Meghan Noecker wrote:
>
> On 2 Apr 2007 21:56:30 -0700, "ntantiques" > wrote:
>
> >On Apr 2, 8:49?pm, Meghan Noecker > wrote:
> >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:08:10 -0500, Emma Thackery >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >> This whole thing is becoming pretty scary. irst it was no-name brand
> >> >> pet food, then high end pet food.... now food for humans.
> >>
> >> Safeway pulled a bunch of bread yesterday (Sunday). All the house
> >> brand products that are brought in. The in-store bakery products were
> >> fine.
> >>
> >> Since the pet food recall started with house brands for a lot of
> >> stores, I suspect Safeway isn't the only store pulling bread right
> >> now.
> >>
> >> I don't know if it was known to be tainted or suspected of being
> >> tainted. Just that it was to be pulled immediately.
> >
> >We noticed those bare shelves in the bread dept. at Safeway on Sunday,
> >but assumed it was just a screwed up delivery...sobering.
> >
> >Don't know where you're located - we're in Eugene, OR. Think a huge
> >wholesale bakery in Eugene probably cranks out the local store brands
> >and that Safeway subs out their packaged breads region by region. If
> >they're pulling product nationally, you gotta know there's a problem
> >with people food.
> >
>
> I'm in Seattle. And when I looked online to see if there was any news
> of a recall on bread, I found a posting in a pet forum by another
> Safeway employee who had the recall notice. It doesn't say where he is
> located.
>
> I know they bake the bread locally, so it should be easier to fix the
> problem. Simply stop selling anything with questionable ingredients
> and change suppliers. But I am really bothered by the lack of notice.
> No notice to the customers, nothing on the news. Just a quiet hush job
> of removing it.
>
> The public needs to know that this crap was introduced into the poeple
> supply of food. I don't understand why we are allowing food products
> to be imported from other countries without demanding that they follow
> our rules in terms of pesticides, safety, and storage. If they want to
> sell to us, they need to make the product to our standards.

The bread recall appears to be unrelated. According to the FDA recall
bulletins below the bread recall originated March 9th and related to
metal fragment contamination.

http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/winco03_07.html
http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/safeway03_07.html

Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote:
>
> The Kat wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:40:09 -0500, "jmcquown" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I'm fortunate in that I haven't had any pets affected by the recall. My cat
> > >doesn't eat the original "in gravy" food cited in the products from Menu
> > >Foods out of Canada.
> >
> > My cat prefers dry food, and while I have, in the past, used Iams canned,
> > I've been using 9 Lives and Friskies recently, and both of those are 'safe'.
> >
> > > I've NOT heard of any human food
> > >gluten products being affected, despite what SQWERTZ (posting under yet
> > >another of his many names which I keep killfiling, daily) seems to think.
> >
> > No one has claimed any human food has been affected,
> > other than one ignorant jerk in this froup (sic).
> >
>
> I see there are already reports of at least one quiet human food recall.
> Might be unrelated, but given the nature of the human food being
> recalled odds are against that. Keep watching...
>
> Pete C.

The bread recalls appear to not be related per FDA recall bulletins that
indicate the bread recall began March 9th and is due to metal fragment
contamination.

http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/winco03_07.html
http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/safeway03_07.html

Pete C.

Janet Puistonen wrote:

>
> I think it's time to consider going organic. Unless the supplier is engaging
> in outright fraud, it is unlikely that any wheat fields in China are going
> to be certified as organic.
>
>
The current problems are simply a result of the "Walmart model" of
trying to continually lower prices by beating up suppliers. Initially
you can remove inefficiencies in most any manufacturing process.

After that is done suppliers need to cut staff and lower wages/benefits
of existing staff and let them know they are disposable. Then for the
next round of price reductions they need to cut quality standards which
can include shopping around for "good deals" on materials and lastly
moving the operation off shore.

