....is everything getting sweeter?

I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site, and the
Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna salad with
Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically sweet, and seems
to have lost the tang, or at least some of it. I've also noticed this in other foods,
foods that aren't meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high fructose
corn syrup that's the main problem....but my question is why mess with a working
product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The same with Campbell's
Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food by changing the recipe and adding
that disgusting sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?


Luckily for me, I can't eat most of these foods much anymore anyway.

Sorry to rant so...I've been sick so long all I can think of is food today!

kimberly

"Nexis" > wrote in message
...
> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
> and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad
> and tuna salad with Miracle Whip.

This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big in the
South, whose name I forget. :-) I don't see that many Miracle Whip
commercials, but the ones I remember always had happy children in them.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:59:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big in the
>South, whose name I forget. :-) I don't see that many Miracle Whip
>commercials, but the ones I remember always had happy children in them.

I still use Miracle Whip over Mayo. There's just too many calories in
mayo. But, today's Miracle Whip sure doesn't taste like it used to. :/

--
Zilbandy

"Zilbandy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:59:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>>This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big in the
>>South, whose name I forget. :-) I don't see that many Miracle Whip
>>commercials, but the ones I remember always had happy children in them.
>
> I still use Miracle Whip over Mayo. There's just too many calories in
> mayo. But, today's Miracle Whip sure doesn't taste like it used to. :/
>
> --
> Zilbandy

There are two "diet varieties" from Hellmann's. They both taste fine, and
definitely NOT sweet.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big
> in the South, whose name I forget. :-)

I'd like to compare the Hellmann's you get there, and the Kraft also, with
the ones we get here in Europe. Or, at least, in Italy. Just guessing if
there's some difference.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

"Vilco" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big
>> in the South, whose name I forget. :-)
>
> I'd like to compare the Hellmann's you get there, and the Kraft also, with
> the ones we get here in Europe. Or, at least, in Italy. Just guessing if
> there's some difference.
> --
> Vilco
> Think pink, drink rose'


Probably. Most food products vary based on regional tastes, or the intended
market segment.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

>> I'd like to compare the Hellmann's you get there, and the Kraft
>> also, with the ones we get here in Europe. Or, at least, in Italy.
>> Just guessing if there's some difference.

> Probably. Most food products vary based on regional tastes, or the
> intended market segment.

Exactly that. Which one will be the sweetest? And the sourest?
Who knows.
Anna! When you leave Innsbruck, why not bring with you some of those
single-dose mayo envelopes they have in fast-foods, to compare them to the
mayo in Canada: it could be interesting
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

On Feb 27, 12:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Nexis" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> > I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
> > and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad
> > and tuna salad with Miracle Whip.
>
> This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big in the
> South, whose name I forget. :-) I don't see that many Miracle Whip
> commercials, but the ones I remember always had happy children in them.

Me too. I grew up using Hellman's/Best Foods, and Miracle Whip has
NEVER tasted right to me. Whatever mayo should be, it definitely
shouldn't taste sweet.

Melissa

"Shiral" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 27, 12:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Nexis" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > ...is everything getting sweeter?
>>
>> > I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
>> > and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad
>> > and tuna salad with Miracle Whip.
>>
>> This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big in
>> the
>> South, whose name I forget. :-) I don't see that many Miracle Whip
>> commercials, but the ones I remember always had happy children in them.
>
> Me too. I grew up using Hellman's/Best Foods, and Miracle Whip has
> NEVER tasted right to me. Whatever mayo should be, it definitely
> shouldn't taste sweet.
>
> Melissa
>

This morning, I clipped the coupons from last Sunday's paper. The Miracle
Whip ad contained the usual human subjects: Children and a package of
bologna. It always has children. That's not random. The stuff is sweet
because it's meant for children, and parents too lazy to take 18 seconds to
tell their kids that one food's better for them than another.

