After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
till next year.

Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. It's even worth
killing myself a little by eating it. With the extra high salt and
fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
serving.

On Mar 16, 11:00�am, "James" > wrote:
> After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. *So now I got enough
> till next year.
>
> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. *It's even worth
> killing myself a little by eating it. *With the extra high salt and
> fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
> serving.

I know, it is hard to resist, I may eat some, then try to trim the
rest. The salt is bad too but it makes things taste good. I try to not
salt my food, and occasionally give myself a little treat, and have
have some.

Rosie

On Mar 16, 1:16�pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> James wrote:
> > Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.
>
> I trim the fat off after the meat is cooked. *I find it truly disgusting.

'Zactly. Boiled corned beef fat is disguting, in fact any boiled meat
fat is disgusting. Before boiling corned beef I trim most of the
external fat. And rendering out more fat is one of the reasons I oven
roast the boiled corned beef, and to crisp what little external fat
remains. Some people like a fatty corned beef sandwich, but when you
look at them you know why.

On Mar 16, 8:02 am, "rosie" > wrote:
>
> [snip] The salt is bad too but it makes things taste good. I try to not
> salt my food, and occasionally give myself a little treat, and have
> have some.

Why do people keep saying this? Salt is not bad for most people.
Reducing salt intake is recommended for those people who already have
high blood pressure. It is not recommended for anyone else. All this
bland food being unnecessarily eaten by people who think they are
eating "healthy" makes me shudder. -aem

James wrote:
> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.

I trim the fat off after the meat is cooked. I find it truly disgusting.

Jill

"James" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
> till next year.
>
> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.

My wife's aunt likes that part, too. The first time I saw her eating some,
I almost vomited on my plate. I make a point of never attending a meal
where it's served and she's also there. At any rate, the point cut is
basically meat they somehow manage to sell instead of throwing away. It's
the flat cut that's the better of the two cuts available.

On Mar 16, 12:39 pm, "Lee K" > wrote:
> "James" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> > another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
> > till next year.
>
> > Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.
>
> My wife's aunt likes that part, too. The first time I saw her eating some,
> I almost vomited on my plate. I make a point of never attending a meal
> where it's served and she's also there. At any rate, the point cut is
> basically meat they somehow manage to sell instead of throwing away. It's
> the flat cut that's the better of the two cuts available.

I've tried the flat cut and found it too lean for my taste.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Mar 16, 1:16?pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.
>>
>> I trim the fat off after the meat is cooked. I find it truly
>> disgusting.
>
> 'Zactly. Boiled corned beef fat is disguting, in fact any boiled meat
> fat is disgusting. Before boiling corned beef I trim most of the
> external fat. And rendering out more fat is one of the reasons I oven
> roast the boiled corned beef, and to crisp what little external fat
> remains. Some people like a fatty corned beef sandwich, but when you
> look at them you know why.

I should have said I trim *most* of the external fat prior to boiling corned
beef (or crock-potting it with liquid, which is essentially the same thing
except it takes a lot longer!). I also like to finish it off in the oven
for the reasons you cited. The rest of the external fat is trimmed before I
ever slice and serve the corned beef. Eating that blubbery stuff is just
gross, IMHO.

Jill

"aem" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 16, 8:02 am, "rosie" > wrote:
>>
>> [snip] The salt is bad too but it makes things taste good. I try to not
>> salt my food, and occasionally give myself a little treat, and have
>> have some.
>
> Why do people keep saying this? Salt is not bad for most people.
> Reducing salt intake is recommended for those people who already have
> high blood pressure. It is not recommended for anyone else. All this
> bland food being unnecessarily eaten by people who think they are
> eating "healthy" makes me shudder. -aem

To add to this, salt is not necessarily bad for all people with high blood
pressure, it varies case by case. Reducing salt intake is usually
recommended as a means of finding if it is the contributing cause, but there
are other reasons for HBP, some of which are hereditary vs. dietary, or are
stress-related. I'm one of those people who has HBP "just because". It
doesn't run in my family, and reducing salt had no affect.

Sharon

"James" > wrote:

> After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
> till next year.
>
> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. It's even worth
> killing myself a little by eating it. With the extra high salt and
> fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
> serving.

Funny, my wife and I were just talking about this sort of thing
vis-a-vis smoking. How people seem to like it so much that they are
willing to kill themselves a little bit to have it.

