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I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner
tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? ~john |
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On Feb 28, 6:04 pm, "levelwave" > wrote:
> boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > ~john some people store their opened ketchup in the cupboard some restaurants leave ketchup on the table all day I guess it's ok... open the lid and see what it smells like if it smells "funny" don't chance it. it's not "if" the sauce goes bad.. it probably won't, but the sauce could be a host for other goims. Like Dick, I mean Peter says... something might have drifted over in it...that might leave you on the toilet all night cramping. |
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levelwave wrote:
> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > ~john I've done that at least 100 times and it's been fine. kili |
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On Feb 28, 3:04 pm, "levelwave" > wrote:
> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > ~john Was there any meat in it? That could have a different result as oppossed to a Marinara |
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On Feb 28, 6:28 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
> I've done that at least 100 times and it's been fine. > > kili I think it becomes more acidic in times like those, the sauce I mean |
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On Feb 28, 6:04?pm, "levelwave" > wrote:
> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? Oh, just reheat, it'll be even better then had you ate it right away. Sheldon |
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On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" >
wrote: >I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner >tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on >the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 >hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... >I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I >boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? If it was a meatfree sauce it should be fine. Tomato's very acidic and acid helps to retard germ growth - there's a reason why you don't need to refrigerate vinegar! But if it was a bolegnaise I'd say all bets are off... |
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On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" >
wrote: >. If I >boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? Would you boil a bottle of ketchup if you left it out overnight? The acidity of tomatoes will be a preservative. |
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On Feb 28, 7:50?pm, Karen AKA Kajikit > wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" > > wrote: > > >I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > >tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > >the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > >hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > >I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > >boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > If it was a meatfree sauce it should be fine. Tomato's very acidic and > acid helps to retard germ growth - there's a reason why you don't need > to refrigerate vinegar! But if it was a bolegnaise I'd say all bets > are off... Nah... were it simmered a good long time and no one lifted the lid it will be safer than were the lid lifted, stired about to serve, poured into another container, and then refrigerated after maybe an hour or two. Next morning my bet is on the pot left undisturbed on the stove. And to be really super safe for yoose paranoidals if you're not going to use it right away then freeze it immediately... or if it's for that evening's dinner reheat to a simmer and place the undisturbed pot directly into the fridge to await another evening reheat. With today's modern fridges there's no harm whatsover in placing a hot pot in... only advice is if you have glass shelves is to place the pot on a trivet to allow better air circulation. The inclusion of meat makes the sauce no less safe... left undisturbed it's as safe for 24 hours as if it were canned. Sheldon |
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levelwave wrote:
> > I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? If it had no meat in it, no problem. If it had meat in it, then you need to work out the value equation: value of sauce > probability of killing you x value of your life Let's say the sauce is worth $10, the probability of it killing you is 1%, and the value of your life is $100,000. $10 > 0.01 x $100,000 $10 > $1000 Whoa! That's not right! It's off by a a factor of 100. Even if we reduce the risk to 0.1% and devalue your life to $20,000, eating the sauce does not satisfy the value equation. |
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Ward Abbott wrote:
> "levelwave" wrote: > > > If I boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > Would you boil a bottle of ketchup if you left it out overnight? The acidity of tomatoes will be a preservative. * C'mon, it ain't the same thing... ketchup is a condiment that's at least 10 times more acerbic (and far saltier, and drier) than typical pasta sauce, ketchup is essentially preserved tomatoes... but now we know how you sauce your ****ghetiOs. Sheldon |
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Peter A wrote:
> > Complete claptrap. What part of "sterile" do you not understand? It's not sterile. As the pot cooled, the contraction of the air inside the pot would have drawn in unsterilized room air containing bacterial spores. I used to prepare Petri dishes in my kitchen using a pressure cooker, and I know how difficult it is to prevent contamination. One of the lessons I had to learn was to prevent unsterilized air from entering the Petri dishes while they were cooling. |
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Mark Thorazine wrote:
> Peter A wrote: > > > Complete claptrap. What part of "sterile" do you not understand? > > It's not sterile. *As the pot cooled, the contraction > of the air inside the pot would have drawn in > unsterilized room air containing bacterial spores. Boiling at average atmospheric pressure (~212deg. F.) does not sterilize anyway, but certainly reduces bacteria enough to make sauce food safe for at least 24 hours, probably a lot longer... undisturbed the sauce in question will be fine for two days... nothing, absolutely nothing we eat is sterile. What's truly sterile around here is Thorazine's pea brain. Sheldon |
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In article .com>,
"levelwave" > wrote: > I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > ~john It's acidic enough, I would not worry about it... -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Peter A > wrote:
> Perfectly fine. When you cooked it, any bacteria in it were killed. > Being covered all night, no nasties that may have been floating around > could have gotten in. > > -- > Peter Aitken Thanks everyone... If you don't hear back from me in the next month or so you'll know I was ill advised :P ~john |
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Sheldon wrote:
> > Mark Thorson wrote: > > Peter A wrote: > > > > > Complete claptrap. What part of "sterile" do you not understand? > > > > It's not sterile. As the pot cooled, the contraction > > of the air inside the pot would have drawn in > > unsterilized room air containing bacterial spores. > > Boiling at average atmospheric pressure (~212deg. F.) does not > sterilize anyway, but certainly reduces bacteria enough to make sauce > food safe for at least 24 hours, probably a lot longer... undisturbed > the sauce in question will be fine for two days... nothing, absolutely > nothing we eat is sterile. What's truly sterile around here is > Thorazine's pea brain. We can't say that in every kitchen that every pot of tomato sauce would be safe under those conditions. Maybe the number of fatal pots would be small, but it won't be zero. How safe would it have to be to satisfy the value equation? If even one pot out of a thousand were bad, and the value of one's life were a paltry $20,000, it flunks the value equation. I consider my life worth much more than $1,000,000 and I'd want to beat the value equation by at least a safety margin of 10. Under those conditions, your not beating the value equation even if only 1 out of 100,000 pots of sauce is a killer. I don't think anyone can make a reasonable argument that the risk is that low. It may be low, but it's not that low. Certainly, it flunks my value equation. However, if I replace the value of my life with the value of yours (and forget about the safety margin), the equation is satisfied. Go right ahead and eat it. Have seconds. Enjoy! :-) |
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levelwave wrote:
> On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Peter A > wrote: > >> Perfectly fine. When you cooked it, any bacteria in it were killed. >> Being covered all night, no nasties that may have been floating >> around could have gotten in. >> >> -- >> Peter Aitken > > > Thanks everyone... If you don't hear back from me in the next month or > so you'll know I was ill advised :P > > ~john That would be crappy ;-) -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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In article .com>,
"levelwave" > wrote: > I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > ~john Probably. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.mac.com/barbschaller - Winter pic and a snow pic http://jamlady.eboard.com http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor |
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![]() "Mark Thorson" > wrote > > I consider my life worth much more than $1,000,000 Well of course you would. |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article .com>, > "levelwave" > wrote: > > > I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > > Probably. And that probability would be . . . 1 in 1000? 1 in 100,000? Aye, there's the rub. |
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On Feb 28, 10:17 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> However, if I replace the value of my life with the > value of yours (and forget about the safety margin), > the equation is satisfied. Go right ahead and eat it. > Have seconds. Enjoy! :-) My people used to tease me, "We'd like to buy you for what you're really worth, and sell you for what you think you're worth" Barry |
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On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" >
wrote: >I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner >tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on >the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 >hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... >I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I >boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? > >~john Check in tomorrow with us tomorrow. If you can do it, you're fine. If you can't - who should we notify? -- See return address to reply by email |
