Omelet > wrote:
>In article >,
> Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>> Another thing that helps with puffing is to whip it vigorously
>> with a little salt before pouring it in the pan. I've made
>> omelettes I couldn't even fold, that way.
>
>How much salt? I'll have to try that.
>I have trouble getting Omelets to be "fluffy".

For three eggs, a normal pinch of flaky kosher salt (less if
it's granular; more if it's diamond crystal). It's less
than the eggs need for flavor, so you have room for error,
and you'll need to season on the plate if you don't add
a salty ingredient, but it does the job chemically.

And really beat them.

--Blair

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>On Jul 13, 11:17 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>> Omelet > wrote:
>> >In article >,
>> > Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>
>> >> Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>> >> >> > Eggs are high in Iron??? :-(
>>
>> >> >> Yes, they are.
>>
>> >> >One of the reasons why eggs are called "the perfect food"...
>>
>> >> Whoever called them that ignored their near total lack
>> >> of carbohydrates. Must've been that Atkins hack.
>>
>> >There is no such thing as an "essential carbohydrate".
>>
>> Your brain runs on complex carbohydrates. Cut down your
>> intake of them and you'll go stupid and sleepy.
>
>Your brain DOES NOT run on complex carbs. You are blowing out your
>ass.

Okay, Dr. Atkins II.

>During periods of plenty, your brain cells run on GLUCOSE, which is a
>SIMPLE, not a "complex" carbohydrate.

Your body breaks complex carbohydrates into simple carbohydrates.

Eating simple carbohydrates is a good way to drop your metabolism
and make yourself fatter at the same calorie intake.

>Brain cells can also run on
>ketones.

"The brain has a residual need for glucose because
ketones can only provide energy when used during aerobic
respiration in mitochondria. In the long thin neurons,
much of the metabolically active cellular membrane must
derive its energy from glucose via anaerobic respiration
without the assistance of mitochondria."
http://www.answers.com/topic/ketosis?cat=health

Translation: your brain can't run on ketones for long.

>I never felt more alert than when I was in ketosis. The first few
>days are a bitch, but after that you're fine. During times when
>you're running a big time calorie deficit, your head can feel swimmy,
>but that's the case with any calorie deficit, ketogenic diet or
>otherwise

You're lucky you didn't die.

>> And if you don't have them your liver puts you into a
>> state where you lose weight, both muscle and fat. It's
>> an illness, not a diet.
>
>Even if the ketogenic diet were unhealthy, which it is not for most
>folks,

It's not fatal for most folks. It's unhealthy for all folks.
It's a state of starvation.

>almost nothing is worse than obesity.

Have you ever tried the Internet? I used to be fat, and I used
to talk to people on the Internet, and I can tell you, being
fat is less trouble sometimes.

>Also, every weight loss
>regimen causes one to lose "both muscle and fat."

Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.

>> >An egg is a very complete food.
>
>You could live healthily off of eggs and cruciferous veggies for a
>long time.

Mmm. Eggs and cabbage at every meal. You can sleep in
the other room.

>> >Might have to do with the fact that it's an incubator for creating a
>> >living animal, so it HAS to be.
>>
>> A living chicken. So it might be complete, for a chicken.
>> If the chicken was an embryo. Which has very different
>> nutritional needs from an adult human.
>
>Not that different.

An adult human can be malnourished eating the diet of an
infant human. Eating the diet of an embryonic chicken
isn't likely to be better.

Here's a clue: There is no "perfect food". There are very
good foods, like eggs and bananas, but neither is perfect.

And making yourself sick to lose fat is silly, weak, and
gullible.

--Blair

> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:34:11 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:
>
>>My husband,
>>however, is the piggy-poo and eats about 5 LARGE meals a day. Sheesh!

How large?

>He's expending a lot of physical energy at his job, Kili.... he needs
>the (food) calories.

What job?

There's some guys in Frants right now who need 5 meals a day
of 1400 calories each... They only get 2 or 3, though...

--Blair

Omelet > wrote:
>In article >,
> Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>
>> Your brain runs on complex carbohydrates. Cut down your
>> intake of them and you'll go stupid and sleepy.
>
>Wrong.
>
>Your brain runs on Glucose.

Your food doesn't go straight into your brain.

Eating glucose will give you a sugar spike which will put you to sleep.
So your brain un-runs when you eat glucose.

If you want your brain to function better, eat complex
carbs.

