Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
slowly change color.

Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
tomatoes!

Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
and plenty of pepper.

Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
business.

Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.

Best -- Terry

"Terry" > wrote in message
...
> Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> slowly change color.
>
> Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> tomatoes!
>
> Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> and plenty of pepper.
>
> Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> business.
>
> Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
> enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.
>
> Best -- Terry

In our house we lean over the sink while eating them.

Felice

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:49:20 -0500, Terry >
wrote:

>Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
>slowly change color.
>
>Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
>tomatoes!
>
>Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
>them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
>get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
>mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
>thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
>and plenty of pepper.
>
>Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
>business.
>
>Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
>enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.
>
>Best -- Terry

Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.

Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
sandwich.

Boron

Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:49:20 -0500, Terry >
> wrote:
>
>> Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
>> slowly change color.
>>
>> Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
>> tomatoes!
>>
>> Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
>> them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
>> get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
>> mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
>> thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
>> and plenty of pepper.
>>
>> Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
>> business.
>>
>> Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
>> enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.
>>
>> Best -- Terry
>
> Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
> tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.
>
> Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
> sandwich.

I'm jealous. I planted Early Girl and Bush Goliath this year. The Early
Girls are starting to blush, but they are dinky, half the expected size!

Lots of them, but each and every one is small.

The fledgling Goliaths seem to be headed in the same direction.

In article >,
says...
> Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> slowly change color.
>
> Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> tomatoes!
>
> Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> and plenty of pepper.
>
> Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> business.
>
> Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
> enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.
>
> Best -- Terry
>

Mine are still smallish and green though they are getting bigger peretty
rapidly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kd1s/728307769/

"Terry" > wrote in message
...
> Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> slowly change color.
>
> Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> tomatoes!
>
> Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> and plenty of pepper.
>
> Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> business.
>

I love garden tomatoes!! But I like to add a bit of oregano
and a slice of muenster or provelone, melted over the
tomato. Mmmm! Nothing better.

On Jul 5, 8:02 pm, Boron Elgar > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:49:20 -0500, Terry >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> >slowly change color.
>
> >Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> >tomatoes!
>
> >Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> >them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> >get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> >mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> >thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> >and plenty of pepper.
>
> >Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> >business.
>
> >Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
> >enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.
>
> >Best -- Terry
>
> Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
> tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.
>
> Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
> sandwich.
>
> Boron- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


One of my favorites, too. I'm a month away from full size, but here
is my very first cherry one. I had another one today. But I made
up for not having any; I made a pizza with San Maranzo jarred tomatoes
and basil from the garden.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4vd5j0k
Dee Dee

On Jul 5, 11:36 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Terry" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> > slowly change color.
>
> > Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> > tomatoes!
>
> > Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> > them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> > get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> > mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> > thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> > and plenty of pepper.
>
> > Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> > business.
>
> I love garden tomatoes!! But I like to add a bit of oregano
> and a slice of muenster or provelone, melted over the
> tomato. Mmmm! Nothing better.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Fresh Juliets, fresh mozz, fresh basil, fresh cracked black pepper, a
little gray salt....

<insert Homer drool sound>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:02:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>
>Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
>tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.
>
>Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
>sandwich.
>
>Boron

Thanks, Boron (one of my favorite elements!). The two plants in the
front yard---one Better Boy, one grape tomato---have been just
amazing. Normally I get ripe littleuns around mid-July, full-size
around August no matter how early they're planted (western KY). This
year it's very different. Must be one or more of the following: (a)
global warming; (b) watering every single day; (c) a low dose of
fertilizer each week; (d) better soil in the front yard, where my wife
has been planting flowers for years and has worked hard to keep the
soil in good shape.