I found myself thinking about Dave Ramsey's comments about adults
knowing how to delay gratification...

"Melissa" > wrote in
:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 16 Mar 2007 09:00:18 -0700, in
>> misc.consumers.frugal-living "James"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket,
>> >I found another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb.
>> >So now I got enough till next year.
>> >
>> >Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.
>> >It's even worth killing myself a little by eating it.
>> >With the extra high salt and fat I wonder how many
>> >minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a serving.
>>
>>
>
> Considering that the calories per serving of just the
> corned beef is 820 calories, 61% of which is from fat, I
> wouldn't worry about that little extra fat you're eating.
> I'll bet you're eating more than a 4 ounce serving as well,
> so most likely at least doubling those figures. One
> serving also has 3629mg of salt.
>
> Hope you have a good cardiologist.

what are you doing that your corned beef has 3693mg of salt?
if you make boiled corned beef & cabbage, you discard the
cooking liquid & most of the salt. a serving of good Irish
boiled corned beef & cabbage has 419mg of salt.

lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

enigma wrote:

> what are you doing that your corned beef has 3693mg of salt?
> if you make boiled corned beef & cabbage, you discard the
> cooking liquid & most of the salt. a serving of good Irish
> boiled corned beef & cabbage has 419mg of salt.

You can also soak the corned beef in a large pot of water, changing it every
few hours, which will considerable reduce the sodium. Think of it as reverse
brining.

Then stick in the oven at 250F until done.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

> wrote in message
...
> On 16 Mar 2007 09:00:18 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "James"
> > wrote:
>
> >After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> >another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
> >till next year.
> >
> >Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. It's even worth
> >killing myself a little by eating it. With the extra high salt and
> >fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
> >serving.
>
>

Considering that the calories per serving of just the corned beef is 820
calories, 61% of which is from fat, I wouldn't worry about that little extra
fat you're eating. I'll bet you're eating more than a 4 ounce serving as
well, so most likely at least doubling those figures. One serving also has
3629mg of salt.

Hope you have a good cardiologist.

Melissa

Daniel T. wrote:
> "James" > wrote:
>
>
>>After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
>>another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
>>till next year.
>>
>>Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. It's even worth
>>killing myself a little by eating it. With the extra high salt and
>>fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
>>serving.
>
>
> Funny, my wife and I were just talking about this sort of thing
> vis-a-vis smoking. How people seem to like it so much that they are
> willing to kill themselves a little bit to have it.
>
> I found myself thinking about Dave Ramsey's comments about adults
> knowing how to delay gratification...

Just relax a little. It's all in the portion size and how often you
indulge. Most peoples' favorite treats are not health foods.

On Mar 16, 12:03�pm, "aem" > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 8:02 am, "rosie" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > [snip] * The salt is bad too but it makes things taste good. I try to not
> > salt my food, and occasionally give myself a little treat, and have
> > have some.
>
> Why do people keep saying this? *Salt is not bad for most people.
> Reducing salt intake is recommended for those people who already have
> high blood pressure. *It is not recommended for anyone else. *All this
> bland food being unnecessarily eaten by people who think they are
> eating "healthy" makes me shudder. * *-aem

I have a problem with high blood pressure. I take meds and exercise
daily. That is why I said it. I also use Mrs. Dash most of the time
and other spices and goodies to make things not taste bland.

Rosie

James wrote:
> After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
> till next year.
>
> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. It's even worth
> killing myself a little by eating it. With the extra high salt and
> fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
> serving.

Gross! I will be trimming the fat prior to cooking and hopefully
rendering what little fat is left on my relatively lean flat cut,
TYVM.

-L.

aem wrote:
> On Mar 16, 8:19 pm, "nemo" > wrote:
>>
>> I used to like corned beef very much. We all did until the Typhus
>> outbreak in the 50s. We didn't fancy it much after that. I know it
>> tastes good, but please don't overdo it.
>>
> There was a Typhus outbreak somewhere in the world sometime during the
> 50's?!!? Omigod, I'll never eat corned beef again...... idiot. -
> aem

LOL Yeah, it might still be hanging around here in 2007, aem. You just
never know!

