June 27, 2007
China shuts 180 food factories for using formaldehyde, illegal dyes
By AUDRA ANG
Associated Press

BEIJING - China has closed 180 food factories after inspectors found
industrial chemicals being used in products from candy to seafood,
state media said today.

The closures came amid a nationwide crackdown on shoddy and dangerous
products launched in December that also uncovered use of recycled or
expired food, the China Daily said.

Formaldehyde, illegal dyes, and industrial wax were found being used
to make candy, pickles, crackers and seafood, it said, citing Han Yi,
an official with the General Administration of Quality Supervision,
Inspection and Quarantine, which is responsible for food safety.

"These are not isolated cases," Han, director of the administration's
quality control and inspection department, was quoted as saying.

Han's admission was significant because the administration has said in
the past that safety violations were the work of a few rogue
operators, a claim which is likely part of a strategy to protect
China's billions of dollars (euros) of food exports.

International concerns over China's food safety problems ballooned
this year after high levels of toxins and industrial chemicals were
found in exported products.

Chinese-made toothpaste has been rejected by several countries in
North and South America and Asia, while Chinese wheat gluten tainted
with the chemical melamine was blamed for dog and cat deaths in North
America. Other products turned away by U.S. inspectors include toxic
monkfish, frozen eel and juice made with unsafe color additives.

Authorities in China have pushed for more stringent controls and
increased publicity of their efforts to control the problem.

Han said most of the offending manufacturers were small, unlicensed
food plants with fewer than 10 employees, and all had been shut down.
China Daily said 75 percent of China's estimated 1 million food
processing plants are small and privately owned.

According to Han, the ongoing inspections are focusing on commonly
consumed food such as meat, milk, beverages, soy sauce and cooking
oil. Rural areas and the suburbs - where standards are likely less
strict - are still considered key areas for inspectors, he said.

Meanwhile, another regulating agency, China's State Administration for
Industry and Commerce, said it closed 152,000 unlicensed food
manufacturers and retailers last year for making fake and low-quality
products.

It also banned 15,000 tons of "unqualified food" from entering the
market because it failed to meet national standards.

The report, posted on the administration's Web site Tuesday, gave no
other details and telephone calls to the administration were not
answered.

On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
> June 27, 2007
> China shuts 180 food factories for using formaldehyde, illegal dyes
> By AUDRA ANG
> Associated Press
>
> BEIJING - China has closed 180 food factories after inspectors found
> industrial chemicals being used in products from candy to seafood,
> state media said today.
>
> The closures came amid a nationwide crackdown on shoddy and dangerous
> products launched in December that also uncovered use of recycled or
> expired food, the China Daily said.
>
> Formaldehyde, illegal dyes, and industrial wax were found being used
> to make candy, pickles, crackers and seafood, it said, citing Han Yi,
> an official with the General Administration of Quality Supervision,
> Inspection and Quarantine, which is responsible for food safety.
>
> "These are not isolated cases," Han, director of the administration's
> quality control and inspection department, was quoted as saying.
>
> Han's admission was significant because the administration has said in
> the past that safety violations were the work of a few rogue
> operators, a claim which is likely part of a strategy to protect
> China's billions of dollars (euros) of food exports.
>
> International concerns over China's food safety problems ballooned
> this year after high levels of toxins and industrial chemicals were
> found in exported products.
>
> Chinese-made toothpaste has been rejected by several countries in
> North and South America and Asia, while Chinese wheat gluten tainted
> with the chemical melamine was blamed for dog and cat deaths in North
> America. Other products turned away by U.S. inspectors include toxic
> monkfish, frozen eel and juice made with unsafe color additives.
>
> Authorities in China have pushed for more stringent controls and
> increased publicity of their efforts to control the problem.
>
> Han said most of the offending manufacturers were small, unlicensed
> food plants with fewer than 10 employees, and all had been shut down.
> China Daily said 75 percent of China's estimated 1 million food
> processing plants are small and privately owned.
>
> According to Han, the ongoing inspections are focusing on commonly
> consumed food such as meat, milk, beverages, soy sauce and cooking
> oil. Rural areas and the suburbs - where standards are likely less
> strict - are still considered key areas for inspectors, he said.
>
> Meanwhile, another regulating agency, China's State Administration for
> Industry and Commerce, said it closed 152,000 unlicensed food
> manufacturers and retailers last year for making fake and low-quality
> products.
>
> It also banned 15,000 tons of "unqualified food" from entering the
> market because it failed to meet national standards.
>
> The report, posted on the administration's Web site Tuesday, gave no
> other details and telephone calls to the administration were not
> answered.

