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On Mar 20, 9:43 am, "Fiestaware" > wrote:
> Since google groups is blocked at work and no nntp access - here is an
> available rec.food.cooking mirror on a website [snip]

Before I retired I would have disciplined, even fired, employees who
used their work time and equipment to read/write on newsgroups. Just
as I disciplined them for playing games. An actual sequence I
remember was:
Tetris (remember that one? Very addictive.) on break time.
Break time extending from 15 minutes to 30.
Admonishment and instruction.
Day off without pay after further extended game playing during
work time.
Week off without pay for same reason.
Disgruntled employee left, feeling abused.
I am confident that all the rfc-ers who post from work are doing it on
their break time..... ;-) -aem

"aem" > wrote

> Before I retired I would have disciplined, even fired, employees who
> used their work time and equipment to read/write on newsgroups. Just
> as I disciplined them for playing games. An actual sequence I
> remember was:
> Tetris (remember that one? Very addictive.) on break time.
> Break time extending from 15 minutes to 30.
> Admonishment and instruction.

That made me laugh. I once worked for a Japanese bank where
all of the managers were men. From Japan. They did not get
American workers at all, even the idea that you might change jobs
was a source of astonishment for them.

Well, we'd get this 15 minute break and I guess breaks were
going over by a few minutes. Believe me, I mean 2 or 3. This
made them annoyed. The solution was, they bought a bell and
they would ring it when it was time for us to get back to work.

They rang it that first day. One look at the others from nancy
and no one moved. That was it for the bell.

> Day off without pay after further extended game playing during
> work time.
> Week off without pay for same reason.
> Disgruntled employee left, feeling abused.
> I am confident that all the rfc-ers who post from work are doing it on
> their break time..... ;-)

Break time doesn't mean much anymore in a lot of places.
Clock watching doesn't mean anything is getting done. If people
are getting their assignments done, on time and accurately, then
who's it hurting if they play a little solitaire on their down time.

If someone isn't getting their work done, that's a whole nother
matter.

nancy

In article >,
"Fiestaware" > wrote:

> Since google groups is blocked at work and no nntp access - here is an
> available rec.food.cooking mirror on a website
>
> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=122

Oh cool! Google groups is blocked where I work too. :-)

I'll send this to my e-mail there and check it out tonight!
--
Peace, Om

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"Fiestaware" > wrote in message
...
> Since google groups is blocked at work and no nntp access - here is an
> available rec.food.cooking mirror on a website
>
> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=122


Many phpBB forums are spammed like crazy. Now when they spam your forum we
will see here too. Thanks!

Nancy Young wrote:
> "aem" > wrote
>
>> Before I retired I would have disciplined, even fired, employees who
>> used their work time and equipment to read/write on newsgroups. Just
>> as I disciplined them for playing games. An actual sequence I
>> remember was:
>> Tetris (remember that one? Very addictive.) on break time.
>> Break time extending from 15 minutes to 30.
>> Admonishment and instruction.
>
> Well, we'd get this 15 minute break and I guess breaks were
> going over by a few minutes. Believe me, I mean 2 or 3. This
> made them annoyed. The solution was, they bought a bell and
> they would ring it when it was time for us to get back to work.
>
> They rang it that first day. One look at the others from nancy
> and no one moved. That was it for the bell.
>
>> Day off without pay after further extended game playing during
>> work time.
>> Week off without pay for same reason.
>> Disgruntled employee left, feeling abused.
>> I am confident that all the rfc-ers who post from work are doing it
>> on their break time..... ;-)
>
> Clock watching doesn't mean anything is getting done. If people
> are getting their assignments done, on time and accurately, then
> who's it hurting if they play a little solitaire on their down time.
>
> If someone isn't getting their work done, that's a whole nother
> matter.
>
And that, unfortunately, is usually the case. At least it was at my last
job. As the senior person in the department it was my job to review the
Level I analyst's support calls and add appropriate notations as to possible
solutions to try. I'd find 25-30 open support calls, often days old with no
additional notes as to any research or attempts at a resolution added since
the initial problem report. These were the same people who would quickly
Alt+Tab if anyone walked by their desk, as if we couldn't see from 2 desks
away they were surfing the web.