Pete C. wrote:

>
> The bread recalls appear to not be related per FDA recall bulletins that
> indicate the bread recall began March 9th and is due to metal fragment
> contamination.
>
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/winco03_07.html
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/safeway03_07.html
>
>

This is a new issue. Someone posted this link on another thread:
http://www.kptv.com/news/11498395/detail.html

It indicates that Safeway has been pulling bread for testing very
recently, as part of the FDA investigation. The fact that testing is
happening doesn't necessarily mean any breads are tainted. They're
testing to find out.

This IHT article says that the gluten has been found in facilities
that process food for humans, but they cannot say whether or not any
human food was contaminated. It could be due to pet food and human
being processed in the same plants.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/...iness/pets.php

In article >, Pete C. > wrote:
>Risk:loss ratios both of the actual contaminated foods and the
>risk:loss ratio of the likely public panic when the
>contaminated human food is recalled.

And lawsuits. Lots and lots and lots of lawsuits.

Normally, I'm of the "(Q) What looks good on a lawyer?
(A) A rottweiler." persuasion, at least as regards the
ambulance-chaser subspecies.

However.

In this case, if any company used any of this material
in food for human consumption, and did not immediately
recall it, RELEASE THE HOUNDS!! Make them liquidate
the company to pay the claims.

And sow the ground with salt.

There is no possible excuse.

--
Mike Van Pelt | Wikipedia. The roulette wheel of knowledge.
mvp at calweb.com | --Blair P. Houghton
KE6BVH

"Mike Van Pelt" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Pete C. >
> wrote:
>>Risk:loss ratios both of the actual contaminated foods and the
>>risk:loss ratio of the likely public panic when the
>>contaminated human food is recalled.
>
> And lawsuits. Lots and lots and lots of lawsuits.
>
> Normally, I'm of the "(Q) What looks good on a lawyer?
> (A) A rottweiler." persuasion, at least as regards the
> ambulance-chaser subspecies.


Q: What do you call a dozen lawyers parachuting together?

A: Skeet

Cryambers wrote:

>
> This IHT article says that the gluten has been found in facilities
> that process food for humans, but they cannot say whether or not any
> human food was contaminated.


So why haven't they investigated further?


> It could be due to pet food and human being processed in the same plants.

Now THAT'S a cheering thought....

gloria p

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:10:19 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>The bread recalls appear to not be related per FDA recall bulletins that
>indicate the bread recall began March 9th and is due to metal fragment
>contamination.
>
>http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/winco03_07.html
>http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/safeway03_07.html
>


That is actually a different recall.

I work at Safeway, and we pulled bread on Sunday, April 1st, and the
stated reason was testing of wheat gluten.

I do not know whether it was tainted or not, but we did pull every
brand that had Safeway's name on it. Safeway, Oven Joy, Coast to Coast
(deli department), etc. Even hamburger buns.


I am located in Washington State. I know they also pulled bread in
Oregon on the same day.

Defintely not the same recall as the one in March for wire fragments.

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:06:47 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>The bread recall appears to be unrelated. According to the FDA recall
>bulletins below the bread recall originated March 9th and related to
>metal fragment contamination.
>

Can you explain why the recall you are talking about was March 9th,
but the bread *I* pulled was on April 1st. And why my list of bread to
be recalled said wheat gluten on it?

Did you not read my post? I work in a Safeway. I pulled the bread off
teh shelf myself. And I know what date it was (last Sunday - April
1st).

I really doubt I was pulling bread off the shelf 3 weeks too late for
the recall. And the current paper wouldn't say wheat gluten if the
reason was wire fragments.

You may disagree about the human food being tainted (or at least the
possibility). But you will not convince me that I did not pull bread
on Sunday. I was very aware of what I was doing.

I wasn't looking up stuff on the internet. I was telling you exactly
what happened in the store where I work.