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"Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
propaganda organizations that work overtime.

------------------------------

On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
> ------------------------------
> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>
> ------------------------------

Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
consumption.

-Eric

Brontide wrote:
> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>> ------------------------------
>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>
> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
> consumption.
>
> -Eric
>


Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)

Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Brontide wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>> ------------------------------
>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>> consumption.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>
>
> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>
> Bob

Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your factories,
along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with that,
right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."

Never happen, but it should.

zxcvbob wrote:
> Brontide wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>> ------------------------------
>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>> consumption.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>
>
> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>
> Bob

You mean instead of the usual "we are giving you another big order and
you need to make it for 10% less than the last time"?

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Brontide wrote:
>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>>> consumption.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)

> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your
> factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You will be
> OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."

That last is pure fantasy.

> Never happen, but it should.

Not even possible on that last.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>>>> consumption.
>>>>
>>>> -Eric
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>
>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
>> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your
>> factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You will be
>> OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>
> That last is pure fantasy.
>
>> Never happen, but it should.
>
> Not even possible on that last.
>

I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal everything
they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers. I think we could
cause them a bit of pain for a while.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:

> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Brontide wrote:
> >> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
> >>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
> >>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
> >>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
> >> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
> >> consumption.
> >>
> >
> > Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
> >
> > Bob
>
> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your factories,
> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with that,
> right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>
> Never happen, but it should.

Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?

"Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
...
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Brontide wrote:
>> >> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>> >>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>> >>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>> >>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>> >> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>> >> consumption.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>> >
>> > Bob
>>
>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
>> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your
>> factories,
>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with that,
>> right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>
>> Never happen, but it should.
>
> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?

Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese into
better quality control will collapse our economy?

By the way, any company can stumble and never get up. A few deaths from
tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major problem on its hands, if
customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for dealing with thugs.

In article says...
> > Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>
> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese into
> better quality control will collapse our economy?

When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not buying
any more that will hurt our economy greatly. Plus all the fat people
who roam the aisles of WalMart every day won't be able to buy any
useless Chinese made crap.

"Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
.net...
> In article says...
>> > Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>
>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese into
>> better quality control will collapse our economy?
>
> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not buying
> any more that will hurt our economy greatly.



Uh oh. USA put on credit hold by China. Maybe our elected slobs would
correctly begin thinking of this country as a business. Rite Aid was on
credit hold for some time. New management did a nice job of hauling the
company out of the toilet.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>>>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>>>>> consumption.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>
>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>> your factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You
>>> will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by
>>> next week."
>>
>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>
>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>
>> Not even possible on that last.

> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.

Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt collapse
the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.

> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.

Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have nothing to sell.

They aint actually that stupid.

Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get that volume from.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>
>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>>>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>>>>> consumption.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>> your factories,
>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>
>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>
>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>
> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese
> into better quality control will collapse our economy?

> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.

> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major problem on its
> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for dealing with thugs.

That wouldnt kill Walmart.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>>>>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>>>>>> consumption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>
>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>> your factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You
>>>> will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by
>>>> next week."
>>>
>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>
>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>
>>> Not even possible on that last.
>
>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.
>
> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt
> collapse
> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>
>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>
> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have nothing to
> sell.
>
> They aint actually that stupid.
>
> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get that
> volume from.


The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More important
sometimes than cash.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>
>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>>>>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>>>>>> consumption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>> your factories,
>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>
>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>
>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>
>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese
>> into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>
>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.
>
>> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major
>> problem on its
>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for dealing
>> with thugs.
>
> That wouldnt kill Walmart.