If you want your brain to slow down, stop eating carbs
entirely.

You'll imagine that you're alert, but the people
around you know better.

--Blair

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:36:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> > wrote:
>>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:34:11 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:
>>
>>>My husband,
>>>however, is the piggy-poo and eats about 5 LARGE meals a day. Sheesh!
>
>How large?
>
>>He's expending a lot of physical energy at his job, Kili.... he needs
>>the (food) calories.
>
>What job?
>
>There's some guys in Frants right now who need 5 meals a day
>of 1400 calories each... They only get 2 or 3, though...
>
He's a carpenter.


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On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>
> Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
> lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
> to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
> near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
> and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
> will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
>
> --Blair- Hide quoted text -

Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part
of the cycle. Now, I'm sure they do lose muscle, but if they lost as
much muscle as fat, they'd probably find another way to cycle. No one
is more carb deprived than your average BB competitor a week out from
a competition. They look pretty damned muscular to me up there.

Lynne A

In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >, "cybercat" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I love eggs. I try not to think of them as liquid chicken.
> >
> > ROFL!!!
> >
> > That's just gross enough to be funny as hell!
> >
>
> See, my mind works this way. My inner child splits her time
> between amusing the hell out of me and grossing me out.

I totally understand... :-)
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In article >,
Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
> >In article >,
> > Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> >> Another thing that helps with puffing is to whip it vigorously
> >> with a little salt before pouring it in the pan. I've made
> >> omelettes I couldn't even fold, that way.
> >
> >How much salt? I'll have to try that.
> >I have trouble getting Omelets to be "fluffy".
>
> For three eggs, a normal pinch of flaky kosher salt (less if
> it's granular; more if it's diamond crystal). It's less
> than the eggs need for flavor, so you have room for error,
> and you'll need to season on the plate if you don't add
> a salty ingredient, but it does the job chemically.
>
> And really beat them.
>
> --Blair

I have a really good whisk. :-)
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In article >,
Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> > wrote:
> >On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:34:11 -0400, "kilikini"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>My husband,
> >>however, is the piggy-poo and eats about 5 LARGE meals a day. Sheesh!
>
> How large?
>
> >He's expending a lot of physical energy at his job, Kili.... he needs
> >the (food) calories.
>
> What job?

TFM is a carpenter.
Works out in the hot sun, runs around, wields a hammer and a nail gun...

You know the drill.

I've never known a fat carpenter.


>
> There's some guys in Frants right now who need 5 meals a day
> of 1400 calories each... They only get 2 or 3, though...
>
> --Blair
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Lynne A > wrote:

> On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> >
> > Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
> > lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
> > to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
> > near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
> > and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
> > will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
> >
> > --Blair- Hide quoted text -
>
> Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part
> of the cycle. Now, I'm sure they do lose muscle, but if they lost as
> much muscle as fat, they'd probably find another way to cycle. No one
> is more carb deprived than your average BB competitor a week out from
> a competition. They look pretty damned muscular to me up there.
>
> Lynne A
>

Very astute observation. :-)
And you are 100% correct.

I've been following competitive bodybuilding for years as a sport.
I just have some will power issues following their regimen, or I'd do
it. It takes a LOT of self-discipline to do what they do!

Sports Nutrition is some of the most advanced and accurate sciences on
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:34:11 -0400, "kilikini"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My husband,
>>>> however, is the piggy-poo and eats about 5 LARGE meals a day.
>>>> Sheesh!
>>
>> How large?
>>
>>> He's expending a lot of physical energy at his job, Kili.... he
>>> needs the (food) calories.
>>
>> What job?
>
> TFM is a carpenter.
> Works out in the hot sun, runs around, wields a hammer and a nail
> gun...
>
> You know the drill.
>
> I've never known a fat carpenter.
>

Yep, he's a framer and a roofer and builds huge, multi-story houses. (One
of his last houses actually had a movie theater built in, as well as a wine
cellar and an elevator. Who has that kind of money????) Allan works
outside in Florida where the air is so humid, you can actually *see* it. He
drinks at least 2 gallons of water a day and one gallon of unsweet iced tea.
I make him 4 egg omelettes for breakfast, I pack him up about 4 - 5 pieces
of meat for him to eat during his 9:30 break for lunch he generally gets a
pound of cheese and an 8-pack of fried chicken from the grocery store and
his dinner is a big pile of steamed veggies and 3 or 4 more pieces of
whatever meat we're cooking. Then he goes back for seconds.