On 3 Mar 2007 12:29:55 -0800, "Shiral" > wrote:

>On Feb 27, 12:59 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Nexis" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > ...is everything getting sweeter?
>>
>> > I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
>> > and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad
>> > and tuna salad with Miracle Whip.
>>
>> This is why adults use Hellmann's mayo, or another brand that's big in the
>> South, whose name I forget. :-) I don't see that many Miracle Whip
>> commercials, but the ones I remember always had happy children in them.
>
>Me too. I grew up using Hellman's/Best Foods, and Miracle Whip has
>NEVER tasted right to me. Whatever mayo should be, it definitely
>shouldn't taste sweet.

I was visiting relatives in Montana the first time I, unwittingly, ate
Miracle Whip. My cousin prepared a sandwich for me, well for all of
us (this was a kind of "wagon train" adventure my cousin cooked up).
I bit into it --- BLECH! What'd you do, put sugar and salt in this?
Yuck.

TammyM, Gumbo Goddess

Nexis wrote on Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:57:13 -0800:

N> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on
N> the rfc site, and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking.
N> I used to love egg salad and tuna salad with Miracle Whip.
N> Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically
N> sweet, and seems to have lost the tang, or at least some of
N> it. I've also noticed this in other foods, foods that aren't
N> meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high
N> fructose corn syrup that's the main problem....but my
N> question is why mess with a working product? Miracle Whip
N> had it's fans already...why change it? The same with
N> Campbell's Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort
N> food by changing the recipe and adding that disgusting
N> sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?

I've never liked Miracle Whip so I can't comment on a possible
taste change but regular Kraft Mayonnaise will certainly work in
egg and tuna salad. If your diet is restricted, non-fat Kraft
Mayonnaise is not bad at all.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

Nexis wrote:
> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc
> site, and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love
> egg salad and tuna salad with Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't
> taste the same. It's terrifically sweet, and seems to have lost the
> tang, or at least some of it. I've also noticed this in other foods,
> foods that aren't meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of
> high fructose corn syrup that's the main problem....but my question
> is why mess with a working product? Miracle Whip had it's fans
> already...why change it? The same with Campbell's Tomato Soup. Why
> ruin a perfectly good comfort food by changing the recipe and adding
> that disgusting sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?
>
>
> Luckily for me, I can't eat most of these foods much anymore anyway.
>
> Sorry to rant so...I've been sick so long all I can think of is food
> today!
>
> kimberly

Personally, I think many food companies are adding sweeteners as well. It
may add fluff to the product, and it appeals to the younger generations.
Basically, I also am under the opinion that recipes have changed to make
them cheaper for the seller. In other words, public clammoring for cheaper
food has resulted in cheaper ingredients. (I blame Wal-Mart, partially.)

kili

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:21:43 -0500, "kilikini"
> wrote:

> In other words, public clammoring for cheaper
>food has resulted in cheaper ingredients. (I blame Wal-Mart, partially.)

Do you shop there?

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:21:43 -0500, "kilikini"
> > wrote:
>
>> In other words, public clammoring for cheaper
>> food has resulted in cheaper ingredients. (I blame Wal-Mart,
>> partially.)
>
> Do you shop there?
>
> Lou

I try not to, Lou. Some things, like contact lenses, perscriptions and
vitamins are just so much cheaper, though. We try to avoid Wal-Mart as much
as humanly possible.

kili

kilikini wrote:
> Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:21:43 -0500, "kilikini"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In other words, public clammoring for cheaper
>>> food has resulted in cheaper ingredients. (I blame Wal-Mart,
>>> partially.)
>> Do you shop there?
>>
>> Lou
>
> I try not to, Lou. Some things, like contact lenses, perscriptions and
> vitamins are just so much cheaper, though. We try to avoid Wal-Mart as much
> as humanly possible.

It's humanly possible to avoid it entirely. We do it, and we don't
make much money.

