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Steve Wertz wrote:
> You forgot to announce Sunday afternoon chat. You skipped right
> from morning to evening chat.
>
> Seriously, though. Doesn't every know there's a chat room
> available at all times of the day and that you can check it just
> like you do Usenet and email?
>
> Is it really necessary for someone to post about it 3 times a
> day?
>
> -sw

Honey, I was sitting out on the patio watching the birds and putting up a
misting system on my patio fence. I thought you were supposed to be
visiting kilikini and TFM (whateverthe****that thing is) this weekend?

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:28:43 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>>You forgot to announce Sunday afternoon chat. You skipped right
>>>from morning to evening chat.
>>>

Boli and i boring ourselves silly right now with an heroic overture

http://www.minibite.com/passion/embrace/hero.htm

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:28:43 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>> You forgot to announce Sunday afternoon chat. You skipped right
>>> from morning to evening chat.
>>>
>>> Seriously, though. Doesn't every know there's a chat room
>>> available at all times of the day and that you can check it just
>>> like you do Usenet and email?
>>>
>>> Is it really necessary for someone to post about it 3 times a
>>> day?
>>
>> Honey, I was sitting out on the patio watching the birds and putting
>> up a misting system on my patio fence.
>
> Otherwise you would have posted at lunch time, too? Talk about
> missing the point.
>
>> I thought you were supposed to be
>> visiting kilikini and TFM (whateverthe****that thing is) this
>> weekend?
>
> That party is next weekend. Jealous are ya?
>
> -sw

No, frankly.

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:28:43 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>
>> I thought you were supposed to be
>> visiting kilikini and TFM (whateverthe****that thing is) this
>> weekend?
>
> That party is next weekend. Jealous are ya?
>
> -sw

Steve, I don't even think we're going to go to the HTH at this point.
Yesterday, we tested out our A/C just because the house was 93 degrees and
humid. We set the A/C on 87 degrees, just to clear out the humidity because
it was THICK. The A/C was on for about 1/2 hour and we heard a loud POOF!
Smoke started billowing out from all of our ducts and we had to call 911.
While I was on the phone, TFM® tried to desperately round up the cats who
immediately vanished under the furniture as the house filled with smoke from
the electrical meltdown.

Luckily, the fire department was here within about 7 minutes and checked
everything. I guess a compressor or something in the A/C blew and melted
the wires. It wasn't *really* serious, but it was so scary; I've never had
to deal with a fire before! (Although the fire dept. said 1 in 8 houses end
up calling them for a fire at one point or another.) Anyway, since we can't
leave for three days and keep the house open in this neighborhood, we don't
think we can go. At least I know *I* won't be going; I'm still trying to
convince TFM® to go. He claims he won't go without me.

I'll have to post something to the BBQ groups and I may just copy the
majority of this text to make it easy. Anyway, that's where we stand now.
Bummer.

kili

On 2007-06-11, Steve Wertz > wrote:

> Seriously, though. Doesn't every know there's a chat room
> available at all times of the day and that you can check it just
> like you do Usenet and email?

Not everyone hangs out on irc 24/7. Sometimes we drop in to find no
one there. Others, I suspect, do the same, so we end up missing each
other. Posting in rfc that folks are in irc is just an invite. Feel
free to ignore it.

nb

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:41:36 -0400, kilikini wrote:
>
>> Steve, I don't even think we're going to go to the HTH at this point.
>
> And I know I'm not going to make it. I posted something to AFB
> yesterday or Friday about it.
>
> Especially now since I'm off to the hospital for some sort of
> allergic reaction. My face is all swollen and I can't open my
> eyes all the way. This has been getting worse for 2 days now
>
> ObFood: A cold hot dog right from the package for breakfast.
>
> -sw

Could it be a food allergy, Steve? How weird. Good luck!