You're probably right. So many of their customers love being lied to. It
wouldn't matter to them if toys were literally exploding in their children's
hands.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:

> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
> >
> >> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Brontide wrote:
> >> >> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
> >> >>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
> >> >>> ------------------------------
> >> >>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
> >> >>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
> >> >>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
> >> >> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
> >> >> consumption.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
> >> >
> >> > Bob
> >>
> >> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
> >> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your
> >> factories,
> >> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with that,
> >> right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
> >>
> >> Never happen, but it should.
> >
> > Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>
> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese into
> better quality control will collapse our economy?

Not in the least, but collapsing the Chinese economy will collapse the
U.S. econonmy. And vice versa. And the same with the E.U. economy.

> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up. A few deaths
> from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major problem on its
> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for
> dealing with thugs.

I didn't read your remark above as being limited to one company.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES
>>>>>>>> have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the
>>>>>>> US for consumption.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>
>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>>> your factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You
>>>>> will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by
>>>>> next week."
>>>>
>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>
>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>
>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>
>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.
>>
>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt
>> collapse
>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>
>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>
>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have nothing
>> to sell.
>>
>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>
>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get
>> that volume from.

> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More important sometimes than cash.

They're also quite capable of telling those who try
to monster them to go and **** themselves too.

"Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
...
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>
>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>> >
>> >> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Brontide wrote:
>> >> >> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>> >> >>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>> >> >>> ------------------------------
>> >> >>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>> >> >>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>> >> >>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
>> >> >> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
>> >> >> consumption.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob
>> >>
>> >> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
>> >> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your
>> >> factories,
>> >> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with that,
>> >> right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>> >>
>> >> Never happen, but it should.
>> >
>> > Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>
>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese into
>> better quality control will collapse our economy?
>
> Not in the least, but collapsing the Chinese economy will collapse the
> U.S. econonmy. And vice versa. And the same with the E.U. economy.
>

I'm not convinced that having our own people physically present to monitor
production would be such a problem. Matter of fact, a relative used to work
for a large American company that makes solutions for contact lenses in
China. The company has kept American staff in place from the day the
production facility was set up.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES
>>>>>>>>> have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the
>>>>>>>> US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>>>> your factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You
>>>>>> will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by
>>>>>> next week."
>>>>>
>>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>
>>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>>>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.
>>>
>>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt
>>> collapse
>>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>>
>>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>>
>>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have nothing
>>> to sell.
>>>
>>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>>
>>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get
>>> that volume from.
>
>> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More important
>> sometimes than cash.
>
> They're also quite capable of telling those who try
> to monster them to go and **** themselves too.


Sounds like you're admitting defeat. We're owned? Yes?

Mark Anderson > wrote

>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?

>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?

> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not buying any more

They arent stupid enough to do that given that its their biggest market.

> that will hurt our economy greatly.

Nope.

> Plus all the fat people who roam the aisles of WalMart every
> day won't be able to buy any useless Chinese made crap.

Wont happen either.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
> .net...
>> In article says...
>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>
>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?

>> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not buying any more that will hurt our
>> economy greatly.

> Uh oh. USA put on credit hold by China.

Not even possible.

> Maybe our elected slobs would correctly begin thinking of this country as a business.

Pity it isnt.

> Rite Aid was on credit hold for some time. New management did a nice job of hauling the company
> out of the toilet.

Companys arent countrys.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>>
>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES
>>>>>>>> have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the
>>>>>>> US for consumption.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>>> your factories,
>>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>
>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>
>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese
>>> into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>
>>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.

>>> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major problem on its
>>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for dealing with thugs.

>> That wouldnt kill Walmart.

> You're probably right. So many of their customers love being lied to.

Its not for that reason.

> It wouldn't matter to them if toys were literally exploding in their children's hands.

Corse it would. But that cant happen.

Peter Bruells > wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>
>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>
>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the
>>>>>> US for consumption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>> your factories,
>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>
>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>
>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>
>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese
>> into better quality control will collapse our economy?

> Not in the least, but collapsing the Chinese
> economy will collapse the U.S. econonmy.

Nope, it would just take some time to adjust.

> And vice versa. And the same with the E.U. economy.

Have fun explaining how come that didnt happen in WW2.

