On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
> The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
> leeching citizens anymore.
>
> "Build it and they won't come"
>
> MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico asked President Bush on Monday to veto
> a
> Senate plan to build a border fence to keep illegal immigrants out,
> but
> acknowledged that its plea was likely to fall on deaf ears.
>
> The U.S. Senate on Friday overwhelmingly backed a bill to put up
> about
> 700 miles of fence, a project Republicans hope will impress voters
> calling for tougher immigration control ahead of November 7
> congressional elections.
>
> "The Mexican government strongly opposes the building of walls in the
> border area between Mexico and the United States," President Vicente
> Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters.
>
> "This decision hurts bilateral relations, goes against the spirit of
> cooperation needed to guarantee security on the common border,
> creates
> a climate of tension in border communities," he said.
>
> Aguilar said Mexico would send a diplomatic note to Washington on
> Monday urging Bush to veto the bill, which requires the president's
> signature to become law.
>
> Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the chance of Bush
> vetoing the bill was very slim, as the U.S. president has already
> said
> he would not take that step.
>
> "I would say it is almost nil," Derbez told Mexican radio. "What we
> want to do is simply make our position clear."
>
> Bush had hoped for broad immigration legislation that would create a
> guest-worker program, which would match workers with jobs Americans
> are
> unwilling to do. But House of Representatives Republicans had pushed
> for greater emphasis on sealing the porous frontier.
>
> Mexicans are livid about the fence plan, which is seen as a slap in
> the
> face to efforts during Fox's near-completed six-year term to come to
> an
> agreement with Washington on immigration.
>
> President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on December 1, also
> has lambasted the fence plan and the issue promises to prickle his
> relationship with Washington from the outset.
>
> Hundreds of Latin Americans, mostly Mexicans, die each year crossing
> perilous rivers and deserts separating the two countries, and tougher
> control has increased fatalities.

Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.

greg

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
>> The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
>> leeching citizens anymore.
>>
>> "Build it and they won't come"
>>
>> MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico asked President Bush on Monday to veto
>> a
>> Senate plan to build a border fence to keep illegal immigrants out,
>> but
>> acknowledged that its plea was likely to fall on deaf ears.
>>
>> The U.S. Senate on Friday overwhelmingly backed a bill to put up
>> about
>> 700 miles of fence, a project Republicans hope will impress voters
>> calling for tougher immigration control ahead of November 7
>> congressional elections.
>>
>> "The Mexican government strongly opposes the building of walls in the
>> border area between Mexico and the United States," President Vicente
>> Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters.
>>
>> "This decision hurts bilateral relations, goes against the spirit of
>> cooperation needed to guarantee security on the common border,
>> creates
>> a climate of tension in border communities," he said.
>>
>> Aguilar said Mexico would send a diplomatic note to Washington on
>> Monday urging Bush to veto the bill, which requires the president's
>> signature to become law.
>>
>> Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the chance of Bush
>> vetoing the bill was very slim, as the U.S. president has already
>> said
>> he would not take that step.
>>
>> "I would say it is almost nil," Derbez told Mexican radio. "What we
>> want to do is simply make our position clear."
>>
>> Bush had hoped for broad immigration legislation that would create a
>> guest-worker program, which would match workers with jobs Americans
>> are
>> unwilling to do. But House of Representatives Republicans had pushed
>> for greater emphasis on sealing the porous frontier.
>>
>> Mexicans are livid about the fence plan, which is seen as a slap in
>> the
>> face to efforts during Fox's near-completed six-year term to come to
>> an
>> agreement with Washington on immigration.
>>
>> President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on December 1, also
>> has lambasted the fence plan and the issue promises to prickle his
>> relationship with Washington from the outset.
>>
>> Hundreds of Latin Americans, mostly Mexicans, die each year crossing
>> perilous rivers and deserts separating the two countries, and tougher
>> control has increased fatalities.
>
> Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
> lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
> for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
> aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
> butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.

Shoot to kill - with an unsecured border you don't know who is infiltrating
or for what purpose.

