Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
incidents:

http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> www.killerstoves.com

Well, there's a new one. I was expecting to see a stove on a ladder.

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"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>> www.killerstoves.com
>
> Well, there's a new one. I was expecting to see a stove on a ladder.
>
> leo
>

Thi is a solution looking for a problem. Sure, brackets can't be a bad
idea. But I have a GE stove much like any other and it not only does not
weigh enough to crush anyone it can't be so easily tipped over, either. The
leverage on the door is just not there and it is quite bottom heavy - the CG
is just above the floor. The door is only 9 inches above the floor and if I
applied weight to the very end of the open door, I'll just tip the stove a
little. And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up
and pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.

Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

Trust me, I know accidents can happen. I damn near died of shock when I had
just loaded up the dishwasher and was about to start it when I couldn't hold
the urge to pee any longer and when I returned to the kitchen I heard my
kitten mewing from inside the washer. I damn near turned the thing on
without knowing she had crawled inside while I was loading it.

You just can't always now what can happen and so you get used to doing
things like turning the pot handles to the side and looking inside the
dishwasher before closing the door.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
> pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
> Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.

I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.
--
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Think pink, drink rose'

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> incidents:
>
> http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

I'll give that a pass.

Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
under and behind it.
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Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> > incidents:
> >
> > http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
>
> I'll give that a pass.
>
> Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.
>
> I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
> under and behind it.
> --
> Peace, Om
>
> Remove _ to validate e-mails.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.

Pete C.

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >
> > > Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> > > incidents:
> > >
> > > http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
> >
> > I'll give that a pass.
> >
> > Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.
> >
> > I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
> > under and behind it.
>
> I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
> incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
> climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.
>
> Pete C.

That's just bizarre. My oven door is so low that even if a kid did this,
they might be able to tip the oven, but the base is so low, the kid
would fall IN to the oven and still not get crushed.

And I did not look at it either until now and the title is misleading.
The kids did not get crushed, just burned very badly which I can see
happening.

My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
oven if I had little kids around.
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Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > Mark Thorson > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> > > > incidents:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
> > >
> > > I'll give that a pass.
> > >
> > > Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.
> > >
> > > I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
> > > under and behind it.
> >
> > I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
> > incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
> > climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> That's just bizarre. My oven door is so low that even if a kid did this,
> they might be able to tip the oven, but the base is so low, the kid
> would fall IN to the oven and still not get crushed.

I wouldn't count on it. When they're climbing on the front of the door
and it goes over it's more likely to catch them in the door, half in,
half out. You may have a stove without or without much of a drawer at
the bottom, I think most stoves do have a fairly large drawer and the
oven bottom is a foot above the floor.

>
> And I did not look at it either until now and the title is misleading.
> The kids did not get crushed, just burned very badly which I can see
> happening.

I think you can check the CPSC site to find more on actually stove
tipping / crush incidents. I think in most cases the stove isn't on when
it happens either.

>
> My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
> oven if I had little kids around.

I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.

Pete C.

On 2007-06-26, Omelet > wrote:
>> http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
>
> I'll give that a pass.
>
> Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.

No kidding. I'd have to seriously work at tipping over my stove,
despite the fact it's a cheap electric. I think that website is a
crock.

nb

Vilco wrote:
>
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> > And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
> > pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
> > Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.
>
> I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
> stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
> good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.
> --
> Vilco
> Think pink, drink rose'

A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any toddlers
in your kitchen.

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:


> > Omelet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article >,
> > > Mark Thorson > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> > > > incidents:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
> > >
> > > I'll give that a pass.
> > >
> > > Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.
> > >
> > > I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
> > > under and behind it.

> That's just bizarre. My oven door is so low that even if a kid did this,
> they might be able to tip the oven, but the base is so low, the kid
> would fall IN to the oven and still not get crushed.


> And I did not look at it either until now and the title is misleading.
> The kids did not get crushed, just burned very badly which I can see
> happening.


You must not have looked at the site too closely. 18 deaths and 70
serious injuries over a 20 year period.


> My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
> oven if I had little kids around.

Good idea.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:05:53 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:
>
>A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any toddlers
>in your kitchen.

I did something even simpler. I turned the pot handles AWAY from the
edge of the stove so there was no temptation to reach for it. Problem
solved.

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:08:17 GMT, "Vilco" > wrote:

>Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
>> pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
>> Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.
>
>I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
>stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
>good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.