>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up. A few deaths
>> from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major problem on its
>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for
>> dealing with thugs.

> I didn't read your remark above as being limited to one company.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
>> .net...
>>> In article says...
>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>
>>> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not buying
>>> any more that will hurt our economy greatly.
>
>> Uh oh. USA put on credit hold by China.
>
> Not even possible.
>
>> Maybe our elected slobs would correctly begin thinking of this country as
>> a business.
>
> Pity it isnt.
>
>> Rite Aid was on credit hold for some time. New management did a nice job
>> of hauling the company out of the toilet.
>
> Companys arent countrys.
>

No, but that doesn't mean the execs should completely toss budgeting
thoughts out the window. As you said, "pity it isn't".

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES
>>>>>>>>> have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the
>>>>>>>> US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>>>> your factories,
>>>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>>>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the Chinese
>>>> into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>>
>>>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.
>
>>>> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major
>>>> problem on its
>>>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for
>>>> dealing with thugs.
>
>>> That wouldnt kill Walmart.
>
>> You're probably right. So many of their customers love being lied to.
>
> Its not for that reason.


What do you think the reason is? Because in so many locations, they've
eliminated all other sources for consumers?

"JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:

> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
> > JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> >> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Brontide wrote:
> >>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
> >>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
> >>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only after
> >>>> they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the US for
> >>>> consumption.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Eric
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
> >
> >> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are your
> >> biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in your
> >> factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You will be
> >> OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
> >
> > That last is pure fantasy.
> >
> >> Never happen, but it should.
> >
> > Not even possible on that last.
> >
>
> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal everything
> they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers. I think we could
> cause them a bit of pain for a while.

Dear me, you do know that Chinese overtook the U.S. in exports last
year and will overtake Germany, if it hasn't already?


And Wal Mart... well, that's a company that flopped horribly because
it couldn't stand the competitive market over here, cut its losses and
sold off its stores.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Please stop cross posting this crap!

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have propaganda
>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>> it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>> technicians in your factories, along with our own armed
>>>>>>> security personnel. You will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll
>>>>>>> collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>>
>>>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>>>>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.
>>>>
>>>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt
>>>> collapse
>>>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>>>
>>>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have
>>>> nothing to sell.
>>>>
>>>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get
>>>> that volume from.
>>
>>> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More
>>> important sometimes than cash.
>>
>> They're also quite capable of telling those who try
>> to monster them to go and **** themselves too.

> Sounds like you're admitting defeat.

Nope, just rubbing your nose in the fact that its nothing like your line.

> We're owned? Yes?

Nope. The US could certainly impose controls on the quality of US imports if it chose to.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries. China
>>>>>>>>>>> DOES have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>>> it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>>> technicians in your factories, along with our own armed
>>>>>>>> security personnel. You will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll
>>>>>>>> collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>>>>>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt
>>>>> collapse
>>>>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have
>>>>> nothing to sell.
>>>>>
>>>>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get
>>>>> that volume from.
>>>
>>>> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More
>>>> important sometimes than cash.
>>>
>>> They're also quite capable of telling those who try
>>> to monster them to go and **** themselves too.
>
>> Sounds like you're admitting defeat.
>
> Nope, just rubbing your nose in the fact that its nothing like your line.
>
>> We're owned? Yes?
>
> Nope. The US could certainly impose controls on the quality of US imports
> if it chose to.
>

....which is exactly where this conversation started, so we're going around
in circles.

Peter Bruells > wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true regulatory
>>>>>>> agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have
>>>>>>> propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to the
>>>>>> US for consumption.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about it)
>>>
>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We are
>>>> your biggest customer. We will be placing our own technicians in
>>>> your factories, along with our own armed security personnel. You
>>>> will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by
>>>> next week."
>>>
>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>
>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>
>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>
>>
>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers. I
>> think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>
> Dear me, you do know that Chinese overtook the U.S. in exports last year

Exports have never been that important to the US economy.

> and will overtake Germany, if it hasn't already?

No surprises there.

> And Wal Mart... well, that's a company that flopped horribly
> because it couldn't stand the competitive market over here,
> cut its losses and sold off its stores.