Dr. zara wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
>>> The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
>>> leeching citizens anymore.
>>>
>>> "Build it and they won't come"
>>>
>>> MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico asked President Bush on Monday to veto
>>> a
>>> Senate plan to build a border fence to keep illegal immigrants out,
>>> but
>>> acknowledged that its plea was likely to fall on deaf ears.
>>>
>>> The U.S. Senate on Friday overwhelmingly backed a bill to put up
>>> about
>>> 700 miles of fence, a project Republicans hope will impress voters
>>> calling for tougher immigration control ahead of November 7
>>> congressional elections.
>>>
>>> "The Mexican government strongly opposes the building of walls in the
>>> border area between Mexico and the United States," President Vicente
>>> Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters.
>>>
>>> "This decision hurts bilateral relations, goes against the spirit of
>>> cooperation needed to guarantee security on the common border,
>>> creates
>>> a climate of tension in border communities," he said.
>>>
>>> Aguilar said Mexico would send a diplomatic note to Washington on
>>> Monday urging Bush to veto the bill, which requires the president's
>>> signature to become law.
>>>
>>> Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the chance of Bush
>>> vetoing the bill was very slim, as the U.S. president has already
>>> said
>>> he would not take that step.
>>>
>>> "I would say it is almost nil," Derbez told Mexican radio. "What we
>>> want to do is simply make our position clear."
>>>
>>> Bush had hoped for broad immigration legislation that would create a
>>> guest-worker program, which would match workers with jobs Americans
>>> are
>>> unwilling to do. But House of Representatives Republicans had pushed
>>> for greater emphasis on sealing the porous frontier.
>>>
>>> Mexicans are livid about the fence plan, which is seen as a slap in
>>> the
>>> face to efforts during Fox's near-completed six-year term to come to
>>> an
>>> agreement with Washington on immigration.
>>>
>>> President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on December 1, also
>>> has lambasted the fence plan and the issue promises to prickle his
>>> relationship with Washington from the outset.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of Latin Americans, mostly Mexicans, die each year crossing
>>> perilous rivers and deserts separating the two countries, and tougher
>>> control has increased fatalities.
>> Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
>> lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
>> for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
>> aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
>> butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.
>
> Shoot to kill - with an unsecured border you don't know who is infiltrating
> or for what purpose.
>
>
Come on, people, trim your posts! sheesh

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:22:38 -0400, "Dr. zara" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
>>> The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
>>> leeching citizens anymore.
>>>
>>> "Build it and they won't come"
>>>
>>
>> Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
>> lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
>> for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
>> aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
>> butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.
>
>Shoot to kill - with an unsecured border you don't know who is infiltrating
>or for what purpose.
>

that's right. these wily wetbacks may be plotting to clean our
toilets.

your pal,
blake

On 27 Mar 2007 13:11:50 -0700, wrote:

>On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
>> The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
>> leeching citizens anymore.
>>
>> Hundreds of Latin Americans, mostly Mexicans, die each year crossing
>> perilous rivers and deserts separating the two countries, and tougher
>> control has increased fatalities.
>
>Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
>lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
>for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
>aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
>butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.
>
>greg

i, for one, am outraged. they are using up fatalities that should be
reserved for drunken american citizens.

your pal,
blake

wrote:

>
>Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
>lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
>for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
>aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
>butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.


Oh, you mean like this scumbag:

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1


Killed two women, a mom and her daughter (who was pregnant). 3'rd
time DWI offender and is here ILLEGALLY. Why the **** wasn't he
deported after the first, or second incident?

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
>> The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
>> leeching citizens anymore.
>>
>> "Build it and they won't come"
>>
>> MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico asked President Bush on Monday to veto
>> a
>> Senate plan to build a border fence to keep illegal immigrants out,
>> but
>> acknowledged that its plea was likely to fall on deaf ears.
>>
>> The U.S. Senate on Friday overwhelmingly backed a bill to put up
>> about
>> 700 miles of fence, a project Republicans hope will impress voters
>> calling for tougher immigration control ahead of November 7
>> congressional elections.
>>
>> "The Mexican government strongly opposes the building of walls in the
>> border area between Mexico and the United States," President Vicente
>> Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters.
>>
>> "This decision hurts bilateral relations, goes against the spirit of
>> cooperation needed to guarantee security on the common border,
>> creates
>> a climate of tension in border communities," he said.
>>
>> Aguilar said Mexico would send a diplomatic note to Washington on
>> Monday urging Bush to veto the bill, which requires the president's
>> signature to become law.
>>
>> Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the chance of Bush
>> vetoing the bill was very slim, as the U.S. president has already
>> said
>> he would not take that step.
>>
>> "I would say it is almost nil," Derbez told Mexican radio. "What we
>> want to do is simply make our position clear."
>>
>> Bush had hoped for broad immigration legislation that would create a
>> guest-worker program, which would match workers with jobs Americans
>> are
>> unwilling to do. But House of Representatives Republicans had pushed
>> for greater emphasis on sealing the porous frontier.
>>
>> Mexicans are livid about the fence plan, which is seen as a slap in
>> the
>> face to efforts during Fox's near-completed six-year term to come to
>> an
>> agreement with Washington on immigration.
>>
>> President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on December 1, also
>> has lambasted the fence plan and the issue promises to prickle his
>> relationship with Washington from the outset.
>>
>> Hundreds of Latin Americans, mostly Mexicans, die each year crossing
>> perilous rivers and deserts separating the two countries, and tougher
>> control has increased fatalities.
>
> Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
> lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
> for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
> aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
> butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.
>
The cheaper the labor, the less it cost to buy the goods and services people
need. The higher the labor cost is, the higher the cost to buy the goods
and services people need. There is no free lunch.......