Best -- Terry

On Jul 5, 11:16 pm, miso horny > wrote:
> On Jul 5, 11:36 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Terry" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>
> > > Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> > > slowly change color.
>
> > > Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> > > tomatoes!
>
> > > Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> > > them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> > > get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> > > mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> > > thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> > > and plenty of pepper.
>
> > > Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> > > business.
>
> > I love garden tomatoes!! But I like to add a bit of oregano
> > and a slice of muenster or provelone, melted over the
> > tomato. Mmmm! Nothing better.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Fresh Juliets, fresh mozz, fresh basil, fresh cracked black pepper, a
> little gray salt....
>
> <insert Homer drool sound>

That's a damned sight better than slopping on a bunch of Miracle Whip.
You've heard of White trash? Miracle Whip is "white garbage."

--Bryan

Terry said...

> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:02:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
>>tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.
>>
>>Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
>>sandwich.
>>
>>Boron
>
> Thanks, Boron (one of my favorite elements!). The two plants in the
> front yard---one Better Boy, one grape tomato---have been just
> amazing. Normally I get ripe littleuns around mid-July, full-size
> around August no matter how early they're planted (western KY). This
> year it's very different. Must be one or more of the following: (a)
> global warming; (b) watering every single day; (c) a low dose of
> fertilizer each week; (d) better soil in the front yard, where my wife
> has been planting flowers for years and has worked hard to keep the
> soil in good shape.
>
> Best -- Terry


Waiting for the Jersey tomato harvest!!! Who needs bread?!!

New Jersey's only saving grace. Well 'cept for a year-round favorite r.f.c
member.

Andy

On Jul 6, 9:07 am, Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> On Jul 5, 11:16 pm, miso horny > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 11:36 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
> > > "Terry" > wrote in message
>
> > .. .
>
> > > > Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> > > > slowly change color.
>
> > > > Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> > > > tomatoes!
>
> > > > Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> > > > them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> > > > get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> > > > mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> > > > thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> > > > and plenty of pepper.
>
> > > > Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> > > > business.
>
> > > I love garden tomatoes!! But I like to add a bit of oregano
> > > and a slice of muenster or provelone, melted over the
> > > tomato. Mmmm! Nothing better.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Fresh Juliets, fresh mozz, fresh basil, fresh cracked black pepper, a
> > little gray salt....
>
> > <insert Homer drool sound>
>
> That's a damned sight better than slopping on a bunch of Miracle Whip.
> You've heard of White trash? Miracle Whip is "white garbage."
>
> --Bryan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ahhwww, Bryan -- some people do like it. Not me, though I used to
prefer it. I also used to like the spread that had the pickle relish
in it -- I think they called it 'sandwich spread.' I can still taste
it.
Dee Dee

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:22:15 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>Terry said...
>
>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:02:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
>>>tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.
>>>
>>>Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
>>>sandwich.
>>>
>>>Boron
>>
>> Thanks, Boron (one of my favorite elements!). The two plants in the
>> front yard---one Better Boy, one grape tomato---have been just
>> amazing. Normally I get ripe littleuns around mid-July, full-size
>> around August no matter how early they're planted (western KY). This
>> year it's very different. Must be one or more of the following: (a)
>> global warming; (b) watering every single day; (c) a low dose of
>> fertilizer each week; (d) better soil in the front yard, where my wife
>> has been planting flowers for years and has worked hard to keep the
>> soil in good shape.
>>
>> Best -- Terry
>
>
>Waiting for the Jersey tomato harvest!!! Who needs bread?!!
>
>New Jersey's only saving grace. Well 'cept for a year-round favorite r.f.c
>member.
>
>Andy


I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.

Boron

Boron Elgar said...

> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:22:15 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>>Terry said...
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:02:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh, you are so fortunate. I am at least a month away from full size
>>>>tomatoes, although I may get some grape or cherry ones before.
>>>>
>>>>Best wishes to you as you gloriously enjoy my favorite summertime
>>>>sandwich.
>>>>
>>>>Boron
>>>
>>> Thanks, Boron (one of my favorite elements!). The two plants in the
>>> front yard---one Better Boy, one grape tomato---have been just
>>> amazing. Normally I get ripe littleuns around mid-July, full-size
>>> around August no matter how early they're planted (western KY). This
>>> year it's very different. Must be one or more of the following: (a)
>>> global warming; (b) watering every single day; (c) a low dose of
>>> fertilizer each week; (d) better soil in the front yard, where my wife
>>> has been planting flowers for years and has worked hard to keep the
>>> soil in good shape.
>>>
>>> Best -- Terry
>>
>>
>>Waiting for the Jersey tomato harvest!!! Who needs bread?!!
>>
>>New Jersey's only saving grace. Well 'cept for a year-round favorite
r.f.c
>>member.
>>
>>Andy
>
>
> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>
> Boron


Boron,

I've been knockin' New Jersey for ages. I also rib Pennsylvania. "PA--where
your trash is our landfills."

The "Garden State" is the motto but I'm just minutes away (Philly burbs)
and it doesn't take long after arriving to be driving through swampland.

Another thing about New Jersey is you can drive 20 miles and it looks the
same and another 20 miles and it still looks the same.

Flatland. Terrible gun laws. High property taxes.

New Jersey's food claim to fame... sal****er taffy?? Ain't no sal****er
about it!

I'd stay there overnight if I had to. Like if I was a migrating bird,
maybe.

LOL!

Andy

"Boron Elgar" > wrote
>
>
> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>

After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
state. It is lovely.

T wrote:
>
> Mine are still smallish and green though they are getting bigger peretty
> rapidly.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kd1s/728307769/

Healthy looking plants... now if you pinch off the tiny fruits forming
in that bract the two more developed fruit will grow much larger and
ripen quicker plus the plant will be more prolific in general.

"cybercat" > wrote

> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>
>>
>> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
>> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>>
>
> After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
> green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
> There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
> state. It is lovely.

(shhhh) It's why we have the hideous Turnpike, keep people
moving on, we don't need any more people.

nancy

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:42:46 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"cybercat" > wrote
>
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>
>>>
>>> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
>>> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>>>
>>
>> After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
>> green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
>> There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
>> state. It is lovely.
>
>(shhhh) It's why we have the hideous Turnpike, keep people
>moving on, we don't need any more people.
>
>nancy
>

You are SUCH a funny lady, especially since that is what I always tell
people.

Boron

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:42:58 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>Boron Elgar said...
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:22:15 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>>>Terry said...

>>>Waiting for the Jersey tomato harvest!!! Who needs bread?!!
>>>
>>>New Jersey's only saving grace. Well 'cept for a year-round favorite
>>>r.f.c member.

>>>Andy
>>
>> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
>> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>>
>> Boron
>
>
>Boron,
>
>I've been knockin' New Jersey for ages. I also rib Pennsylvania. "PA--where
>your trash is our landfills."
>
>The "Garden State" is the motto but I'm just minutes away (Philly burbs)
>and it doesn't take long after arriving to be driving through swampland.

You are quite obviously driving in the wrong direction.
>
>Another thing about New Jersey is you can drive 20 miles and it looks the
>same and another 20 miles and it still looks the same.

Get off the turnpike.


>Flatland. Terrible gun laws. High property taxes.

I live in the foothills of the Ramapos. If you knew anything about the
state, or looked at a topo map you'd know about the terrain here.

I am quite pleased with the gun laws.

I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.

Boron

Nancy Young wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote
>
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>
>>> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
>>> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>>>
>> After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
>> green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
>> There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
>> state. It is lovely.
>
> (shhhh) It's why we have the hideous Turnpike, keep people
> moving on, we don't need any more people.
>
> nancy
>
>
Unfortunately they do. Eastern PA is loaded with "mup-ears" (when you
ask them what they are doing they say "I'amuphere for the weekend".

I can't imagine what joy there is in spending 1,500 hours/year commuting
to have a "dream house" you only see on weekends when you didn't get up
at 3 AM and go to be at 10PM.

"Boron Elgar" > wrote

> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.