Doesnt change the fact that its a bigger operation than quite a few countrys.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
>>> .net...
>>>> In article says...
>>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>
>>>> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not
>>>> buying any more that will hurt our economy greatly.
>>
>>> Uh oh. USA put on credit hold by China.
>>
>> Not even possible.
>>
>>> Maybe our elected slobs would correctly begin thinking of this
>>> country as a business.
>>
>> Pity it isnt.
>>
>>> Rite Aid was on credit hold for some time. New management did a
>>> nice job of hauling the company out of the toilet.
>>
>> Companys arent countrys.

> No, but that doesn't mean the execs should completely toss budgeting thoughts out the window.

They dont.

> As you said, "pity it isn't".

Nope, no country of any significance could work like a company.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
>>>> .net...
>>>>> In article says...
>>>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>>
>>>>> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not
>>>>> buying any more that will hurt our economy greatly.
>>>
>>>> Uh oh. USA put on credit hold by China.
>>>
>>> Not even possible.
>>>
>>>> Maybe our elected slobs would correctly begin thinking of this
>>>> country as a business.
>>>
>>> Pity it isnt.
>>>
>>>> Rite Aid was on credit hold for some time. New management did a
>>>> nice job of hauling the company out of the toilet.
>>>
>>> Companys arent countrys.
>
>> No, but that doesn't mean the execs should completely toss budgeting
>> thoughts out the window.
>
> They dont.

Endless borrowing most certainly DOES mean politicians have lost their way.



>> As you said, "pity it isn't".
>
> Nope, no country of any significance could work like a company.

Financially, or administratively?

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries. China DOES have propaganda
>>>>>>>>>> organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>> it) Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>> technicians in your factories,
>>>>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>>>>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>>>
>>>>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.
>>
>>>>> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major
>>>>> problem on its
>>>>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for
>>>>> dealing with thugs.
>>
>>>> That wouldnt kill Walmart.
>>
>>> You're probably right. So many of their customers love being lied
>>> to.
>>
>> Its not for that reason.

> What do you think the reason is?

They find it a convenient place to buy what they buy.

It really is as basic as that.

> Because in so many locations, they've eliminated all other sources for consumers?

Nope, they havent eliminated anything. They've just been a lot
more successful at attracting customers than anyone else has.

And thats due to a variety of things, the prices of what they sell,
the range of what they sell, so its a one stop shop for many,
and they have plenty of quite adequately run stores so that
most consumers can use them if they decide they like them.

"Rod Speed" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>> "Peter Bruells" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries. China
>>>>>>>>>>> DOES have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>>> it) Bob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>>> technicians in your factories,
>>>>>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK with
>>>>>>>> that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US economy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.
>>>
>>>>>> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a major
>>>>>> problem on its
>>>>>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them for
>>>>>> dealing with thugs.
>>>
>>>>> That wouldnt kill Walmart.
>>>
>>>> You're probably right. So many of their customers love being lied
>>>> to.
>>>
>>> Its not for that reason.
>
>> What do you think the reason is?
>
> They find it a convenient place to buy what they buy.
>
> It really is as basic as that.
>
>> Because in so many locations, they've eliminated all other sources for
>> consumers?
>
> Nope, they havent eliminated anything. They've just been a lot
> more successful at attracting customers than anyone else has.
>
> And thats due to a variety of things, the prices of what they sell,
> the range of what they sell, so its a one stop shop for many,
> and they have plenty of quite adequately run stores so that
> most consumers can use them if they decide they like them.