Jerry Okamura wrote:

>The cheaper the labor, the less it cost to buy the goods and services people
>need. The higher the labor cost is, the higher the cost to buy the goods
>and services people need. There is no free lunch.......


So genius, if you can get your lawn cut for $10 less... Then it's okay
for the rest of the taxpayers to support the illegal aliens in public
schools, healthcare, prisons, social services, and the very roads they
drive on to kill LEGAL citizens? Are you forgetting, or are you
ignorant of the fact that it is ILLEGAL for companies to hire them -
your 'bottom line' scenario holds no weight.

Milhouse Van Houten wrote:
>
> So genius, if you can get your lawn cut for $10 less... Then it's okay
> for the rest of the taxpayers to support the illegal aliens in public
> schools, healthcare, prisons, social services, and the very roads they
> drive on to kill LEGAL citizens? Are you forgetting, or are you
> ignorant of the fact that it is ILLEGAL for companies to hire them -
> your 'bottom line' scenario holds no weight.

Andy writes:
While I am not disagreening with your point , which is to jail or
deport illegals, your argument regarding public schools is not valid.

The illegals live in apartments and houses. The owners of the
apartments and houses pay the school taxes, which supports the
public school system, along with some small federal subsidy per
student..
The main "public" problem is hospitals, which are funded only by
Medicaid for the illegals, and, since they can't prove they are
eligible,
run a deficit which must be made up by local taxes...
or excessive charges to other patients.

While I support your arguments, generally, I feel you should not
just "rant", but use reality more closely, since as soon as someone
finds a flaw in your reasoning, they ignore your whole statement, and
you have lost a disciple.....

... Unless you just want to rant......

Andy in Eureka, Texas

"Milhouse Van Houten" > wrote in message
...
> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>>The cheaper the labor, the less it cost to buy the goods and services
>>people
>>need. The higher the labor cost is, the higher the cost to buy the goods
>>and services people need. There is no free lunch.......
>
>
> So genius, if you can get your lawn cut for $10 less... Then it's okay
> for the rest of the taxpayers to support the illegal aliens in public
> schools, healthcare, prisons, social services, and the very roads they
> drive on to kill LEGAL citizens? Are you forgetting, or are you
> ignorant of the fact that it is ILLEGAL for companies to hire them -
> your 'bottom line' scenario holds no weight.
>
No, it is not okay, but it still does not change what I said. Besides, how
can an illegal alien receive these public services, "if" the government, who
after all provides the money and makes the rules, doesn't allow them to
benefit from these services you mentioned? Who is at fault, the person who
takes advantage of governments largess, or the government who "allowed" them
to take advantage of these government benefits? As for what companies do,
my answer is so what? "If" it is illegal for companies to hire them, then
go after the companies who do hire them. But even "if" you could close that
off entirely, it still does not change a whole lot. "If" you are able to
stop EVERY company from hiring ANY illegal aliens, will that solve the
problem? NO, it will not.

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:09:57 -0700, "Jerry Okamura"
> wrote:

>
>"Milhouse Van Houten" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>>>The cheaper the labor, the less it cost to buy the goods and services
>>>people
>>>need. The higher the labor cost is, the higher the cost to buy the goods
>>>and services people need. There is no free lunch.......
>>
>>
>> So genius, if you can get your lawn cut for $10 less... Then it's okay
>> for the rest of the taxpayers to support the illegal aliens in public
>> schools, healthcare, prisons, social services, and the very roads they
>> drive on to kill LEGAL citizens? Are you forgetting, or are you
>> ignorant of the fact that it is ILLEGAL for companies to hire them -
>> your 'bottom line' scenario holds no weight.
>>
>No, it is not okay, but it still does not change what I said. Besides, how
>can an illegal alien receive these public services, "if" the government, who
>after all provides the money and makes the rules, doesn't allow them to
>benefit from these services you mentioned? Who is at fault, the person who
>takes advantage of governments largess, or the government who "allowed" them
>to take advantage of these government benefits? As for what companies do,
>my answer is so what? "If" it is illegal for companies to hire them, then
>go after the companies who do hire them. But even "if" you could close that
>off entirely, it still does not change a whole lot. "If" you are able to
>stop EVERY company from hiring ANY illegal aliens, will that solve the
>problem? NO, it will not.