"Meghan Noecker" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:06:47 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>The bread recall appears to be unrelated. According to the FDA recall
>>bulletins below the bread recall originated March 9th and related to
>>metal fragment contamination.
>>
>
> Can you explain why the recall you are talking about was March 9th,
> but the bread *I* pulled was on April 1st. And why my list of bread to
> be recalled said wheat gluten on it?
>
> Did you not read my post? I work in a Safeway. I pulled the bread off
> teh shelf myself. And I know what date it was (last Sunday - April
> 1st).
>
> I really doubt I was pulling bread off the shelf 3 weeks too late for
> the recall. And the current paper wouldn't say wheat gluten if the
> reason was wire fragments.
>
> You may disagree about the human food being tainted (or at least the
> possibility). But you will not convince me that I did not pull bread
> on Sunday. I was very aware of what I was doing.
>
> I wasn't looking up stuff on the internet. I was telling you exactly
> what happened in the store where I work.
>

Does Safeway use prepared bread dough products, like those from Rich Foods
in Buffalo?

Puester wrote:
> Cryambers wrote:
>
> >
> > This IHT article says that the gluten has been found in facilities
> > that process food for humans, but they cannot say whether or not any
> > human food was contaminated.
>
>
> So why haven't they investigated further?

I believe that's what they're doing now.

>
>
> > It could be due to pet food and human being processed in the same plants.
>
> Now THAT'S a cheering thought....
>

It's not the most comforting thought, but it's better than if it had
been found in plants that *only* process human food. This way it's
possible that it's due to the processing of pet food in the facility
and cross-contamination could be minimal. Obviously, it's not good,
but I'd be far more concerned if they'd found it where only human food
is processed.

One puzzle in this is Del Monte's spokesperson said their recalled pet
foods used food grade gluten, but other sources have said that there
was confusion in how the shipments were labeled as to what grade it
was. Different shipments may have been labeled differently, I guess.

Pat

"Cryambers" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Puester wrote:
>> Cryambers wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > This IHT article says that the gluten has been found in facilities
>> > that process food for humans, but they cannot say whether or not any
>> > human food was contaminated.
>>
>>
>> So why haven't they investigated further?
>
> I believe that's what they're doing now.
>
>>
>>
>> > It could be due to pet food and human being processed in the same
>> > plants.
>>
>> Now THAT'S a cheering thought....
>>
>
> It's not the most comforting thought, but it's better than if it had
> been found in plants that *only* process human food. This way it's
> possible that it's due to the processing of pet food in the facility
> and cross-contamination could be minimal. Obviously, it's not good,
> but I'd be far more concerned if they'd found it where only human food
> is processed.
>
> One puzzle in this is Del Monte's spokesperson said their recalled pet
> foods used food grade gluten, but other sources have said that there
> was confusion in how the shipments were labeled as to what grade it
> was. Different shipments may have been labeled differently, I guess.
>
> Pat
>

Not to make light of this labeling issue, but to illustrate a point:
http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?im...ate=1996-12-18

It took companies like Nikon, Asahi and Sony almost 20 years to swallow
their pride and hire trained translators to write their instruction manuals.
Fortunately, figuring out how cameras and audio toys work was never a matter
of life and death. But, one must wonder what sort of nonsense is on
packaging from countries like China. As long as our elected idiots are
constantly debating trade tariffs, maybe they should tack on a new law:
Nothing enters this country unless the words on the packages were translated
or written by native English speakers.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:31:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>
>Does Safeway use prepared bread dough products, like those from Rich Foods
>in Buffalo?
>

Most of the bread made in the bakery is from scratch, like the french
bread, rolls, etc.

Some of the speciality breads come in ready to bake. Those would be
the Rustic Italian, Olive loaf, the bagels, and the muffins now.


I'm not familiar with the companies that things come from. When I
worked in the bakery, I mostly packaged products, so I was aware of
what the bakers were doing, but not into the ordering.

The Kat wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:25:28 -0500, Steve Wertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:59:23 GMT, Janet Puistonen wrote:
>>
>>> According to various sources, the name of the company can be surmised by
>>> process of elimination. This is one of many stories on the subject:
>>> http://www.stockhouse.com/mediascan/...newsid=8294867
>> And ADM is the biggest single-company lobby the White House has
>> ever seen.
>
> AND they created the 'Terminator Seed' line, and more.