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> aem wrote:
>> On Mar 16, 8:19 pm, "nemo" > wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to like corned beef very much. We all did until
>>> the Typhus outbreak in the 50s. We didn't fancy it much
>>> after that. I know it tastes good, but please don't
>>> overdo it.
>>>
>> There was a Typhus outbreak somewhere in the world
>> sometime during the 50's?!!? Omigod, I'll never eat
>> corned beef again...... idiot. - aem
>
> LOL Yeah, it might still be hanging around here in 2007,
> aem. You just never know!

typhus is carried by fleas, body lice or mites/chiggers,
depending on the type of typhus.
what that has to do with corned beef or becoming vegan is
beyond me.
lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

>
> Both my parents and most of my many relations killed themselves a lot on the
> old 'normal' fatty diet. Coronary Heart Disease and Stroke. Funerals
> substituted for our annual family re-unions for a good few years.
>
> I used to like corned beef very much. We all did until the Typhus outbreak
> in the 50s. We didn't fancy it much after that. I know it tastes good, but
> please don't overdo it.
>
> Nemo.
> Vegan for 45 years.


Eating high calorie foods doesn't make someone fat or sickly. Not
eating a well balanced diet overall, and not getting enough exercise
is what makes people obese and sick. Veganism CLEARLY does not
guarantee good health, as most vegans I know have been some of the
sickest people I've known too. Humans are omnivores. It is beneficial
to the survival of our species that we have been omnivores.

Its a simple fact you cannot gain weight unless you consume more
calories than you burn everyday, Most adult women need around 2000,
most adult men need 2500 or so. It will vary based on body type and
your current weight of course. After these calories any additional
calories you eat will contribute to your growing thighs, hips,
buttocks, stomach , etc .... It does not matter if these calories come
from roast beef or tofu.

Salt as many have correctly stated is NOT bad for the average person.
Some people do react poorly to salt and it does increase THEIR blood
pressure, but that is not the case for the average person. If you are
one of those people who react to salt poorly well of course don't eat
gobs of it.

I can't believe how many people who are ignorant of basic nutrition
come in here and make claims as if they were truth. If you are a
vegan, great more meat for all the rest of us. But don't think for a
second that it is making you any more fit than anyone else.

wrote:
>

>
> Eating high calorie foods doesn't make someone fat or sickly. Not
> eating a well balanced diet overall, and not getting enough exercise
> is what makes people obese and sick.


Yet, there are lots of people out there who don't exercise and who eats
lots of high sugar, high fat food and don't gain weight while others who
watch their weight carefully and get lots of exercise occasionally splurge
and suck on extra eight like a sponge.



> Its a simple fact you cannot gain weight unless you consume more
> calories than you burn everyday,


And it is also a fact that some people naturally absorb more nutrition from
their food and have a lower metabolism while others with a higher
metabolism can burn it off doing damned little.


> Salt as many have correctly stated is NOT bad for the average person.
> Some people do react poorly to salt and it does increase THEIR blood
> pressure, but that is not the case for the average person. If you are
> one of those people who react to salt poorly well of course don't eat
> gobs of it.

Once again...... varies from person to person. My father in law ate a lot
of eggs... usually poached with salt and cheese on top, a lot of red meat,
cold cuts... high fat and high salt, and had no heart problems until he was
almost 95.

wrote:

>
>
>Eating high calorie foods doesn't make someone fat or sickly. Not
>eating a well balanced diet overall, and not getting enough exercise
>is what makes people obese and sick. Veganism CLEARLY does not
>guarantee good health, as most vegans I know have been some of the
>sickest people I've known too. Humans are omnivores. It is beneficial
>to the survival of our species that we have been omnivores.
>
>Its a simple fact you cannot gain weight unless you consume more
>calories than you burn everyday, Most adult women need around 2000,
>most adult men need 2500 or so. It will vary based on body type and
>your current weight of course. After these calories any additional
>calories you eat will contribute to your growing thighs, hips,
>buttocks, stomach , etc .... It does not matter if these calories come
>from roast beef or tofu.
>
>Salt as many have correctly stated is NOT bad for the average person.
>Some people do react poorly to salt and it does increase THEIR blood
>pressure, but that is not the case for the average person. If you are
>one of those people who react to salt poorly well of course don't eat
>gobs of it.
>
>I can't believe how many people who are ignorant of basic nutrition
>come in here and make claims as if they were truth. If you are a
>vegan, great more meat for all the rest of us. But don't think for a
>second that it is making you any more fit than anyone else.
>
>
>
>
Google poop postings are just that.