At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
they were the same or worse than where I live.

nancy

On Jul 7, 7:42 am, Andy <q> wrote:

>
> Boron,
>
> I've been knockin' New Jersey for ages. I also rib Pennsylvania. "PA--where
> your trash is our landfills."
> Andy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Geez, I thought it was VA--where every other states' trash is in our
landfills.
Dee Dee
Commonwealth of Virginia

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:32:09 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"Boron Elgar" > wrote
>
>> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
>> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.
>
>At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
>they were the same or worse than where I live.
>
>nancy
>


I have certainly heard claims that NJ taxes are some of the highest,
but the state is also one of the wealthiest in the nation and property
*values* are quite high.

I live in Wayne, by the way.

Boron

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>
>> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
>> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.
>
> At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
> they were the same or worse than where I live.
>
> nancy
>
>
But the difference comes in the property value. The same property in PA
would typically appraise for a lot more in NJ and have a higher tax
since the taxes are based on value.

Dee Dee wrote:
> On Jul 7, 7:42 am, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>> Boron,
>>
>> I've been knockin' New Jersey for ages. I also rib Pennsylvania. "PA--where
>> your trash is our landfills."
>> Andy- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Geez, I thought it was VA--where every other states' trash is in our
> landfills.
> Dee Dee
> Commonwealth of Virginia
>

I think we are the leader but you might pass us out. Aside from the huge
landfills there has been an outcry about the constant stream of garbage
trucks bringing garbage into PA. I read where a defunct freight rail
line out of NYC was just reopened and now they can transport garbage by
rail with VA being one destination mentioned.

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:26:42 -0400, George >
wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>> "cybercat" > wrote
>>
>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
>>>> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>>>>
>>> After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
>>> green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
>>> There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
>>> state. It is lovely.
>>
>> (shhhh) It's why we have the hideous Turnpike, keep people
>> moving on, we don't need any more people.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>>
>Unfortunately they do. Eastern PA is loaded with "mup-ears" (when you
>ask them what they are doing they say "I'amuphere for the weekend".
>
>I can't imagine what joy there is in spending 1,500 hours/year commuting
>to have a "dream house" you only see on weekends when you didn't get up
>at 3 AM and go to be at 10PM.


Born and bred in Michigan, where a 2nd home, be it lakeside beauty,
unplumbed crumbly cabin up north or a trailer up on blocks, holds a
place in the heart, I still can't say that I understand it, but I am
certainly familiar with the mentality.

If I had won that damned lottery last night, all I would have done is
move 2-3 blocks from where I now live, to little place right on the
lake - small enough lake that they only allow electric motors, but
large enough to be stocked for fun fishing.

As it is, I am it a truly suburban area (where I can drive 15 minutes
and see the worst that car dealers, Wal-Mart and Applebee's, etc. have
to offer), but I am next to a 100 acre woods (thanks to a corporate
headquarters), a series of streams, rivers, two lakes and a reservoir.
I have ample wildlife (hate the groundhogs and deer, love the
muskrats, foxes, herons, wild turkeys, raptors and beautiful song
birds. the bears have never gotten closer than half a mile.),
beautiful scenery and great garden soil. Would I like 10 acres? Sure,
but not at a cost of $7.5 million. Besides, the lawn gets mowed faster
now.

I can be to stunning shoreline or lovely mountains in under an hour,
same for the world class arts and pleasures of NYC. I figure I'm
sitting on top of the world. Besides, the limas have started to
flower.

Boron

On Jul 7, 8:42 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote
>
> > "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>
> >> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
> >> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>
> > After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
> > green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
> > There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
> > state. It is lovely.
>
> (shhhh) It's why we have the hideous Turnpike, keep people
> moving on, we don't need any more people.
>
> nancy

Princeton was named #15 of the top 100 towns in the United States to
Live and Work In by Money Magazine in 2005.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton,_New_Jersey

"George" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>
>>> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
>>> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.
>>
>> At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
>> they were the same or worse than where I live.
>>
>> nancy
> But the difference comes in the property value. The same property in PA
> would typically appraise for a lot more in NJ and have a higher tax since
> the taxes are based on value.

