China fights back, goes after U.S. meat
7/14/2007, 7:48 a.m. ET
By ANITA CHANG
The Associated Press

BEIJING (AP) - China has suspended imports from several major U.S.
meat processors, including the world's largest, in the latest
indication the government may be retaliating as its products are
turned back from overseas because of safety concerns.

Frozen poultry products from Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest
meat processor, were found to be contaminated with salmonella, the
General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and
Quarantine said on its Web site late Friday.

Other imports barred by China included frozen chicken feet from
Sanderson Farms, Inc. tainted with residue of an anti-parasite drug,
as well as frozen pork ribs from Cargill Meat Solutions Corp.
containing a leanness-enhancing feed additive, the AQSIQ said.

A spokesman for Cargill denied the agency's claims, while officials at
Tyson and Sanderson Farms were not immediately available to comment.

China's food and drug safety record has come under scrutiny in recent
months following the deaths of cats and dogs in the United States and
Canada blamed on tainted Chinese pet food ingredients. Worries at home
and around the world have heightened as a growing number of Chinese
products are found tainted with dangerous levels of toxins and
chemicals...

-----------------------------------------------

After Silence, China Mounts Product Safety PR Offensive
By Ariana Eunjung Cha
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, July 14, 2007; A01

BEIJING -- Scanning the headlines in the Chinese press, it's easy to
conclude that the global brouhaha over product safety is not about
China -- but about America.

Investigative reports in the state-run media delve into the case of an
exploding cellphone purportedly made by U.S.-based Motorola that
allegedly killed a young man. They warn consumers not to use contact-
lens solution produced by U.S.-based Advanced Medical Optics, which
has been linked to rare cases of blindness. And they play up recalls
of U.S. beef.

Faced with mounting international concern over the safety of some of
the products it exports, the Chinese government -- often perceived as
defensive and clumsy in how it handles public relations -- is firing
back.

In Washington, China has put together a team of lobbyists who have
been practically living on Capitol Hill for the past few weeks. In
Beijing, the government has taken the unusual step of seeking advice
from outsiders, including public relations powerhouses Ogilvy and
Edelman, about how to get positive messages out to Chinese and
American consumers.

The result has been an aggressive campaign to save the "Made in China"
label by presenting an alternate view on consumer safety and
globalization...

-------------------------------------------------

Warning over toxic fake toothpaste
James Sturcke
Thursday July 12, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

The pharmaceutical maker GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) today warned that fake
tubes of its Sensodyne toothpaste on sale in the UK contain a chemical
used to thicken anti-freeze.
The counterfeit 50ml tubes of Sensodyne Original and Sensodye Mint
contained diethylene glycol, which is toxic to young children and
anyone with impaired liver or kidney function, the manufacturer
warned.

The alert comes a few days after more than 120,000 tubes of toothpaste
were seized by Italian and Spanish authorities amid fears that the
same chemical was being passed off as glycerine. The Italian and
Spanish tubes were believed to have been imported from China,

.... Late yesterday, China's quality and inspection watchdog banned the
used of diethylene glycol, although it insisted there was no evidence
the chemical was harmful.

In ps.com
wrote:

> Frozen poultry products from Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest
> meat processor, were found to be contaminated with salmonella,

No kidding?

That's why you're supposed to cook it before eating it.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

On 2007-07-14, Bert Hyman > wrote:

> No kidding?
>
> That's why you're supposed to cook it before eating it.

Bull! US producers need to clean up their act, too.

nb

On Jul 14, 7:35 am, wrote:
> China fights back, goes after U.S. meat
> 7/14/2007, 7:48 a.m. ET
> By ANITA CHANG
> The Associated Press
>
> BEIJING (AP) - China has suspended imports from several major U.S.
> meat processors, including the world's largest, in the latest
> indication the government may be retaliating as its products are
> turned back from overseas because of safety concerns.
>
> Frozen poultry products from Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest
> meat processor, were found to be contaminated with salmonella, the

And e-coli on ground beef, lettuce, green onions, spinach,...

