Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
Smitty in St.Pete

"J S" > wrote in message

> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> Smitty in St.Pete

Chew. Didn't your Mom tell you not to gulp your food down?

BOB

On Jun 15, 7:27 pm, (J S) wrote:
> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.

I've finally switched to powdered. It's safer when you have a child.

> Smitty in St.Pete

--Bryan

Bay Leaf Question

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 8:47pm From:
(BOB)
"J S" > wrote in message

Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them. Smitty in St.Pete
Chew. Didn't your Mom tell you not to gulp your food down?
BOB
<Yes she sure did,,,Ive always taken it out just to be safe,but messed
up,,it doesnt always soften up -can be quite painfull
Cheers
Smitty in St.Pete

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:27:03 -0400, J S wrote:
>
> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay
> > leaf in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone
> > else.It happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite
> > serious/Ive noticed some TV chefs leave it in and others remove
> > them.
> > Smitty in St.Pete
>
> I'm wondering how a whole bay leaf ends up in the back of your
> throat. Don't you notice something like that going into your
> mouth, or at least by the time it hits your tongue?
>
> Are a you a shoveler?
>
> -sw

That's what I was thinking with my "chew" comment. With young kids, well'
I'd probably fish out the leaf, or leave it out in the first place.

BOB

On Jun 15, 8:47 pm, " BOB" > wrote:
> "J S" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> > in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> > happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> > some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> > Smitty in St.Pete
>
> Chew. Didn't your Mom tell you not to gulp your food down?
>
> BOB


Usually, when a recipe calls for a bay leaf I leave it out bcause it
overwhelms the more subtle flavors, but when I use seasonings that
have to be removed, I put them in a stainless steel tea ball and
remove it when the sauce or soup tastes right.

wrote:
> On Jun 15, 8:47 pm, " BOB" > wrote:
>> "J S" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay
>>> leaf in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone
>>> else.It happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite
>>> serious/Ive noticed some TV chefs leave it in and others remove
>>> them.
>>> Smitty in St.Pete
>>
>> Chew. Didn't your Mom tell you not to gulp your food down?
>>
>> BOB
>
>
> Usually, when a recipe calls for a bay leaf I leave it out bcause it
> overwhelms the more subtle flavors, but when I use seasonings that
> have to be removed, I put them in a stainless steel tea ball and
> remove it when the sauce or soup tastes right.

A double-folded square of cheesecloth tied with kitchen twine works just as
well.

Bay Leaf Question

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2007, 1:42am (EDT+4) From:
ost (Steve*Wertz)
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:27:03 -0400, J S wrote:
Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them. Smitty in St.Pete
I'm wondering how a whole bay leaf ends up in the back of your throat.
Don't you notice something like that going into your mouth, or at least
by the time it hits your tongue?
Are a you a shoveler?
-sw

<<Yes I guess I am sometimes...although I thought Id removed them(senior
moment)
Sometimes though they do break into pieces. .Must slow down,,,
Cheers Smitty in St.Pete

My mother used to put them in a piece of cheesecloth and tie it.Will try
the teaball thing,thanks...
Smitty

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:27:03 -0400, (J S) wrote:

>Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
>in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
>happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
>some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
>Smitty in St.Pete

Sounds like you broke up the bay leaf. Don't do that! Crack it, but
leave it whole. You won't forget to remove it because you can see it
and you won't have to fish out small pieces.

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Bay Leaf Question

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 9:28pm (EDT-1) From:
(jmcquown)
wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:47 pm, " BOB" > wrote:
"J S" > wrote in message

Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
Smitty in St.Pete
Chew. Didn't your Mom tell you not to gulp your food down?
BOB
Usually, when a recipe calls for a bay leaf I leave it out bcause it
overwhelms the more subtle flavors, but when I use seasonings that have
to be removed, I put them in a stainless steel tea ball and remove it
when the sauce or soup tastes right.
A double-folded square of cheesecloth tied with kitchen twine works just
as well.
<<guess my mom was right,,,about the cheesecloth...will hunt some up.My
grandmother used to get hers in an old(1940s-50s) Italian grocer in a
glass jar, many of them were not whole,bit pieces..
Smitty in St.Pete

In article .com>,
BOBOBOnoBO(R) > wrote:

> On Jun 15, 7:27 pm, (J S) wrote:
> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> > in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> > happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> > some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
>
> I've finally switched to powdered. It's safer when you have a child.