Wasn't that Monsanto?

Serene

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> Meghan Noecker wrote:
> >
> > On 2 Apr 2007 21:56:30 -0700, "ntantiques" > wrote:
> >
> > >On Apr 2, 8:49?pm, Meghan Noecker > wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:08:10 -0500, Emma Thackery >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >> This whole thing is becoming pretty scary. irst it was no-name
brand
> > >> >> pet food, then high end pet food.... now food for humans.
> > >>
> > >> Safeway pulled a bunch of bread yesterday (Sunday). All the house
> > >> brand products that are brought in. The in-store bakery products were
> > >> fine.
> > >>
> > >> Since the pet food recall started with house brands for a lot of
> > >> stores, I suspect Safeway isn't the only store pulling bread right
> > >> now.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know if it was known to be tainted or suspected of being
> > >> tainted. Just that it was to be pulled immediately.
> > >
> > >We noticed those bare shelves in the bread dept. at Safeway on Sunday,
> > >but assumed it was just a screwed up delivery...sobering.
> > >
> > >Don't know where you're located - we're in Eugene, OR. Think a huge
> > >wholesale bakery in Eugene probably cranks out the local store brands
> > >and that Safeway subs out their packaged breads region by region. If
> > >they're pulling product nationally, you gotta know there's a problem
> > >with people food.
> > >
> >
> > I'm in Seattle. And when I looked online to see if there was any news
> > of a recall on bread, I found a posting in a pet forum by another
> > Safeway employee who had the recall notice. It doesn't say where he is
> > located.
> >
> > I know they bake the bread locally, so it should be easier to fix the
> > problem. Simply stop selling anything with questionable ingredients
> > and change suppliers. But I am really bothered by the lack of notice.
> > No notice to the customers, nothing on the news. Just a quiet hush job
> > of removing it.
> >
> > The public needs to know that this crap was introduced into the poeple
> > supply of food. I don't understand why we are allowing food products
> > to be imported from other countries without demanding that they follow
> > our rules in terms of pesticides, safety, and storage. If they want to
> > sell to us, they need to make the product to our standards.
>
> The bread recall appears to be unrelated. According to the FDA recall
> bulletins below the bread recall originated March 9th and related to
> metal fragment contamination.
>
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/winco03_07.html
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/safeway03_07.html
>
Considering that this is the same FDA that is also considering doing this:

I won't put it past them to be slow to act on recalling any human food
containing any of the tainted wheat gluten until significant numbers of
people actually get sick from food items containing tainted wheat gluten.

Even if certain stores are pulling food for testing, it certainly isn't an
FDA mandate that all stores pull food for testing at this time. I personally
believe that all information should be disclosed to the public as soon as it
is known, even if it does require pulling breads, gravy mixes, frozen
pizzas, etc. that use wheat gluten in the ingredients so that they can't be
purchased until testing has confirmed total safety of the food item(s).

Pete C. wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:18:34 -0500, Emma Thackery >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is one time, I'm really glad I can't eat anything with wheat in it.
>>> So now we know there is one US distributor of this melamine tainted,
>>> food grade wheat gluten but the FDA won't disclose which company that
>>> is. How convenient. After all, we wouldn't want the public to be
>>> concerned enough to stop buying, would we? And wheat gluten is hidden
>>> in so many different food products as a filler... words fail me.
>>>
>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...t-gluten-sold_
>>> b_44743.html>
>> This whole thing is becoming pretty scary. First it was no-name brand
>> pet food, then high end pet food.... now food for humans.
>>
>> It's yet another reason to stay away from processed food as much as
>> you can.
>>
>> --
>> See return address to reply by email
>
> Where do you get the "first no-name brand" part? The very first Menu
> Foods recall clearly included name brand items as well as store branded
> items.
>
> Pete C.
>
> Some good info he
>
> http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/petfood.html



Latest theory at the FDA is that Chinese companies may be intentionally
spiking vegetable protein products with malamine to make them test
higher in protein than they really a

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/4731527.html

Best regards,
Bob