Hi,

I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?

$500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.

If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
serious about it.

Thanks in advance!
Paul

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:37:01 -0500, Uncle Paul >
wrote:


>If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
>new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
>for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
>serious about it.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Paul

I have All-Clad and I love it. Haven't tried the other.
When I was trying to see if All-Clad was for me, I bought one piece
and cooked with it for a bit. That gave me a good idea of what it was
like, and I have never looked back.
Maybe you could try something of the same?

Christine

On Mar 20, 3:37 pm, Uncle Paul > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
> $500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
> warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
> stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
> If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
> new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
> for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
> serious about it.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Paul

It's like most things that get used alot - if you buy quality at the
best price you can afford, you'll never regret it.
You love cooking, so I say, go for it! If you can pick and choose
which items you want then that is good.

--Bronnie
Oz Down Under

In article >,
Uncle Paul > wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
> $500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
> warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
> stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
> If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
> new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
> for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
> serious about it.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Paul

Yes they are worth it and don't buy a set. Buy only a pan at a time and
only the pans you need. I've never bought a set of pans where I used all
of them. I bought most of my AllClad on eBay over time and for less than
half list.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:37:01 -0500, Uncle Paul >
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
>with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
>$500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
>warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
>stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
>If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
>new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
>for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
>serious about it.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Paul


If you are near a Costco, you might want to check into their Kirkland
brand. The quality is excellent and their return policy generous. And
Consumer Reports names the set a "Best Buy."

Boron

On Mar 20, 1:37�am, Uncle Paul > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am purchasing my first nice cookset. *Does anyone have experience
> with the expensive stuff? *Is it really worth it?
>
> $500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. *Demeyere has a 30 year
> warranty. *Not bad. *Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
> stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
> If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. *I'm buying
> new anyway to switch to induction. *I prefer all stainless. *Am I nuts
> for considering spending this much? *I do love cooking and am getting
> serious about it.

All-Crap is for those with more dollars than brain cells.

Only the kitchen imbeciles buy expensive cookware in a set. No one
needs rolls royce pots to cook pasta and simmer stews/soups and to
heat up canned goods. And expensive cookware will in no way make
anyone a better cook. It's best to buy individual pieces each fit to
do a particular job. Buy your better quality pots from a restaurant
supply store... only the compulsive-obsessives need their kitchenware
to match their panties.

In article >,
Uncle Paul > wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
> $500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
> warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
> stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
> If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
> new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
> for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
> serious about it.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Paul

I'm probably the sixth person to tell you to not buy a whole set of
anything but to choose each pan or pot on its own merits. Am I right?
:-)

I have this Demeyere kettle:
http://www.surlatable.com/product/id/124990.do
In May 1999 I paid $160 for it at Sur La Table in Seattle..
It is, bar none, my favorite cooking vessel. I make 400+ jars of jam
and jelly each summer and, while this kettle used to be used for
waterbath processing, I used it for the jam cooking last summer. I also
use it for making soups, spaghetti sauce, chili con carne, and cooking
large quantities of pasta. My son-in-law has his eye on it for when I
croak, but I'm not sure he's worthy of it. "-) It is a gem. If I
were to get an induction stove I believe I would inform my financier
that part of the cost of the new stove would be suitable cooking pans
and kettles and they might run to several hundred dollars. Then I'd be
looking at Demeyere's offerings.

That said, I don't know if there are other brands that are suitable for
induction cooking -- maybe Harry or Samantha Demidavicius will pop in
with their remarks - they've got an induction range, IIR.

I also have the All-Clad 3-qt saute pan and love it. I think I got it
on sale maybe 8-10 years ago for about $60 at Dayton's (now Macy's). I
like it a lot, too. I wash it in the dishwasher and only rarely does it
need special attention for cleaning.