"aem" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 16, 8:19 pm, "nemo" > wrote:
> >
> > I used to like corned beef very much. We all did until the Typhus
outbreak
> > in the 50s. We didn't fancy it much after that. I know it tastes good,
but
> > please don't overdo it.
> >
> There was a Typhus outbreak somewhere in the world sometime during the
> 50's?!!? Omigod, I'll never eat corned beef again...... idiot. -
> aem
>
Yup. Here in the UK amongst other places. Fray Bentos it was. They weren't
autoclaving the tins properly. That's bringing them up to boiling point
under pressure to kill the bacteria. So they were the idiots.

> wrote in message
ps.com...
> >
> > Both my parents and most of my many relations killed themselves a lot on
the
> > old 'normal' fatty diet. Coronary Heart Disease and Stroke. Funerals
> > substituted for our annual family re-unions for a good few years.
> >
> > I used to like corned beef very much. We all did until the Typhus
outbreak
> > in the 50s. We didn't fancy it much after that. I know it tastes good,
but
> > please don't overdo it.
> >
> > Nemo.
> > Vegan for 45 years.

Cautious advice given out of genuine concern.

>
> Eating high calorie foods doesn't make someone fat or sickly.

Yes it does!! - if they fail to burn the calories off by means of exercise -
which an increasing number of people, particularly young people, do not do.

> Not
> eating a well balanced diet overall, and not getting enough exercise
> is what makes people obese and sick. Veganism CLEARLY does not
> guarantee good health, as most vegans I know have been some of the
> sickest people I've known too.

Obesity is recognised in the UK, Europe and the US as one of the most
serious health problems of the 21st. century.

You are correct that Veganism does not guarantee good health. Indeed, a
small number of people have suffered vitamin and amino-acid deficiencies
because they took up Veganism without the necessary nutritional knowledge. A
Vitamin B12 supplement of 250 µg per day is vital, otherwise Sub-acute
Degeneration of the Spinal Cord may result.

But I didn't become Vegan to stay healthy. That's just a fortunate
by-product. I just couldn't tolerate and will never tolerate the way food
animals were/are treated and want no responsibility for it. And, BTW, I
haven't only been Vegan for 45 years. I have also been studying the
relationship between diet and health for 45 years.

I have had a few health problems over the last seven years or so: Renal
stones, DVT leading PE (without flying anywhere nice!), AF - now cured by
means of Catheter Ablation Therapy, and I fell and ruptured my spleen - but
the one thing I definitely do not have is Coronary Heart Disease.

I suffered some chest pain last year and had a Nuclear Perfusion Scan done
which showed my coronary arteries are 100% functional and the pain was put
down to Oesophageal Spasm (cramp of the gullet). The same spray, GTN, eases
it though. The docs said that with my family history, they were quite
surprised it wasn't coronary heart disease.

> Humans are omnivores. It is beneficial
> to the survival of our species that we have been omnivores.

True. I did not say otherwise. If we were naturally vegetarian, we'd
probably have evolved with four stomachs and appendices ten times the size
of rabbits'! But we are sentient and can therefore make choices based upon
what we believe to be right and proper. I have no problem at all with your
choices in this respect being different to mine.

> Its a simple fact you cannot gain weight unless you consume more
> calories than you burn everyday, Most adult women need around 2000,
> most adult men need 2500 or so. It will vary based on body type and
> your current weight of course. After these calories any additional
> calories you eat will contribute to your growing thighs, hips,
> buttocks, stomach , etc .... It does not matter if these calories come
> from roast beef or tofu.

I don't care for tofu, but I believe it contains very few calories, being
mainly fermented bean protein. Everything white and sloppy is not fat.

I am overweight however, having as the doctor calls it, an 'apple belly'!
) which, he informs me, I must lose on pain of contracting Diabetes - and
am getting it down by reducing my food intake generally and walking many
miles quite vigorously several times a week.

I do not like gymnasia. They are expensive, sometimes horrendously so, they
stink, remind me too much of school and are often populated by muscle-bound
over-competitive sport-heads who love to take the mickey out of older
members and as I live in a flat/apartment, the noise from exercise machines
would disturb my neighbours.