No, the taxes are based on how much money the collecting agency needs. Once
the budget is determined, the mil rate is set based on the total assessment
of the community. The assessment is usually a percentage of the market
value of the real estate or personal property to be taxed. There is also a
law that required re-evaluation every so many years. This keeps each
property in line with the others as the market changes. Commercial
properties may go up or down compared to residential and the burden is
shifted from one to another. If, during re-evaluation, every property is
doubles in value, the mil rate would then be halved to collect the same
amount of taxes. The problems is homeowner ignorant of that fact. They
figure the taxes will go up so the town fathers oblige and raise the rate
easily with little or no objection.

More important, is the total tax you pay. High property taxes my mean lower
income taxes for that state. Some towns tax automobiles as personal
property, others do not. Blanket statements property of tax rates are
usually wrong.

George said...

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>
>>> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
>>> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.
>>
>> At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
>> they were the same or worse than where I live.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>>
> But the difference comes in the property value. The same property in PA
> would typically appraise for a lot more in NJ and have a higher tax
> since the taxes are based on value.


On the news recently a town in New Jersey was reassessed and the property
values were supposedly artificially inflated. Residents were NOT happy! Now
they have the pleasure of hiring attorneys and wasting their time and hard
earned money. Thanks heaps!

Andy

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:17:59 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"George" > wrote in message
...
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>
>>>> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
>>>> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.
>>>
>>> At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
>>> they were the same or worse than where I live.
>>>
>>> nancy
>> But the difference comes in the property value. The same property in PA
>> would typically appraise for a lot more in NJ and have a higher tax since
>> the taxes are based on value.
>
>No, the taxes are based on how much money the collecting agency needs. Once
>the budget is determined, the mil rate is set based on the total assessment
>of the community. The assessment is usually a percentage of the market
>value of the real estate or personal property to be taxed. There is also a
>law that required re-evaluation every so many years. This keeps each
>property in line with the others as the market changes. Commercial
>properties may go up or down compared to residential and the burden is
>shifted from one to another. If, during re-evaluation, every property is
>doubles in value, the mil rate would then be halved to collect the same
>amount of taxes. The problems is homeowner ignorant of that fact. They
>figure the taxes will go up so the town fathers oblige and raise the rate
>easily with little or no objection.
>
>More important, is the total tax you pay. High property taxes my mean lower
>income taxes for that state. Some towns tax automobiles as personal
>property, others do not. Blanket statements property of tax rates are
>usually wrong.
>


The majority of my property taxes go to the schools. I have never
voted against a school bond, either. Even though half the time my kids
were in private school, I am one of those lefties that believes very
strongly in public education and am quite willing to fund it.

And our income taxes are not at all low here in NJ.

Boron

Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:26:42 -0400, George >
> wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> "cybercat" > wrote
>>>
>>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>>> I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
>>>>> wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
>>>>>
>>>> After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
>>>> green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
>>>> There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
>>>> state. It is lovely.
>>> (shhhh) It's why we have the hideous Turnpike, keep people
>>> moving on, we don't need any more people.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>> Unfortunately they do. Eastern PA is loaded with "mup-ears" (when you
>> ask them what they are doing they say "I'amuphere for the weekend".
>>
>> I can't imagine what joy there is in spending 1,500 hours/year commuting
>> to have a "dream house" you only see on weekends when you didn't get up
>> at 3 AM and go to be at 10PM.
>
>
> Born and bred in Michigan, where a 2nd home, be it lakeside beauty,
> unplumbed crumbly cabin up north or a trailer up on blocks, holds a
> place in the heart, I still can't say that I understand it, but I am
> certainly familiar with the mentality.


I understand the "cabin in the woods/by the lake" idea.

