A local town near where I live has made it illegal to have a backyard
barbque after 8 PM. Is a rule like this normal in towns?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_516888.html

It seems if you do it quietly, what difference does it make.

Tom

On Jul 12, 6:45?am, " >
wrote:
> A local town near where I live has made it illegal to have a backyard
> barbque after 8 PM. Is a rule like this normal in towns?
>
> http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...yregion/s_5168...
>
> It seems if you do it quietly, what difference does it make.

The article you posted says nothing about noise, the complaint is
about the smoke. I can emphasize with the problem, I've experienced
it myself. Where I lived previously (suburbia) the homes were on
fairly small lots and were spaced close to each other. On weekends
especially when many were ouside grilling all day and late into the
night the entire neighborhood was shrouded in rather thick and pungent
smoke. I have to admit that I contributed, but on days that I wasn't
cooking outdoors I did find all that acrid smoke annoying, actually
more than annoying, it was disturbing. Fortunately I had central air
so my house was sealed shut, I wasn't bothered indoors but when
sitting outdoors in the evenings it was very irritating... some of the
cooking (lamb and fish) sent me indoors. Also if smoking tobacco is a
health issue so is outdoor grilling equally so if not more.
Personally I think this late evening curfew on outdoor grilling is a
good law. Just like excessive and inappropriate noise is an
inconsiderate intrusion so is cooking outdoors. I think when people
choose to live in close proximity to each other then they must
exercise due diligence to respect each others space, and when they
refuse to behave civily then laws need to be enacted that force folks
to act responsibly.

Sheldon

"Sheldon" > wrote

> I think when people
> choose to live in close proximity to each other then they must
> exercise due diligence to respect each others space, and when they
> refuse to behave civily then laws need to be enacted that force folks
> to act responsibly.

Well said, Sheldon.

nancy

On Jul 12, 8:23?am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote
>
> > I think when people
> > choose to live in close proximity to each other then they must
> > exercise due diligence to respect each others space, and when they
> > refuse to behave civily then laws need to be enacted that force folks
> > to act responsibly.
>
> Well said, Sheldon.

Unfortunately the quality of life laws mostly go unenforced. When
first initiated there is always a loud cry about sending out the
gestapo and issuance of fines, but rarely does law enforcement respond
and if they do they don't even write up the complaint let alone issue
summonses. And that's too bad, because enforcement of the most minor
of ordinances is what mostly deters the commission of more serious
offences. It only takes a couple of fines issued for loud music and
barking dogs after hours and most everyone in the neighborhood will
quickly comply... and then there'd be far fewer assaults between
neighbors. But then people don't disipline their kids, so it's no
wonder the prisons are full to bursting... it's only a few baby steps
from the six year olds not putting their clothes in the hamper, to
shop lifting, drugs, grand theft auto, and homicide. Only the parents
who are criminals themselves think this is not true.

Sheldon

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:45:08 -0700, "
> wrote:

>A local town near where I live has made it illegal to have a backyard
>barbque after 8 PM. Is a rule like this normal in towns?
>
>http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_516888.html
>
>It seems if you do it quietly, what difference does it make.
>
..... as long as your bbq smoke doesn't blow into the mayor's yard.
--

History is a vast early warning system
Norman Cousins

Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Jul 12, 8:23?am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> > "Sheldon" > wrote
> >
> > > I think when people
> > > choose to live in close proximity to each other then they must
> > > exercise due diligence to respect each others space, and when they
> > > refuse to behave civily then laws need to be enacted that force folks
> > > to act responsibly.
> >
> > Well said, Sheldon.
>
> Unfortunately the quality of life laws mostly go unenforced. When
> first initiated there is always a loud cry about sending out the
> gestapo and issuance of fines, but rarely does law enforcement respond
> and if they do they don't even write up the complaint let alone issue
> summonses. And that's too bad, because enforcement of the most minor
> of ordinances is what mostly deters the commission of more serious
> offences. It only takes a couple of fines issued for loud music and
> barking dogs after hours and most everyone in the neighborhood will
> quickly comply... and then there'd be far fewer assaults between
> neighbors. But then people don't disipline their kids, so it's no
> wonder the prisons are full to bursting... it's only a few baby steps
> from the six year olds not putting their clothes in the hamper, to
> shop lifting, drugs, grand theft auto, and homicide. Only the parents
> who are criminals themselves think this is not true.
>
> Sheldon

It will also be ruled unconstitutional after the first challenge from
someone who works odd hours and the law infringes on their right to cook
their dinner as they see fit.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> It seems one of the Mayor's friends had a neighbor who cooked late
> at night. Hence, now the whole town can't cook at night.
>
> That mayor needs taken out back and shot.