Having just turned 60 and having a free old farts' travel pass is useful now
because I can travel free to the outskirts of London for a bit of country
walking and to the more distant parks and gardens such as Richmond, Kew and
Wimbledon Common. I have just discovered that I can get a train direct to
Wimbledon from Kings Cross, just down the road to me. I am fortunate,
however, in living within walking distance of Regents Park and Parliament
Hill Fields/Hampstead Heath and the West End of London. All pleasant places
for a few miles' walk.

> Salt as many have correctly stated is NOT bad for the average person.

I didn't actually mention salt, but anyway, at least here in the UK, medical
opinion is almost universal in its condemnation of excessive salt in the
diet because of its effects on blood pressure.

> Some people do react poorly to salt and it does increase THEIR blood
> pressure, but that is not the case for the average person. If you are
> one of those people who react to salt poorly well of course don't eat
> gobs of it.
>
> I can't believe how many people who are ignorant of basic nutrition
> come in here and make claims as if they were truth. If you are a
> vegan, great more meat for all the rest of us.

And good luck to you. And 'ignorant of basic nutrition' eh?? Well - have you
realised your mistake yet? ;o)

When I mention my own dietary preferences, I am in no way trying to tell
anyone else what they should eat. I get the impression that you might have
thought that this is what I am trying to do.

This is a mistake many who follow a normal omnivorous diet make. On the
other hand, if I mention I am Vegan (capital V please - it is a proper noun)
a far larger number of people make the point that they don't eat very much
red meat themselves, usually preferring poultry and fish, and I, without any
bias at all, tell them they are correct in this and also point out that oily
fish is particularly good for health, and we often end up having a friendly,
pleasant conversation about Vegetarianism and Veganism and diet in general
and often end up swapping recipes.

> But don't think for a second that it is making you any more fit than
anyone else.

OK. I won't. Instead, I will continue to think that thought every day of my
life, as I have been doing for many years now, based on forty-five years'
worth of research and expert knowledge.

This is borne out by medical opinion in general at least here in the UK, and
is proved beyond any doubt by the vast improvements in public health that
resulted from a government-sponsored dietary campaign in Finland many years
ago, where the traditional diet was so unhealthy that teenagers were dying
of coronaries and aborted foetuses were showing coronary arteries already
beginning to fur up with cholesterol, and is further proved by the
deterioration in health in Italians when they move from southern to northern
Italy and in Chinese and Japanese people when they move to the West.

(Source: A lecture I attended by a professor who had toured the world
researching the effects of diet upon health. He showed slides of sections of
the foetus' arteries. The sclerosis was all too obvious. Very sad.)

My father died suddenly at 51 from a massive coronary. He was a postman and
deliveries were all done on foot in those days, so he was pretty fit. He
wasn't overweight but did smoke and really did like fat. He used to devour
with relish the fat that my mother and I cut off our meat. My mother died
from the same cause at 63 - quite young for a woman, and as I said, nearly
all of my many aunts and uncles died from stroke or coronary heart disease.

I am now 60, and as I said, I have just had a scan carried out which has
shown my coronary arteries are 100% clear of narrowing or obstruction.

QED.

I wonder if there are fat problems in countries where the average
family can't afford TV & video games.

On 18 Mar 2007 09:20:51 -0700, "James" > wrote:

>I wonder if there are fat problems in countries where the average
>family can't afford TV & video games.
>
They *need* the fat calories to survive. We don't.

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"James" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I wonder if there are fat problems in countries where the average
> family can't afford TV & video games.
>
>
When all else fails in the face of reasoned argument and facts, stating the
obvious to try to put the writer on the spot will always come to the
rescue - and fail!

)

On Mar 16, 9:47 am, "Sheldon" > wrote:
> On Mar 16, 1:16?pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
> > James wrote:
> > > Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting.
>
> > I trim the fat off after the meat is cooked. ?I find it truly disgusting.
>
> 'Zactly. Boiled corned beef fat is disguting, in fact any boiled meat
> fat is disgusting. Before boiling corned beef I trim most of the
> external fat. And rendering out more fat is one of the reasons I oven
> roast the boiled corned beef, and to crisp what little external fat
> remains. Some people like a fatty corned beef sandwich, but when you
> look at them you know why.
I have always just boiled it. Last night, I decided to try roasting it
after boiling- 350 for about 40 minutes. What a difference! Thanks for
the tip.

