On Mar 24, 1:43 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Laura" > wrote
>
> > "Puester" > wrote
> >> Cindi wrote:> She grew up in an Italian household. I'd annoyed if she
> >> used an American pronunciation for Italian words.
> > She was born in tally!
>
> Yes, but she doesn't have an Italian accent until she says
> spaGITee.
>
> nancy

I think her recipes are great and her food is good. However, the
camera does sometimes make it look like she has a big head and teeth.
Now Rachel Ray and the latest "whoring" herself out to the media and
snack food producers is really getting to me.

http://cooking4health.com

> wrote

> On Mar 24, 1:43 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> "Laura" > wrote
>>
>> > "Puester" > wrote
>> >> Cindi wrote:> She grew up in an Italian household. I'd annoyed if she
>> >> used an American pronunciation for Italian words.
>> > She was born in tally!
>>
>> Yes, but she doesn't have an Italian accent until she says
>> spaGITee.

> I think her recipes are great and her food is good. However, the
> camera does sometimes make it look like she has a big head and teeth.

I think she's beautiful.

> Now Rachel Ray and the latest "whoring" herself out to the media and
> snack food producers is really getting to me.

You can't take it away from her, she works her ass off.

nancy

In article >,
says...
> > Now Rachel Ray and the latest "whoring" herself out to the media and
> > snack food producers is really getting to me.
>
> You can't take it away from her, she works her ass off.
>
> nancy
>
>
>

Doesn't anybody else see what I see? FoodTV has degenerated into a
personality-fest, pablum for the nitwits, and has almost totally
abandoned the idea of teaching serious cooking to the viewers. There is
a great preference for some inane, perky-titted numbskull over any
serious chef.

Where is Mario Batali? Annoying as he was, he knew his ingredients and
knew how to cook, and one could learn from him. Where is Pepin? He knows
more about cooking than 1000 Rays and Emerils and Giadas and Countesses
and Flays all put together.

FoodTV panders to the lowest level of the audience, and I bet they are
very successful. As H.L. Mwncken said, you'll never go broke
underestimating the taste of the American public.


--
Peter Aitken

Peter A wrote:

> Doesn't anybody else see what I see? FoodTV has degenerated into a
> personality-fest, pablum for the nitwits, and has almost totally
> abandoned the idea of teaching serious cooking to the viewers.

No, I don't see it...because I stopped tuning in about that time. They
lost me a couple of years ago. And apparently they don't care or notice
because they're not doing higher quality shows anymore to cater to folks
like me. They've gone to the lowest common denominator and catered to
the advertisers too much.

"Peter A" > wrote

> says...

>> You can't take it away from her, she works her ass off.

> Doesn't anybody else see what I see? FoodTV has degenerated into a
> personality-fest, pablum for the nitwits, and has almost totally
> abandoned the idea of teaching serious cooking to the viewers. There is
> a great preference for some inane, perky-titted numbskull over any
> serious chef.

People say that all the time. That's been commented on many
times.

> Where is Mario Batali? Annoying as he was, he knew his ingredients and
> knew how to cook, and one could learn from him. Where is Pepin? He knows
> more about cooking than 1000 Rays and Emerils and Giadas and Countesses
> and Flays all put together.

I don't know. It's their stated goal, it's not just cooking. Mario seems
to be on the Iron Chef show, and after watching his Chefography, I have
no idea how he finds time to do that.

> FoodTV panders to the lowest level of the audience, and I bet they are
> very successful. As H.L. Mwncken said, you'll never go broke
> underestimating the taste of the American public.

Americans love to quote that. Usually they mean some American
public that doesn't include themselves, I guess.

nancy

Peter A wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> > > Now Rachel Ray and the latest "whoring" herself out to the media and
> > > snack food producers is really getting to me.
> >
> > You can't take it away from her, she works her ass off.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> >
> >
>
> Doesn't anybody else see what I see? FoodTV has degenerated into a
> personality-fest, pablum for the nitwits, and has almost totally
> abandoned the idea of teaching serious cooking to the viewers. There is
> a great preference for some inane, perky-titted numbskull over any
> serious chef.
>
> Where is Mario Batali? Annoying as he was, he knew his ingredients and
> knew how to cook, and one could learn from him. Where is Pepin? He knows
> more about cooking than 1000 Rays and Emerils and Giadas and Countesses
> and Flays all put together.
>
> FoodTV panders to the lowest level of the audience, and I bet they are
> very successful. As H.L. Mwncken said, you'll never go broke
> underestimating the taste of the American public.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken


Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
just the ticket. I don't use unusual ingredients and don't do complex
recipes. I pick and choose which recipe will work for me and my family
and some of them come from these shows. I like "Made to Order", but my
family isn't fond of those type of dishes. They kind of laugh at these
plates shown with a little mound of food in the middle and a stripe of
garnish across the bare spots. I don't do many sauces, since they add
extra fat/sodium/sugar in most cases. I do like Mario Batali.
.......Sharon

biig wrote:

>
> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
> posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
> just the ticket.

Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
FoodTV these days.

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>biig wrote:
>
>>
>> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
>> posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
>> just the ticket.
>
>Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
>the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
>seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
>PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
>reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
>FoodTV these days.


Sadly, the previous Food TV audience was too small (and often too old)
to get Food TV the advertisers they want. They dropped what wasn't hot
and upped and copied what was.

PBS is supported by viewers directly to a great extent, and not nearly
as much by advertising of the sort you see on Food TV. Many of the
programs come in with their own sponsors and these sponsors seek users
of their products in a tight, niche way.

When it is pledge week up here (we have access to 3 PBS stations, NY,
Long Island & NJ, each of them tailors their pledge drive programming
to niche markets. One night they have a program about Jewish
immigration and the lower East Side, the next night it is opera or
ballet, the nest is pitched to animal lovers, another night to
Riverdance or it's latest equivalent, one of them ran a terrific
Polish singing and dance group this past month for pledge. All niche
marketing. 'Tis the way of the world.

There isn't that much of a reward to be reaped by Food TV with serious
cooking programs, if there were, you'd see more of them. It is wholly
market driven, and it is profitable for them that way. Not my cup of
tea, but whatcha gonna do?



Boron

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> biig wrote:
>
> >
> > Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
> > posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
> > just the ticket.
>
> Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
> the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
> seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
> PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
> reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
> FoodTV these days.

I agree with that, but then, they're scheduling for the masses. I'd
also like to see some of the other shows that have been taken off. I
watch the shows on PBS too. Lidia and Ming especially. In Canada, we
don't get Sandra Lee (a blessing from what I've been reading here..lol)
but we do have a few good Canadian shows. Chef at Home is one. He makes
food that isn't too complex. Ricardo and Friends is another....Sharon

Sharon wrote:

> I agree with that, but then, they're scheduling for the masses. I'd
> also like to see some of the other shows that have been taken off. I
> watch the shows on PBS too. Lidia and Ming especially. In Canada, we
> don't get Sandra Lee (a blessing from what I've been reading here..lol)
> but we do have a few good Canadian shows. Chef at Home is one. He makes
> food that isn't too complex. Ricardo and Friends is another....Sharon


On PBS I watch America's Test Kitchen and sometimes Martin Yan's Chinatown.
Every now and then I watch the old episodes of East Meets West or Epicurious
on the Travel Channel. On the Food Network, I read the previews and if they
interest me I'll record any of the following: Essence of Emeril, Good Eats,
Everyday Italian, Molto Mario, 30-Minute Meals, and Guy's Big Bite. On rare
occasions I'll watch episodes of Sara's Secrets or the Surreal Gourmet. I
always enjoy watching Iron Chef America. I watched Dinner: Impossible a few
times and decided that it wasn't for me.

Bob

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>biig wrote:
>
>>
>> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
>> posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
>> just the ticket.
>
>Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
>the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
>seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
>PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
>reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
>FoodTV these days.

I don't think it's a "lower level". People these days don't want to
make everything from scratch, so these show tell you how to do it
faster. If you want to make the marinara from scratch, no one is
holding a gun to your head saying "open a jar".

OTOH: I'd like to see more shows for beginners. I learned to cook
from Julia Child and The Galloping Gourment (Graham Kerr). When I
think of it, I still turn to Public Television for a dose of Lidia....
who is a fantastic cook and makes it easy for beginners.

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sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:50:05 -0400, Goomba38 >
> wrote:
>
> >biig wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
> >> posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
> >> just the ticket.
> >
> >Then they've lost a large segment of their previous audience by losing
> >the shows that experienced cooks/diners would be more apt to enjoy. They
> >seem to have brought the entire schedule down to a lower level of fare.
> >PBS and a few random other shows found elsewhere must be reaping the
> >reward of this limited vision as they do provide the variety missing on
> >FoodTV these days.
>
> I don't think it's a "lower level". People these days don't want to
> make everything from scratch, so these show tell you how to do it
> faster. If you want to make the marinara from scratch, no one is
> holding a gun to your head saying "open a jar".
>
> OTOH: I'd like to see more shows for beginners. I learned to cook
> from Julia Child and The Galloping Gourment (Graham Kerr). When I
> think of it, I still turn to Public Television for a dose of Lidia....
> who is a fantastic cook and makes it easy for beginners.
>
> --
> See return address to reply by email

I loved Graham Kerr, but don't get his show here.....Sharon

"biig" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
> posters here?

Ever think that many posters here are totally undeserving of the homage some
give them? The are just a bunch of uncouth yahoo's as well who pick there teeth
at the table..

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:56:25 -0400, "Laura"
> wrote:

>
>"biig" > wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
>> posters here?
>
>Ever think that many posters here are totally undeserving of the homage some
>give them? The are just a bunch of uncouth yahoo's as well who pick there teeth
>at the table..
>

Taking staw from mouth and hayseed from ear..... HUH?

