strongest terms possible to check out modulars. You'll receive the
finest construction, with designs limited only by ones imagination,
and no misery of having to be married to a slime bag contractor for
more than a year. Once the site is prepared you can move into your
perfect precision built home in about a week.

http://homebuying.about.com/cs/modul...dularhomes.htm

Sheldon

On 25 Feb 2007 02:02:00 -0800, "Barry" > wrote:

>On Feb 24, 10:52 pm, "Barry" > wrote:
>> On Feb 24, 10:44 pm, Steve Wertz > wrote:
>>
>> > > Individual property owner decision in most cases..based on land value.
>> > > i.e. $800,000 property with $700,000 in land value = bulldozer.
>>
>> > Maybe you can explain this to me:
>>
>> In this case, it looks like the land is is worth 7oo,ooo.oo, some
>> dwelling or buiding is ONLY worth 8oo,ooo.oo
>
>korrecktion, building is only worth 100,000, I had said 800...
>
>means the building is junk

Numbers are everything in real estate - especially when you're trying
to make a salient point.

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I haven't read all the responses, but I am thinking "museum quality"

On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, sf wrote:

> Numbers are everything in real estate - especially when you're trying
> to make a salient point.

heal yee-ah, lol

Shoot! it's JUST numbers, wether 50,000 or 500,000

what's really bad, I haven't read any of this thread. just the little
part about bulldozing

you said salient... heh heh

<smiling>

"maxine in ri" > wrote

> On Feb 25, 12:04 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> Cut it in half and bury it. Won't displace much dirt that way. Probably
>> highly illegal. How about, cut it in half and use as giant planters.
>> Heh.

> Sure. Plant some kudzu in it. It might be the only thing other than
> goats that'll kill it!
>
> $800 isn't bad. My uncle's house in the Boston area had a tank buried
> in the yard, and it was $12-1500 to remove and dispose of that one.

I think what they do now is pump out the remaining fuel and fill it with
some sort of foam. I don't know if all places accept that in place
of removing the tank.

nancy

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:15:37 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
> > wrote:
>
>>3600 SF CBS home
>
> sorry, I have no idea what a SF CBS home is.
>
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Sorry my bad. I meant to say the house's living area is about 3600 square
feet and it's concrete block stucco construction (down here they just say
its "CBS"), but actually this house is not CBS, it's poured concrete wall.
Not important.

MiamiCuse wrote:

> LOL I did not post any other pics because this is a food related
> group so I wanted some advise on the kitchen equipment etc... and
> thought some might find this older stuff of some interest.
>
> It is not a trailer construction, but you are right, I am in FL. But
> let me state this, there is nothing wrong with being in the trailer.
>
> Here are some other pics that should show it is not in a trailer.
>
> A picture taken from the courtyard into the old kitchen:
>
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...d/P1000547.jpg
>
> another view of the central courtyard which is surrounded by all the
> rooms with an overhead screen.
>
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...d/P1000544.jpg
>
> a view of the kitchen and family room at night:
>
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...684_401_22.jpg
>
> Inside the family room, with a stone fireplace - OK I admit, I have
> no idea why someone needs a fireplace in Miami.
>
> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...684_501_22.jpg
>
> MC

Well I was born and raised in Florida most homes there are built of CBS
block with concrete headers. A lot stonger home than anything built in most
north eastern locations due to hurricanes and such. Florida also have very
stict building codes and has always had. That is hardly a trailer for sure
and probably a top dollar home in the Miami area but then again it is
probably a no where near what a house like would cost in NY or NJ. As for
the kitchen take out what doesn't work or you don't want and remodel it and
good luck with it.

I purchase a 4 bedroom, 2 bath house on 2 acre of land in the Kendal are in
1967 half finished for 30K which was a lot of money then. I finished it and
had a fire place similar to that as well as a pool and a 5 horse stable. I
sold it for twice what I paid in '70. I understand the house sold for well
over a million dollars just a couple of years ago with few changes.