James wrote:

> After stocking up on $1.29 point cut corned beef brisket, I found
> another store that had them on sale for $.99/lb. So now I got enough
> till next year.
>
> Slow cooked the fat part is sooooooooo good tasting. It's even worth
> killing myself a little by eating it. With the extra high salt and
> fat I wonder how many minutes of my life I'm giving up to eat a
> serving.

Of course, fat it good! As long as it's nice and crispy.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

nemo wrote:
> "aem" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Mar 16, 8:19 pm, "nemo" > wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to like corned beef very much. We all did until the Typhus
>>> outbreak in the 50s. We didn't fancy it much after that. I know it
>>> tastes good, but please don't overdo it.
>>>
>> There was a Typhus outbreak somewhere in the world sometime during
>> the 50's?!!? Omigod, I'll never eat corned beef again...... idiot.
>> - aem
>>
> Yup. Here in the UK amongst other places. Fray Bentos it was. They
> weren't autoclaving the tins properly. That's bringing them up to
> boiling point under pressure to kill the bacteria. So they were the
> idiots.

Tins? Oh, so you're not talking about a brined corned beef brisket. You're
talking about tinned corned beef? That would make more sense.

aem wrote:

> On Mar 16, 8:02 am, "rosie" > wrote:
>>
>> [snip] The salt is bad too but it makes things taste good. I try to not
>> salt my food, and occasionally give myself a little treat, and have
>> have some.
>
> Why do people keep saying this? Salt is not bad for most people.
> Reducing salt intake is recommended for those people who already have
> high blood pressure.

Addendum: people with high blood pressure affected by salt; lots of people
with HBP can eat all the salt they want without increasing their pressure.

> It is not recommended for anyone else. All this
> bland food being unnecessarily eaten by people who think they are
> eating "healthy" makes me shudder. -aem

And then there's the 8-glasses-of-water thing, but coffee, tea and soft
drinks don't count as water and they never actually defined the quantity
known as "glass".

BTW, meat fat of any kind (except really crisp bacon) is disgusting.

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Cheers,
Bev
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"The Real Bev" > wrote
> And then there's the 8-glasses-of-water thing, but coffee, tea and soft
> drinks don't count as water


No longer true. Please try to keep up.

http://tinyurl.com/ovyi

An excerpt:

Is there scientific documentation that we do not need to drink "8 x 8"?
There is highly suggestive evidence, says Valtin. First is the voluminous
scientific literature on the efficacy of the osmoregulatory system that
maintains water balance through the antidiuretic hormone and thirst. Second,
published surveys document that the mean daily fluid intake of thousands of
presumably healthy humans is less than the roughly two quarts prescribed by
8 x 8. Valtin argues that, in view of this evidence, the burden of proof
that everyone needs 8 x 8 should fall on those who persist in advocating the
high fluid intake without, apparently, citing any scientific support.

Finally, strong evidence now indicates that not all of the prescribed fluid
need be in the form of water. Careful peer-reviewed experiments have shown
that caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake in
the vast majority of persons. To a lesser extent, the same probably can be
said for dilute alcoholic beverages, such as beer, if taken in moderation.

"Thus, I have found no scientific proof that absolutely every person must
'drink at least eight glasses of water a day'," says Valtin. While there is
some evidence that the risk of certain diseases can be lowered by high water
intake, the quantities needed for this beneficial effect may be less than 8
x 8, and the recommendation can be limited to those particularly susceptible
to the diseases in question.

The Real Bev > quoted:
>aem wrote:
>
>> On Mar 16, 8:02 am, "rosie" > wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip] The salt is bad too but it makes things taste good. I try to not
>>> salt my food, and occasionally give myself a little treat, and have
>>> have some.
>>
>> Why do people keep saying this? Salt is not bad for most people.

Salt (NaCl) in the diet is essential. It's an *excess* of salt that is
cautioned against. A diet much higher in salt that is needed for good
health can have adverse consequences long-term. Stomach cancer is one, with
its much higher incidence back in the days before refrigeration when salt
beef, salt pork, etc. were standard fare, also salty butter, salty bread,
salty cheese, etc., for slightly longer shelf life IE. High salt (likewise
high sugar) in the diet is also reported to interfere with calcium
absorption, exacerbating the bone-thinning we normally associate with
advancing age.
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John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)