That said, it does frustrate me that places like Wal-mart have made
it difficult for people to feel able to avoid them. I know plenty
of good, compassionate people who shop there *knowing* that they're
supporting a lower quality of life for the employees, and a
lessening in the general quality of store-bought goods. I feel for
the dilemma people are put in, I truly do, while at the same time I
try to gently point out that there are other options. I have yet to
spend a single dime at Wal-mart or Starbucks, and I will cry if the
day ever comes that they're my only option.

Serene

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:51:49 -0800, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:


>
I feel for
>the dilemma people are put in, I truly do, while at the same time I
>try to gently point out that there are other options. I have yet to
>spend a single dime at Wal-mart or Starbucks, and I will cry if the
>day ever comes that they're my only option.
>
>Serene

I see that here too, Serene. I have some good friends that do a lot
of their food shopping at either Costco, or Walmart...

I see the quality of food at places like Walmart, and I just shake my
head. I remind my friends that they can get some better quality, and
cheaper stuff at some other places around town...and they just sort of
look at me...and go on getting their produce, meats, etc from Walmart.
It doesn't seem to matter to them....

Christine

"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
> Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:21:43 -0500, "kilikini"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In other words, public clammoring for cheaper
>>> food has resulted in cheaper ingredients. (I blame Wal-Mart,
>>> partially.)
>>
>> Do you shop there?
>>
>> Lou
>
> I try not to, Lou. Some things, like contact lenses, perscriptions and
> vitamins are just so much cheaper, though. We try to avoid Wal-Mart as
> much
> as humanly possible.
>
> kili
>
>

Hypnosis can be embarrassing, inconvenient or dangerous if you haven't
chosen to be hypnotized. WM practices a unique form of hypnosis. First, they
convince people that everything's cheaper there. Second, they convince
people that cheaper things are equal. Eyeglass prescriptions are a good
example. For simple prescriptions, they may do a decent job. But, for some
complex ones, WM falls down completely. I'm nearsighted with pretty severe
astigmatism. My opthalmologist said "Try WM if you want, but be prepared to
waste your time, and end up back at your regular optician." WM produced
bifocals that were so messed up, it was like looking through a fisheye
camera lens. It was actually dangerous to drive with the lenses they made,
because of distorted peripheral vision. The moron I complained to said "Well
duh we filled the prescription as it's written". Wrong. Went back to the
usual optician, spent $300.00, got perfect lenses, as usual.

There are people who are afraid to question "professionals", and figure "How
could a big company like WM be so phuqued up?" They might try and live with
glasses like that, and end up killing themselves.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "kilikini" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:21:43 -0500, "kilikini"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In other words, public clammoring for cheaper
>>>> food has resulted in cheaper ingredients. (I blame Wal-Mart,
>>>> partially.)
>>>
>>> Do you shop there?
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> I try not to, Lou. Some things, like contact lenses, perscriptions
>> and vitamins are just so much cheaper, though. We try to avoid
>> Wal-Mart as much
>> as humanly possible.
>>
>> kili
>>
>>
>
> Hypnosis can be embarrassing, inconvenient or dangerous if you haven't
> chosen to be hypnotized. WM practices a unique form of hypnosis.
> First, they convince people that everything's cheaper there. Second,
> they convince people that cheaper things are equal. Eyeglass
> prescriptions are a good example. For simple prescriptions, they may
> do a decent job. But, for some complex ones, WM falls down
> completely. I'm nearsighted with pretty severe astigmatism. My
> opthalmologist said "Try WM if you want, but be prepared to waste
> your time, and end up back at your regular optician." WM produced
> bifocals that were so messed up, it was like looking through a
> fisheye camera lens. It was actually dangerous to drive with the
> lenses they made, because of distorted peripheral vision. The moron I
> complained to said "Well duh we filled the prescription as it's
> written". Wrong. Went back to the usual optician, spent $300.00, got
> perfect lenses, as usual.
>
> There are people who are afraid to question "professionals", and
> figure "How could a big company like WM be so phuqued up?" They might
> try and live with glasses like that, and end up killing themselves.