And his family sent a bill for the
cost of the bullet.

In article >, says...
> It will also be ruled unconstitutional after the first challenge from
> someone who works odd hours and the law infringes on their right to cook
> their dinner as they see fit.
>
>

Oh, there's a constitutional right to cook your dinner as you see fit
even though it sends noxious fumes into your neighbor's house? Exactly
which clause of the constitution is that? I must have missed it.

I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
blew into your house regularly?


--
Peter Aitken

Peter A wrote:
>
> I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to
> solve the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think
> that you should have some control over the air on your private
> property? Would it be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and
> the stench of the pig shit blew into your house regularly?

A friend of mine has a brother who did that.
He bought some property and closed off a
dirt road (not a real road, just one formed
from use) that people in a neighboring
housing development had used as a shortcut.

They got ****ed about that. He had rather
a large number of dogs, and some of them
complained to the city about his dogs.
He was forced to get rid of all but three
of his dogs.

A little research reveals he's allowed
to have pigs! It's a large property,
so the pig pen went in the far corner,
near the neighbors.

Pick up after your dog
Don't speed in the neighborhood
No loud noises after 10 pm
No unattended kids in the pool
No open fires during dry season.....
etc...etc....

I'd call it "common sense"

But, there will always be those assholes who think;
"Those rules don't apply to me"

Sadly, those are the people that cause the rules.


<rj>

<RJ> said...

> Pick up after your dog
> Don't speed in the neighborhood
> No loud noises after 10 pm
> No unattended kids in the pool
> No open fires during dry season.....
> etc...etc....
>
> I'd call it "common sense"
>
> But, there will always be those assholes who think;
> "Those rules don't apply to me"
>
> Sadly, those are the people that cause the rules.
>
>
> <rj>


Yeah, right. How totally convenient for a grill law after 8pm but where the
**** are the cops when my neighbor fired off his shotgun on New Year's Eve?

Sick ****in' Kreative Grilling Law BUMS!!!

Illegalize grilling after 8pm??? Great! Well, try to illegalize murder
after 8pm while you're at it!!!

Assholism in action.

How about no grilling before 5am?

Geez...

Andy

Peter A wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
> > It will also be ruled unconstitutional after the first challenge from
> > someone who works odd hours and the law infringes on their right to cook
> > their dinner as they see fit.
> >
> >
>
> Oh, there's a constitutional right to cook your dinner as you see fit
> even though it sends noxious fumes into your neighbor's house? Exactly
> which clause of the constitution is that? I must have missed it.
>
> I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
> the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
> should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
> be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
> blew into your house regularly?
>

I have no problem with just about anything my neighbors do that does not
directly harm my property, even if it's annoying. I expect my neighbors
to not bitch about anything I do that doesn't directly harm their
property either even if it annoys them. Around here in TX we BBQ
regularly and that means around the clock smoke since that brisket takes
16+ hours.

Pete C.

"" wrote:
>
> But, there will always be those assholes who think;
> "Those rules don't apply to me"

And they've all got blogspot accounts.
Where's boiling oil when you really need it?