kili

notbob wrote:
> On 2007-06-11, Steve Wertz > wrote:
>
>> Seriously, though. Doesn't every know there's a chat room
>> available at all times of the day and that you can check it just
>> like you do Usenet and email?
>
> Not everyone hangs out on irc 24/7. Sometimes we drop in to find no
> one there. Others, I suspect, do the same, so we end up missing each
> other. Posting in rfc that folks are in irc is just an invite. Feel
> free to ignore it.
>
> nb

Don't bother trying to get through to him, nb. He's got something against
me and you can bet it's not his penis. He wouldn't have the nerve to meet
me in person; I'd say he likes women who can be pushed around and I'm not
one of them. At least this time he didn't morph his name like a troll.

By the way, baby artichokes are delicious steamed with stone crab claws

Jill

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:33:01 -0400, kilikini wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:41:36 -0400, kilikini wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve, I don't even think we're going to go to the HTH at this
>>>> point.
>>>
>>> And I know I'm not going to make it. I posted something to AFB
>>> yesterday or Friday about it.
>>>
>>> Especially now since I'm off to the hospital for some sort of
>>> allergic reaction. My face is all swollen and I can't open my
>>> eyes all the way. This has been getting worse for 2 days now
>>>
>>> ObFood: A cold hot dog right from the package for breakfast.
>>
>> Could it be a food allergy, Steve? How weird. Good luck!
>
> Doctors are useless. They just gave me some Prednisone and
> scooted me out the door. In the meantime it just gets worse.
> I'll probably be back there again tomorrow.
>
> -sw

I was going to tell you that they were going to prescribe you prednisone. I
figured you'd know that already, though. Darn it.

kili

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:56:59 -0500, Steve Wertz
> wrote:


>Doctors are useless. They just gave me some Prednisone and
>scooted me out the door. In the meantime it just gets worse.
>I'll probably be back there again tomorrow.
>
>-sw

Take some Benadryl.

And if start having any difficulty breathing, or swallowing, go to the
ER fast. I hope they at least told you that.

Christine

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:12:28 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> He wouldn't have the nerve to meet me in person;
>
> Wanna ride together to Georgia? We can get to know each other.
> It'll be fun. TFM will be there, too. You can tell him what you
> think of him in person.
>
>> At least this time he didn't morph his name like a troll.
>
> Killfile still broken? Trolls don't sign their names to their
> posts.
>
> -sw

You do. And no, I won't be driving to Georgia with you. Gonna fly there
instead Oh, sorry, not meeting you or TFM or Christy; going to visit a
friend. Might rent a car from there and drive to see my parents.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:12:28 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> He wouldn't have the nerve to meet me in person;
>>
>> Wanna ride together to Georgia? We can get to know each other.
>> It'll be fun. TFM will be there, too. You can tell him what you
>> think of him in person.
>>
>>> At least this time he didn't morph his name like a troll.
>>
>> Killfile still broken? Trolls don't sign their names to their
>> posts.
>>
>> -sw
>
> You do. And no, I won't be driving to Georgia with you. Gonna fly
> there instead Oh, sorry, not meeting you or TFM or Christy; going
> to visit a friend. Might rent a car from there and drive to see my
> parents.
>
> Jill

Well, we're not going, either Jill. We had an electrical fire yesterday.
Our plans for the weekend are off or at least on hold.

kili

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:02:53 -0400, kilikini wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:33:01 -0400, kilikini wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could it be a food allergy, Steve? How weird. Good luck!
>>>
>>> Doctors are useless. They just gave me some Prednisone and
>>> scooted me out the door. In the meantime it just gets worse.
>>> I'll probably be back there again tomorrow.
>>
>> I was going to tell you that they were going to prescribe you
>> prednisone. I figured you'd know that already, though. Darn it.
>
> Doesn't this stuff make your pee pee shrink? Well, not *your*
> pee pee, but my pee pee.
>
> I wanted some pain killers, too, for the immediate itch - which
> is more of a pain than an itch now. I just want to rip my skin
> off so I can get down to the underlying itch.
>
> I find it hard to believe they have nothing for itch. I've tried
> the Benedryl, Benzocaine, Lanocaine, etc... We'll see who's
> laughing when they send me the bill.
>
> -sw