And when the toddler pulls the kitchen stool over to the stove and
climbs on it so they can see what's up there?

The kitchen is NOT the place for unsupervised animals, babies or
toddlers... when my brother was a baby my mother turned her back for a
few minutes and he pulled himself up onto the front of the heater and
then was stuck there screaming because his hands were burning and he
didn't know how to get down... that was in the living room but it
could just have easily happened on a hot oven. I NEVER let the cats
into the kitchen while I'm cooking, and do my darnest to keep them out
of there the rest of the time too, because they're a hazard to me and
to themselves...

If you have children or animals and you are cooking, you need to be
there and alert for disaster ALL THE TIME, because they don't know
that what they're doing is dangerous, and it could easily get them
killed...

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:49:33 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Omelet wrote:

>> My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
>> oven if I had little kids around.
>
>I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.

Our oven has a manual catch on the door... it's meant for the
self-cleaning cycle but I could see it used as a safety feature around
toddlers. Flip that lever over and the door will stay closed until you
flip it back.

writes:
>Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
>incidents:
>
>http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

Do you have one with vending machines?

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:47:10 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>> Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
>> incidents:
>>
>> http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
>
>I'll give that a pass.
>
>Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.
>
>I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
>under and behind it.

I've never heard of it. Must be pretty old/cruddy stoves that do it.
The statistics don't mention the age of the stoves. A lot of people
still have those "vintage" stoves. Perhaps that's it?

safe
double wall ovens and built in cooktop
no "stoves" for me


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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:43:33 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Omelet wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>
>> > Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
>> > incidents:
>> >
>> > http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
>>
>> I'll give that a pass.
>>
>> Anyone "talented" enough to tip a stove over deserves a darwin award.
>>
>> I've never tipped my stove over, not even when moving it out to clean
>> under and behind it.
>
>I've not looked at it, but I believe that nearly all stove tip over
>incidents relate to small children who get the oven door open and then
>climb on it at which point the whole thing tips over and crushes them.
>
Crushing isn't the issue.... burns from hot liquids are.

They have a statistics page (.pdf).... 33 deaths listed from 1980 to
2006. 58% were children, 42% were adults. 47% of the children were
under age 2.

The majority of injuries regardless of age were burns suffered from
hot liquids spilled from the pots or pans that tipped when the range
tilted.

Only 12 of 107 reports over 27 years indicated the year the stove was
manufactured or purchased.

Consumer Product Safety Commission Chronology
http://www.killerstoves.com/cpsc_chronology.php

The injuries occur when the oven door is open for either heating the
room or during cooking when a pan of food is placed on the door. One
scenario is that during the time the oven door is open, a young child
pushes downward on the edge of the door causing the unit to tip over
onto the child. In addition, incidents of elderly people falling on
open doors was also reported by the NPI team.

sf
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:22:30 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>
>> My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
>> oven if I had little kids around.
>
>Good idea.

If you've got a kid that climbs and an oven that tips, locking the
oven door isn't going to stop him/her. Oven handles are just a
convenient way to help you get where you want to go and if the oven is
locked - ALL THE BETTER to get there because that pesky door isn't
going to come open.

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In article >, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> Vilco wrote:
> >
> > Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >
> > > And securing the stove isn't going to keep toddlers from reach up and
> > > pulling pots off the stove. That happens way too often.
> > > Nothing will fix this "problem" except being careful.
> >
> > I have seen a kind of grating which you can attach to the perimeter of the
> > stove, built with a solid metal coupling, thus raising the top borders of a
> > good 7-8 inches. This way the pots are out of reach from toddlers.
> > --
> > Vilco
> > Think pink, drink rose'
>
> A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any toddlers
> in your kitchen.

My sister has her kitchen gated.

But not everybody is that smart.
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In article >,
Karen AKA Kajikit > wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:49:33 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Omelet wrote:
>
> >> My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
> >> oven if I had little kids around.
> >
> >I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.
>
> Our oven has a manual catch on the door... it's meant for the
> self-cleaning cycle but I could see it used as a safety feature around
> toddlers. Flip that lever over and the door will stay closed until you
> flip it back.

Exactly.
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In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:

> I think you can check the CPSC site to find more on actually stove
> tipping / crush incidents. I think in most cases the stove isn't on when
> it happens either.

Still, locking the oven door when there is something hot on a burner
might be a good idea.