Luckily, I got some of the best contacts I ever had at Wal-Mart. $50 a
piece and only $100 office visit. I had no insurance at the time and was
skeptical because it WAS Wal-Mart, but 2.5 years later, I'm still wearing
the same pair and I like them. I was really, really, really surprised.

kili

On Feb 27, 2:57 pm, "Nexis" > wrote:
> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site, and the
> Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna salad with
> Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically sweet, and seems
> to have lost the tang, or at least some of it.

Miracle Whip is a lot sweeter than it used to be. Disgustingly
sweet.

Kraft mayonnaise is gross, too. As a matter of fact, pretty much
everything Kraft makes is horrible.

"PVC" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Feb 27, 2:57 pm, "Nexis" > wrote:
>> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>>
>> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
>> and the
>> Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna
>> salad with
>> Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically
>> sweet, and seems
>> to have lost the tang, or at least some of it.
>
> Miracle Whip is a lot sweeter than it used to be. Disgustingly
> sweet.
>
> Kraft mayonnaise is gross, too. As a matter of fact, pretty much
> everything Kraft makes is horrible.
>

What? You don't like the boxed mac & cheese slop? :-)

On Feb 27, 3:28 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> What? You don't like the boxed mac & cheese slop? :-)

You are correct, Sir!

In article . com>,
"PVC" > wrote:

> On Feb 27, 2:57 pm, "Nexis" > wrote:
> > ...is everything getting sweeter?
> >
> > I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site, and
> > the
> > Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna
> > salad with
> > Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically sweet,
> > and seems
> > to have lost the tang, or at least some of it.
>
> Miracle Whip is a lot sweeter than it used to be. Disgustingly
> sweet.
>
> Kraft mayonnaise is gross, too. As a matter of fact, pretty much
> everything Kraft makes is horrible.

I concur... with the single exception of their "regular" BBQ sauce.

But that's the _only_ exception I can think of.
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On Feb 27, 3:57?pm, "Nexis" > wrote:
> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site, and the
> Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna salad with
> Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically sweet, and seems
> to have lost the tang, or at least some of it. I've also noticed this in other foods,
> foods that aren't meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high fructose
> corn syrup that's the main problem....but my question is why mess with a working
> product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The same with Campbell's
> Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food by changing the recipe and adding
> that disgusting sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?
>
> Luckily for me, I can't eat most of these foods much anymore anyway.
>
> Sorry to rant so...I've been sick so long all I can think of is food today!



The power of suggestion is a very potent influence... hearing others
rant often and loud enough about some issue can make you also a
believer... that's how people develop new aversions, that's how
religions are born.

Sheldon

Nexis said...

> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
> and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad
> and tuna salad with Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same.
> It's terrifically sweet, and seems to have lost the tang, or at least
> some of it. I've also noticed this in other foods, foods that aren't
> meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high fructose corn
> syrup that's the main problem....but my question is why mess with a
> working product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The
> same with Campbell's Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food
> by changing the recipe and adding that disgusting sweetener that
> obliterates all other flavors?
>
>
> Luckily for me, I can't eat most of these foods much anymore anyway.
>
> Sorry to rant so...I've been sick so long all I can think of is food
> today!
>
> kimberly


kimberly,

Interesting that the USDA food nutrient database doesn't list the original
Miracle Whip!

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom..._search_new.pl

Check either the Light or Free product checkbox for info.

When I need to reduce I switch to the Miracle Whip-Free from real mayo.
That comes as more of a shock than the sweetness you describe.

You can tang up a tablespoon with a dot of mustard, wasabi powder, etc.