I've raved about both these pans here before.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://jamlady.eboard.com - Comfort Food for Bob Pastorio, updated
3-16-2007
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller - Hollandaise sauce 3-15-2007
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor

In article >,
jay > wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:37:01 -0500, Uncle Paul wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> > with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
>
> I don't like the handles on All Clad. The angle that the handles are set
> from the pan is odd along with the shape of the handle.
>
> j


The angle doesn't bother me but I'd like it if the handle on my saute
pan were about 2-1/2" shorter. I'm grateful for the helper handle on
it as it is.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://jamlady.eboard.com - Comfort Food for Bob Pastorio, updated
3-16-2007
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller - Hollandaise sauce 3-15-2007
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor

Melba's Jammin' wrote on 20 Mar 2007 in rec.food.cooking

> That said, I don't know if there are other brands that are suitable for
> induction cooking -- maybe Harry or Samantha Demidavicius will pop in
> with their remarks - they've got an induction range, IIR.
>

Some Henckle lines works on induction...I use a fancy looking Henckle dutch
oven (4 qt) on my induction hot plate. The Henckle stuff has like washing
machine Icons stamped on the bottom showing what it works with.


I'm talking the German knife people here, just incase I spelt Henckle
wrong.

Cast Iron works well on induction if the bottom is smooth as you don't want
to scratch up the surface of the stove.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote:
> I'm probably the sixth person to tell you to not buy a whole set of
> anything but to choose each pan or pot on its own merits. Am I right?
> :-)

I'm going to go the other way! ;-)

This is what I did. I bought ONE All Clad pan that was offered at a very
attractive price as a "try me" thing. That way I would know one way or the
other whether I liked the basic characteristics of the line of pans. Based
on that trial, I bought a set with a reasonable group of pans. I've since
supplemented that set with a couple of additional pieces.

The problem with buying open stock is the prices are so much higher that
even if there is a piece in the set you don't use, you still come out ahead.
The set I got had these in it: 8 quart stock pot, 3 quart and 2 quart sauce
pans, 10" fry pan. Of those, I don't use the stock pot very often because I
have other large pots I can use.

Just for comparison, I took a look at an 8 piece All Clad stainless set vs.
open stock at Chefs Catalog. The set price was $450. The total open stock
price was $645 ($50 + $105 + $140 + $155 + $195). From this, one can see
that one or two pans could be tossed away and you'd still come out ahead.
I'll admit if you looked very carefully over time you might be able to
assemble what you need via open stock by searching for each individual piece
on sale. But then again, you should be able to find the set on sale too.

The bigger the set you get, the greater the chance of things being on it
that you don't need. That's why I'd go for a good basic set and then
supplement it. Of the ones I didn't really need, there are occassions where
I do need to pans of roughly the same size and am glad that the extra pan is
there for me.

Regarding quality vs. price, I think it depends on what kind of person you
are. I tend to buy infrequently and buy things for life. I don't buy stuff
willy nilly, get tired of it, and throw it out after a few years. If you
think out your purchases and keep them for decades, the cost of the cookware
is almost insignificant in the big picture, even buying the high end brands.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

On Mar 20, 12:37 am, Uncle Paul > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
> $500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
> warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
> stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
> If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
> new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
> for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
> serious about it.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Paul


All-Clad makes Emerilware - sold at department stores, usually, for
less money - and it is great! Mine is all stainless with heavy
layered bottoms and clear glass lids. All-Clad honors the warranty
for Emerilware. It cleans up beautifully and easily. I have a 10-
piece set, brand-new, that I got for $150 on eBay (from a seller with
a great feedback rating), and recently purchased a 1-quart saucepan
for $15 during a department store sale.

N.

In article >,
jay > wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:05:47 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > I have this Demeyere kettle:
> > http://www.surlatable.com/product/id/124990.do
>
> That is a nice kettle! I've never seen Demeyere cookware. I think there
> is room here for at least one more piece though.