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:48:39 -0500, biig > wrote:
>
> Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
>posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
>just the ticket. I don't use unusual ingredients and don't do complex
>recipes. I pick and choose which recipe will work for me and my family
>and some of them come from these shows. I like "Made to Order", but my
>family isn't fond of those type of dishes. They kind of laugh at these
>plates shown with a little mound of food in the middle and a stripe of
>garnish across the bare spots. I don't do many sauces, since they add
>extra fat/sodium/sugar in most cases. I do like Mario Batali.

Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
favorites.

Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
Bobby... you can afford it.

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sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:48:39 -0500, biig > wrote:
> >
> > Ever think that most of the population isn't as gourmet as many
> >posters here? For anyone just starting out some of these shows may be
> >just the ticket. I don't use unusual ingredients and don't do complex
> >recipes. I pick and choose which recipe will work for me and my family
> >and some of them come from these shows. I like "Made to Order", but my
> >family isn't fond of those type of dishes. They kind of laugh at these
> >plates shown with a little mound of food in the middle and a stripe of
> >garnish across the bare spots. I don't do many sauces, since they add
> >extra fat/sodium/sugar in most cases. I do like Mario Batali.
>
> Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
> Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
> favorites.
>
> Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
> like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
> Bobby... you can afford it.
>
> --
> See return address to reply by email

We don't get Robin Miller....Sharon

sf wrote:

> Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
> like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
> Bobby... you can afford it.
>
LOL.. I never noticed an articulation problem. He sounds fine to me <shrug>
Tyler Florence and Alton Brown are still some of my faves though.

On Mar 25, 2:26 pm, Goomba38 > wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
> > like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
> > Bobby... you can afford it.
>
> LOL.. I never noticed an articulation problem. He sounds fine to me <shrug>
> Tyler Florence and Alton Brown are still some of my faves though.

Flay has very serious pronunciation problems. He pronounces rs as ws
(e.g., he pronounces "cream" as "cweem"), just like Wacko Jacko. And
he completely mangles some words; I've heard him pronounce "customers"
as "cutchmers." He has problems with syntax too. He's the worst
speaker on the channel.

sf wrote:

> Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
> Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
> favorites.

I totally gave Quick Fix Meals the benefit of the doubt, and recorded show
after show, but finally came to the conclusion that it's barely a step up
from Semi-Homemade, and has nothing of interest to me.


> Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
> like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
> Bobby... you can afford it.

I think Bobby Flay is finally starting to loosen up. I saw him as a guest on
"Emeril Live," and actually enjoyed the show for once. Despite his
reputation as a one-trick Southwestern pony, on "Iron Chef America" I've
seen him come up with very innovative dishes borrowing from many different
cuisines. I like him more these days than I did in the past. (Comment on
his articulation follows in a later post.)

Bob

On Mar 25, 9:22 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
> > Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
> > favorites.
>
> I totally gave Quick Fix Meals the benefit of the doubt, and recorded show
> after show, but finally came to the conclusion that it's barely a step up
> from Semi-Homemade, and has nothing of interest to me.
>
> > Bobby Flay is ok, but his articulation problem annoys me more than I
> > like his cooking, if you get my drift. Go to a speech therapist,
> > Bobby... you can afford it.
>
> I think Bobby Flay is finally starting to loosen up. I saw him as a guest on
> "Emeril Live," and actually enjoyed the show for once. Despite his
> reputation as a one-trick Southwestern pony, on "Iron Chef America" I've
> seen him come up with very innovative dishes borrowing from many different
> cuisines. I like him more these days than I did in the past. (Comment on
> his articulation follows in a later post.)

Bobby Flay has gotten better on Iron Chef America. For the longest
time, he seemed to prepare virtually the same set of dishes each time,
and it was extremely annoying. He has become less predictable
recently.

There's no way I could sit through Flay's own shows, though.

On Mar 25, 9:22 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > Have you seen Quick Fix Meals with Robin Miller? That and Easy
> > Entertaining with that studmuffin, Michael Chiarello, are my two
> > favorites.
>
> I totally gave Quick Fix Meals the benefit of the doubt, and recorded show
> after show, but finally came to the conclusion that it's barely a step up

How do you ever get past those googly-eyes? It makes me shudder to
watch her. Well, the eyes plus all the cross-contamination she
produces in her demonstrations....

N.

wrote:
> On Mar 24, 1:43 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> "Laura" > wrote
>>
>>> "Puester" > wrote
>>>> Cindi wrote:> She grew up in an Italian household. I'd annoyed if
>>>> she used an American pronunciation for Italian words.
>>> She was born in tally!
>>
>> Yes, but she doesn't have an Italian accent until she says
>> spaGITee.
>>
>> nancy
>
> I think her recipes are great and her food is good. However, the
> camera does sometimes make it look like she has a big head and teeth.
> Now Rachel Ray and the latest "whoring" herself out to the media and
> snack food producers is really getting to me.
>
> http://cooking4health.com

You could stop whoring that cooking4health website, dipwad. I'm about to
killfile the entire gmail domain again.