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On Feb 25, 8:26�pm, "MiamiCuse" > wrote:
> <sf> wrote in messagenews:a1f3u293pnihd6d3cfhusef1logqujvuh8@4ax .com...
> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:15:37 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
> > > wrote:
>
> >>3600 SF CBS home
>
> > sorry, I have no idea what a SF CBS home is.
>
> > --
> > See return address to reply by email
>
> Sorry my bad. *I meant to say the house's living area is about 3600 square
> feet and it's concrete block stucco construction (down here they just say
> its "CBS"), but actually this house is not CBS, it's poured concrete wall.
> Not important.

Well, actually that's a very important difference... makes the house
three times more able to withstand hurricanes, but also makes for very
difficult renovations especially when plumbing and electrical
alterations are required.

On 25 Feb 2007 16:22:24 -0800, "Barry" > wrote:

>On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, sf wrote:
>
>> Numbers are everything in real estate - especially when you're trying
>> to make a salient point.
>
>heal yee-ah, lol
>
>Shoot! it's JUST numbers, wether 50,000 or 500,000
>
>what's really bad, I haven't read any of this thread. just the little
>part about bulldozing
>
>you said salient... heh heh
>
><smiling>
>
It all boils down to numbers and yes, sometimes I think you try to be
serious.



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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:26:05 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
> wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:15:37 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>3600 SF CBS home
>>
>> sorry, I have no idea what a SF CBS home is.
>>
>> --
>> See return address to reply by email
>
>Sorry my bad. I meant to say the house's living area is about 3600 square
>feet and it's concrete block stucco construction (down here they just say
>its "CBS"), but actually this house is not CBS, it's poured concrete wall.
>Not important.
>
Oh - oK, I understand... you have to do that in tropical (humid) areas
due to bugs and rot. So, what does SF mean - "Steel Frame"?


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Sheldon wrote:
>
> Well, actually that's a very important difference... makes the house
> three times more able to withstand hurricanes, but also makes for very
> difficult renovations especially when plumbing and electrical
> alterations are required.

Not really a problem for electrical, Sheldon. The exterior walls are 8"
thick CBS blocks and then they use wood strips anchored to the CBS then
insulation between the strips covered with dry wall. The electrical is in
between the CBS and dry wall inside conduit tubing inside all walls. Also
most interior walls are either wood stud (my guess based on the date built)
or metal studs with drywall also. Florida has never allowed aluminum wiring
in house construction so not much of a chance of that being the case. As for
plumbing well that is a different story since most below ground plumbing
will be in a slab of at least 8" thick in most cases. Odds are though it
won't be bad or need replacement since it will out last the building itself.
So if all you want to do is replace a toilet, sink and tub not a problem as
long as you don't want to move them or change the layout. For the most part
every thing is basically cosmetic as far as walls, out lets and such. Again
just my opinion since I haven't built a home since the last one I owned in
South Florida.

The main homes that had problems in S. Florida was the few hundred they
built in the early '90 out of wood like those blown away during Andrew at
Country Walk. Those where poorly built high end homes due to poor work. Most
homes built before 1990 and after Hurricane Andrew are built to a different
standard all together.

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sf wrote in :



Square feet

"Barry" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, sf wrote:
>
>> Numbers are everything in real estate - especially when you're trying
>> to make a salient point.
>
> heal yee-ah, lol
>
> Shoot! it's JUST numbers, wether 50,000 or 500,000
>
> what's really bad, I haven't read any of this thread. just the little
> part about bulldozing
>
> you said salient... heh heh
>
> <smiling>
>
>

You've got a little brillo between your teeth, Holier than Thou man.

On Feb 25, 9:33 pm, sf wrote:

> It all boils down to numbers and yes, sometimes I think you try to be
> serious.
>
>

Morning

Yes, you busted me.

I tried to put a contract on a 30 million dollar property...(an old
textile facility)... That was fun! I never thought I could pull it
off, but it was still fun. Maybe I thought I had a slim chance... why
else would I do something like that.

On Feb 26, 3:02 am, "cybercat" > wrote:

> > <smiling>
>
> You've got a littlebrillobetween your teeth, Holier than Thou man.
>
> - Hide quoted text -


nah, i shaved it and hit it with a hot worsh rag first

MiamiCuse > wrote:
> I recently purchased an old house built in 1972 and everything is original.
> I am starting to figure what I need to do to the kitchen and need some
> advice.