There's an all-you-can-eat Mongolian BBQ place we like to go to. I love it
because I can fill my bowl up with fresh veggies and watch as the grill guy
cooks them to a perfect al dente. I only eat the one bowl. My husband goes
back for more at least 5 times and his bowls are PILED high. LOL. To be
honest, I get a little bored sitting there watching him go back for more and
more and more and more and more..... We go home and within an hour he's
rummaging through the fridge again. I honestly don't know where he puts it.
He's 6' tall and weighs about 188#. He's the kind of guy you don't want
over for a dinner party because he'll look at the entire main course and
ask, "What are *you* having?" :~)

kili

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> >> What job?
> >
> > TFM is a carpenter.
> > Works out in the hot sun, runs around, wields a hammer and a nail
> > gun...
> >
> > You know the drill.
> >
> > I've never known a fat carpenter.
> >
>
> Yep, he's a framer and a roofer and builds huge, multi-story houses. (One
> of his last houses actually had a movie theater built in, as well as a wine
> cellar and an elevator. Who has that kind of money????) Allan works
> outside in Florida where the air is so humid, you can actually *see* it. He
> drinks at least 2 gallons of water a day and one gallon of unsweet iced tea.
> I make him 4 egg omelettes for breakfast, I pack him up about 4 - 5 pieces
> of meat for him to eat during his 9:30 break for lunch he generally gets a
> pound of cheese and an 8-pack of fried chicken from the grocery store and
> his dinner is a big pile of steamed veggies and 3 or 4 more pieces of
> whatever meat we're cooking. Then he goes back for seconds.
>
> There's an all-you-can-eat Mongolian BBQ place we like to go to. I love it
> because I can fill my bowl up with fresh veggies and watch as the grill guy
> cooks them to a perfect al dente. I only eat the one bowl. My husband goes
> back for more at least 5 times and his bowls are PILED high. LOL. To be
> honest, I get a little bored sitting there watching him go back for more and
> more and more and more and more..... We go home and within an hour he's
> rummaging through the fridge again. I honestly don't know where he puts it.
> He's 6' tall and weighs about 188#. He's the kind of guy you don't want
> over for a dinner party because he'll look at the entire main course and
> ask, "What are *you* having?" :~)
>
> kili

<lol>

Gods help him if he ever gets a sedentary job! ;-D
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:15:35 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> >Sounds good, but I've have to skip the sugar. :-)
>>
>> you could try this for the sauce (also from jim lee):
>>
>> 1 tsp sugar
>>
>> 1 tbl cornstarch
>>
>> 1 tsp msg
>>
>> 1/4 cup oyster sauce
>>
>> 1/2 cup chicken broth
>>
>> cook as above, adding sauce and stirring until thickened.
>>
>> (i have not tried this, but should result in a dish familiar to all
>> in restaurants but with the broccoli still bright green instead of
>> olive drab.)
>>
>> or is sugar out completely?
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>That sounds more my speed, thanks! :-)

the dish as given is really not all that sweet. it's not glazed or
anything, and the sauce doesn't cling to the food very much. you
could up the hotness, or increase the sourness by using another kind
of vinegar.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:34:48 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>>
>> this is what i was thinking, that maybe i need a higher temp. for
>> scrambled than an omelet.
>
>Yes! It works to make a really nice consistency. It takes maybe
>2 minutes tops, and they are perfect. Put your toast in when you
>turn off the heat and finish tossing the eggs to get them to the
>desired "doneness" without scorching.
>
>I love eggs. I try not to think of them as liquid chicken.
>
>I like my scrambled eggs so much I never order them out.
>If you do your eggs this way you will really like the
>consistency, I think. Fast and hot. Very nice as they
>are, with toast, or with just a bit of shredded cheese
>added at the last minute so it is just melty, not mixed,
>and your favorite salsa on the plate, on the side.
>
>(I never liked ketchup on eggs but I like salsa with them
>every now and then, to shake it up.)
>
>If I ever get to be one of those people whose body
>creates so much cholesterol I can't eat eggs, that will
>be a sad day. They are the most complete, nutritionally
>perfect food there is--and they are cheap--AND I love
>them. At 48, my good (HDL) cholesterol is sky high (79 at last
>reading, it is supposed to be good if over 40) and my bad (LDL)
>is 100-110. And I have eaten a dozen eggs most weeks for
>20 years. You probably know this but there is stuff in egg yolks
>that fights cholesterol build up by emulsifying fats in the body,
>if I have it right. I think it is lecithin.
>
>Well, now I am embarrassed to have gotten so excited about eggs.
>Middle age--I think the glamour is over!
>
there are worse enthusiasms.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>rolls eyes>
>
>Only overcooked broccoli makes you fart!