These aren't second homes. They are people who decided that wanted a
McMansion and the closest they could afford to do it was a 3 hour
commute. Since they aren't really here except to pass out after the
commute home in the dark and leave before sunrise during the week they
think of themselves as being here for the weekend.

>
> If I had won that damned lottery last night, all I would have done is
> move 2-3 blocks from where I now live, to little place right on the
> lake - small enough lake that they only allow electric motors, but
> large enough to be stocked for fun fishing.
>
> As it is, I am it a truly suburban area (where I can drive 15 minutes
> and see the worst that car dealers, Wal-Mart and Applebee's, etc. have
> to offer), but I am next to a 100 acre woods (thanks to a corporate
> headquarters), a series of streams, rivers, two lakes and a reservoir.
> I have ample wildlife (hate the groundhogs and deer, love the
> muskrats, foxes, herons, wild turkeys, raptors and beautiful song
> birds. the bears have never gotten closer than half a mile.),
> beautiful scenery and great garden soil. Would I like 10 acres? Sure,
> but not at a cost of $7.5 million. Besides, the lawn gets mowed faster
> now.
>
> I can be to stunning shoreline or lovely mountains in under an hour,
> same for the world class arts and pleasures of NYC. I figure I'm
> sitting on top of the world. Besides, the limas have started to
> flower.
>
> Boron

We are in a small town overlooking a river valley. There are
lakes/streams/mountains all around and the littering of big box stores
not far from here. I ride my bike in the nearby forest along a stream
almost every morning. There is a similar mix of deer, turkeys etc.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>
>>>> I have no trouble paying my property taxes, which are considerably
>>>> lower than my friends in surrounding areas of NY state pay.
>>> At one point I checked out property taxes in PA ... Imagine my surprise,
>>> they were the same or worse than where I live.
>>>
>>> nancy
>> But the difference comes in the property value. The same property in PA
>> would typically appraise for a lot more in NJ and have a higher tax since
>> the taxes are based on value.
>
> No, the taxes are based on how much money the collecting agency needs. Once
> the budget is determined, the mil rate is set based on the total assessment
> of the community. The assessment is usually a percentage of the market
> value of the real estate or personal property to be taxed. There is also a
> law that required re-evaluation every so many years. This keeps each
> property in line with the others as the market changes. Commercial
> properties may go up or down compared to residential and the burden is
> shifted from one to another. If, during re-evaluation, every property is
> doubles in value, the mil rate would then be halved to collect the same
> amount of taxes. The problems is homeowner ignorant of that fact. They
> figure the taxes will go up so the town fathers oblige and raise the rate
> easily with little or no objection.

Agree, thats why they are referred to as "sheeples"

>
> More important, is the total tax you pay. High property taxes my mean lower
> income taxes for that state. Some towns tax automobiles as personal
> property, others do not. Blanket statements property of tax rates are
> usually wrong.
>
>

I think this case is reasonable. I know quite a few property owners in
NJ and we "compare notes" about taxes.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote

> No, the taxes are based on how much money the collecting agency needs.
> Once the budget is determined, the mil rate is set based on the total
> assessment of the community. The assessment is usually a percentage of
> the market value of the real estate or personal property to be taxed.
> There is also a law that required re-evaluation every so many years.

Yeah, the appraiser knocked on my door the other day. My town held
off as long as they could, but the law is forcing a revaluation. In a
perfect
world your taxes will remain the same, the rate would go down, but it
never seems to work that way.

I don't have complaints about my property taxes. Yet.

> This keeps each property in line with the others as the market changes.
> Commercial properties may go up or down compared to residential and the
> burden is shifted from one to another. If, during re-evaluation, every
> property is doubles in value, the mil rate would then be halved to collect
> the same amount of taxes. The problems is homeowner ignorant of that
> fact. They figure the taxes will go up so the town fathers oblige and
> raise the rate easily with little or no objection.
>
> More important, is the total tax you pay. High property taxes my mean
> lower income taxes for that state. Some towns tax automobiles as personal
> property, others do not. Blanket statements property of tax rates are
> usually wrong.