I would say, gut the kitchen and maybe try to sell some of the
funkier items on e-bay if you feel like it. There are some old
appliance collectors out there who might want the in-wall toaster
and hide-away blender base, maybe even that old entertainment
console. By the way, was that the original demo record on the
turntable? You know, they used to give demo records with new
systems like that, and I can just read "Promotional Recording"
or words to that effect in the picture. That record alone might
be worth a few bucks to a collector, or not. I never can tell
what is worthless trash vs. collectible kitsch myself. Anyway,
just some thoughts on what you may want to try.

Good luck.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Feb 25, 4:45 pm, "~xy~" > wrote:
> I haven't read all the responses, but I am thinking "museum quality"

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned donating all of that rusty
greasy crap to the Smithsonian. Why in the hell would anyone think
they could donate GARBAGE to a museum?

Just because something is old doesn't necessarily make it a museum
piece, heh.

"Joe Cilinceon" > wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Well, actually that's a very important difference... makes the house
>> three times more able to withstand hurricanes, but also makes for very
>> difficult renovations especially when plumbing and electrical
>> alterations are required.
>
> Not really a problem for electrical, Sheldon. The exterior walls are 8"
> thick CBS blocks and then they use wood strips anchored to the CBS then
> insulation between the strips covered with dry wall. The electrical is in
> between the CBS and dry wall inside conduit tubing inside all walls. Also
> most interior walls are either wood stud (my guess based on the date
> built) or metal studs with drywall also. Florida has never allowed
> aluminum wiring in house construction so not much of a chance of that
> being the case. As for plumbing well that is a different story since most
> below ground plumbing will be in a slab of at least 8" thick in most
> cases. Odds are though it won't be bad or need replacement since it will
> out last the building itself. So if all you want to do is replace a
> toilet, sink and tub not a problem as long as you don't want to move them
> or change the layout. For the most part every thing is basically cosmetic
> as far as walls, out lets and such. Again just my opinion since I haven't
> built a home since the last one I owned in South Florida.
>
> The main homes that had problems in S. Florida was the few hundred they
> built in the early '90 out of wood like those blown away during Andrew at
> Country Walk. Those where poorly built high end homes due to poor work.
> Most homes built before 1990 and after Hurricane Andrew are built to a
> different standard all together.
>
> --
>
> Joe Cilinceon
>
>
>

The exterior walls are not CBS, I mis-spoke, it was poured concrete wall. I
am not so worried about wirings, as everything seems to be housed in rigid
conduits so I can pull new wires easily.

The walls, well that is another story. They are not drywalls, they are
plastered walls. I don't know if they have asbetoes.

On Feb 27, 1:54�am, "MiamiCuse" > wrote:
> "Joe Cilinceon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> Well, actually that's a very important difference... makes the house
> >> three times more able to withstand hurricanes, but also makes for very
> >> difficult renovations especially when *plumbing and electrical
> >> alterations are required.
>
> > Not really a problem for electrical, Sheldon. The exterior walls are 8"
> > thick CBS blocks and then they use wood strips anchored to the CBS then
> > insulation between the strips covered with dry wall. The electrical is in
> > between the CBS and dry wall inside conduit tubing inside all walls. Also
> > most interior walls are either wood stud (my guess based on the date
> > built) or metal studs with drywall also.


You know no more about what exists there than anyone else reading this
thread, you haven't seen it, so stop guessing.


> The exterior walls are not CBS, I mis-spoke, it was poured concrete wall. *I
> am not so worried about wirings, as everything seems to be housed in rigid
> conduits so I can pull new wires easily.

Chances are you don't need replacement wiring, I was thinking more
about new placement of wiring for a remodel, especially a kitchen...
and I'll assume you have no basement, and from the looks of that
structure no attic either... just relocating an electrical receptical
can require major jackhammer work... and I don't even want to think
about relotaing plumbing.
>
> The walls, well that is another story. *They are not drywalls, they are
> plastered walls. *I don't know if they have asbetoes

Plaster and stucco rarely contains asbestos (although it's possible),
but certain floor and wall coverings from that period well may... also
roofing, and AC ductwork insulation.