Or you could just teach the child how to eat; that way, the kid won't
get into trouble eating out, or at a friend's house.

Isaac

In article >,
(J S) wrote:

>
> Bay Leaf Question
>
> Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 9:28pm (EDT-1) From:
> (jmcquown)
> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 8:47 pm, " BOB" > wrote:
> "J S" > wrote in message
>
> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> Smitty in St.Pete
> Chew. Didn't your Mom tell you not to gulp your food down?
> BOB
> Usually, when a recipe calls for a bay leaf I leave it out bcause it
> overwhelms the more subtle flavors, but when I use seasonings that have
> to be removed, I put them in a stainless steel tea ball and remove it
> when the sauce or soup tastes right.
> A double-folded square of cheesecloth tied with kitchen twine works just
> as well.
> <<guess my mom was right,,,about the cheesecloth...will hunt some up.My
> grandmother used to get hers in an old(1940s-50s) Italian grocer in a
> glass jar, many of them were not whole,bit pieces..
> Smitty in St.Pete

Screen teaball = faster and easier.
I don't have any real use for cheesecloth other than maybe making up an
herb ball out of it, and I don't need more "stuff" taking up space in
the kitchen.

I always have teaballs on hand...
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(J S) wrote in news:11505-46734E17-293@storefull-
3136.bay.webtv.net:

> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.

This is the reasoning about removing them. Seems there's fine hooks on the
bay leaf edges....

If you have trouble hunting up cheese cloth try tying a cotton thread to
the bay leaf or crumble it to powder before use.

Myself, when I buy bay leaves I powderize them, with a stick blender before
I bottle them for storage. And use them by the tsp or portion thereof.

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J S wrote:
> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> Smitty in St.Pete
>
I pull them out at serving if I see it readily, otherwise I figure most
people shouldn't be putting so much on their fork/spoon nor shoveling it
in their mouth so fast that they are in any danger of missing it if it
should appear in their dish...?

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:24:48 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>
>Screen teaball = faster and easier.
>I don't have any real use for cheesecloth other than maybe making up an
>herb ball out of it, and I don't need more "stuff" taking up space in
>the kitchen.
>
>I always have teaballs on hand...

I always use a screen teaball too. Cheesecloth and twine are two more
bulky items to keep on hand and store vs one *compact item* that
rarely needs replacement. With a teaball, all I do is fish it out of
the drawer, use it, wash it and put it back in the drawer until the
next time.

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In article >,
hahabogus > wrote:

> (J S) wrote in news:11505-46734E17-293@storefull-
> 3136.bay.webtv.net:
>
> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> > in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.
>
> This is the reasoning about removing them. Seems there's fine hooks on the
> bay leaf edges....
>
> If you have trouble hunting up cheese cloth try tying a cotton thread to
> the bay leaf or crumble it to powder before use.
>
> Myself, when I buy bay leaves I powderize them, with a stick blender before
> I bottle them for storage. And use them by the tsp or portion thereof.

I have seen powdered Bay leaf for sale.
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Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article >,
> hahabogus > wrote:
>
>> (J S) wrote in news:11505-46734E17-293@storefull-
>> 3136.bay.webtv.net:
>>
>> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay
>> > leaf in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone
>> > else.
>>
>> This is the reasoning about removing them. Seems there's fine hooks
>> on the bay leaf edges....
>>
>> If you have trouble hunting up cheese cloth try tying a cotton thread
>> to the bay leaf or crumble it to powder before use.
>>
>> Myself, when I buy bay leaves I powderize them, with a stick blender
>> before I bottle them for storage. And use them by the tsp or portion
>> thereof.
>
> I have seen powdered Bay leaf for sale.

I am a manly man and hence enjoy using my power tools...plus whole leaf
bay leaves are cheaper and I can do it myself for cheap.

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In article >, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:24:48 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Screen teaball = faster and easier.
> >I don't have any real use for cheesecloth other than maybe making up an
> >herb ball out of it, and I don't need more "stuff" taking up space in
> >the kitchen.
> >
> >I always have teaballs on hand...
>
> I always use a screen teaball too. Cheesecloth and twine are two more
> bulky items to keep on hand and store vs one *compact item* that
> rarely needs replacement. With a teaball, all I do is fish it out of
> the drawer, use it, wash it and put it back in the drawer until the
> next time.