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sf wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" > > wrote: > >> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner >> tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on >> the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 >> hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... >> I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I >> boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? >> >> ~john > Check in tomorrow with us tomorrow. If you can do it, you're fine. > If you can't - who should we notify? ROFL!!!!!!! kili |
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kilikini wrote:
> sf wrote: >> On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" > >> wrote: >> >>> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner >>> tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on >>> the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 >>> hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... >>> I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I >>> boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? >>> >>> ~john >> Check in tomorrow with us tomorrow. If you can do it, you're fine. >> If you can't - who should we notify? > > ROFL!!!!!!! Have done this myself (more than once) and we are all still alive and kicking ![]() -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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Chatty Cathy wrote:
> kilikini wrote: >> sf wrote: >>> On 28 Feb 2007 15:04:24 -0800, "levelwave" > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner >>>> tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it >>>> on the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out >>>> about 8 hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this >>>> morning... I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off >>>> to work. If I boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? >>>> >>>> ~john >>> Check in tomorrow with us tomorrow. If you can do it, you're fine. >>> If you can't - who should we notify? >> >> ROFL!!!!!!! > > Have done this myself (more than once) and we are all still alive and > kicking ![]() I agree. The food safety police have everyone crazed these days. Bring it to a good long simmer and don't worry about it. And I wouldn't worry about meat, either, unless the meat was not fully cooked in the sauce, which sounds unlikely. If you were a restaurant, it would be a different story, but you're not. |
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Janet Puistonen wrote:
> > > Have done this myself (more than once) and we are all still alive and > > kicking ![]() > > I agree. The food safety police have everyone crazed these days. Bring it to > a good long simmer and don't worry about it. And I wouldn't worry about > meat, either, unless the meat was not fully cooked in the sauce, which > sounds unlikely. > > If you were a restaurant, it would be a different story, but you're not. My wife has a cast iron stomach. She will eat things that have been left out or left in the fridge past the point where I think they were still safe. I had one good dose of food poisoning and I don't ever want a repeat of that experience. |
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On 28 Feb 2007 19:14:56 -0800, "levelwave" >
wrote: >On Feb 28, 5:15 pm, Peter A > wrote: > >> Perfectly fine. When you cooked it, any bacteria in it were killed. >> Being covered all night, no nasties that may have been floating around >> could have gotten in. >> >> -- >> Peter Aitken > > >Thanks everyone... If you don't hear back from me in the next month or >so you'll know I was ill advised :P > >~john as long as you didn't overcook your pasta, you'll be remembered fondly. your pal, blake |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:38:01 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >Melba's Jammin' wrote: >> >> In article .com>, >> "levelwave" > wrote: >> >> > I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner >> > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on >> > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 >> > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... >> > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I >> > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? >> >> Probably. > >And that probability would be . . . 1 in 1000? 1 in 100,000? > >Aye, there's the rub. christ, do you want to live forever? what do you wear when you leave the house? there are meteorites everywhere. your pal, blake |
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blake murphy wrote:
> > christ, do you want to live forever? what do you wear when you leave > the house? there are meteorites everywhere. I know of only one person being hit by a meteor, and she lived. The risk of death appears to be much less than one in a billion per century. http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/...54_116289.html What's the risk of death from food poisoning? About 1 in 60,000 per year. Quoting from http://www.fda.gov/cvm/Guidance/Guide122.htm "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated that known food borne pathogens account for 14 million illnesses, 60,000 hospitalizations and 1,800 deaths to humans in the United States each year. Total food borne illness from both known and unknown pathogens is likely to be responsible for 76 million cases, 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths annually." How does that compare with something everybody knows is dangerous, like driving? Quoting from http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1127-03.htm "'Here we are losing 43,000 people,' Mr. Mineta said. 'If we had that many people die in aviation accidents, we wouldn't have an airplane flying. People wouldn't put up with it. They ought not to put up with 43,000 uncles, aunts, mothers, dads, brothers and friends whose lives are snuffed out by traffic accidents.' Food borne illness is about 9 times less likely to kill you than driving, but driving is the most dangerous thing most people do. For many people, unsafe food handling is the second most dangerous thing they do. |