Demeyere is made in Belgium. My all time favorite pan is a Demeyere 5-6
qt saute and I've said here before that if I could have only one pan, it
would be that one. I also have some Sitram, Mauviel and All-Clad. I'd
recommend all four brands, actually, but All-Clad with reservations
because the wider pans like skillets and sautes will warp on a
high-wattage flat-top range and because of the angled handles. I did
not have that problem with gas. My favorite medium saucepans are
Mauviel. When purchasing skillets or saute pans, it is important to
remember that a handle that is parallel to the floor is better for
taking the pan from the range to under the broiler. It's also easier to
flip the food in the pan with this type of handle IMO. Demeyere's hefty
handle is great in that regard, allowing a firm grip with much more
surface contact between the hand and the handle. Men may not have as
much problem with this since they are stronger. But my 6'3" tall
husband doesn't like the All-Clad handles either; he says they feel
"flimsy and stupid". Mostly I buy pans when they are on special or
cosmetic 'seconds'--- not in sets--- and I watch the reviews on
individual pans very carefully. I also have a Calphalon SS roasting pan
that I really like, having "retired" two others that were faulty for
various reasons.

Emma

"Nancy2" > wrote:
> All-Clad makes Emerilware - sold at department stores, usually, for
> less money - and it is great! Mine is all stainless with heavy
> layered bottoms and clear glass lids. All-Clad honors the warranty
> for Emerilware. It cleans up beautifully and easily. I have a 10-
> piece set, brand-new, that I got for $150 on eBay (from a seller with
> a great feedback rating), and recently purchased a 1-quart saucepan
> for $15 during a department store sale.

Just as a point of information, I'm not so sure I'd say that All Clad
"makes" Emerilware. I'd more say they designed it with input from Emeril,
and contract it out (in China, from what I recall). Some All Clad branded
products (utensils, aluminum disk bottom cookware) is also contracted out.

Not that Emerilware isn't great cookware, it just might not have been made
by who you thought.

The Menu Foods thing with the pet food ought to be a lesson to us all. You
really don't know who is making a product these days (unless you research it
thoroughly). Initially it was thought that Menu Foods was confined to store
brands, with some people on their high horse stating that the vaunted pet
food brands that they used (such as Iams or Eukanuba) would never have such
problems. It seems that names don't mean much these days, EVERYTHING is
contracted out! ;-)

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

"wff_ng_7" > wrote in message
news:GTSLh.8134$EA.1020@trnddc07...
> Just for comparison, I took a look at an 8 piece All Clad stainless set
> vs. open stock at Chefs Catalog. The set price was $450. The total open
> stock price was $645 ($50 + $105 + $140 + $155 + $195). From this, one can
> see that one or two pans could be tossed away and you'd still come out
> ahead.

Just a thought... from time to time I notice those extra pots & pans that
were originally sold in a set on eBay (not that I believe that you'd really
toss away a good pan

Sharon

"SBarbour" > wrote:
> "wff_ng_7" > wrote in message
> news:GTSLh.8134$EA.1020@trnddc07...
>> Just for comparison, I took a look at an 8 piece All Clad stainless set
>> vs. open stock at Chefs Catalog. The set price was $450. The total open
>> stock price was $645 ($50 + $105 + $140 + $155 + $195). From this, one
>> can see that one or two pans could be tossed away and you'd still come
>> out ahead.
>
> Just a thought... from time to time I notice those extra pots & pans that
> were originally sold in a set on eBay (not that I believe that you'd
> really toss away a good pan

That's a good idea, though it wasn't an option when I bought my All Clad set
over a dozen years ago. Ebay didn't exist yet! ;-) I do find occasional uses
for that one extra stock pot, it's not that odd ball of a piece. The other
thing I've found is people's cooking interests change, and things that you
think you might not use later come in quite handy.

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:56:47 GMT, "wff_ng_7" >
wrote:

>"SBarbour" > wrote:

>> Just a thought... from time to time I notice those extra pots & pans that
>> were originally sold in a set on eBay (not that I believe that you'd
>> really toss away a good pan
>
>That's a good idea, though it wasn't an option when I bought my All Clad set
>over a dozen years ago. Ebay didn't exist yet! ;-) I do find occasional uses
>for that one extra stock pot, it's not that odd ball of a piece.