Just don't pay it. What are they gonna do? I've got medical bills up the
ying yang and I'm getting threatened to be sued by umpteen offices. I just
respond with, um, can't pay it, sorry. They tell me, "Oh, you know this is
going to affect your credit record don't you?" I just answer back with,
"Hey, I've been given less than 5 years, what do I care?" They leave me
alone now. :~)

kili

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:54:15 -0400, Christine Dabney wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:56:59 -0500, Steve Wertz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Doctors are useless. They just gave me some Prednisone and
>>> scooted me out the door. In the meantime it just gets worse.
>>> I'll probably be back there again tomorrow.
>>
>> Take some Benadryl.
>>
>> And if start having any difficulty breathing, or swallowing, go to
>> the ER fast. I hope they at least told you that.
>
> I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, but I really don't think this
> is an allergy. I think I came into contact with something
> natural or chemical.
>
> I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, so I have the CostCo-size jar
> of Diphenhydramine ($3.96 for 400 of them), The CostCo-size jug
> of Famotadine, and a couple of the stogie-sized injections of
> Epinephrine.
>
> They should have at least gave me some Ephinephrine if they
> really thought it was an allergic reaction.
>
> -sw

So did they say ANYTHING difinitive?

kili

Steve Wertz wrote:

> I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, so I have the CostCo-size jar
> of Diphenhydramine ($3.96 for 400 of them), The CostCo-size jug
> of Famotadine, and a couple of the stogie-sized injections of
> Epinephrine.
>
> They should have at least gave me some Ephinephrine if they
> really thought it was an allergic reaction.


No they shouldn't have. If you weren't going into anaphalactic shock,
why would they give that to you? Why put your heart through that
unnecessarily?
Benadryl and the prednisone should do the trick.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> I wanted some pain killers, too, for the immediate itch - which
> is more of a pain than an itch now. I just want to rip my skin
> off so I can get down to the underlying itch.

It's probably not useful advice,
but have you tried ice?

Another possibility is capsaicin,
for example from chili peppers.
It's called counter-irritation,
using one form of pain to distract
from another. It's used in some
topical arthritis creams. It doesn't
actually relieve the original complaint,
but it creates a sensation that draws
the attention of the brain away from it.

Camphor is used in some topical
creams for back pain, which creates
skin inflammation (which feels like
heat) for a similar purpose.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:24:45 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-06-11, Steve Wertz > wrote:
>
>> Seriously, though. Doesn't every know there's a chat room
>> available at all times of the day and that you can check it just
>> like you do Usenet and email?
>
>Not everyone hangs out on irc 24/7. Sometimes we drop in to find no
>one there. Others, I suspect, do the same, so we end up missing each
>other. Posting in rfc that folks are in irc is just an invite. Feel
>free to ignore it.
>
Ditto! I don't post about being in chat very much, but I'm there
pretty often (especially on the weekends). As a matter of fact, I'm
going to pop in right tonight and see what's cooking in rfc chat!
Last night, I tuned into chat after 10PM PST and found boli there. If
newbies had the patience to stick around more than a minute or two,
they will usuallysomeone else will pop in after a while.

I'm not advocating tuning into chat and staring at the screen if no
one is there - fer heaven's sake! MULTITASK... I never use a full
screen for any program. Tile your windows so you can see when
someone else comes in.


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Mark Thorson wrote:
<snips)
>
> Camphor is used in some topical
> creams for back pain, which creates
> skin inflammation (which feels like
> heat) for a similar purpose.