I didn't know that! Guess I don't over cook it.


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"blake murphy" > wrote
>>
>>Well, now I am embarrassed to have gotten so excited about eggs.
>>Middle age--I think the glamour is over!
>>
> there are worse enthusiasms.
>

Yeah, and they cost more and get you into more trouble, usually!

Still, I need to get out more.

Lynne A > wrote:
>On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>
>> Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
>> lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
>> to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
>> near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
>> and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
>> will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
>
>Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part

Because they're idiots. They'd do better without the
muscle-damaging total carb deprivation. They also use
steroids. So don't tell me they're not idiots.

>of the cycle. Now, I'm sure they do lose muscle, but if they lost as
>much muscle as fat, they'd probably find another way to cycle. No one

No, they're idiots. They think they're doing something
that "works" and they're ****ing up. They could do better
without the muscle-damaging total carb deprivation.

>is more carb deprived than your average BB competitor a week out from
>a competition. They look pretty damned muscular to me up there.

They (a) have different genetics (b) chow on steroids (c)
work out and eat like mad for months at a time followed
by intensive fat-cutting diets (d) chow on steroids (which
burn fat as well as bulking muscle).

Tom Venuto studied successful bodybuilders and fitness
models and determined that the best route to success is
to get enough protein (more than the US RDA recommends),
match it with complex starchy and fibrous carbs while
avoiding simple carbs, eat whole foods whenever possible
(and it's almost always possible), and cover your need
for essential fats. /That/ is a fat-burning, muscle
sparing diet.

Doing that at a 500-1000 calorie deficit maintains
fat loss while avoiding starvation modes of all kinds.

Doing that while exercising keeps your hormones in a
muscle-sparing bias, keeps your body in a high metabolic
state 24/7 that actually enhances your weight-loss rate.

All of that adds up to maximize the ratio of fat loss
to muscle loss during cutting, and maximizing the
rate at which cutting occurs.

Going into ketosis is putting yourself into starvation
mode. It will slow your metabolism, slow your weight loss,
and increase your muscle loss, which permanently slows
your metabolism, increasing your propensity to gain fat
once you stop doing the low-carb diet.

Atkins was a con man.

--Blair

On Jul 15, 7:55 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> Lynne A > wrote:
>
> >On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>
> >> Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
> >> lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
> >> to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
> >> near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
> >> and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
> >> will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
>
> >Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part
>
> Because they're idiots.

You like to throw around the word, "idiots." How about you? You
wrote, "Your brain runs on complex carbohydrates."
>
> --Blair

--Bryan

In article >, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >rolls eyes>
> >
> >Only overcooked broccoli makes you fart!
>
> I didn't know that! Guess I don't over cook it.

I learnt it the hard way with Broccoli cheese soup from a local eatery.
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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>> Your brain DOES NOT run on complex carbs. You are blowing out your
>> ass.
>
> Okay, Dr. Atkins II.
>
>> During periods of plenty, your brain cells run on GLUCOSE, which is a
>> SIMPLE, not a "complex" carbohydrate.
>
> Your body breaks complex carbohydrates into simple carbohydrates.

Your body also breaks protein down into simple carbohydrates. In fact,
it does it much more evenly than complex carbohydrates.

>> I never felt more alert than when I was in ketosis. The first few
>> days are a bitch, but after that you're fine. During times when
>> you're running a big time calorie deficit, your head can feel swimmy,
>> but that's the case with any calorie deficit, ketogenic diet or
>> otherwise
>
> You're lucky you didn't die.

I'm just wondering what research you base that statement on...

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Omelet > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>> Your brain runs on complex carbohydrates. Cut down your
>>> intake of them and you'll go stupid and sleepy.
>> Wrong.
>>
>> Your brain runs on Glucose.
>
> Your food doesn't go straight into your brain.
>
> Eating glucose will give you a sugar spike which will put you to sleep.

WTF?

> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500, Omelet >
>wrote:
>
>>rolls eyes>
>>
>>Only overcooked broccoli makes you fart!
>
>I didn't know that! Guess I don't over cook it.