There is an outlet of All-Clad, where I have gotten several pieces.
They are seconds, but I can't find anything wrong with them,and I cook
with them constantly. I think they are now having a sale: I just
got one of their flyers.

http://www.cookwarenmore.com/

I have never gotten my All-Clad full price. I first started getting
it back in the later 80s, when I heard it talked about on a radio food
program in the SF bay area. One of the stores there in the bay area,
Whole Earth Access (now defunct) had this line, and it was deeply
discounted.

I bought a pan or two, and and fell in love with it. I did buy a
set at one time a few years later, from Bed Bath and Beyond. At that
time, BB&B hadn't evolved to the store they are now, and I could get a
really good deal on this cookware. And over the years, I have added
to my collection with an odd piece here and there.

I love the pans. They cook very well, and evenly. No hot spots. And
they clean up like a breeze.

I get the cheapest line, the Masterchef, which works really well for
me.

Christine

On Mar 20, 5:13 am, Boron Elgar > wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:37:01 -0500, Uncle Paul >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hi,
>
> >I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> >with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>
> >$500-$700 is a lot for a set of pans. Demeyere has a 30 year
> >warranty. Not bad. Of course I could buy 5 sets of the "mid-range"
> >stuff and 10 of the cheap stuff over 30 years.
>
> >If they really are better to cook with, I'll buy a set. I'm buying
> >new anyway to switch to induction. I prefer all stainless. Am I nuts
> >for considering spending this much? I do love cooking and am getting
> >serious about it.
>
> >Thanks in advance!
> >Paul
>
> If you are near a Costco, you might want to check into their Kirkland
> brand. The quality is excellent and their return policy generous. And
> Consumer Reports names the set a "Best Buy."
>
> Boron- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for your input- I was looking at those last time I was there,
and am planning on buying a set this weekend after I get my tax
return.

> There is an outlet of All-Clad, where I have gotten several pieces.
> They are seconds, but I can't find anything wrong with them,and I cook
> with them constantly. I think they are now having a sale: I just
> got one of their flyers.
>
> http://www.cookwarenmore.com/
>
> I have never gotten my All-Clad full price. I first started getting
> it back in the later 80s, when I heard it talked about on a radio food
> program in the SF bay area. One of the stores there in the bay area,
> Whole Earth Access (now defunct) had this line, and it was deeply
> discounted.
>
> I bought a pan or two, and and fell in love with it. I did buy a
> set at one time a few years later, from Bed Bath and Beyond. At that
> time, BB&B hadn't evolved to the store they are now, and I could get a
> really good deal on this cookware. And over the years, I have added
> to my collection with an odd piece here and there.
>
> I love the pans. They cook very well, and evenly. No hot spots. And
> they clean up like a breeze.
>
> I get the cheapest line, the Masterchef, which works really well for
> me.
>
> Christine

I too am very fond of most of my All-Clad. I have almost all stainless
because I like to put it in the dishwasher. I have purchased any number of
items from the Cookware & More people and found them to be great to deal
with.

My verdict on the nonstick is not very good, especially on items I use
constantly. I bought the square (11" I think) griddle and it had constant
usage and then began to stick.

On Mar 20, 12:50 pm, "wff_ng_7" > wrote:

>
> Just as a point of information, I'm not so sure I'd say that All Clad
> "makes" Emerilware. I'd more say they designed it with input from Emeril,
> and contract it out (in China, from what I recall). Some All Clad branded
> products (utensils, aluminum disk bottom cookware) is also contracted out.

A few weeks ago I bought a 12" ss Emeril frypan/skillet. It is
allright, but compared to the quality of the Kirkland ss that I bought
the 'whole set' I feel that the Kirkland, made in Italy (so it says on
the bottom of the pans) is much better.