Over the weekend, there was some news on TV about a high school girl who
apparently died from an overdose of "Methyl salicylate" (is that related
to camphor?), which is used in many topical creams for muscle pain
(think Bengay). Here's a link to the story --
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hig...ory?id=2900337 -- or
one can google with the terms "bengay high school death" or something
similar.

I've never heard of anything like this before (not that it can't
happen), nor did I know that cinnamon was potentially toxic either!

Sky, who hopes everything in moderation is not a bad thing

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:08:00 -0500, Skyhooks
> wrote:

>Mark Thorson wrote:
><snips)
>>
>> Camphor is used in some topical
>> creams for back pain, which creates
>> skin inflammation (which feels like
>> heat) for a similar purpose.
>
>Over the weekend, there was some news on TV about a high school girl who
>apparently died from an overdose of "Methyl salicylate" (is that related
>to camphor?), which is used in many topical creams for muscle pain
>(think Bengay). Here's a link to the story --
>http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hig...ory?id=2900337 -- or
>one can google with the terms "bengay high school death" or something
>similar.
>
>I've never heard of anything like this before (not that it can't
>happen), nor did I know that cinnamon was potentially toxic either!
>
>Sky, who hopes everything in moderation is not a bad thing

Are you talking about the athlete who put some sort of rub on her
aching muscles and died? I think we'll have more details for that
story in a later.

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"Skyhooks" > wrote

> Over the weekend, there was some news on TV about a high school girl who
> apparently died from an overdose of "Methyl salicylate" (is that related
> to camphor?), which is used in many topical creams for muscle pain
> (think Bengay). Here's a link to the story --
> http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hig...ory?id=2900337 -- or
> one can google with the terms "bengay high school death" or something
> similar.
>
> I've never heard of anything like this before (not that it can't
> happen), nor did I know that cinnamon was potentially toxic either!

I don't know where I read that, but I did learn quickly that it's best to
buy cinnamon supplements rather than just take it willy-nilly. Could be
I read it in one of those Dr. columns.

Interesting, in the article the mother said she didn't know that over-the-
counter medications could be dangerous. I guess a lot of people think
that way, I know I was surprised at how toxic Tylenol type pain killers
are. You just know people pop those without a second thought to
reading the dosage.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> Interesting, in the article the mother said she didn't know that over-the-
> counter medications could be dangerous. I guess a lot of people think
> that way, I know I was surprised at how toxic Tylenol type pain killers
> are. You just know people pop those without a second thought to
> reading the dosage.
>
> nancy

Or taking beer or wine with them, although the case in which a man's
liver was destroyed by doing so was well-publicized years back, and I
think it's in the print on the packet now.

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"Giusi" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> Interesting, in the article the mother said she didn't know that
>> over-the-
>> counter medications could be dangerous. I guess a lot of people think
>> that way, I know I was surprised at how toxic Tylenol type pain killers
>> are. You just know people pop those without a second thought to
>> reading the dosage.

> Or taking beer or wine with them, although the case in which a man's liver
> was destroyed by doing so was well-publicized years back, and I think it's
> in the print on the packet now.

Absolutely, and who reads that fine print? Not me. Also, and I
know how this sounds, but I don't think I've ever noticed medication
use instructions that didn't say Don't take with alcohol. Sometimes
they mean it more than others. You get the idea they just put it on there
to cover their ass, after a while.

I saw some alarming statistic of what percentage of people on the
liver transplant list are there because of misuse of Tylenol. I don't
think that danger is played up enough, they don't even mention it
in those ads that warn you to read the label.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Absolutely, and who reads that fine print? Not me. Also, and I
> know how this sounds, but I don't think I've ever noticed medication
> use instructions that didn't say Don't take with alcohol. Sometimes
> they mean it more than others. You get the idea they just put it on
> there to cover their ass, after a while.
>
> I saw some alarming statistic of what percentage of people on the
> liver transplant list are there because of misuse of Tylenol. I don't
> think that danger is played up enough, they don't even mention it
> in those ads that warn you to read the label.
>
> nancy