you're a fool. illegal immigrants come here to work. (they're sure
not here for the tex-mex food.) if they can make more money here
licking out toilets than sitting on their butts in juarez, they come.

they employers like the low-wage laborers, and the fact that they can
threaten them with deportation if they complain about being treated
like shit. the big-time employers like tyson's are major republican
contributors. they like the status quo just fine.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:08:40 -0500, Milhouse Van Houten
> wrote:

>Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>>The cheaper the labor, the less it cost to buy the goods and services people
>>need. The higher the labor cost is, the higher the cost to buy the goods
>>and services people need. There is no free lunch.......
>
>
>So genius, if you can get your lawn cut for $10 less... Then it's okay
>for the rest of the taxpayers to support the illegal aliens in public
>schools, healthcare, prisons, social services, and the very roads they
>drive on to kill LEGAL citizens? Are you forgetting, or are you
>ignorant of the fact that it is ILLEGAL for companies to hire them -
>your 'bottom line' scenario holds no weight.
>

yes, and the republicans who **** and moan about the 'reconquistas'
(and used to hold all three branches of government) and want to build
a wall on the mexican border show absolutely no interest in
prosecuting the employers. i wonder why that is?

i'd guess campaign contributions, but the republicans are the law and
order party, so that can't be right.

your pal,
blake

On Mar 27, 3:11?pm, wrote:
> On Mar 27, 7:18 am, "bob&carole" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Mexicans are afraid that they won't be able to export their
> > leeching citizens anymore.
>
> > "Build it and they won't come"
>
> > MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico asked President Bush on Monday to veto
> > a
> > Senate plan to build a border fence to keep illegal immigrants out,
> > but
> > acknowledged that its plea was likely to fall on deaf ears.
>
> > The U.S. Senate on Friday overwhelmingly backed a bill to put up
> > about
> > 700 miles of fence, a project Republicans hope will impress voters
> > calling for tougher immigration control ahead of November 7
> > congressional elections.
>
> > "The Mexican government strongly opposes the building of walls in the
> > border area between Mexico and the United States," President Vicente
> > Fox's spokesman Ruben Aguilar told reporters.
>
> > "This decision hurts bilateral relations, goes against the spirit of
> > cooperation needed to guarantee security on the common border,
> > creates
> > a climate of tension in border communities," he said.
>
> > Aguilar said Mexico would send a diplomatic note to Washington on
> > Monday urging Bush to veto the bill, which requires the president's
> > signature to become law.
>
> > Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the chance of Bush
> > vetoing the bill was very slim, as the U.S. president has already
> > said
> > he would not take that step.
>
> > "I would say it is almost nil," Derbez told Mexican radio. "What we
> > want to do is simply make our position clear."
>
> > Bush had hoped for broad immigration legislation that would create a
> > guest-worker program, which would match workers with jobs Americans
> > are
> > unwilling to do. But House of Representatives Republicans had pushed
> > for greater emphasis on sealing the porous frontier.
>
> > Mexicans are livid about the fence plan, which is seen as a slap in
> > the
> > face to efforts during Fox's near-completed six-year term to come to
> > an
> > agreement with Washington on immigration.
>
> > President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes office on December 1, also
> > has lambasted the fence plan and the issue promises to prickle his
> > relationship with Washington from the outset.
>
> > Hundreds of Latin Americans, mostly Mexicans, die each year crossing
> > perilous rivers and deserts separating the two countries, and tougher
> > control has increased fatalities.
>
> Our scumbags in Washington are too busy appeasing the cheap labor
> lobby, National Chamber of Commerce, and groveling
> for votes. Meantime American citizens are being slaughtered by illegal
> aliens. Over 2,100 murdered last year and appx. another 5,000
> butchered on our highways by mostly drunken illegal hispanics.
>
> greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

hey 120,000 per YEAR DIE FROM SMOKING RELATED ILLNESSES!!!!

and that is relevant because ...........??


> wrote in message
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>
> hey 120,000 per YEAR DIE FROM SMOKING RELATED ILLNESSES!!!!
>

The relevance is that in both cases you are trying to stop people from doing
what they want to do.

"bill allemann" > wrote in message
. ..
> and that is relevant because ...........??
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> hey 120,000 per YEAR DIE FROM SMOKING RELATED ILLNESSES!!!!
>>
>
>