Andy wrote:
> <RJ> said...
>
>> Pick up after your dog
>> Don't speed in the neighborhood
>> No loud noises after 10 pm
>> No unattended kids in the pool
>> No open fires during dry season.....
>> etc...etc....
>>
>> I'd call it "common sense"
>>
>> But, there will always be those assholes who think;
>> "Those rules don't apply to me"
>>
>> Sadly, those are the people that cause the rules.
>>
>>
>> <rj>
>
>
> Yeah, right. How totally convenient for a grill law after 8pm but where the
> **** are the cops when my neighbor fired off his shotgun on New Year's Eve?
>
> Sick ****in' Kreative Grilling Law BUMS!!!
>
> Illegalize grilling after 8pm??? Great! Well, try to illegalize murder
> after 8pm while you're at it!!!
>
> Assholism in action.
>
> How about no grilling before 5am?
>
> Geez...
>
> Andy
>


That's not a bad idea. Depending on how the law is specifically worded,
maybe you can fire up the grill at midnight and be OK.

Bob

In article >,
Peter A > wrote:

> I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
> the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
> should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
> be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
> blew into your house regularly?

You know, you might want to get a better grade of meat for your
grill if you think this analogy makes sense.

Mike Beede

Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>"Sheldon" > wrote
>
>> I think when people
>> choose to live in close proximity to each other then they must
>> exercise due diligence to respect each others space, and when they
>> refuse to behave civily then laws need to be enacted that force folks
>> to act responsibly.
>
>Well said, Sheldon.

So you're okay with having Sheldon banned from posting
for 10 years.

--Blair

Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>A little research reveals he's allowed
>to have pigs! It's a large property,
>so the pig pen went in the far corner,
>near the neighbors.

The punchline being that while cowshit and horseshit
smell "agricultural", pigshit smells like peopleshit
and therefore is one of the foulest things you can
live next door to.

--Blair

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>A local town near where I live has made it illegal to have a backyard
> barbque after 8 PM. Is a rule like this normal in towns?
>
> http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_516888.html
>
> It seems if you do it quietly, what difference does it make.
>
> Tom
>

It's legal again.

http://www.canonsburgboro.com/

BOB
the mayor should *still* be shot...

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Peter A > wrote:
>
>> I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
>> the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
>> should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
>> be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
>> blew into your house regularly?
>
> You know, you might want to get a better grade of meat for your
> grill if you think this analogy makes sense.
>
> Mike Beede


ROTFL! Excellent reply.

BOB

In article >,
says...
> > I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
> > the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
> > should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
> > be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
> > blew into your house regularly?
>
> You know, you might want to get a better grade of meat for your
> grill if you think this analogy makes sense.
>

Gee, you're so clever.

The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.

Do you understand now?

--
Peter Aitken

On Jul 12, 11:00?pm, Steve Wertz > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:11:35 -0700, <RJ> wrote:
> > Pick up after your dog
> > Don't speed in the neighborhood
> > No loud noises after 10 pm
> > No unattended kids in the pool
> > No open fires during dry season.....
> > etc...etc....
>
> > I'd call it "common sense"
>
> > But, there will always be those assholes who think;
> > "Those rules don't apply to me"
>
> > Sadly, those are the people that cause the rules.
>
> The situation seems to be enjoyment of personal domicile.

Of course, within ones walls and under ones roof. No one is
advocating prevention of cooking INSIDE ones domicile.

Merriam Webster

do?mi?cile
noun
1 : a dwelling place
---


Sheldon

Peter A wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> > > I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
> > > the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
> > > should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
> > > be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
> > > blew into your house regularly?
> >
> > You know, you might want to get a better grade of meat for your
> > grill if you think this analogy makes sense.
> >
>
> Gee, you're so clever.
>
> The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
> my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
> a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
> delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.

I've never had any foul smoke or lighter fluid smells from my gas grill,
nor my charcoal smoker which is fed only lump charcoal started in a
chimney starter.

Pete C.

In article >,
Peter A > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > > I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
> > > the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
> > > should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
> > > be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
> > > blew into your house regularly?
> >
> > You know, you might want to get a better grade of meat for your
> > grill if you think this analogy makes sense.
> >
>
> Gee, you're so clever.
>
> The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
> my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
> a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
> delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.
>
> Do you understand now?

If you don't like flowers, should your neighbors not be allowed
to grow them because you might look over and see them? You made
an extreme analogy--the most offensive smell commonly encountered
vs. a little lighter fluid and the pleasant smell of grilling meat.
I pointed out that it was silly.