Nancy, you are absolutely correct. And I'm the type of person of whom
you're referring to. My liver damage isn't all due to my iron disorder
called hemochromatosis. When I told the doctors that from about age 8 on, I
was prescribed 1800 mg of Ibuprofin every 4 hours during my periods because
I had such bad cramps, their eyes lit up in horror. I didn't know at the
time that between the pain relievers and the food I was eating (dark green
veggies, chicken and beef), I was killing myself. I finally stopped taking
that many pain pills only about 10 years ago. That's about 28 years of
abuse on food and pills alone.

Tylenol, Ibuprofin, Aleve - most pain relievers are *terrible* for your
liver. I can only take aspirin now. When I was in the hospital, it was very
difficult for them to give me anything for the pain that didn't affect liver
function, so I had to have dilaudil. I've also worked with chemicals, in
the past, and didn't use gloves. Bleach, cleansers, paint thinners, various
toxic solubles, laminates....all those get absorbed into your skin and go
directly to your liver. Add a few years of some hard core drinking in there
and you have a recipe for disaster. I am currently that disaster. I've
been given less than 5 years to live if I don't get a transplant and I'm not
even 40 yet.

What bothers me about the warning labels is that they don't tell you WHY you
shouldn't mix product A with product B. Okay, here's a prime example. I
wear hard contacts and my eyes get dry sometimes. I go for the Visine. The
label on the Visine container specifically says "Do not use if you wear
contacts." Why? So I say screw it and use it anyway. Am I going to go
blind, now, too?

A little education goes a long way and I think the general public ignores
it. I know *I* did. I'm much more careful now and I take herbal
supplements that help to regenerate damaged liver functions. I've changed
my diet, I only use aspirin for pain, and I use natural "chemicals" for
cleaning. I'm hoping these lifestyle changes will buy me a couple more
years.

Okay, that's the end of my rant. Now move along. :~)

kili

kilikini wrote:
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:54:15 -0400, Christine Dabney wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:56:59 -0500, Steve Wertz
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doctors are useless. They just gave me some Prednisone and
>>>> scooted me out the door. In the meantime it just gets worse.
>>>> I'll probably be back there again tomorrow.
>>> Take some Benadryl.
>>>
>>> And if start having any difficulty breathing, or swallowing, go to
>>> the ER fast. I hope they at least told you that.
>> I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, but I really don't think this
>> is an allergy. I think I came into contact with something
>> natural or chemical.
>>
>> I'm allergic to a bunch of stuff, so I have the CostCo-size jar
>> of Diphenhydramine ($3.96 for 400 of them), The CostCo-size jug
>> of Famotadine, and a couple of the stogie-sized injections of
>> Epinephrine.
>>
>> They should have at least gave me some Ephinephrine if they
>> really thought it was an allergic reaction.
>>
>> -sw
>
> So did they say ANYTHING difinitive?
>
> kili
>
>
Do not mix epheinephrine with Prednisone. I did to my shock and regret.
I thought I was going to die!
Lorne