I bought from Kirkland this weekend a 5.5 qt. Tramontina pan. It is
tri-clad. It compares so far IMO with the Kirkland ss pans.
Beautifully made, heavy as heck, says made in Brazil.

I'm wanting a 14" ss skillet and I have been "mildly' thinking about
All-Clad since I know I'll not buy a 14" Emeril skillet now. The
Emeril skillet is just not heavy enough for me.

But most of all, since 14" skillets are becoming more available, I may
wait (and I have plenty of time:-))) for Costco to come out with a
Tramontina 14", but only if it is the same quality as the ones I
mentioned above.

I prefer sets 'for starters.' I did buy a set about 2 years previous
to the ss Kirkland pans, which they were selling. They were non-
stick. They will go to the Salvation Army, but who knows, perhaps
they will not want them either. I thought about keeping the lids to
them, but then I thought, what kind of 'gift' is that.

> Not that Emerilware isn't great cookware, it just might not have been made
> by who you thought.
>
> The Menu Foods thing with the pet food ought to be a lesson to us all. You
> really don't know who is making a product these days (unless you research it
> thoroughly). Initially it was thought that Menu Foods was confined to store
> brands, with some people on their high horse stating that the vaunted pet
> food brands that they used (such as Iams or Eukanuba) would never have such
> problems. It seems that names don't mean much these days, EVERYTHING is
> contracted out! ;-)

Years ago, owning a couple of Akitas and cherishing them very much, I
cooked kidneys, chickens, etc for them, but I also fed them Eukanuba
when convenient. I only wanted the best for feeding and keeping my
doggies healthy. People really have a problem with their own food --
and now their pet food!

Being cautious and informed sometimes just doesn't help.
>
> --
> wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

On Mar 20, 1:08 pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> There is an outlet of All-Clad, where I have gotten several pieces.
> They are seconds, but I can't find anything wrong with them,and I cook
> with them constantly. I think they are now having a sale: I just
> got one of their flyers.
>
> http://www.cookwarenmore.com/


Thanks for the infomation. Looks like good prices. I notice that they
are in Pennsylvania. Didn't one poster say that they used to be made
in Pennsylvania, or initially. Times change.

>
> I have never gotten my All-Clad full price. I first started getting
> it back in the later 80s, when I heard it talked about on a radio food
> program in the SF bay area. One of the stores there in the bay area,
> Whole Earth Access (now defunct) had this line, and it was deeply
> discounted.
>
> I bought a pan or two, and and fell in love with it. I did buy a

"Christine Dabney" > wrote:
> There is an outlet of All-Clad, where I have gotten several pieces.
> They are seconds, but I can't find anything wrong with them,and I cook
> with them constantly. I think they are now having a sale: I just
> got one of their flyers.
>
> http://www.cookwarenmore.com/

I agree, seconds are a good way to get better cookware cheaper. Often it's
just scratches, which are bound to happen anyway with use. I do like to see
the item first hand though. I've bought seconds at a Le Creuset outlet
store, and chose from among several for what flaw least bothered me.
Enameled cast iron might be a special case, since the flaws may detract more
from the appearance. I see the store you mentioned will accept returns if
you don't like the imperfection in what you got.

> I love the pans. They cook very well, and evenly. No hot spots. And
> they clean up like a breeze.
>
> I get the cheapest line, the Masterchef, which works really well for
> me.

I got the LTD line, but perhaps wished I had gotten one of the other lines.
The exterior of the LTD line does not clean up like a breeze. It has a matte
finish outside, which tends to hold grease, which can then get "burned on"
(discolored) if not thoroughly removed. It also picks up silver marks from
rubbing into metal objects. But after getting the first LTD pieces, I had to
continue with that theme... like Sheldon said, it needs to match my panties!
;-) Wait... I wear tighty whiteys... maybe I should have gotten
Corningware???