Actually without knowing your pocketbook, what you have invested, and
many other financial criteria no one can offer more than wild
speculation... ultimately only you can decide what to do... and there
do exist modern hi-tech versions of all those kitchen appliances and
gadgetry, replacement all a matter of dollars, many dollars. I don't
envy you, rehabing a contemporary house of that nature is a very
expensive undertaking at best... and odds are very little will be cut
and dry and go smoothly... that is not your typical off the shelf Home
Depot project... be prepared to spend a lot of dollars. You had
better really, really love that house.


Sheldon

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:54:40 -0500, "MiamiCuse"
> wrote:

>The walls, well that is another story. They are not drywalls, they are
>plastered walls. I don't know if they have asbetoes.

I don't think asbestos was used in 1972, but I could be wrong. Best
to get some professional advice about that. They don't wear astronaut
suits for no reason when they're doing asbestos removal.

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the back
> yard. Today I had someone here to give me an estimate to remove and dispose
> of the oil tank and he quoted me $800 because it's hazardous waste disposal.
> Ouch...the guys said if you dont want to pay for it, then cut it in half and
> make it into an open BBQ pit.
>
> Anyone wants a giant oil tank? You can have it.
>

If you're doing a kitchen remodel, $800 is nothing. If you're not
going to go with propane, pay the dude and get rid of it before it
rusts and leaks hazardous material into the ground.

As to asbestos - my house was built in 1969 (Iowa) and my inlaid-
lineoleum kitchen floor has asbestos in it. Any 9-inch square lino
tiles have asbestos in them, but 12-inch ones don't. I don't know if
Florida materials were the same or not. I had a new floor laid over
the old one (no separations, no bubbles, seam didn't even show) in my
kitchen, but had the foyer tiles (12") removed before laying a new
floor.

If you don't disturb the linoleum and just lay a new floor over it, it
shouldn't be a problem. You can only do this if there isn't any
separation of the floor surface from the subfloor. Trouble comes (and
the asbestos removal crews) when you try to strip it and/or make lots
of dust.

N.

Steve Wertz SQUIRTED:

> On 25 Feb 2007 05:33:23 -0800, Sheldon wrote:
>
> > On Feb 24, 10:44?pm, "MiamiCuse" > wrote:
> >> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> oups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> "cybercat" wrote:
> >>>> "MiamiCuse" wrote
> >>
> >>>> >I recently purchased an old house built in 1972 and everything is
> >>>> >original.
> >>>> > I am starting to figure what I need to do to the kitchen and need
some
> >>>> > advice.
> >>
> >>>> > Let me take you on a tour.
> >>
> >>>> All fascinating. This stuff had to be top of the line 30 years ago! I
> >>>> have
> >>>> no advice, but am still marveling at the "in wall" toaster. I want to
see
> >>>> the rest of the house!
> >>
> >>>>From those tight shot pics I don't think the OP wanted anyone to see
> >>> much of that house because from the poster's addy it's obviously in
> >>> FL, and to me that thing sure smells of doublewide... it's definitely
> >>> trailer trash construction.
> >>
> >>> Sheldon
> >>
> >> LOL I did not post any other pics because this is a food related group
so I
> >> wanted some advise on the kitchen equipment etc... and thought some
might
> >> find this older stuff of some interest.
> >>
> >> It is not a trailer construction, but you are right, I am in FL. But
let me
> >> state this, there is nothing wrong with being in the trailer.
> >>
> >> Here are some other pics that should show it is not in a trailer.
> >>
> >> A picture taken from the courtyard into the old kitchen:
> >>
> >> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...d/P1000547.jpg
> >>
> >> another view of the central courtyard which is surrounded by all the
rooms
> >> with an overhead screen.
> >>
> >> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...d/P1000544.jpg
> >>
> >> a view of the kitchen and family room at night:
> >>
> >>
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...rd/M994684_401...
> >>
> >> Inside the family room, with a stone fireplace - OK I admit, I have no
idea
> >> why someone needs a fireplace in Miami.
> >>
> >>
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...20room/M994684...
> >
> > I think you need to see an Optimologist, your concept of wide angle
> > view is pathetic...
>
> Heh. This is Sheldon's way of apologizing when it's shown that he
> was completely out of line.


Judging from your natterings in this thread so far, I'd hardly ajudge you in
the Ada Louis Huxtable class, Squirtz...