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blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:38:01 -0800, Mark Thorson > > wrote: >> And that probability would be . . . 1 in 1000? 1 in 100,000? >> >> Aye, there's the rub. > > christ, do you want to live forever? what do you wear when you leave > the house? there are meteorites everywhere. > > your pal, > blake Mark has his tinfoil hat, so no worries there, blake.... OBFood: Gonna have these at the weekend.... Barb Schaller's Famous Orgasmic Chocolate Brownies 1 cup unsalted butter (8 oz) 4 ozs unsweetened baking chocolate 2 cups granulated sugar (15 oz) 4 eggs 2 tsp vanilla extract 1 tsp almond extract 1 cup chopped nuts, optional (walnuts or pecans) 1 1/3 cups cake flour (6 oz) 1 tsp baking powder 1/2 tsp salt In microwave oven, on medium-high power, melt butter and chocolate in 2-quart microwave-safe bowl, about 3 minutes. Stir until smooth. Mix in granulated sugar, then beat in eggs, one at a time, with wire whisk. Mix in vanilla and almond. Stir in nuts. Combine cake flour, baking powder, and salt and fold into chocolate. Spread batter in 9x13" pan lined with baking parchment and bake in preheated oven at 350°F for about 33-35 minutes. Do not overbake; toothpick may have fudgy crumbs on it, but not wet batter. Notes: First Place, Plain Brownies, 1997 Minnesota State Fair. Adapted from recipe in Cook's Illustrated magazine, March/April 1994. Please note that I do use real chocolate, unsalted butter and cake flour. If you do not, don't complain to me about it. And I don't believe the nutritional analysis at the bottom of this page! Per serving (excluding unknown items): 197 Calories; 12g Fat (51% calories from fat); 2g Protein; 23g Carbohydrate; 58mg Cholesterol; 72mg Sodium Food Exchanges: 1/2 Starch/Bread; 2 Fat; 1 Other Carbohydrates -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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On Mar 1, 1:58 am, sf wrote:
> Check in tomorrow with us tomorrow. If you can do it, you're fine. > If you can't - who should we notify? I've been munchin' on it for 2 days now and haven't killed over yet. Looks like we're in the clear... ~john |
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On 1 Mar 2007 17:04:27 -0800, "levelwave" >
wrote: >On Mar 1, 1:58 am, sf wrote: > >> Check in tomorrow with us tomorrow. If you can do it, you're fine. >> If you can't - who should we notify? > > > >I've been munchin' on it for 2 days now and haven't killed over yet. >Looks like we're in the clear... > Wheew! ![]() -- See return address to reply by email |
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:26:32 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >blake murphy wrote: >> >> christ, do you want to live forever? what do you wear when you leave >> the house? there are meteorites everywhere. > >I know of only one person being hit by a meteor, >and she lived. The risk of death appears to be >much less than one in a billion per century. > >http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/...54_116289.html > >What's the risk of death from food poisoning? >About 1 in 60,000 per year. > >Quoting from >http://www.fda.gov/cvm/Guidance/Guide122.htm > >"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention >has estimated that known food borne pathogens >account for 14 million illnesses, 60,000 >hospitalizations and 1,800 deaths to humans >in the United States each year. Total food borne >illness from both known and unknown pathogens is >likely to be responsible for 76 million cases, >325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths >annually." > i'd be willing to bet that a very small percentage of those deaths occurred because of unsafe practices in home kitchens. yes, some people will insist on infusing garlic in oil, but i bet few of them get botulism. some foolhardy persons will cut up vegetables after using the boards for chickens. oh noes!!! but the bodies aren't exactly piling up in the streets. your pal, blake |
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On Feb 28, 5:04 pm, "levelwave" > wrote:
> I cooked up a big pot of tomato sauce last night for my dinner > tonight... well, I woke up this morning and realized I had left it on > the stove all night (covered - off the heat). It stayed out about 8 > hours and the pot was room temp by the time I woke up this morning... > I placed the pot back in the fridge before heading off to work. If I > boil it when I get home will it still be ok to eat? Should be fine - tomatoes have lots of acid. I hope it wasn't in a reactive pan, though. ;-) N. |
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:41:05 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: >My wife has a cast iron stomach. I used to have one of those too.... but <singing> Oh, the times, they are a-changin' -- See return address to reply by email |
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Ketchup has a ton of sugar and other preservatives. Not comparable to tomato sauce.
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