--
wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net

In article <JhULh.9685$8B1.6193@trnddc04>,
"wff_ng_7" > wrote:

> "Nancy2" > wrote:
> > All-Clad makes Emerilware - sold at department stores, usually, for
> > less money - and it is great! Mine is all stainless with heavy
> > layered bottoms and clear glass lids. All-Clad honors the warranty
> > for Emerilware. It cleans up beautifully and easily. I have a 10-
> > piece set, brand-new, that I got for $150 on eBay (from a seller with
> > a great feedback rating), and recently purchased a 1-quart saucepan
> > for $15 during a department store sale.
>
> Just as a point of information, I'm not so sure I'd say that All Clad
> "makes" Emerilware. I'd more say they designed it with input from Emeril,
> and contract it out (in China, from what I recall). Some All Clad branded
> products (utensils, aluminum disk bottom cookware) is also contracted out.

At least some is made in Korea:

<http://www.amazon.com/Emerilware-Nonstick-12-Inch-Fry-Pan/dp/B00005AL10>

"Dee Dee" > wrote:
> Thanks for the infomation. Looks like good prices. I notice that they
> are in Pennsylvania. Didn't one poster say that they used to be made
> in Pennsylvania, or initially. Times change.

I spread that rumor! ;-) All Clad is in Canonsburg, out west near
Pittsburgh. Cookware & More is in Trooper, near Philadelphia. Just a
coincidence that both are in Pennsylvania. Cookware & More sells other
brands beside All Clad.

All Clad got it's big start not making cookware, but by making composite
metal ("clad") sheets, and selling them to the US Mint to make coins. That's
where the copper cored quarters and dimes in the 1960s originated. (See
http://www.all-clad.com/about-all-clad/Our-History/)

I'm a great one for wanting to know a company's history and where things are
made. One thing I think is kind of funny is I've got a Cannondale bag for my
bike that I've had for many, many years. So old in fact (1980) that it
predates Cannondale making bicycles. They were a bicycle accessory company
first, a fact that many Cannondale bike owners are totally unaware of.

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On Mar 20, 2:05 pm, Emma Thackery > wrote:
> In article <JhULh.9685$8B1.6193@trnddc04>,
>
> "wff_ng_7" > wrote:
> > "Nancy2" > wrote:
> > > All-Clad makes Emerilware - sold at department stores, usually, for
> > > less money - and it is great! Mine is all stainless with heavy
> > > layered bottoms and clear glass lids. All-Clad honors the warranty
> > > for Emerilware. It cleans up beautifully and easily. I have a 10-
> > > piece set, brand-new, that I got for $150 on eBay (from a seller with
> > > a great feedback rating), and recently purchased a 1-quart saucepan
> > > for $15 during a department store sale.
>
> > Just as a point of information, I'm not so sure I'd say that All Clad
> > "makes" Emerilware. I'd more say they designed it with input from Emeril,
> > and contract it out (in China, from what I recall). Some All Clad branded
> > products (utensils, aluminum disk bottom cookware) is also contracted out.
>
> At least some is made in Korea:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Emerilware-Nonstick-12-Inch-Fry-Pan/dp/B00005AL10>

I don't care where it is made. I had an appearance problem with a
small stock pot and sent it to All-Clad, who replaced it within a
week. If All-Clad isn't making Emerilware, they wouldn't be replacing
Emeril's pots and pans. Just making a deal doesn't quite cut it.

My pans are very, very heavy - I don't know if there are different
grades of E-ware, but I can tell you that the only thing heavier than
my ss frypan would be a cast iron one.

To each his own....I gave you my experience. Y'all can do what you
are comfortable with. I know I made an excellent choice. (And the
set I bought as a "set" had identical sizes/shapes, etc., as the
variety of brands I had collected over the years, which weren't
stainless steel, which is why I changed.)

N.

