On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:43:46 -0700, wrote:

>On Jun 30, 9:12 am, Sheldon > wrote:
>
>> you're one of the lowest IQ types on the planet.. you are going to die
>> the most horrendous death possible, you'd be much better off getting
>> run over by a train today than to continue to smoke.... fact, no
>> experiment.
>
>The health effects of smoking are a topic for another thread, and
>another group. Let it suffice that I will not die the most horrendous
>death possible. But I do appreciate your concern for my well being.
>
>Sheldon, why is it that in earlier posts, you provided helpful, even
>enthusiastic information, but then suddenly resort to unwarranted ad
>hominem attacks?
>
>b.

because you didn't kiss his ass.

you're lucky he didn't call you a liar because you get tobacco cheaply
and that he couldn't twist mcbragg into a greasy wop name.

your pal,
blake

On Jun 30, 3:11 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:43:46 -0700, wrote:
> >On Jun 30, 9:12 am, Sheldon > wrote:
>
> >> you're one of the lowest IQ types on the planet.. you are going to die
> >> the most horrendous death possible, you'd be much better off getting
> >> run over by a train today than to continue to smoke.... fact, no
> >> experiment.
>
> >The health effects of smoking are a topic for another thread, and
> >another group. Let it suffice that I will not die the most horrendous
> >death possible. But I do appreciate your concern for my well being.
>
> >Sheldon, why is it that in earlier posts, you provided helpful, even
> >enthusiastic information, but then suddenly resort to unwarranted ad
> >hominem attacks?
>
> >b.
>
> because you didn't kiss his ass.
>
> you're lucky he didn't call you a liar because you get tobacco cheaply
> and that he couldn't twist mcbragg into a greasy wop name.
>
> your pal,
> blake


I thought I did kiss his ass.

And he has called me a liar before.

And made fun of my name.

b.

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:43:46 -0700, wrote:
>
> >On Jun 30, 9:12 am, Sheldon > wrote:
> >
> >> you're one of the lowest IQ types on the planet.. you are going to die
> >> the most horrendous death possible, you'd be much better off getting
> >> run over by a train today than to continue to smoke.... fact, no
> >> experiment.
> >
> >The health effects of smoking are a topic for another thread, and
> >another group. Let it suffice that I will not die the most horrendous
> >death possible. But I do appreciate your concern for my well being.
> >
> >Sheldon, why is it that in earlier posts, you provided helpful, even
> >enthusiastic information, but then suddenly resort to unwarranted ad
> >hominem attacks?
> >
> >b.
>
> because you didn't kiss his ass.


It's probably a topic for another thread, but it's been covered so many
times that it probably isn't worth it. There are two ways to deal with
Sheldon:

1. Killfile him (or just don't read his posts if you don't have a
killfile).

2. Take him how he is. Glean the knowledge that he gives, and ignore
the insults, profanity and his refusal to admit that he is ever wrong.

It depends on your tolerance level, and more importantly, your
personality. I have chosen #2. I don't respond to his crap, because he
can do a ten times better job at being nasty than I *ever* could.

Omelet > wrote:
>Meat is so much more efficient... ;-)

In so many ways.

My canine teeth will never go hungry.

>I bought 2 nice fryer chickens today for $.67 per lb. I know that there
>is roughly 30% bone, but still!

Screaming deal.

And I finally found a website that talked about boneless
yield from whole chickens.

http://foodindustrycenter.umn.edu/Me...mentation.html

But it too is sadly ambiguous. The "skin is 7-8% of the
weight" isn't given a distinct referent. So if 65% of
a chicken carcass is meat and skin, then it's either
57-58% meat or 59.8-60.5% meat. Let's just call it 59%.

But it's further ambiguous because of the "part that
goes to pet food" mess. So the 65% was 65 points out
of the 85.9 points that are "retail". Meaning a retail
chicken actually has a yield to the buyer of .65/.859
or 76%. Take out the skin and we get about 68%.

Being big kids who understand statistics and how imprecise
all this is, we'll just say

"two-thirds of a chicken is skinless/boneless meat."

That's if you can buy it without giblets and extra neck
skin and feet and stuff. With any of those, all of these
numbers go out the window.

>I'm going to roast them this weekend along with some veggies. I bought
>some fennel bulbs to go with them and I'll add celery, carrots, onions
>and cabbages to that and cook them all together in the table top oven.

I'll be by on Sunday night.

>Should last about 4 days. ;-d

Not if I'm there.

>If you want the most bang for your buck on quality protein, lb. per lb.,
>a good quality whey protein is the _most_ efficient. For real food
>protein, eggs........ and they are cheap.

I'm not sure about the whey protein. I get a pretty
good protein powder (not a bulk-pack pure whey thing,
but something that's actually tasty to mix up and drink)
for about $7/pound that's probably 60% protein. That'd be
on the order of ($7/.6)/454 = 2.5 cents per gram.