There's a certain amount of hypnotism involved, though. Here, two
traditional supermarkets are precisely, inarguably as convenient as WM. A
couple of times a year, our local newspaper takes a grocery shopping list to
the two supermarkets, and the WM store. WM has ***NEVER*** been cheaper than
the other two stores. Mention this to WM worshippers and you'll get a blank
stare. Seriously. They believe that 3 is a smaller number than 2 because
they have been trained to believe it. They cannot understand how any store
can be cheaper than at their shopping church.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
> ...
>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries. China
>>>>>>>>>>>> DOES have propaganda organizations that work overtime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>>>> it)
>>>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>>>> technicians in your factories, along with our own armed
>>>>>>>>> security personnel. You will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll
>>>>>>>>> collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>>>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to equal
>>>>>>> everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country* customers.
>>>>>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL couldnt
>>>>>> collapse
>>>>>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>>>>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have
>>>>>> nothing to sell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can get
>>>>>> that volume from.
>>>>> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More
>>>>> important sometimes than cash.
>>>> They're also quite capable of telling those who try
>>>> to monster them to go and **** themselves too.
>>> Sounds like you're admitting defeat.
>> Nope, just rubbing your nose in the fact that its nothing like your line.
>>
>>> We're owned? Yes?
>> Nope. The US could certainly impose controls on the quality of US imports
>> if it chose to.
>>
>
> ...which is exactly where this conversation started, so we're going around
> in circles.
>
>

I was trying to suggest that Walmart might be in a better position to do
that than the govt. It works on a variety of levels.

Bob

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
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>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries.
>>>>>>>>>>>> China DOES have propaganda organizations that work
>>>>>>>>>>>> overtime. ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>>>> it)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>>>> technicians in your factories, along with our own armed
>>>>>>>>> security personnel. You will be OK with that, right? Or, we'll
>>>>>>>>> collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to
>>>>>>> equal everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country*
>>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL
>>>>>> couldnt collapse
>>>>>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have
>>>>>> nothing to sell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can
>>>>>> get that volume from.
>>>>
>>>>> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More
>>>>> important sometimes than cash.
>>>>
>>>> They're also quite capable of telling those who try
>>>> to monster them to go and **** themselves too.
>>
>>> Sounds like you're admitting defeat.
>>
>> Nope, just rubbing your nose in the fact that its nothing like your
>> line.
>>> We're owned? Yes?
>>
>> Nope. The US could certainly impose controls on the quality of US
>> imports if it chose to.

> ...which is exactly where this conversation started, so we're going around in circles.

Nope, we just had a minor diversion discussing what wouldnt work.

zxcvbob > wrote:
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
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>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> industries. China DOES have propaganda organizations that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work overtime. ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December
>>>>>>>>>>>> only after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic
>>>>>>>>>>>> goods to the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think
>>>>>>>>>>> about it)
>>>>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>>>>> technicians in your factories, along with our own armed
>>>>>>>>>> security personnel. You will be OK with that, right? Or,
>>>>>>>>>> we'll collapse your economy by next week."
>>>>>>>>> That last is pure fantasy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>>>> Not even possible on that last.
>>>>>>>> I've read the Wal Mart absorbs enough Chinese production to
>>>>>>>> equal everything they sell to their next 3 biggest *country*
>>>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>> Thats a pig ignorant lie, and even if it was true, it STILL
>>>>>>> couldnt collapse
>>>>>>> the chinese economy by next week anyway. Or next month either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we could cause them a bit of pain for a while.
>>>>>>> Nope, because Walmart wouldnt do that, because it would have
>>>>>>> nothing to sell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They aint actually that stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even Walmart has noticed that there isnt anywhere else they can
>>>>>>> get that volume from.
>>>>>> The Chinese place quite a bit of value on saving face. More
>>>>>> important sometimes than cash.
>>>>> They're also quite capable of telling those who try
>>>>> to monster them to go and **** themselves too.
>>>> Sounds like you're admitting defeat.
>>> Nope, just rubbing your nose in the fact that its nothing like your
>>> line.
>>>> We're owned? Yes?
>>> Nope. The US could certainly impose controls on the quality of US
>>> imports if it chose to.
>>>
>>
>> ...which is exactly where this conversation started, so we're going
>> around in circles.

> I was trying to suggest that Walmart might be in a better position to do that than the govt.

Sure, but doing that conflicts with their fundamental approach of driving down costs.

And wouldnt do a damned thing about the other chinese imports.
In fact it would likely aggravate those, with the WalMart discards
being imported by others.

> It works on a variety of levels.