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"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 24, 9:04?am, jay > wrote:

>> Interesting. I would tear it all out and start over. I don't see anything
>> that I would keep at all .. nothing. The sub zero is garbage.

>Agreed... for a house built in 1972 (that's not old at all)it's
trashed. My houe was built in 1955 and is all original and >in pristine
condition. Someone really abused your house terribly. It's trashed,
>it's all garbage, in fact it was all garbage when new. I can tell
>from the general construction that house is a total piece of shit,
cheapest doors, mouldings, floor coverings, counters, the >basic house
was done the cheapest way possible... but someone obviously had a
>connection to somebody who sold all those stupid appliances (that can
>opener is a doozy), because more money was spent on those gadgety
>thingies than all the rest of the house itself.


Lol...that can opener is GROSS, that particular pic would do justice to a VD
textbook (the caption to the picture reads, "This is what happened when
CYBERCAT did not get her "pussy" disease cured at her local prophylactic
station, this is now a TERTIARY case of pernicious VD")...GAWD...!!!

Everything in those pics looks as if touched by pellagra (it's the South, no
surprise)...looks like Palmetto Bug Paradise.

That built in "stereo" is Zippy the Pinhead stuff by even . c. 1972
standards. The brand is "NuTone", never heard of it (or maybe they were a
manufacturer of door chimes who decided to "branch out"...???). That record
player is of the very cheapest manufacture, akin to what I had in my very
first kiddie Magnavox suitcase record player c. 1964. I notice a headphone
jack, now who would stand in front of a wall - mounted kitchen sound system
wearing a pair of headphones (SQUIRTZ perhaps...). At that time you could
get quality built - in home sound systems, this most certainly is *not*
one...

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:50:34 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>The brand is "NuTone", never heard of it (or maybe they were a
>manufacturer of door chimes who decided to "branch out"...???).

NuTone makes excellent central vac systems. And lots of other things.
Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it wasn't state of
the art back then.

http://www.nutone.com/

Keep it my friend. You have a retro-kitchen. I would restore it and
entertain with it. These things are in style now. The eight track player
can go on ebay. There are people looking for older retro items. These
things bring back memories for alot of people.

Keep it, and enjoy it. It will save you alot of money from NOT re-doing
you kitchen.


charles



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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:38:35 GMT, Steve Wertz
> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:08:31 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> Judging from your natterings in this thread so far, I'd hardly ajudge you in
>> the Ada Louis Huxtable class, Squirtz...
>
>As sheldon's poodle, that's all you do is "natter" in this group.
>I can't think of more useless person who takes up more space than
>yourself here. Well, except for Sheldon himself.
>

LOLOL! Sheldon's "poodle"? Why did you say that? He's not a
groupie.... but I am. Sheldon was the first poster I had a two way
conversation with here on rfc - way back in the dark ages.... when he
was just known as "penmart".


<huggles to sheldon>

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:38:35 GMT, Steve Wertz
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:08:31 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>> Judging from your natterings in this thread so far, I'd hardly ajudge
>>> you in
>>> the Ada Louis Huxtable class, Squirtz...
>>
>>As sheldon's poodle, that's all you do is "natter" in this group.
>>I can't think of more useless person who takes up more space than
>>yourself here. Well, except for Sheldon himself.
>>
>
> LOLOL! Sheldon's "poodle"? Why did you say that? He's not a
> groupie.... but I am. Sheldon was the first poster I had a two way
> conversation with here on rfc - way back in the dark ages.... when he
> was just known as "penmart".
>
>
> <huggles to sheldon>

eeyuuuuuuuu!!

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:16:16 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:38:35 GMT, Steve Wertz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:08:31 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>
>>>> Judging from your natterings in this thread so far, I'd hardly ajudge
>>>> you in
>>>> the Ada Louis Huxtable class, Squirtz...
>>>
>>>As sheldon's poodle, that's all you do is "natter" in this group.
>>>I can't think of more useless person who takes up more space than
>>>yourself here. Well, except for Sheldon himself.
>>>
>>
>> LOLOL! Sheldon's "poodle"? Why did you say that? He's not a
>> groupie.... but I am. Sheldon was the first poster I had a two way
>> conversation with here on rfc - way back in the dark ages.... when he
>> was just known as "penmart".
>>
>>
>> <huggles to sheldon>
>
>eeyuuuuuuuu!!
>
We're just like a real life dysfunctional family, except he's one of
the cabal and I'm not.