All asparagus makes your pee stink.

--Blair

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:09:39 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:


>
>All asparagus makes your pee stink.
>
> --Blair

Actually, I found out that isn't quite true. You have to have a gene
that makes it happen that way. Those that don't have the gene,
asparagus has no effect on urine.

Christine

On Jul 15, 6:55 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> Lynne A > wrote:
>
> >On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>
> >> Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
> >> lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
> >> to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
> >> near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
> >> and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
> >> will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
>
> >Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part
>
> Because they're idiots. They'd do better without the
> muscle-damaging total carb deprivation. They also use
> steroids. So don't tell me they're not idiots.
>
> >of the cycle. Now, I'm sure they do lose muscle, but if they lost as
> >much muscle as fat, they'd probably find another way to cycle. No one
>
> No, they're idiots. They think they're doing something
> that "works" and they're ****ing up. They could do better
> without the muscle-damaging total carb deprivation.
>
> >is more carb deprived than your average BB competitor a week out from
> >a competition. They look pretty damned muscular to me up there.
>
> They (a) have different genetics (b) chow on steroids (c)
> work out and eat like mad for months at a time followed
> by intensive fat-cutting diets (d) chow on steroids (which
> burn fat as well as bulking muscle).
>
> Tom Venuto studied successful bodybuilders and fitness
> models and determined that the best route to success is
> to get enough protein (more than the US RDA recommends),
> match it with complex starchy and fibrous carbs while
> avoiding simple carbs, eat whole foods whenever possible
> (and it's almost always possible), and cover your need
> for essential fats. /That/ is a fat-burning, muscle
> sparing diet.
>
> Doing that at a 500-1000 calorie deficit maintains
> fat loss while avoiding starvation modes of all kinds.
>
> Doing that while exercising keeps your hormones in a
> muscle-sparing bias, keeps your body in a high metabolic
> state 24/7 that actually enhances your weight-loss rate.
>
> All of that adds up to maximize the ratio of fat loss
> to muscle loss during cutting, and maximizing the
> rate at which cutting occurs.
>
> Going into ketosis is putting yourself into starvation
> mode. It will slow your metabolism, slow your weight loss,
> and increase your muscle loss, which permanently slows
> your metabolism, increasing your propensity to gain fat
> once you stop doing the low-carb diet.
>
> Atkins was a con man.
>
> --Blair

Actually, I know all about Tom Venuto, I use BFFM, but thanks for the
info. I also read Lyle McDonald and a few others that beg to differ-
and are more than able to do so, considering their backgrounds.
Cassandra Forsyth for one(her Masters is in nutrition, BTW), and
Charles Poliquin. You may have heard of him?

And no, all BB do NOT use steroids, including your dear Mr Venuto. He
is far from the be all and end all of nutrition, BTW. And Dr Atkins
was low carb, not no carb. People are not dying from not eatin
friggin' bread, you know. You can be QUITE healthy with only the
carbs from fruits and vegetables.

Lynne A

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:09:39 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> > wrote:
>>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500, Omelet >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>rolls eyes>
>>>
>>>Only overcooked broccoli makes you fart!
>>
>>I didn't know that! Guess I don't over cook it.
>
>All asparagus makes your pee stink.
>
What? No other pearls of wisdom from you????


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In article >,
Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> > wrote:
> >On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500, Omelet >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>rolls eyes>
> >>
> >>Only overcooked broccoli makes you fart!
> >
> >I didn't know that! Guess I don't over cook it.
>
> All asparagus makes your pee stink.
>
> --Blair

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Tony23 > wrote:

> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> > Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> >> Your brain DOES NOT run on complex carbs. You are blowing out your
> >> ass.
> >
> > Okay, Dr. Atkins II.
> >
> >> During periods of plenty, your brain cells run on GLUCOSE, which is a
> >> SIMPLE, not a "complex" carbohydrate.
> >
> > Your body breaks complex carbohydrates into simple carbohydrates.
>
> Your body also breaks protein down into simple carbohydrates. In fact,
> it does it much more evenly than complex carbohydrates.
>
> >> I never felt more alert than when I was in ketosis. The first few
> >> days are a bitch, but after that you're fine. During times when
> >> you're running a big time calorie deficit, your head can feel swimmy,
> >> but that's the case with any calorie deficit, ketogenic diet or
> >> otherwise
> >
> > You're lucky you didn't die.
>
> I'm just wondering what research you base that statement on...