On Jun 12, 1:48 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > Absolutely, and who reads that fine print? Not me. Also, and I
> > know how this sounds, but I don't think I've ever noticed medication
> > use instructions that didn't say Don't take with alcohol. Sometimes
> > they mean it more than others. You get the idea they just put it on
> > there to cover their ass, after a while.
>
> > I saw some alarming statistic of what percentage of people on the
> > liver transplant list are there because of misuse of Tylenol. I don't
> > think that danger is played up enough, they don't even mention it
> > in those ads that warn you to read the label.
>
> > nancy
>
> Nancy, you are absolutely correct. And I'm the type of person of whom
> you're referring to. My liver damage isn't all due to my iron disorder
> calledhemochromatosis. When I told the doctors that from about age 8 on, I
> was prescribed 1800 mg of Ibuprofin every 4 hours during my periods because
> I had such bad cramps, their eyes lit up in horror. I didn't know at the
> time that between the pain relievers and the food I was eating (dark green
> veggies, chicken and beef), I was killing myself. I finally stopped taking
> that many pain pills only about 10 years ago. That's about 28 years of
> abuse on food and pills alone.
>
> Tylenol, Ibuprofin, Aleve - most pain relievers are *terrible* for your
> liver. I can only take aspirin now. When I was in the hospital, it was very
> difficult for them to give me anything for the pain that didn't affect liver
> function, so I had to have dilaudil. I've also worked with chemicals, in
> the past, and didn't use gloves. Bleach, cleansers, paint thinners, various
> toxic solubles, laminates....all those get absorbed into your skin and go
> directly to your liver. Add a few years of some hard core drinking in there
> and you have a recipe for disaster. I am currently that disaster. I've
> been given less than 5 years to live if I don't get a transplant and I'm not
> even 40 yet.
>
> What bothers me about the warning labels is that they don't tell you WHY you
> shouldn't mix product A with product B. Okay, here's a prime example. I
> wear hard contacts and my eyes get dry sometimes. I go for the Visine. The
> label on the Visine container specifically says "Do not use if you wear
> contacts." Why? So I say screw it and use it anyway. Am I going to go
> blind, now, too?
>
> A little education goes a long way and I think the general public ignores
> it. I know *I* did. I'm much more careful now and I take herbal
> supplements that help to regenerate damaged liver functions. I've changed
> my diet, I only use aspirin for pain, and I use natural "chemicals" for
> cleaning. I'm hoping these lifestyle changes will buy me a couple more
> years.
>
> Okay, that's the end of my rant. Now move along. :~)
>
> kili

Hemochromatosis and Phlebotomy - Blog is still live

Hi

Just to let you know that our blog is still open for a few days. The
discussion has changed in the last few days so we would like to take
this opportunity to invite you again to a research blog (again) on
Hemochromatosis.

To take part please click this link

http://www.thepatientconnections.com/blog.asp?uid=44


The blog is anonymous and easy to use. Instructions are given on the
blog so thanks in advance for your help it is much appreciated.


Best wishes

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kilikini wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
> I wear hard contacts and my eyes get dry sometimes. I go
> for the Visine. The label on the Visine container specifically says
> "Do not use if you wear contacts." Why? So I say screw it and use
> it anyway. Am I going to go blind, now, too?
>
No, it's because it will ruin your contact lenses and you'll have to pay for
new ones way too soon. They make a special Visine formula for contact
wearers (or at least, they used to). I just splash saline solution in my
eyes (whether I'm wearing my contacts or not).

> A little education goes a long way and I think the general public
> ignores it. I know *I* did. I'm much more careful now and I take
> herbal supplements that help to regenerate damaged liver functions.

I am not convinced that herbal does a darn thing to help liver regeneration
so I don't take it. And I was very alarmed by a news report where some
woman's friend had recommended she take Ginko Biloba to help with memory
loss. The woman who took it didn't tell or ask her doctor about it. She
was already on prescription blood thinners and Ginko Biloba is a natural
blood thinner, so she could have done herself some real harm. Taking
herbals just because a friend says it works for them is not a good idea.

Having said all that, my doctor knows exactly what prescriptions I take and
he knows I drink wine and beer, too, although (contrary to popular belief) I
don't do it on a daily basis. When I have trouble sleeping he has
absolutely no problem with my taking a couple of valerian root capsules (or
drinking valeriana tea) before bedtime rather than him prescribing something
to help me sleep.

> I've changed my diet, I only use aspirin for pain, and I use natural
> "chemicals" for cleaning. I'm hoping these lifestyle changes will
> buy me a couple more years.
>
At my age I pop one aspirin a day (again, my doctor knows about it). If I
need it for pain, never more than 2 more that same day. That's rare.

Jill