I must take issue with your argument: "I should control what smells
come into my house no matter what the smells are." Does that mean
your neighbor can make you take a bath? Can he stop you from popping
corn on your stove? What about forbidding your growing of roses?

Mike Beede

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
>
> The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
> my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
> a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
> delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.

A baker was furious that his neighbor got to enjoy the delicious ordor
coming from his bakery for free. So, this being the USA, he sued. The
judge had the neighbor bring an outrageous fine, in cash, to the court. His
honor asked the baker to count it to make sure it was sufficient. "Yes.
This will compensate me nicely!" Then the judge had him return the money to
his neighbor.

Mitch

In article >, "Mitch Scherer" >
wrote:

> "Peter A" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
> > my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
> > a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
> > delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.
>
> A baker was furious that his neighbor got to enjoy the delicious ordor
> coming from his bakery for free. So, this being the USA, he sued. The
> judge had the neighbor bring an outrageous fine, in cash, to the court. His
> honor asked the baker to count it to make sure it was sufficient. "Yes.
> This will compensate me nicely!" Then the judge had him return the money to
> his neighbor.
>
> Mitch

Anyone that uses lighter fluid ought'a be smacked anyway. ;-)
That stuff reeks and tends to be pervasive enough to flavor the food.

Dry wood/charcoal with an underlayer of newspaper works fine, or use a
chimney starter.

The only time I ever use any kind of liquid fuel is if I'm using wood
that is not totally dry; then I use a small amount of clear, unscented
lamp oil (Kerosine) which burns off clean and odorless.

My wood fires get to burn down to coals for a good hour so there is no
trace of the "fuel" left.
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On Jul 12, 5:21?pm, Peter A > wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
> > It will also be ruled unconstitutional after the first challenge from
> > someone who works odd hours and the law infringes on their right to cook
> > their dinner as they see fit.
>
> Oh, there's a constitutional right to cook your dinner as you see fit
> even though it sends noxious fumes into your neighbor's house? Exactly
> which clause of the constitution is that? I must have missed it.
>
> I agree that this law seems dumb, there must be a better way to solve
> the problem than banning all grilling. But, don't you think that you
> should have some control over the air on your private property? Would it
> be OK, say, if your neighbor raised pigs and the stench of the pig shit
> blew into your house regularly?
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

Oh my gosh, it's not as if the people are grilling after 8:00
everyday. Even if they were then so what? There are a lot worse
things they could be doing. I think people just need to be a little
more tolerant. My next door neighbors frequently grill late at night
and yes, the smell does sometime come into my house but I see no
reason to make a fuss over it.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:13:10 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >, "Mitch Scherer" >
>wrote:
>
>> "Peter A" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
>> > my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
>> > a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
>> > delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.
>>
>> A baker was furious that his neighbor got to enjoy the delicious ordor
>> coming from his bakery for free. So, this being the USA, he sued. The
>> judge had the neighbor bring an outrageous fine, in cash, to the court. His
>> honor asked the baker to count it to make sure it was sufficient. "Yes.
>> This will compensate me nicely!" Then the judge had him return the money to
>> his neighbor.
>>
>> Mitch
>
>Anyone that uses lighter fluid ought'a be smacked anyway. ;-)
>That stuff reeks and tends to be pervasive enough to flavor the food.
>
>Dry wood/charcoal with an underlayer of newspaper works fine, or use a
>chimney starter.
>
>The only time I ever use any kind of liquid fuel is if I'm using wood
>that is not totally dry; then I use a small amount of clear, unscented
>lamp oil (Kerosine) which burns off clean and odorless.
>
>My wood fires get to burn down to coals for a good hour so there is no
>trace of the "fuel" left.

I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
torch.