"Emma Thackery" > wrote:
> "wff_ng_7" > wrote:
>> Just as a point of information, I'm not so sure I'd say that All Clad
>> "makes" Emerilware. I'd more say they designed it with input from Emeril,
>> and contract it out (in China, from what I recall). Some All Clad branded
>> products (utensils, aluminum disk bottom cookware) is also contracted
>> out.
>
> At least some is made in Korea:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Emerilware-Nonstick-12-Inch-Fry-Pan/dp/B00005AL10>

Very interesting. I hadn't noticed that "country of manufacture" information
before on Amazon. Looks like it is on some, but not all items.

I guess a lot of people couldn't care less where something is made, but I do
for several reasons, one of which is sheer curiosity. The other day my
mother mentioned the outrage she felt in the 1960s to learn that products
with American names on them were assembled out of Japanese parts. She
brought up the example of my first transistor radio, made by Zenith. When
you took the back cover off to put the batteries in, so many of the
electronics components said "Japan" on them! ;-)

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"Nancy2" > wrote:
> I don't care where it is made. I had an appearance problem with a
> small stock pot and sent it to All-Clad, who replaced it within a
> week. If All-Clad isn't making Emerilware, they wouldn't be replacing
> Emeril's pots and pans. Just making a deal doesn't quite cut it.
>
> My pans are very, very heavy - I don't know if there are different
> grades of E-ware, but I can tell you that the only thing heavier than
> my ss frypan would be a cast iron one.

I've looked at Emerilware, and I agree it's good stuff. I might be wrong on
whether it's made by an All Clad subsidiary in Korea, or contracted to a
Korean company. The example of if All Clad didn't make it, they wouldn't
replace it isn't valid. The best example of that is Sears major appliances
under the Kenmore name. Sears doesn't make any of it, and never has. But
they stand behind it. Lots of companies act as distributors for other
companies products. Often the distributor stands behind the product and
handles all warranty issues.

Brand names are thrown around quite a bit these days. It seems as if some
companies will license the use of their name on almost any product. Some of
the ones I find more humorous are the Jeep and Caterpillar clothing items.
These two don't license condoms under their names yet, but maybe they
should. Jeep and Caterpillar project a virile image, don't they? ;-)

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On Mar 20, 3:20 pm, "wff_ng_7" > wrote:
> "Dee Dee" > wrote:
> > Thanks for the infomation. Looks like good prices. I notice that they
> > are in Pennsylvania. Didn't one poster say that they used to be made
> > in Pennsylvania, or initially. Times change.
>
> I spread that rumor! ;-) All Clad is in Canonsburg, out west near
> Pittsburgh. Cookware & More is in Trooper, near Philadelphia. Just a
> coincidence that both are in Pennsylvania. Cookware & More sells other
> brands beside All Clad.
>
> All Clad got it's big start not making cookware, but by making composite
> metal ("clad") sheets, and selling them to the US Mint to make coins. That's
> where the copper cored quarters and dimes in the 1960s originated. (Seehttp://www.all-clad.com/about-all-clad/Our-History/)
>
> I'm a great one for wanting to know a company's history and where things are
> made. One thing I think is kind of funny is I've got a Cannondale bag for my
> bike that I've had for many, many years. So old in fact (1980) that it
> predates Cannondale making bicycles. They were a bicycle accessory company
> first, a fact that many Cannondale bike owners are totally unaware of.
>
> --
> wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net


Yes, I remembered you had written that, but am glad you reiterated
that you had.

I can tell you are curious, which is a great quality.