Ditto.
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In article .com>,
Lynne A > wrote:

> On Jul 15, 6:55 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> > Lynne A > wrote:
> >
> > >On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> >
> > >> Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
> > >> lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
> > >> to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
> > >> near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
> > >> and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
> > >> will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
> >
> > >Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part
> >
> > Because they're idiots. They'd do better without the
> > muscle-damaging total carb deprivation. They also use
> > steroids. So don't tell me they're not idiots.
> >
> > >of the cycle. Now, I'm sure they do lose muscle, but if they lost as
> > >much muscle as fat, they'd probably find another way to cycle. No one
> >
> > No, they're idiots. They think they're doing something
> > that "works" and they're ****ing up. They could do better
> > without the muscle-damaging total carb deprivation.
> >
> > >is more carb deprived than your average BB competitor a week out from
> > >a competition. They look pretty damned muscular to me up there.
> >
> > They (a) have different genetics (b) chow on steroids (c)
> > work out and eat like mad for months at a time followed
> > by intensive fat-cutting diets (d) chow on steroids (which
> > burn fat as well as bulking muscle).
> >
> > Tom Venuto studied successful bodybuilders and fitness
> > models and determined that the best route to success is
> > to get enough protein (more than the US RDA recommends),
> > match it with complex starchy and fibrous carbs while
> > avoiding simple carbs, eat whole foods whenever possible
> > (and it's almost always possible), and cover your need
> > for essential fats. /That/ is a fat-burning, muscle
> > sparing diet.
> >
> > Doing that at a 500-1000 calorie deficit maintains
> > fat loss while avoiding starvation modes of all kinds.
> >
> > Doing that while exercising keeps your hormones in a
> > muscle-sparing bias, keeps your body in a high metabolic
> > state 24/7 that actually enhances your weight-loss rate.
> >
> > All of that adds up to maximize the ratio of fat loss
> > to muscle loss during cutting, and maximizing the
> > rate at which cutting occurs.
> >
> > Going into ketosis is putting yourself into starvation
> > mode. It will slow your metabolism, slow your weight loss,
> > and increase your muscle loss, which permanently slows
> > your metabolism, increasing your propensity to gain fat
> > once you stop doing the low-carb diet.
> >
> > Atkins was a con man.
> >
> > --Blair
>
> Actually, I know all about Tom Venuto, I use BFFM, but thanks for the
> info. I also read Lyle McDonald and a few others that beg to differ-
> and are more than able to do so, considering their backgrounds.
> Cassandra Forsyth for one(her Masters is in nutrition, BTW), and
> Charles Poliquin. You may have heard of him?
>
> And no, all BB do NOT use steroids, including your dear Mr Venuto. He
> is far from the be all and end all of nutrition, BTW. And Dr Atkins
> was low carb, not no carb. People are not dying from not eatin
> friggin' bread, you know. You can be QUITE healthy with only the
> carbs from fruits and vegetables.
>
> Lynne A
>

In fact even healthier.
A high fiber diet is a good thing.
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:26:11 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>>>
>>>Well, now I am embarrassed to have gotten so excited about eggs.
>>>Middle age--I think the glamour is over!
>>>
>> there are worse enthusiasms.
>>
>
>Yeah, and they cost more and get you into more trouble, usually!
>
>Still, I need to get out more.
>

just bring the eggs with you.

your pal,
blake

On Jul 16, 5:27 am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article .com>,
> Lynne A > wrote:
>

> > Actually, I know all about Tom Venuto, I use BFFM, but thanks for the
> > info. I also read Lyle McDonald and a few others that beg to differ-
> > and are more than able to do so, considering their backgrounds.
> > Cassandra Forsyth for one(her Masters is in nutrition, BTW), and
> > Charles Poliquin. You may have heard of him?
>
> > And no, all BB do NOT use steroids, including your dear Mr Venuto. He
> > is far from the be all and end all of nutrition, BTW. And Dr Atkins
> > was low carb, not no carb. People are not dying from not eatin
> > friggin' bread, you know. You can be QUITE healthy with only the
> > carbs from fruits and vegetables.
>
> > Lynne A
> >
>
> In fact even healthier.
> A high fiber diet is a good thing.
> --
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>
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Hey Om, long time no talk to! (We used to talk a wee bit on the ASDLC
group, but I won't be offended if you don't recall ;-) )

I eat between 30-40 grams of fiber daily, on a 1400 kcal cutting diet
right now, I love how much fuller I feel. mmmmm, veggies! I doubt
I'll ever reach BB status, but I hope to get my figure comp worthy bod
back soon-lost it when I quit smoking, but what the hey. BB status
would make me sad, though, cause I do love my beans, yams, and
occasional 12 grain bread. And my world does require peanut sesame
noodles at least once in a while<LOL>

Blair, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let your one opinion sway MY
opinion, versus all those stupid loser BB and figure competitors who
win awards for their physiques while eating keto part of the time.