But is subject to other considerations too.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
> "Rod Speed" > wrote in message
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>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
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>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>>>>> "Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
>>>>> .net...
>>>>>> In article says...
>>>>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US
>>>>>>>> economy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>>>
>>>>>> When the Chinese start dumping their US treasury bonds and not
>>>>>> buying any more that will hurt our economy greatly.
>>>>
>>>>> Uh oh. USA put on credit hold by China.
>>>>
>>>> Not even possible.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe our elected slobs would correctly begin thinking of this
>>>>> country as a business.
>>>>
>>>> Pity it isnt.
>>>>
>>>>> Rite Aid was on credit hold for some time. New management did a
>>>>> nice job of hauling the company out of the toilet.
>>>>
>>>> Companys arent countrys.
>>
>>> No, but that doesn't mean the execs should completely toss budgeting
>>> thoughts out the window.
>>
>> They dont.
>
> Endless borrowing most certainly DOES mean politicians have lost their way.

Nope. Just like almost no one has no borrowings at all in
their entire life, no modern country has no borrowings at all.

The world's moved on, borrowing makes sense in some situations.

>>> As you said, "pity it isn't".

>> Nope, no country of any significance could work like a company.

> Financially, or administratively?

Neither.

JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
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>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
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>>>>>> JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
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>>>>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Brontide wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 11:29 am, Peeter > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:05 am, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Nice" report, but lousy "facts." China has no true
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies that would shut down their industries.
>>>>>>>>>>>> China DOES have propaganda organizations that work
>>>>>>>>>>>> overtime. ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why we hear of a crackdown started in December only
>>>>>>>>>>> after they were caught exporting illegal and toxic goods to
>>>>>>>>>>> the US for consumption.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Walmart is putting some pressure on them. (think about
>>>>>>>>>> it) Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good idea. But, I'm a cynic. My idea of pressure would be "We
>>>>>>>>> are your biggest customer. We will be placing our own
>>>>>>>>> technicians in your factories,
>>>>>>>>> along with our own armed security personnel. You will be OK
>>>>>>>>> with that, right? Or, we'll collapse your economy by next
>>>>>>>>> week." Never happen, but it should.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why? Are you seriously rooting for a collapse of the US
>>>>>>>> economy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course not. But, are you suggesting that strongarming the
>>>>>>> Chinese into better quality control will collapse our economy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, any company can stumble and never get up.
>>>>
>>>>>>> A few deaths from tainted product, and Wal Mart could have a
>>>>>>> major problem on its
>>>>>>> hands, if customers are smart enough the correctly blame them
>>>>>>> for dealing with thugs.
>>>>
>>>>>> That wouldnt kill Walmart.
>>>>
>>>>> You're probably right. So many of their customers love being lied
>>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> Its not for that reason.
>>
>>> What do you think the reason is?
>>
>> They find it a convenient place to buy what they buy.
>>
>> It really is as basic as that.
>>
>>> Because in so many locations, they've eliminated all other sources
>>> for consumers?
>>
>> Nope, they havent eliminated anything. They've just been a lot
>> more successful at attracting customers than anyone else has.
>>
>> And thats due to a variety of things, the prices of what they sell,
>> the range of what they sell, so its a one stop shop for many,
>> and they have plenty of quite adequately run stores so that
>> most consumers can use them if they decide they like them.

> There's a certain amount of hypnotism involved, though.

Nope, the retail world just moves on.

> Here, two traditional supermarkets are precisely, inarguably as convenient as WM.

No they arent on the total range of what they stock, including non supermarket items.

> A couple of times a year, our local newspaper takes a grocery
> shopping list to the two supermarkets, and the WM store. WM has ***NEVER*** been cheaper than the
> other two stores.

Sure, but for most consumers, there is a lot more involved than just price.

Price alone is a different market segment, what Aldi attempts to concentrate on.

> Mention this to WM worshippers and you'll get a blank stare. Seriously.

Because they care about more than just price, even if they dont realise that.

> They believe that 3 is a smaller number than 2 because they have been trained to believe it.

Nope, they care about more than just price.

> They cannot understand how any store can be cheaper than at their shopping church.

They aint that stupid. They just cant state what drives their choice on what store
they use very clearly, because they dont even realise why they use Walmart.