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On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > Vote now! Finally, I got to vote first. I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. Sheldon |
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![]() "Sheldon" > wrote in message ps.com... > On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote: >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >> >> Vote now! > > Finally, I got to vote first. > > I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. > You love okra because it is the only thing slimier than you are. But you have to overcook okra to achieve this, whereas you are smarmy right out of the shower. Eyyyuu. What an image. |
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On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > Vote now! Well worth planting, quite prolific and makes a beautiful background plant in flowerbeds. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...22sagebar.html http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...flower_bud.jpg Sheldon |
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Chatty wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:31:27 +0200:
CC> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ CC> Vote now! CC> -- CC> Cheers CC> Chatty Cathy My reply was "sometimes". Ordinarily, outside its necessary (IMHO) use in gumbo, I don't like it except fried crisp as an Indian Raita component or in Texas Hot Okra Pickles which I like it a lot! James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not |
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Chatty Cathy said...
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > Vote now! Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! Couldn't find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as the day I made it! Politically correct folk would insist that gumbo is okra in an African language and without okra it's not gumbo. Oh well, someday I'll make politically correct gumbo! Andy |
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Andy wrote:
> > Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! Couldn't > find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as the day I made > it! > > Politically correct folk would insist that gumbo is okra in an African > language and without okra it's not gumbo. Oh well, someday I'll make I tired okra (frozen) for the first time about 30 years ago. I thought it was pretty tasty, even if it was a little slimy. I didn't know it was supposed to go into gumbo. I have had gumbo a few times since and enjoyed the okra in it. It's just not very common around here. I can't recall ever seeing it fresh in the supermarket. |
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![]() "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote in message . .. > Chatty wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:31:27 +0200: > > CC> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > CC> Vote now! > CC> -- > CC> Cheers > CC> Chatty Cathy > > My reply was "sometimes". Ordinarily, outside its necessary (IMHO) use in > gumbo, I don't like it except fried crisp as an Indian Raita component or > in Texas Hot Okra Pickles which I like it a lot! I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() |
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On 11 Apr 2007 10:38:42 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote:
>On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote: >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >> >> Vote now! > >Finally, I got to vote first. > >I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. > >Sheldon We grow and use a lot of okra. Three different varieties, Burgundy (dark red pods), Annie Oakley and Clemson Spineless. The blossoms are indeed quite attractive. Here's a picture from last year's garden. http://tinypic.ca/images/cqs1176318088c.jpg Ross. To email, remove the "obvious" from my address. |
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"Sheldon" > wrote: > On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote: > > http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > > > Vote now! > > Finally, I got to vote first. > > I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. > > Sheldon Totally agree on all counts. :-) -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote: > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > ps.com... > > On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote: > >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > >> > >> Vote now! > > > > Finally, I got to vote first. > > > > I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. > > > > You love okra because it is the only thing slimier than you are. But you > have to overcook okra to achieve this, whereas you are smarmy right out of > the shower. Eyyyuu. What an image. Sorry you feel that way Cyberbabe.. Guess it's another thing we will have to agree to disagree on. :-) Okra is a beautiful plant with gorgeous blooms, and is a prolific producer. Cooked properly, it's not even all that slimy. The flavor is similar to Asparagus imho. It's also easy to grow which is why the peace corps tried to introduce it to Africa in place of one other grain. Dried, the seeds are also edible. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Sheldon wrote:
> On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote: >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >> >> Vote now! > > Finally, I got to vote first. > > I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. > > Sheldon They are beautiful flowers. Related to the hibiscus, I believe. Nice yellow blossoms. Unfortunately, I just don't care for the veggie. kili |
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"cybercat" > wrote: > "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote in message > . .. > > Chatty wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:31:27 +0200: > > > > CC> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > > > CC> Vote now! > > CC> -- > > CC> Cheers > > CC> Chatty Cathy > > > > My reply was "sometimes". Ordinarily, outside its necessary (IMHO) use in > > gumbo, I don't like it except fried crisp as an Indian Raita component or > > in Texas Hot Okra Pickles which I like it a lot! > > I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading > and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() Your loss dear. They are delightful lightly steamed and served as a side dish. Just don't remove the caps until eating. Butter and lemon pepper, or even a light coating of italian dressing. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote:>> > >> > My reply was "sometimes". Ordinarily, outside its necessary (IMHO) use >> > in >> > gumbo, I don't like it except fried crisp as an Indian Raita component >> > or >> > in Texas Hot Okra Pickles which I like it a lot! >> >> I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading >> and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() > > Your loss dear. They are delightful lightly steamed and served as a side > dish. Just don't remove the caps until eating. Butter and lemon pepper, > or even a light coating of italian dressing. We've had this conversation before. |
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> Okra is a beautiful plant with gorgeous blooms, and is a prolific > producer. Cooked properly, it's not even all that slimy. Everybody says that, but it's not true. The entire time I lived and worked in Oklahoma, everyone thought they could convince me that okra wasn't slimey, but they all failed. Okra is to me what beets are to Barb. I can't say it better than that. LOL. N. |
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On Apr 11, 3:18?pm, wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2007 10:38:42 -0700, "Sheldon" > wrote: > > >On Apr 11, 1:31?pm, Chatty Cathy > wrote: > >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > >> Vote now! > > >Finally, I got to vote first. > > >I love okra, I grow it... lovely plants with gorgeous blooms. > > >Sheldon > > We grow and use a lot of okra. Three different varieties, Burgundy > (dark red pods), Annie Oakley and Clemson Spineless. The blossoms are > indeed quite attractive. Here's a picture from last year's garden.http://tinypic.ca/images/cqs1176318088c.jpg > > Ross. > To email, remove the "obvious" from my address. Nice pic but I hate when folks claim they do something and then post totally sterile pics that anyone could have lifted off the net. When someone says they grow something I want to see it growing in their garden, or at least have some bit of element in the photo that identifies it's actually theirs. I always make a point of including something in my pics that I can reproduce over and over at will. Sheldon |
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One time on Usenet, Andy <g> said:
> Chatty Cathy said... > > > http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > > > Vote now! > > > Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! Couldn't > find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as the day I made > it! What the heck is "file powder", Andy? -- Jani in WA |
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"Nancy2" > wrote:
> Everybody says that, but it's not true. The entire time I lived and > worked in Oklahoma, everyone thought they could convince me that okra > wasn't slimey, but they all failed. Reminds me of another description that I've heard regarding okra and its sliminess. It had to do with whether one "swallows" something of similar consistency. This other item is not in one of the regular food groups! ;-) I do like okra and the sliminess doesn't bother me. The one form of okra that shouldn't bother anyone with sliminess is pickled okra. I love pickled okra as an addition to a bloody mary, as well as just snacking on them. -- wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net |
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Little Malice said...