Lynne A

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Tony23 > wrote:
>
>>> You're lucky you didn't die.
>> I'm just wondering what research you base that statement on...
>
> Ditto.

Huh?

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>On Jul 15, 7:55 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>> Lynne A > wrote:
>>
>> >On Jul 14, 7:33 pm, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>
>> >> Ketosis causes you to lose muscle at least as fast as you
>> >> lose fat. Your body thinks it is starving and is trying
>> >> to keep you alive longer by reducing your metabolism to
>> >> near zero. Eating properly, avoiding things like ketosis,
>> >> and exercises to maintain a muscular-adaptation bias,
>> >> will keep muscle loss to about 10% the rate of fat loss.
>>
>> >Then why do so many successful bodybuilders use keto diets? It's part
>>
>> Because they're idiots.
>
>You like to throw around the word, "idiots." How about you? You
>wrote, "Your brain runs on complex carbohydrates."

In the sense that YOU SHOULD BE EATING COMPLEX
CARBOHYDRATES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BEST FOOD TO EAT TO MAKE
YOUR BRAIN WORK, YOU IDIOT.

But I figure sometimes I don't need to spell /everything/
out.

I mean, when they said "fish is brain food", did you really
think that your brain was digesting cod?

--Blair

> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:09:39 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>>>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:17:54 -0500, Omelet >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>rolls eyes>
>>>>
>>>>Only overcooked broccoli makes you fart!
>>>
>>>I didn't know that! Guess I don't over cook it.
>>
>>All asparagus makes your pee stink.
>>
>What? No other pearls of wisdom from you????

I don't know what pearls do to your pee.

--Blair
"I can live with the broccoli farts
as long as the florets are removed."

Omelet > wrote:
> Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>> All asparagus makes your pee stink.
>
>Only if you have the genes to smell it.

I don't get pee on my jeans any more.

--Blair
"Good thing I learned that before
I started liking asparagus, huh."

Tony23 > wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>>> Your brain DOES NOT run on complex carbs. You are blowing out your
>>> ass.
>>
>> Okay, Dr. Atkins II.
>>
>>> During periods of plenty, your brain cells run on GLUCOSE, which is a
>>> SIMPLE, not a "complex" carbohydrate.
>>
>> Your body breaks complex carbohydrates into simple carbohydrates.
>
>Your body also breaks protein down into simple carbohydrates. In fact,
>it does it much more evenly than complex carbohydrates.

You are right that your body will break protein down into
carbohydrate when it lacks a dietary source of carbohydrate.

And when you're in ketosis, your body doesn't care whether
that protein comes from your food or your body. Hence the
accelerated rate of muscle loss.

And it doesn't much care whether it comes from skeletal
muscle or cardiac muscle.

No, it doesn't do it more evenly, because complex
carbohydrates are simple combinations of simple
carbohydrates. Proteins don't look anything like
carbohydrates. They have much more complicated structures,
and all those amine ligands that your body can't do anything
with once you've turned the burnable parts into carbohydrates.

>>> I never felt more alert than when I was in ketosis. The first few
>>> days are a bitch, but after that you're fine. During times when
>>> you're running a big time calorie deficit, your head can feel swimmy,
>>> but that's the case with any calorie deficit, ketogenic diet or
>>> otherwise
>>
>> You're lucky you didn't die.
>
>I'm just wondering what research you base that statement on...

Actual research. Read long ago. But here's what Google told
me when I put in "ketosis" and "death".

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...al-wisdom.html

"Another study followed 129 children and found that
seventeen developed severe complications and four people
died out of the 129; two of sepsis because of the increased
risk of infection, one of cardiomyopathy, and one of
lipoid pneumonia."

--Blair

Christine Dabney > wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:09:39 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>>
>>All asparagus makes your pee stink.
>
>Actually, I found out that isn't quite true. You have to have a gene
>that makes it happen that way. Those that don't have the gene,
>asparagus has no effect on urine.