True. I was not knocking PA, just saying that in looking around, to
get a house similar to mine on a similar lot, similar neighborhood, on
the north/central eastern edge, I wouldn't move there to lower my taxes.
I also saw lots of yelling about property tax relief.

At any rate, back to your regularly scheduled tomato discussion.
I didn't plant any this year, I had way too much on my plate, landscaping
wise, to get around to preparing for tomatoes.

nancy

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:28:36 -0400, George >
wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:26:42 -0400, George >
>> wrote:

>>> I can't imagine what joy there is in spending 1,500 hours/year commuting
>>> to have a "dream house" you only see on weekends when you didn't get up
>>> at 3 AM and go to be at 10PM.
>>
>>
>> Born and bred in Michigan, where a 2nd home, be it lakeside beauty,
>> unplumbed crumbly cabin up north or a trailer up on blocks, holds a
>> place in the heart, I still can't say that I understand it, but I am
>> certainly familiar with the mentality.
>
>
>I understand the "cabin in the woods/by the lake" idea.
>
>These aren't second homes. They are people who decided that wanted a
>McMansion and the closest they could afford to do it was a 3 hour
>commute. Since they aren't really here except to pass out after the
>commute home in the dark and leave before sunrise during the week they
>think of themselves as being here for the weekend.
>
>>
Oh - of course....I see these folks all the time on the highway and
notice their PA licence plates in the park-and-ride lots, too.

There was recently an article in the NY Times about companies that
pushed PA border homes to those most desperate to leave overcrowded
neighborhoods with poor schools. Sadly, they were also the least
likely to be able to handle it all financially. These weren't
McMansion buyers, but having never been in the home-owner club, were
sold a bill of goods and suffered from their own naivety.

Boron

In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote:

> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
> >
> >
> > I love New Jersey and moved here deliberately. There are many
> > wonderful reasons it is called the Garden State.
> >
>
> After all the slams I had heard, I was surprised at how beautiful and
> green New Jersey is, even some places not far from New York City.
> There's Newark and other ugly cities, then there is the rest of the
> state. It is lovely.

The area around the Delaware Water Gap, such as Worthington State Forest
off I80 is absolutely lush with greenery and wildlife. I was up there
recently on a camping trip for the first time and I was stunned at how
nice that area is and what great camping there is in that area.

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote

> The area around the Delaware Water Gap, such as Worthington State Forest
> off I80 is absolutely lush with greenery and wildlife. I was up there
> recently on a camping trip for the first time and I was stunned at how
> nice that area is and what great camping there is in that area.

I used to go canoeing and camping up there as well. Lots of good
hiking, too.

nancy

On Jul 5, 7:49?pm, Terry > wrote:
> Been waiting for months, watching the little green hardballs grow,
> slowly change color.
>
> Came back from a week's vacation and glory-be, I had half a dozen ripe
> tomatoes!
>
> Lunch yesterday and today: toast two slices of whole-wheat, and leave
> them in the toaster for a few minutes after they've popped up, so they
> get crispy from residual heat. Heavy layer of Miracle Whip (homemade
> mayo would be better but I'm too busy). Slice two large tomatoes
> thinly, stack 'em on the toast (open-face sandwiches), load with salt
> and plenty of pepper.
>
> Have at least four napkins/paper towels at hand, it's a messy
> business.
>
> Burp happily afterward. Repeat tomorrow. On Saturday there should be
> enough ripe grape tomatoes to do a BLT-salad.
>
> Best -- Terry

Sadly I was happily anticipating my tomatoes this year and was
devasted when I can out of my house yesterday morning to find the deer
had eaten all the plants. Sniff, sniff, no Jersey tomatoes for me.
Those deer better watch out or I'll send my minature poodle after
them.

Elizabeth
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