Bulkfoods.com sells 88% whey for $153.77/25lb

That works out to 1.5 cents per pure gram of protein.

Their soy protein is 90% for $119.81/25lbs or 1.17 cents/gram pure protein.

Chicken and eggs actually beat those. If eggs didn't bring
as much fat as protein I'd be all over them. But chicken is
winning in terms of healthiness.

We could go through all this for turkey, too, but at this
point I'm hungry enough to eat my keyboard.

--Blair

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:37:52 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

[Some decently reasoned stuf about chicken, whey, and soy protein
which I thoughtlessly snipped]
>
>We could go through all this for turkey, too, but at this
>point I'm hungry enough to eat my keyboard.
>
> --Blair

And the protein content of that meal would be a damn sight lower than
chicken.
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Christine Dabney > wrote:
>Didn't I see you twice with a gin and tonic in your hand??? Once,
>before dinner (when we got there), and then at dinner and then when
>that nice gentleman bought you a drink....

Dangit. You said the G&T-word.

And the limes were so light and airy at the supermarket
yesterday. Saddening.

But now I'm going to have to get some anyway.

Might take three or four to make one drink...

>I only had wine....
>I almost asked the bartender at the hotel if they could make a
>sidecar, but then decided wine was a safer choice....

Bartenders, even childlike hipsters, are not very savvy
about the cocktail these days. But they are all completely
willing to learn a new one, especially if it's old and
famous. I've trained many to make a Manhattan, perfect,
rocks, three squirts of bitters, two cherries.

>Christine, who thinks she will make either a Delilah, or a Sidecar
>when she gets home to ABQ tomorrow evening

gee-and-tee!
gee-and-tee!
gee-and-tee!

--Blair

> wrote:
>I recall reading that, according to the World Bank, half of the worlds
>population subsists on $2 a day. That's not just food, that's
>everything - rent, car insurance, satallite tv, everything. And those
>are "adjusted" dollars so the $2 I spend here in Orange County, Ca.
>are worth the same as $2 spent in Somalia.

Clearly whoever adjusted those dollars didn't understand
the concept. Or else your 2 dollars would have to buy
you rent, car insurance, satellite TV, everything, as well,
right there in tha OC.

$2 a day here just for food, though, sounds like a plausible
experiment in extremism.

--Blair

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:39:36 -0400, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:30:08 -0700, Koko wrote:
>
>
>>I think I need to try and eat on two dollars a day also. I haven't
>>been real good about putting away money for the New Mexico cookin'
>>
>>Good Luck.
>>
>>Koko
>
>That might be an interesting challenge, for anyone that wants to go
>along with it... After I get back to NM this Sunday, I will be able
>to see what I can do to meet the challenge....
>
>Can we pool all the money together for the week, and buy stuff out of
>that, for the week? I would think it would be easier to stretch the
>money that way....
>
>I am trying to save money for same cook-in.... Need to finally buy me
>a smoker, and some other gadgets that I have been lusting after.
>
>Christine

I already lost that challenge. I went to Trader Joe's today and with
what I spent, my larder was ingredients challenged, I should be able
to live on this purchase for 57.55 days.

Wow, that should hold me almost 'till the cookin' right? lol

Koko
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"There is no love more sincere than the love of food"
George Bernard Shaw

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:30:30 -0700, Koko wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:39:36 -0400, Christine Dabney

>>Can we pool all the money together for the week, and buy stuff out of
>>that, for the week? I would think it would be easier to stretch the
>>money that way....

>I already lost that challenge. I went to Trader Joe's today and with
>what I spent, my larder was ingredients challenged, I should be able
>to live on this purchase for 57.55 days.
>
>Wow, that should hold me almost 'till the cookin' right? lol

I have a feeling I am going to lose this challenge right from the
start....LOL.

Not sure what is ready to eat or cook, in my kitchen when I get back
tomorrow evening. I know, or at least I think I know, that I have
frozen chickens....but that won't help me tomorrow.....

So, I will probably head out to Trader Joes, and the other markets, to
get some foodstuffs....

So much for saving money.....sigh....

And it probably won't happen for a bit... I decided to make a whole
bunch of things for all the cook-in participants.. I am going on a
stock making binge...gonna make chicken, beef, and veal stock. I
might even make demi-glace... And for anyone that wants to use it,
I am going to make puff pastry. Its the Julia method, and super easy.
I count these things as staples...LOL.

As far as lasting til the cook-in, I don't know. It is now about 2
months away.... It is getting close now!!!! I am getting excited!!!

Christine

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:22:59 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

>Christine Dabney > wrote:

>>I only had wine....
>>I almost asked the bartender at the hotel if they could make a
>>sidecar, but then decided wine was a safer choice....
>
>Bartenders, even childlike hipsters, are not very savvy
>about the cocktail these days. But they are all completely
>willing to learn a new one, especially if it's old and
>famous. I've trained many to make a Manhattan, perfect,
>rocks, three squirts of bitters, two cherries.