In article >,
wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:13:10 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >, "Mitch Scherer" >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> "Peter A" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come into
> >> > my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills usually give off
> >> > a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But, even if the smells are
> >> > delicious, I should not be forced to experience them in my own house.
> >>
> >> A baker was furious that his neighbor got to enjoy the delicious ordor
> >> coming from his bakery for free. So, this being the USA, he sued. The
> >> judge had the neighbor bring an outrageous fine, in cash, to the court.
> >> His
> >> honor asked the baker to count it to make sure it was sufficient. "Yes.
> >> This will compensate me nicely!" Then the judge had him return the money
> >> to
> >> his neighbor.
> >>
> >> Mitch
> >
> >Anyone that uses lighter fluid ought'a be smacked anyway. ;-)
> >That stuff reeks and tends to be pervasive enough to flavor the food.
> >
> >Dry wood/charcoal with an underlayer of newspaper works fine, or use a
> >chimney starter.
> >
> >The only time I ever use any kind of liquid fuel is if I'm using wood
> >that is not totally dry; then I use a small amount of clear, unscented
> >lamp oil (Kerosine) which burns off clean and odorless.
> >
> >My wood fires get to burn down to coals for a good hour so there is no
> >trace of the "fuel" left.
>
> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
> torch.

That's cheating!!! ;-)

And more expensive.
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Omelet said...

> In article >,
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:13:10 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >, "Mitch Scherer" >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Peter A" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > The analogy makes perfect sense. I should control what smells come
>> >> > into my house no matter what the smells are. Anyway, grills
>> >> > usually give off a lot of foul smoke and lighter fluid smell. But,
>> >> > even if the smells are delicious, I should not be forced to
>> >> > experience them in my own house.
>> >>
>> >> A baker was furious that his neighbor got to enjoy the delicious
>> >> ordor coming from his bakery for free. So, this being the USA, he
>> >> sued. The judge had the neighbor bring an outrageous fine, in cash,
>> >> to the court. His
>> >> honor asked the baker to count it to make sure it was sufficient.
>> >> "Yes. This will compensate me nicely!" Then the judge had him
>> >> return the money to
>> >> his neighbor.
>> >>
>> >> Mitch
>> >
>> >Anyone that uses lighter fluid ought'a be smacked anyway. ;-)
>> >That stuff reeks and tends to be pervasive enough to flavor the food.
>> >
>> >Dry wood/charcoal with an underlayer of newspaper works fine, or use
>> >a chimney starter.
>> >
>> >The only time I ever use any kind of liquid fuel is if I'm using wood
>> >that is not totally dry; then I use a small amount of clear, unscented
>> >lamp oil (Kerosine) which burns off clean and odorless.
>> >
>> >My wood fires get to burn down to coals for a good hour so there is no
>> >trace of the "fuel" left.
>>
>> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
>> torch.
>
> That's cheating!!! ;-)
>
> And more expensive.


While they're at it, could The BUMS!!! make it illegal to grill a well-done
burger?!! And don't "feed" us your USDA/FDA/CDC e-coli/mad-cow problems, fix
that too!!!

Andy

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:46 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
>> torch.
>
>That's cheating!!! ;-)
>
>And more expensive.

It's really cheaper than any kind of fluid. I've been doing it for
years. Fill a chimney half way with lump and top it with wood chunks.
60 seconds with a torch under it and it's all set. 5 minutes later
it's ready to dump over. A propane bottle is about 3 bucks. It would
easily start 100+ fires. If I'm starting all wood chunks I've set the
chimney on the turkey fryer base (set on a law flame) for a few
minutes. Works like a charm. Cheating? maybe <g> More expensive?
nope.

Lou

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:46 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
> >> torch.
> >
> >That's cheating!!! ;-)
> >
> >And more expensive.
>
> It's really cheaper than any kind of fluid. I've been doing it for
> years. Fill a chimney half way with lump and top it with wood chunks.
> 60 seconds with a torch under it and it's all set. 5 minutes later
> it's ready to dump over. A propane bottle is about 3 bucks. It would
> easily start 100+ fires. If I'm starting all wood chunks I've set the
> chimney on the turkey fryer base (set on a law flame) for a few
> minutes. Works like a charm. Cheating? maybe <g> More expensive?
> nope.
>
> Lou

Very cool. I do have a blow torch and had planned on investing in a
chimney starter. :-)