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One time on Usenet, said:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:16:16 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><sf> wrote in message ...
> >> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:38:35 GMT, Steve Wertz
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:08:31 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Judging from your natterings in this thread so far, I'd hardly ajudge
> >>>> you in
> >>>> the Ada Louis Huxtable class, Squirtz...
> >>>
> >>>As sheldon's poodle, that's all you do is "natter" in this group.
> >>>I can't think of more useless person who takes up more space than
> >>>yourself here. Well, except for Sheldon himself.
> >>>
> >>
> >> LOLOL! Sheldon's "poodle"? Why did you say that? He's not a
> >> groupie.... but I am. Sheldon was the first poster I had a two way
> >> conversation with here on rfc - way back in the dark ages.... when he
> >> was just known as "penmart".
> >>
> >>
> >> <huggles to sheldon>
> >
> >eeyuuuuuuuu!!
> >
> We're just like a real life dysfunctional family, except he's one of
> the cabal and I'm not.

TINC <tm>...

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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:17:46 GMT, unge (Little
Malice) wrote:

>One time on Usenet, said:
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:16:16 -0500, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <huggles to sheldon>
>> >
>> >eeyuuuuuuuu!!
>> >
>> We're just like a real life dysfunctional family, except he's one of
>> the cabal and I'm not.
>
>TINC <tm>...

ooops, I spilled the beans again.

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One time on Usenet, said:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:17:46 GMT, unge (Little
> Malice) wrote:
>
> >One time on Usenet, said:
> >> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:16:16 -0500, "cybercat" >
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> <huggles to sheldon>
> >> >
> >> >eeyuuuuuuuu!!
> >> >
> >> We're just like a real life dysfunctional family, except he's one of
> >> the cabal and I'm not.
> >
> >TINC <tm>...
>
> ooops, I spilled the beans again.

What kind of beans? How did you cook them? ;-)

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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:07:09 GMT, unge (Little
Malice) wrote:

>One time on Usenet, said:
>> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:17:46 GMT, unge (Little
>> Malice) wrote:
>> >
>> >TINC <tm>...
>>
>> ooops, I spilled the beans again.
>
>What kind of beans? How did you cook them? ;-)

Hmmmm. Well, I'm looking at Justin Wilson's "Homegrown Louisiana
Cookin" right now and his red bean gumbo is jumping out at me. Are
you going to participate in the gumbo cook-along today?

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TROLL

One time on Usenet, said:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:07:09 GMT, unge (Little
> Malice) wrote:
>
> >One time on Usenet, said:
> >> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:17:46 GMT, unge (Little
> >> Malice) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >TINC <tm>...
> >>
> >> ooops, I spilled the beans again.
> >
> >What kind of beans? How did you cook them? ;-)
>
> Hmmmm. Well, I'm looking at Justin Wilson's "Homegrown Louisiana
> Cookin" right now and his red bean gumbo is jumping out at me. Are
> you going to participate in the gumbo cook-along today?

No -- I've never had gumbo before, so I wasn't sure it was something
I'd like to make. Maybe in the future. Now if we have a pot roast
cook-along, I'm your gal... ;-)

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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 02:33:17 GMT, unge (Little
Malice) wrote:

>One time on Usenet, said:
>> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:07:09 GMT, unge (Little
>> Malice) wrote:
>>
>> >One time on Usenet, said:
>> >> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:17:46 GMT, unge (Little
>> >> Malice) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >TINC <tm>...
>> >>
>> >> ooops, I spilled the beans again.
>> >
>> >What kind of beans? How did you cook them? ;-)
>>
>> Hmmmm. Well, I'm looking at Justin Wilson's "Homegrown Louisiana
>> Cookin" right now and his red bean gumbo is jumping out at me. Are
>> you going to participate in the gumbo cook-along today?
>
>No -- I've never had gumbo before, so I wasn't sure it was something
>I'd like to make. Maybe in the future. Now if we have a pot roast
>cook-along, I'm your gal... ;-)


Oh, that sounds like a good possibility! We're looking for more cook
along ideas.

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