Yep!
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In article >,
hahabogus > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in
> news >
> > In article >,
> > hahabogus > wrote:
> >
> >> (J S) wrote in news:11505-46734E17-293@storefull-
> >> 3136.bay.webtv.net:
> >>
> >> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay
> >> > leaf in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone
> >> > else.
> >>
> >> This is the reasoning about removing them. Seems there's fine hooks
> >> on the bay leaf edges....
> >>
> >> If you have trouble hunting up cheese cloth try tying a cotton thread
> >> to the bay leaf or crumble it to powder before use.
> >>
> >> Myself, when I buy bay leaves I powderize them, with a stick blender
> >> before I bottle them for storage. And use them by the tsp or portion
> >> thereof.
> >
> > I have seen powdered Bay leaf for sale.
>
> I am a manly man and hence enjoy using my power tools...plus whole leaf
> bay leaves are cheaper and I can do it myself for cheap.

Mortar and pestle? ;-)
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On Jun 16, 12:18 am, isw > wrote:
> In article .com>,
>
> BOBOBOnoBO(R) > wrote:
> > On Jun 15, 7:27 pm, (J S) wrote:
> > > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> > > in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> > > happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> > > some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
>
> > I've finally switched to powdered. It's safer when you have a child.
>
> Or you could just teach the child how to eat; that way, the kid won't
> get into trouble eating out, or at a friend's house.

It's also a lot faster. Getting bay leaf flavor into tomato sauce is
a two or more hour process.
>
> Isaac

--Bryan

(J S) wrote:
> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.

They should be removed before serving. I count my bay leaves. I
always use three, so I know that's how many to pull out.

Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
:

> Mortar and pestle? ;-)
>

I'm mortal and I used a stick blender.

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In article >,
hahabogus > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
> :
>
> > Mortar and pestle? ;-)
> >
>
> I'm mortal and I used a stick blender.

To powder???

You are kidding, right?
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Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
:

> In article >,
> hahabogus > wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
>> :
>>
>> > Mortar and pestle? ;-)
>> >
>>
>> I'm mortal and I used a stick blender.
>
> To powder???
>
> You are kidding, right?

well real close to powder, close enough for government use.

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In article >,
hahabogus > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
> :
>
> > In article >,
> > hahabogus > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet > wrote in newsmp_omelet-
> >> :
> >>
> >> > Mortar and pestle? ;-)
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm mortal and I used a stick blender.
> >
> > To powder???
> >
> > You are kidding, right?
>
> well real close to powder, close enough for government use.

Ok. :-)
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J S wrote:

> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> Smitty in St.Pete

Shoot, what's the big deal? I always leave them in.
I mean, no one's going to eat it, it's too big and hard.
What's the big deal about just picking it out when you're
eating if it ends up in your portion. It doesn't
hurt a thing.

Kate

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Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

In article >,
Kate Connally > wrote:

> J S wrote:
>
> > Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> > in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> > happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> > some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> > Smitty in St.Pete
>
> Shoot, what's the big deal? I always leave them in.
> I mean, no one's going to eat it, it's too big and hard.
> What's the big deal about just picking it out when you're
> eating if it ends up in your portion. It doesn't
> hurt a thing.
>
> Kate

Except to those that don't chew their food...
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"J S" > wrote in message
...
> Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
> in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
> happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
> some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
> Smitty in St.Pete
>

Drop it into a spice bag. Kinda hard to eat that w/o noticing.

Bay Leaf Question

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2007, 3:46pm From:
(Kswck)

"Drop it into a spice bag. Kinda hard to eat that w/o noticing. "



Its the pieces that break off that get you.Its kind of like getting a
potato chip,or Dorito stuck.
Cheers,Smitty

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:02:35 -0400, (J S) wrote:

>
> Bay Leaf Question
>
>Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Mon, Jun 18, 2007, 3:46pm From:
(Kswck)
>
>"Drop it into a spice bag. Kinda hard to eat that w/o noticing. "
>
>
>
>Its the pieces that break off that get you.Its kind of like getting a
>potato chip,or Dorito stuck.