Thanks for the hint!
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:55:16 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:46 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
>> >> torch.
>> >
>> >That's cheating!!! ;-)
>> >
>> >And more expensive.
>>
>> It's really cheaper than any kind of fluid. I've been doing it for
>> years. Fill a chimney half way with lump and top it with wood chunks.
>> 60 seconds with a torch under it and it's all set. 5 minutes later
>> it's ready to dump over. A propane bottle is about 3 bucks. It would
>> easily start 100+ fires. If I'm starting all wood chunks I've set the
>> chimney on the turkey fryer base (set on a law flame) for a few
>> minutes. Works like a charm. Cheating? maybe <g> More expensive?
>> nope.
>>
>> Lou
>
>Very cool. I do have a blow torch and had planned on investing in a
>chimney starter. :-)

A friend told me just yesterday that he bought a setup to refill the
little propane tanks from a 25 lb. bottle. It was $20.00. It's
illegal to transport them and it's important to weigh them to make
sure they're not overfilled. He claimed it's just pennies to fill the
little tanks. Even buying new tanks (in my experience) it's better and
cheaper than any fluid. Make sure you have the flame positioned under
a hole in the chimney. You can also just put lump in the firebox and
torch it there if you don't want to spring for a chimney. A 5,000
degree flame will start a fire pretty fast.

>Thanks for the hint!

Always happy to help whenever I can.

Lou

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> >Very cool. I do have a blow torch and had planned on investing in a
> >chimney starter. :-)
>
> A friend told me just yesterday that he bought a setup to refill the
> little propane tanks from a 25 lb. bottle. It was $20.00. It's
> illegal to transport them and it's important to weigh them to make
> sure they're not overfilled. He claimed it's just pennies to fill the
> little tanks. Even buying new tanks (in my experience) it's better and
> cheaper than any fluid. Make sure you have the flame positioned under
> a hole in the chimney. You can also just put lump in the firebox and
> torch it there if you don't want to spring for a chimney. A 5,000
> degree flame will start a fire pretty fast.
>
> >Thanks for the hint!
>
> Always happy to help whenever I can.
>
> Lou

IME, small torch tanks are only disposable?

Only the big tanks are refillable...
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >, Lou Decruss
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:46 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
>> >> torch.
>> >
>> >That's cheating!!! ;-)
>> >
>> >And more expensive.
>>
>> It's really cheaper than any kind of fluid. I've been doing it for
>> years. Fill a chimney half way with lump and top it with wood
>> chunks. 60 seconds with a torch under it and it's all set. 5
>> minutes later it's ready to dump over. A propane bottle is about 3
>> bucks. It would easily start 100+ fires. If I'm starting all wood
>> chunks I've set the chimney on the turkey fryer base (set on a law
>> flame) for a few minutes. Works like a charm. Cheating? maybe <g>
>> More expensive? nope.
>
> Very cool. I do have a blow torch and had planned on investing in a
> chimney starter. :-)

I quoted some of this thread in an email to my grilling buddy, and he
replied with an old (1970s) photo of his dad browning a steak on the
grill with his propane torch.


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In article >,
Blinky the Shark > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >, Lou Decruss
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:49:46 -0500, Omelet >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I can start a fire faster than lighter fliud using my propane blow
> >> >> torch.
> >> >
> >> >That's cheating!!! ;-)
> >> >
> >> >And more expensive.
> >>
> >> It's really cheaper than any kind of fluid. I've been doing it for
> >> years. Fill a chimney half way with lump and top it with wood
> >> chunks. 60 seconds with a torch under it and it's all set. 5
> >> minutes later it's ready to dump over. A propane bottle is about 3
> >> bucks. It would easily start 100+ fires. If I'm starting all wood
> >> chunks I've set the chimney on the turkey fryer base (set on a law
> >> flame) for a few minutes. Works like a charm. Cheating? maybe <g>
> >> More expensive? nope.
> >
> > Very cool. I do have a blow torch and had planned on investing in a
> > chimney starter. :-)
>
> I quoted some of this thread in an email to my grilling buddy, and he
> replied with an old (1970s) photo of his dad browning a steak on the
> grill with his propane torch.

Heh!
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Omelet > wrote:
> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>> I quoted some of this thread in an email to my grilling buddy, and he
>> replied with an old (1970s) photo of his dad browning a steak on the
>> grill with his propane torch.
>
>Heh!

Steak brulee!

--Blair