> > My oven can lock when it's on. Better be damned sure that I'd lock my
> > oven if I had little kids around.
>
> I've not seen one that locks in any mode other than self clean.


I can lock my oven any time I want. Unless the kid figures out how to
unlock it (not hard), the cold oven is safe from tipping. I cannot have
it both locked and on, unless in the self clean mode.

The things you dig up, Mark ...


"Mark Thorson" in :
> Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
> incidents:
>
> http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

In article >, sf wrote:


> I've never heard of it. Must be pretty old/cruddy stoves that do it.
> The statistics don't mention the age of the stoves. A lot of people
> still have those "vintage" stoves. Perhaps that's it?


The site claims that the older stoves were OK. It's the newer stoves
that tip.

Mark Thorson > wrote:
>Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
>incidents:
>
>http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php

How about not letting your kids climb on the ****ing thing!

--Blair
"Holy inattention!"

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:44:13 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >, sf wrote:
>
>
>> I've never heard of it. Must be pretty old/cruddy stoves that do it.
>> The statistics don't mention the age of the stoves. A lot of people
>> still have those "vintage" stoves. Perhaps that's it?
>
>
>The site claims that the older stoves were OK. It's the newer stoves
>that tip.

I missed that one, but found other information.

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"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, sf wrote:
>
>
>> I've never heard of it. Must be pretty old/cruddy stoves that do it.
>> The statistics don't mention the age of the stoves. A lot of people
>> still have those "vintage" stoves. Perhaps that's it?
>
>
> The site claims that the older stoves were OK. It's the newer stoves
> that tip.

My stove is not quite 3 years old and the instruction manual mentioned that
it could tip. It didn't give the specifics of how to tip it and in the door
closed position, I can not get it to tip. I've tried! I can see how a
kid standing on the door might make it tip though. It seems pretty
lightweight as stoves go.

"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
.. .
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>Photos of victims of preventable stove tip-over
>>incidents:
>>
>>http://www.killerstoves.com/victims.php
>
> How about not letting your kids climb on the ****ing thing!

I kept a baby gate on the kitchen door when I was not in there up until my
daughter could open that gate on her own at about age 3. I learned to do
this very quickly after she crawled in there, put chocolate syrup everywhere
then sprinkled salt in it. No more kitchen for her!

As I recall, they do make locking devices for stoves. I bought one but it
didn't work with the stove we had then. A cheapo gas model provided by the
military.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:36:30 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

>How about not letting your kids climb on the ****ing thing!
>
> --Blair
> "Holy inattention!"

Have you ever had any small children in the house that you were 100%
responsible for at the time, Blair? Did you do any cooking when they
were there? Everyone has to eat sometime. If you chose to leave the
children alone in another room, they were old enough to take care of
themselves.

What you said is all fine and good as far as theory, but kids are kids
and they do things as soon as you take your eyes off them. In fact,
you can be watching them with both eyes, be within inches of them and
still not be fast enough to stop them from doing something that will
cause themselves harm. I know. It happened to me and it's like
watching a horror movie in slow motion.

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:23:53 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> A cheapo gas model provided by the military.

Are you still with the military? If so, where are you stationed? We
have one rfc memberwho is now in Italy. I wonder how her hubby got
*that* assignment? She hasn't been active in RFC lately. Hmmmm. I
wonder why.... LOLOL! Could it be that she's in Naples?




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Omelet wrote:

>> A simpler and more reliable solution is to simply not have any
>> toddlers in your kitchen.

> My sister has her kitchen gated.
> But not everybody is that smart.

Not evwerybody is so lucky to have somebody sit his babies when he's gonna
cook.
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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:23:53 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>> A cheapo gas model provided by the military.
>
> Are you still with the military? If so, where are you stationed? We
> have one rfc memberwho is now in Italy. I wonder how her hubby got
> *that* assignment? She hasn't been active in RFC lately. Hmmmm. I
> wonder why.... LOLOL! Could it be that she's in Naples?

Husband is in the military still. Yes. Not living in military housing at
the moment but he's stationed in Seattle.

sf wrote:

> Are you still with the military? If so, where are you stationed? We
> have one rfc memberwho is now in Italy. I wonder how her hubby got
> *that* assignment? She hasn't been active in RFC lately. Hmmmm. I
> wonder why.... LOLOL! Could it be that she's in Naples?

Naples is a standard accompanied tour for the Navy.