Dee Dee

wff_ng_7 wrote:
> "Dee Dee" > wrote:
>> Thanks for the infomation. Looks like good prices. I notice that they
>> are in Pennsylvania. Didn't one poster say that they used to be made
>> in Pennsylvania, or initially. Times change.
>
> I spread that rumor! ;-) All Clad is in Canonsburg, out west near
> Pittsburgh. Cookware & More is in Trooper, near Philadelphia. Just a
> coincidence that both are in Pennsylvania. Cookware & More sells other
> brands beside All Clad.
>
> All Clad got it's big start not making cookware, but by making composite
> metal ("clad") sheets, and selling them to the US Mint to make coins.
> That's where the copper cored quarters and dimes in the 1960s
> originated. (See http://www.all-clad.com/about-all-clad/Our-History/)
>
> I'm a great one for wanting to know a company's history and where things
> are made. One thing I think is kind of funny is I've got a Cannondale
> bag for my bike that I've had for many, many years. So old in fact
> (1980) that it predates Cannondale making bicycles. They were a bicycle
> accessory company first, a fact that many Cannondale bike owners are
> totally unaware of.
>
FYI, All-clad is still in Canonsburg, with a nice duck pond on the
factory property (at least it was there a few years ago). They still
hold "factory" sales twice a year (spring and fall) for a weekend where
they take over the lower level of the grandstand structure at the
Meadows harness race track a few miles away. At the sales, they also
often have other items that are not in their general list of offerings.

The sales are for at least 50% off retail (although years ago one of my
neighbors picked up some pans that had been varnished [why??] for 90%
off, then stripped off the varnish). They run all day friday and
saturday, and usually draw quite a crowd.

Joe

In article . com>,
"Nancy2" > wrote:

> On Mar 20, 2:05 pm, Emma Thackery > wrote:
> > In article <JhULh.9685$8B1.6193@trnddc04>,
> >
> > "wff_ng_7" > wrote:

> > > "Nancy2" > wrote:
> > > > All-Clad makes Emerilware.....
> >
> > > Just as a point of information, I'm not so sure I'd say that All Clad
> > > "makes" Emerilware....
> >
> > At least some is made in Korea:
> >
> > <http://www.amazon.com/Emerilware-Nonstick-12-Inch-Fry-Pan/dp/B00005AL10>
>
> I don't care where it is made.... [...]

Where something is made is merely one relevant piece of information
about the product. Non-US production does not necessarily imply low
quality anymore than US production guarantees high quality. Some people
prefer not to buy articles from certain countries, however, especially
those countries that employ child & slave labor--- and there are still
many that do btw. Certain countries may also have a reputation for
producing specific kinds of products of either low or high quality. For
instance, if you wanted a really high quality long staple cotton, Egypt
would be a good source.

Other important factors include, but are not limited to, the reputations
of the manufacturer, seller, and product, materials used to make the
product, and warranty.

Emma

On Mar 20, 1:11 pm, "merryb" > wrote:
> On Mar 20, 5:13 am, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you are near a Costco, you might want to check into their Kirkland
> > brand. The quality is excellent and their return policy generous. And
> > Consumer Reports names the set a "Best Buy."
>
> > Boron- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks for your input- I was looking at those last time I was there,
> and am planning on buying a set this weekend after I get my tax
> return.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You won't be unhappy with their set of stainless steel. I've had that
set for some time now and I'm still thrilled to be using it.

Before you leave, be sure to look at their 5.5 qt. Tramontina pan. It
is tri-ply and beautiful. It will put the icing on your set. It is
such a nominal price that it is hard to believe. $29.99.

Wish you luck,
Dee Dee

"Uncle Paul" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> I am purchasing my first nice cookset. Does anyone have experience
> with the expensive stuff? Is it really worth it?
>

Of course not, but don't let that stop you if you really want it.

The price is too high for what you get, but it is excellent cookware. Each
time the price doubles, the quality/value goes up about 10%.

Be realistic. It may be nice to buy just a sauté pan, but if you are
boiling potatoes, you certainly don't need a high priced All Clad pot for
them. For browning chicken or pork chops, a cast iron pan will serve you
well and you can buy a lot of pork chops with the money left over.

We have an eclectic collection of stuff, from the Farberware set when we
married 41 years ago to Teflon coated pans to cast iron, to triple ply, etc.
It all works, it is all decent quality. IMO, good ingredients and cooking
skills are more important then the price of the pot, but you don't want
cheap junk either.

Thanks everyone for the great advice!

Uncle Paul wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the great advice!

These are the best:
http://www.bakedeco.com/Signature_se...-duraware.html