Andy

Nexis wrote:
> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site,
> and the Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad
> and tuna salad with Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same.
> It's terrifically sweet, and seems to have lost the tang, or at least
> some of it. I've also noticed this in other foods, foods that aren't
> meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high fructose corn
> syrup that's the main problem....but my question is why mess with a
> working product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The
> same with Campbell's Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food
> by changing the recipe and adding that disgusting sweetener that
> obliterates all other flavors?
>
>
> Luckily for me, I can't eat most of these foods much anymore anyway.
>
> Sorry to rant so...I've been sick so long all I can think of is food today!
>
> kimberly

Manufacturers are under tremendous pressure to meet the price point of
big box stores so often reformulation/use of cheaper ingredients is the
only choice they have.

In article >,
lid says...
> Manufacturers are under tremendous pressure to meet the price point of
> big box stores so often reformulation/use of cheaper ingredients is the
> only choice they have.
>

I think that there is also pressure to meet the tastes of the masses,
which tend toward sweet everything. I was horrified to read the
ingredients label on a bottle of salad dressing: first ingredient water,
second ingredient corn syrup. And, at many chain restaurants, everything
is sweet.

--
Peter Aitken

Nexis wrote:
> ...is everything getting sweeter?

Yes, and saltier.

>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site, and the
> Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna salad with
> Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically sweet, and seems
> to have lost the tang, or at least some of it.

Try the Miracle Whip Light (NOT the fat free - it's vile!) The Light
tastes much better, IMO.

> I've also noticed this in other foods,
> foods that aren't meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high fructose
> corn syrup that's the main problem....but my question is why mess with a working
> product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The same with Campbell's
> Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food by changing the recipe and adding
> that disgusting sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?

I don't understand the mass-marketed palate at all. That's why I
mainly cook from scratch, almost everything we eat.

-L.

In article >,
"Nexis" > wrote:

> ...is everything getting sweeter?
>
> I was reading the posts about the food dislikes survey on the rfc site, and
> the
> Miracle Whip posts got me to thinking. I used to love egg salad and tuna
> salad with
> Miracle Whip. Now, it just doesn't taste the same. It's terrifically sweet,
> and seems
> to have lost the tang, or at least some of it. I've also noticed this in
> other foods,
> foods that aren't meant to be sweet. I believe it's the prevalence of high
> fructose
> corn syrup that's the main problem....but my question is why mess with a
> working
> product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The same with
> Campbell's
> Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food by changing the recipe
> and adding
> that disgusting sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?
>
>
> Luckily for me, I can't eat most of these foods much anymore anyway.
>
> Sorry to rant so...I've been sick so long all I can think of is food today!
>
> kimberly

There are a lot of products that they add that crap too, or even
unecessary sugar. Kraft is especially guilty of that. I can't stand any
of their salad dressings any more. I've gone more and more to making my
own.

Hellman's mayo is still good (especially the lime based stuff) but if I
have to, I can make that too.

For creamy salad dressings, I'm using fat free sour cream as a base.
I'm going to experiment making a creamy italian. Even the fat free
Italian dressings are getting to be too sweet and too high in sugar
content.
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"Omelet" > wrote
> Hellman's mayo is still good (especially the lime based stuff)

This is the only mayo I use. But lime-based??

In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote
> > Hellman's mayo is still good (especially the lime based stuff)
>
> This is the only mayo I use. But lime-based??

Yes. Hellman's "Mayonesa".

Scroll down:

http://www.mayo.com/products_mayo.asp#withlime
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In article >,
"Nexis" > wrote:

> but my question is why mess with a working
> product? Miracle Whip had it's fans already...why change it? The same with Campbell's
> Tomato Soup. Why ruin a perfectly good comfort food by changing the recipe
> and adding that disgusting sweetener that obliterates all other flavors?

I don't eat Miracle Whip, but I was bitching to my wife this week that
Campbell's Tomato Soup doesn't taste like it used to. I used to make
poor man's bisque by using milk instead of water. I've seldom made it
for the last several years while expecting the taste of my youth each
time. But it could substitute as a base for Cheerios. I thought it was
just me. It seems there is a cloying sweetness in many canned tomato
products nowadays.

leo

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