I've never had that happen, Smitty. You must be a vigorous stirrer.


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On Jun 18, 8:16 am, Kate Connally > wrote:
>
> Shoot, what's the big deal? I always leave them in.
> I mean, no one's going to eat it, it's too big and hard.
> What's the big deal about just picking it out when you're
> eating if it ends up in your portion. It doesn't
> hurt a thing.
>
Sorry, it's just lazy and inconsiderate of those eating your food not
to remove it before serving. Sure, chances of a painful accident are
very small but why should those you invite to your table have to
assume the risk?

I remove bay leaves before serving; I devein shrimp before cooking; I
snip off the sharp points of artichoke leaves; I remove all the
gristle and silverskin when I cut up a chuck roast for stew. What's
the big deal? No big deal. Just seems like the right thing(s) to
do...... -aem

Bay Leaf Question

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 5:53pm (EDT-3) From:
(BOBOBOnoBO®)
'I've finally switched to powdered. It's safer when you have a child."
--Bryan


Did a Search our of curiosity to see how common this is,,,
Many people have never experienced this ,but its scary when you do,and
it can be serious...
http://www.google.com/search?q=bay+l...-1&btnG=Search

Smitty

Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Kate Connally > wrote:
>
>
>>J S wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Having had a recent near choking episode when I stupidly left bay leaf
>>>in my pasta sauce,Ive wondered if this has happened to anyone else.It
>>>happened to my friend up in Jersey and was quite serious/Ive noticed
>>>some TV chefs leave it in and others remove them.
>>>Smitty in St.Pete
>>
>>Shoot, what's the big deal? I always leave them in.
>>I mean, no one's going to eat it, it's too big and hard.
>>What's the big deal about just picking it out when you're
>>eating if it ends up in your portion. It doesn't
>>hurt a thing.
>>
>>Kate
>
>
> Except to those that don't chew their food...

Well, anyone whole eats in such a way as to swallow
a whole bay leave deserves what they get. ;-)

Kate

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Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

aem wrote:

> On Jun 18, 8:16 am, Kate Connally > wrote:
>
>>Shoot, what's the big deal? I always leave them in.
>>I mean, no one's going to eat it, it's too big and hard.
>>What's the big deal about just picking it out when you're
>>eating if it ends up in your portion. It doesn't
>>hurt a thing.
>>
>
> Sorry, it's just lazy and inconsiderate of those eating your food not
> to remove it before serving. Sure, chances of a painful accident are
> very small but why should those you invite to your table have to
> assume the risk?
>
> I remove bay leaves before serving; I devein shrimp before cooking; I
> snip off the sharp points of artichoke leaves; I remove all the
> gristle and silverskin when I cut up a chuck roast for stew. What's
> the big deal? No big deal. Just seems like the right thing(s) to
> do...... -aem

Well, yeah, those other things, but the bay leaf? Pish tosh.
Anyone offended by a bay leaf in their food is waaaaay too
sensitive, and needs to eat elsewhere.

Kate


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Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

In article >,
Kate Connally > wrote:

> > Except to those that don't chew their food...
>
> Well, anyone whole eats in such a way as to swallow
> a whole bay leave deserves what they get. ;-)
>
> Kate

No arguments there! <lol>

I watched my Brother in Law eating some chili dogs the other day.
He ate one in 3 bites in probably less than 5 seconds flat.

And yes, I did say something.

I learned ages ago that a big part of weight control was learning to
take the time to chew and enjoy the food!

Oddly enough, since I've started paying attention to this one little
item, I've noticed a lot of "shovelers" in the general population.

It would have taken me a good 15 to 20 minutes to eat the chili dog that
he inhaled in 5 seconds.

Would you like a straw with that next time?

It is all too common.
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In article >,
(J S) wrote:

> Bay Leaf Question
>
> Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 5:53pm (EDT-3) From:
> (BOBOBOnoBO®)
> 'I've finally switched to powdered. It's safer when you have a child."
> --Bryan
>
>
> Did a Search our of curiosity to see how common this is,,,
> Many people have never experienced this ,but its scary when you do,and
> it can be serious...
> http://www.google.com/search?q=bay+l...ISO-8859-1&btn
> G=Search
>
> Smitty

120,000 cites.

Wow.

Glad I always lay them on top and remove them...
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