> One time on Usenet, Andy <g> said: >> Chatty Cathy said... >> >> > http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >> > >> > Vote now! >> >> >> Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! >> Couldn't find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as >> the day I made it! > > What the heck is "file powder", Andy? Jani, What little I know about it, if you don't like okra in gumbo, file powder is an alternative fast acting thickening agent. It sounds like "fee-lay" with the accent on fee. I can't compare it tastewise since I've never had okra. Andy |
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"wff_ng_7" > wrote: > "Nancy2" > wrote: > > Everybody says that, but it's not true. The entire time I lived and > > worked in Oklahoma, everyone thought they could convince me that okra > > wasn't slimey, but they all failed. > > Reminds me of another description that I've heard regarding okra and its > sliminess. It had to do with whether one "swallows" something of similar > consistency. This other item is not in one of the regular food groups! ;-) Don't think it never cums up here dear. There has been more than one thread about food and sex... <G> > > I do like okra and the sliminess doesn't bother me. The one form of okra > that shouldn't bother anyone with sliminess is pickled okra. I love pickled > okra as an addition to a bloody mary, as well as just snacking on them. Deep fried is not usually slimy either, but I've found that it tends to have no flavor. I like it blanched. But, that's just me. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Little Malice wrote:
> One time on Usenet, Andy <g> said: >> Chatty Cathy said... >> >>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >>> >>> Vote now! >> >> >> Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! >> Couldn't find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as >> the day I made it! > > What the heck is "file powder", Andy? Ground sassafrass root |
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Omelet wrote:
> > Your loss dear. They are delightful lightly steamed and served as a side > dish. Just don't remove the caps until eating. Butter and lemon pepper, > or even a light coating of italian dressing. Anyone who has eaten Campbell's vegetable soups has eaten okra... most of the okra I grow gets sliced and frozen, then in winter it's used in soups/stews, especially in clam chowder. I also like okra raw in salads, and pickled. Fresh picked young okra is not slimey, it's those big old already rotting brownish pods found in the produce dept. that are slimey, and tasteless Sheldon |
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(Little Malice) wrote:
> Andy <g> said: > > Chatty Cathy said... > > > >http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > > > Vote now! > > > Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! Couldn't > > find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as the day I made > > it! > > What the heck is "file powder", Andy? fil? powder [FEE-lay, fih-LAY] Choctaw Indians from the Louisiana bayou country are said to have been the first users of this seasoning made from the ground, dried leaves of the sassafras tree. It's since become an integral part of CREOLE COOKING and is used to thicken and flavor GUMBOS and other Creole dishes. Fil? has a woodsy flavor reminiscent of root beer. It must be stirred into a dish after it's removed from the heat because undue cooking makes fil? tough and stringy. Fil? powder is available in the spice or gourmet section of most large supermarkets. As with all spices, it should be stored in a cool, dark place for no more than 6 months. ? Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on THE FOOD LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler Herbst. --- Sheldon |
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jmcquown wrote:
> Little Malice wrote: > > What the heck is "file powder", Andy? > > Ground sassafrass root Small correction, ground leaves. Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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Nancy2 > wrote:
> Everybody says that, but it's not true. The entire time I lived and > worked in Oklahoma, everyone thought they could convince me that okra > wasn't slimey, but they all failed. Okra is to me what beets are to > Barb. I can't say it better than that. LOL. Try it in the Vietnamese sour and spicy canh chua soup. You fill find its texture the very opposite of slimy; it is almost crispy. Victor |
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Sheldon wrote:
> Omelet wrote: >> Your loss dear. They are delightful lightly steamed and served as a side >> dish. Just don't remove the caps until eating. Butter and lemon pepper, >> or even a light coating of italian dressing. > > Anyone who has eaten Campbell's vegetable soups has eaten okra... most > of the okra I grow gets sliced and frozen, then in winter it's used in > soups/stews, especially in clam chowder. I also like okra raw in > salads, and pickled. Fresh picked young okra is not slimey, it's > those big old already rotting brownish pods found in the produce dept. > that are slimey, and tasteless > > Sheldon > I know this isn't a gardening NG but anyway. I guess from all you've written in this thread that okra grows well for you in NY. Since we're roughly in the same area, any growing hints for it here? I tried to grow it in CA but where we were, believe it or not, it was just too hot and dry and it never did well for me. I would have thought it too cold here in NY. DO you start them indoors? Any variety you prefer for the NE? Melondy |