I thought we'd cleansed ourselves of the mutants.

--Blair

In article >,
Tony23 > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Tony23 > wrote:
> >
> >>> You're lucky you didn't die.
> >> I'm just wondering what research you base that statement on...
> >
> > Ditto.
>
> Huh?

The question was that you will die if you don't eat carbs.
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In article . com>,
Lynne A > wrote:

> Hey Om, long time no talk to! (We used to talk a wee bit on the ASDLC
> group, but I won't be offended if you don't recall ;-) )

<waves>

It has been awhile... :-)

>
> I eat between 30-40 grams of fiber daily, on a 1400 kcal cutting diet
> right now, I love how much fuller I feel. mmmmm, veggies! I doubt
> I'll ever reach BB status, but I hope to get my figure comp worthy bod
> back soon-lost it when I quit smoking, but what the hey. BB status
> would make me sad, though, cause I do love my beans, yams, and
> occasional 12 grain bread. And my world does require peanut sesame
> noodles at least once in a while<LOL>

I know what you mean.

>
> Blair, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let your one opinion sway MY
> opinion, versus all those stupid loser BB and figure competitors who
> win awards for their physiques while eating keto part of the time.
>
> Lynne A
>

Most BB'er deaths have had nothing whatsoever to do with a keto diet.
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writes:
>On Jul 16, 5:27 am, Omelet > wrote:
>> In article .com>,
>> Lynne A > wrote:
>>
>
>> > Actually, I know all about Tom Venuto, I use BFFM, but thanks for the
>> > info. I also read Lyle McDonald and a few others that beg to differ-
>> > and are more than able to do so, considering their backgrounds.
>> > Cassandra Forsyth for one(her Masters is in nutrition, BTW), and
>> > Charles Poliquin. You may have heard of him?
>>
>> > And no, all BB do NOT use steroids, including your dear Mr Venuto. He
>> > is far from the be all and end all of nutrition, BTW. And Dr Atkins
>> > was low carb, not no carb. People are not dying from not eatin
>> > friggin' bread, you know. You can be QUITE healthy with only the
>> > carbs from fruits and vegetables.
>>
>> > Lynne A
>> >
>>
>> In fact even healthier.
>> A high fiber diet is a good thing.
>> --
>> Peace, Om
>>
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>
>Hey Om, long time no talk to! (We used to talk a wee bit on the ASDLC
>group, but I won't be offended if you don't recall ;-) )
>
>I eat between 30-40 grams of fiber daily, on a 1400 kcal cutting diet
>right now, I love how much fuller I feel. mmmmm, veggies! I doubt
>I'll ever reach BB status, but I hope to get my figure comp worthy bod
>back soon-lost it when I quit smoking, but what the hey. BB status
>would make me sad, though, cause I do love my beans, yams, and
>occasional 12 grain bread. And my world does require peanut sesame
>noodles at least once in a while<LOL>
>
>Blair, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let your one opinion sway MY
>opinion, versus all those stupid loser BB and figure competitors who
>win awards for their physiques while eating keto part of the time.
>
>Lynne A



Blair should post a pic of himself

I wanna see his 8% bf physique

writes:

>>I'm just wondering what research you base that statement on...
>
>Actual research. Read long ago. But here's what Google told
>me when I put in "ketosis" and "death".
>
>http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...al-wisdom.html
>
>"Another study followed 129 children and found that
>seventeen developed severe complications and four people
>died out of the 129; two of sepsis because of the increased
>risk of infection, one of cardiomyopathy, and one of
>lipoid pneumonia."

and yet another (actually cited) study:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...8/4/898?ck=nck

Results. In 1999, 3 to 6 years after initiating the diet, 107 of 150
families responded to a questionnaire. Thirty-five additional families
were interviewed by telephone, 4 were lost to follow-up, and 4 children
had died, unrelated to the diet. Of the original 150 patient cohort,
20 (13%) were seizure-free and an additional 21 (14%) had a 90% to 99%
decrease in their seizures. Twenty-nine were free of medications, and
28 were on only 1 medication; 15 remained on the diet. There were no
known cardiac complications.

Conclusion. Three to 6 years after initiation, the ketogenic diet had
proven to be effective in the control of difficult-to-control seizures
in children. The diet often allows decrease or discontinuation of
medication. It is more effective than many of the newer anticonvulsants
and is well-tolerated when it is effective.