I learned how to make a sidecar. But I am still working on the perfect
one. I learned from eGullet, that Cointreau will take it to a whole
'nother level...so I gots to try this out..... I have been using
Triple Sec, cheap person that I am....
>
>>Christine, who thinks she will make either a Delilah, or a Sidecar
>>when she gets home to ABQ tomorrow evening

Nope, it's a sidecar for me!!!!

Christine

Salutations, gentlefolk,

If I may add a couple of observations, from someone who was out of the
labor force while caring for aging parents and is on lean cashflow
while still searching for a new full time job...

1 - It may be possible to find a bread machine in ye thrift stores or
porch sales for 10 USD or so. Home made good filling bread is
inexpensive. My usual recipe:

1/2 cup corn oil
1 1/2 cups water (water from boiling potatos or beans is good here)
1/4 cup sugar (or 1/8 cup sugar and 1/4 cup molasses)
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon yeast (I get mine in bulk at West Philly's Mariposa Food
Co-Op)
1 large egg (optional, but definitely an improvement)
1/2 cup rolled oats
3 1/2 cups flour (Unbleached white most of the time)

_The Bread Machine Magic Book of Helpful Hints_ yb Linda Rehberg and
Lois Conway is not indispensible enuf that you can't borrow it from
library. But it is worth owning.

2 - The local Thriftway often has 'assorted lunch meat ends' for 1.29
/ lb. Make into sandwich if there's enough of a kind, or cut em up
small and add to scrambled eggs / rice / beans / etc.

3 - Store brand multivitamin pills often can be bought in big bottles
on sale for .02 each. Reassurance you won't get scurvy or beriberi.

4 - There's something called "Spice Classics Chicken Seasoning Salt",
available at some of the local supermarkets for 6.25 oz / 1 dollar. A
few shakes makes boiled potatos or dried beans taste good. (Yes, it
may not be cheap or 'good for you', but if I had to live on potatos /
beans / rice and a dollar's worth of condiments, this is what I'd get)

Good eating and good health. Let us know how it turns out.

Yours, John Desmond

Dee Dee wrote:
> On Jun 28, 7:22 am, wrote:
>> Friends,
>>
>> I have decided to live the month of July spending just two dollars a
>> day on food. Other than vague notions of pasta, rice, beans, and
>> raman, I have little idea what I'm gonna eat.
>>
>> That being said, there are a few things I have in mind:
>>
>> *Eggs - fried, scrambled, and boiled.
>> *Potatoes - fried, baked
>> *Pasta - 1 can diced tomatoes, 1 can tomato sauce, garlic, onions,
>> herbs, 1lb pasta
>> *Tuna salad
>> *Home baked bread - loaves, rolls, cornbread, pita, soda crackers
>>
>> That's pretty much the list I've come up with. I really need some help
>> coming up with more menu items.
>>
>> Checking prices at the supermarket, I've come up with a list of some
>> food stuffs I can afford:
>>
>> *Veggies - potatoes, carrots, onions (not much else looks affordable
>> on my self imposed budget)
>> *Fruit - bananas, melons (also, lemons and oranges from trees in the
>> yard, though I don't think many, if any, oranges will be available)
>> *Grains, beans, pasta - rice, beans (red, garbanzo, pinto), peas,
>> lentils, barley, pasta
>> *Meat - Not much looks particularly affordable. I may be able to
>> squeeze some chicken in, maybe even some ground beef, and I plan on
>> splurging on a pound of bacon.
>> *Dairy - no milk, cheese, or butter. But margarine is surprisingly
>> cheap. Eggs, or course.
>>
>
> If I were doing a month, I'd probably be as close to vegan as I could.
> It looks like you are including meat, but probably just the tuna would
> suffice. Splurge on some type of milk, be in powdered or fresh to add
> some protein. I'd give up margarine, period, forever. If you feel you
> need something on your bread, use a little peanut butter or jelly. I
> would 'splurge' on milk for extra protein. You are lucky that it is
> vegetable season, cabbage goes a long way; make fresh soup (as another
> poster suggested). If you feel hungry, eat loads of it, and add some
> red beans and a little pasta.
>
> Myself, I could eat any combination of beans and grains 4-5 x a week,
> but my husband can't get by hardly a day without meat. I think a lot
> of it depends on your own body's needs. Listen to what you need while
> you are on this diet. Some days I feel hungry all day, others I feel
> full; there's your own reason for this.
> Dee Dee
>


You can get a *lot* of meat for about 9 or $10 with a frozen turkey from
Walmart. They are usually 68 cents per pound.

Bob

On Jun 28, 3:22 am, wrote:
> Friends,
>
> I have decided to live the month of July spending just two dollars a
> day on food.

B.