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Michael "Dog3" Lonergan wrote:
> Pickled okra... never had it but I'll bet I would really like it. Sheldon, > how do you batter and deep fry your okra? I mean do you have a recipe? > Some of the best okra I've ever had was deep fried. > > Michael Best way I've EVER had fried okra, I swear! * Exported from MasterCook * Fried Okra Recipe By :Southern Living, May 1987 Serving Size : 4 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Vegetables Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 1 pound okra -- 1/ 2 inch slices 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour 2 egg whites 1 1/2 cups bread crumbs vegetable oil for frying salt This comes from the Southern Living magazine cookbook, May 1987 Wash okra, drain well. Remove stems and tips. Cut into 1/2 inch slices. Coat with flour (I just tossed all together in bowl) Beat egg whites (at room temp) until stiff peaks form. Fold into okra. Stir in bread crumbs, coating okra well. Deep fry okra in hot oil (375 degrees) until golden brown. drain on paper towels and sprinkle with salt. |
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Chatty Cathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > Vote now! I clicked "sometimes" but wished there were a category between sometimes and no. That is, I'll eat okra if it's breaded and fried just right, and I won't pick it out of gumbo, but I don't really care for it. I first tried gumbo in New Orleans when I was in college. I don't recall any hard and fast rules there about gumbo requiring okra. (Come to think of it, I loved the gumbo at the Riverbend, and it probably had okra in it, so maybe the sometimes category is correct.) There were chicken gumbos and sausage gumbos, and not all of them had okra. --Lia |
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cyberSLOP wrote:
> "James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote in message > > . .. > > > Chatty wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:31:27 +0200: > > > CC>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ > > > CC> Vote now! > > CC> -- > > CC> Cheers > > CC> Chatty Cathy > > > My reply was "sometimes". Ordinarily, outside its necessary (IMHO) use in > > gumbo, I don't like it except fried crisp as an Indian Raita component or > > in Texas Hot Okra Pickles which I like it a lot! > > I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading > and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() Must *everything* be low - class ghetto guttersniping with you? Try acting more "white" - things might go better for you... -- Best Greg |
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"Sheldon" > wrote: > Omelet wrote: > > > > Your loss dear. They are delightful lightly steamed and served as a side > > dish. Just don't remove the caps until eating. Butter and lemon pepper, > > or even a light coating of italian dressing. > > Anyone who has eaten Campbell's vegetable soups has eaten okra... most > of the okra I grow gets sliced and frozen, then in winter it's used in > soups/stews, especially in clam chowder. I also like okra raw in > salads, and pickled. Fresh picked young okra is not slimey, it's > those big old already rotting brownish pods found in the produce dept. > that are slimey, and tasteless > > Sheldon Indeed. :-) The smaller, younger okra is indeed tastier. The most amazing things about those plants is just how quickly those pods develop after they bloom. I may just grow some this year. It's been awhile! Mom and I found that we had to pick them every single day. If they were left too long, we'd just leave them on the plant for the whole season and used those for the next year's seed. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"Gregory Morrow" wrote:
> cyberSLOP wrote: > > > I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading > > and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() > > Must *everything* be low - class ghetto guttersniping with you? > > Try acting more "white" - things might go better for you... But the cyberslut is just a "nappy haired ho"... a friggin' brillo crotched slut who has to wear SOS pads (with soap they're loaded)! <g> Ahahahahahahahahaha. . . . Sheldon |
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![]() Gregory Morrow wrote: > cyberSLOP wrote: > > > >>"James Silverton" <not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not> wrote in message >> m... >> >> >>>Chatty wrote on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:31:27 +0200: >> >>>CC>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >> >>>CC> Vote now! >>>CC> -- >>>CC> Cheers >>>CC> Chatty Cathy >> >>>My reply was "sometimes". Ordinarily, outside its necessary (IMHO) use in >>>gumbo, I don't like it except fried crisp as an Indian Raita component or >>>in Texas Hot Okra Pickles which I like it a lot! >> >>I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading >>and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() > > > > Must *everything* be low - class ghetto guttersniping with you? > > Try acting more "white" - things might go better for you... > > -- > Best > Greg > > > Greg: Excuse me but although I'm not black (or ghetto guttersnipe,) can you point out what "white" cooking from down South is not fried foods, pork in pits, et cetera? And I'm not going to delve into Europe's cuisine with the French eating goose livers, recipes laden with lard, et cetera? And let's not mention the German pork stores, et cetera. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Look at the plank in your eye, before trying to remove the speck in your brother's! R |