This blantant misuse of company time (and equipment) eventually caused the
Infrastructure group to lock out access to a LOT of stuff and absolutely
block anything akin to instant messenger programs. Users without
Administrator rights couldn't install software on their PC's. There were
very few of us with Admin rights. And rightly so, IMHO.

Jill

"Peter" > wrote in message
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>
> "Fiestaware" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Since google groups is blocked at work and no nntp access - here is an
>> available rec.food.cooking mirror on a website
>>
>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=122
>
>
> Many phpBB forums are spammed like crazy. Now when they spam your forum
> we will see here too. Thanks!
>


You are correct. Most PHPBB boards are very open to spam. Usually due to
lazy webmasters and those who have no idea of what they are working with.
Fortunately with our site, this is not the case and not one single piece of
SPAM will reach this group as a result of being posted on our site.

Thanks

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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Break time doesn't mean much anymore in a lot of places.
> Clock watching doesn't mean anything is getting done. If people
> are getting their assignments done, on time and accurately, then
> who's it hurting if they play a little solitaire on their down time.
>
> If someone isn't getting their work done, that's a whole nother
> matter.
>
> nancy

Very true!!!
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> Break time doesn't mean much anymore in a lot of places.
>> Clock watching doesn't mean anything is getting done. If people
>> are getting their assignments done, on time and accurately, then
>> who's it hurting if they play a little solitaire on their down time.
>>
>> If someone isn't getting their work done, that's a whole nother
>> matter.
>>
>> nancy

The typical management response is "they can do even more", but that is
wrong. If you did not take some of the little breaks, you'd probably get
less done because of boredom. I've seen it often, where people can work in
spurts and take a little break and at the end of the day get more done than
the worker that just sticks at it and never looks up.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>>> Break time doesn't mean much anymore in a lot of places.
>>> Clock watching doesn't mean anything is getting done. If people
>>> are getting their assignments done, on time and accurately, then
>>> who's it hurting if they play a little solitaire on their down time.
>>>
>>> If someone isn't getting their work done, that's a whole nother
>>> matter.

> The typical management response is "they can do even more", but that is
> wrong. If you did not take some of the little breaks, you'd probably get
> less done because of boredom. I've seen it often, where people can work
> in spurts and take a little break and at the end of the day get more done
> than the worker that just sticks at it and never looks up.

It's true. I worked very fast, but not for long stretches. It's good
for everyone if different work styles are taken into consideration.
It was my experience that the least productive employees were those
who appeared to be doing everything right. An art form, looking like
you're actually working.

Really, I'm not saying people should spend all day looking at the
Internet or playing games. If someone's a slacker, they should be
called on it. Just that appearances can be very deceiving and it
shouldn't be assumed you're getting less out of that person playing
games on the computer.

nancy

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>>> Break time doesn't mean much anymore in a lot of places.
>>> Clock watching doesn't mean anything is getting done. If people
>>> are getting their assignments done, on time and accurately, then
>>> who's it hurting if they play a little solitaire on their down time.
>>>
>>> If someone isn't getting their work done, that's a whole nother
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> nancy
>
> The typical management response is "they can do even more", but that
> is wrong. If you did not take some of the little breaks, you'd
> probably get less done because of boredom. I've seen it often, where
> people can work in spurts and take a little break and at the end of
> the day get more done than the worker that just sticks at it and
> never looks up.

Yeah, your point is well taken. Those who just sit there working all day
sort of glaze over, if not from boredom than from being tired. In Tennessee
two 15 minute breaks and at *least* a 30 minute lunch break is mandated.

Jill