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![]() "Sheldon" > wrote in message ups.com... > "Gregory Morrow" wrote: >> cyberSLOP wrote: >> >> > I have never met okra that was not encased in heavy breading >> > and overcooked, coming out like deep-fried spit-up. ![]() >> >> Must *everything* be low - class ghetto guttersniping with you? >> >> Try acting more "white" - things might go better for you... > > But the cyberslut is just a "nappy haired ho"... a friggin' brillo > crotched slut who has to wear SOS pads (with soap they're loaded)! <g> > Another post to be proud of, Sheldon. Bet your children and grandchildren will love this. I am compiling a Best of Grandpa Sheldon for them, with the warning not to be caught anywhere alone with your skanky old ass. |
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Andy wrote:
> Chatty Cathy said... > > >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ >> >>Vote now! > > > > Incredible co-incidence! I defrosted two cups of gumbo for lunch! Couldn't > find the file powder, dammit, but it tasted just as good as the day I made > it! > > Politically correct folk would insist that gumbo is okra in an African > language and without okra it's not gumbo. Oh well, someday I'll make > politically correct gumbo! Gumbo is made with either okra or file powder. Therefore, it's still gumbo without the okra, assuming the use of file powder. Without either it's no longer gumbo just soup or stew. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Kate Connally wrote:
> > Gumbo is made with either okra or file powder. Therefore, > it's still gumbo without the okra, assuming the use of file > powder. Without either it's no longer gumbo just soup or stew. > A few posters have already mentioned file powder. I found this while googling: http://southernfood.about.com/cs/gum...es/a/gumbo.htm <quote> Gumbo is a Louisiana soup or stew which reflects and blends the rich cuisines of regional Indian, French, Spanish, and African cultures. The word "gumbo" is derived African term for okra, "gombo," and first appeared in print in 1805. Filé gumbo, a version thickened with filé powder (ground sassafras leaves) as used by the Choctaw Indians, came along about 20 years later. There are no hard and fast rules for making gumbo beyond the basic roux, okra or filé powder, and your imagination. There are probably as many distinctive recipes for gumbo as there are cooks in Louisiana. </quote> -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:05:16 GMT, "wff_ng_7" >
wrote: >"Nancy2" > wrote: >> Everybody says that, but it's not true. The entire time I lived and >> worked in Oklahoma, everyone thought they could convince me that okra >> wasn't slimey, but they all failed. > >Reminds me of another description that I've heard regarding okra and its >sliminess. It had to do with whether one "swallows" something of similar >consistency. This other item is not in one of the regular food groups! ;-) > >I do like okra and the sliminess doesn't bother me. The one form of okra >that shouldn't bother anyone with sliminess is pickled okra. I love pickled >okra as an addition to a bloody mary, as well as just snacking on them. talk o' texas? do you get hot or regular? your pickled pal, blake |
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blake wrote on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:21:58 GMT:
??>> "Nancy2" > wrote: ??>>> Everybody says that, but it's not true. The entire time ??>>> I lived and worked in Oklahoma, everyone thought they ??>>> could convince me that okra wasn't slimey, but they all ??>>> failed. ??>> ??>> Reminds me of another description that I've heard ??>> regarding okra and its sliminess. It had to do with ??>> whether one "swallows" something of similar consistency. ??>> This other item is not in one of the regular food groups! ??>> ;-) ??>> ??>> I do like okra and the sliminess doesn't bother me. The ??>> one form of okra that shouldn't bother anyone with ??>> sliminess is pickled okra. I love pickled okra as an ??>> addition to a bloody mary, as well as just snacking on ??>> them. bm> talk o' texas? do you get hot or regular? I haven't tried the "regular". The "hot" variety was the first I found. It's not really very hot and suits me just fine! James Silverton Potomac, Maryland E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not |
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"blake murphy" > wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:05:16 GMT, "wff_ng_7" > > wrote: >>I do like okra and the sliminess doesn't bother me. The one form of okra >>that shouldn't bother anyone with sliminess is pickled okra. I love >>pickled >>okra as an addition to a bloody mary, as well as just snacking on them. > > talk o' texas? do you get hot or regular? That's the brand! I've gotten both, depends on my mood. They both taste good to me. -- wff_ng_7 (at) verizon (dot) net |
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