> General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and
> Quarantine said on its Web site late Friday.
>
> Other imports barred by China included frozen chicken feet from
> Sanderson Farms, Inc. tainted with residue of an anti-parasite drug,
> as well as frozen pork ribs from Cargill Meat Solutions Corp.
> containing a leanness-enhancing feed additive, the AQSIQ said.
>
> A spokesman for Cargill denied the agency's claims, while officials at
> Tyson and Sanderson Farms were not immediately available to comment.
>
> China's food and drug safety record has come under scrutiny in recent
> months following the deaths of cats and dogs in the United States and
> Canada blamed on tainted Chinese pet food ingredients. Worries at home
> and around the world have heightened as a growing number of Chinese
> products are found tainted with dangerous levels of toxins and
> chemicals...
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> After Silence, China Mounts Product Safety PR Offensive
> By Ariana Eunjung Cha
> Washington Post Foreign Service
> Saturday, July 14, 2007; A01
>
> BEIJING -- Scanning the headlines in the Chinese press, it's easy to
> conclude that the global brouhaha over product safety is not about
> China -- but about America.
>
> Investigative reports in the state-run media delve into the case of an
> exploding cellphone purportedly made by U.S.-based Motorola that
> allegedly killed a young man. They warn consumers not to use contact-
> lens solution produced by U.S.-based Advanced Medical Optics, which
> has been linked to rare cases of blindness. And they play up recalls
> of U.S. beef.
>
> Faced with mounting international concern over the safety of some of
> the products it exports, the Chinese government -- often perceived as
> defensive and clumsy in how it handles public relations -- is firing
> back.
>
> In Washington, China has put together a team of lobbyists who have
> been practically living on Capitol Hill for the past few weeks. In
> Beijing, the government has taken the unusual step of seeking advice
> from outsiders, including public relations powerhouses Ogilvy and
> Edelman, about how to get positive messages out to Chinese and
> American consumers.
>
> The result has been an aggressive campaign to save the "Made in China"
> label by presenting an alternate view on consumer safety and
> globalization...
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Warning over toxic fake toothpaste
> James Sturcke
> Thursday July 12, 2007
> Guardian Unlimited
>
> The pharmaceutical maker GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) today warned that fake
> tubes of its Sensodyne toothpaste on sale in the UK contain a chemical
> used to thicken anti-freeze.
> The counterfeit 50ml tubes of Sensodyne Original and Sensodye Mint
> contained diethylene glycol, which is toxic to young children and
> anyone with impaired liver or kidney function, the manufacturer
> warned.
>
> The alert comes a few days after more than 120,000 tubes of toothpaste
> were seized by Italian and Spanish authorities amid fears that the
> same chemical was being passed off as glycerine. The Italian and
> Spanish tubes were believed to have been imported from China,
>
> ... Late yesterday, China's quality and inspection watchdog banned the
> used of diethylene glycol, although it insisted there was no evidence
> the chemical was harmful.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, notbob wrote:

> On 2007-07-14, Bert Hyman > wrote:
>
>> No kidding?
>>
>> That's why you're supposed to cook it before eating
>> it.
>
> Bull! US producers need to clean up their act, too.
>
> nb

Perhaps the Chinese might also find some mad cow
disease in American Beef. That would be the death of
the US beef industry.

notbob wrote:
> On 2007-07-14, Bert Hyman > wrote:
>
>> No kidding?
>>
>> That's why you're supposed to cook it before eating it.
>
> Bull! US producers need to clean up their act, too.
>
> nb
Agreed! I can't get over how the US population has just rolled over for
producers of meat and chicken and eggs and overcook everything because
otherwise they'll get sick! Where was the anger?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

wrote in message
om>...


>
>Other imports barred by China included frozen chicken feet from
>Sanderson Farms, Inc. tainted with residue of an anti-parasite drug,
>as well as frozen pork ribs from Cargill Meat Solutions Corp.
>containing a leanness-enhancing feed additive, the AQSIQ said.
>

damn I just had ribs for dinner last nigt

-----Original Message-----
From: marika >
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley
Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: it's not a claims


>more shows about abuot parasites please!
>
>mk5000
>
>"It was a Selminth parasite. Its teeth inject an anesthetic, making
>the host oblivious to its presence. You'd never know you had it on
>you. Pumps neurotoxins into the body causing paralysis,
>hallucinations, fever dreams."--from Angel
>
>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:12:17 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-07-14, Bert Hyman > wrote:
>
>> No kidding?
>>
>> That's why you're supposed to cook it before eating it.
>
>Bull! US producers need to clean up their act, too.
>
absolutely!


--

Death is Nature's way of saying "slow down".
<unknown>

And then there's this -

http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/235158



--

Advertising is the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it.

....Stephen Leacock

marika > wrote
> Alvin E. Toda wrote
>> notbob wrote

>> Perhaps the Chinese might also find some mad cow disease in
>> American Beef. That would be the death of the US beef industry.

Nope.

> The Chinese delegation visited the White House only just a few months
> ago, May or June I forget

> Anyway, Bush was interviewed right after the visit concluded and said
> that he was trying to encourage the Chiinese to buy more of it

> I believe the quote was something like: they should buy more Texas
> Beef, it's good for them they'll like it

> The reason why he is flogging Texas beef in particular is so obvious

> but my point here is, if the Chinese did claim BSE,
> it would shut down the world not just the US.

Have fun explaining why that didnt happen with england.

> Prion disease has no known cure, not even close.

You dont need a cure, just get it out of the food supply.

> It wouldn't be a good idea if the Chinese claimed this because it
> would be too hard to distinguish between the US source and any other.

Have fun explaining why it wasnt that hard with england.

> Do you remember a few years ago and they couldn't
> even tell whether the source was Canada or the US.

They world has moved on since then and its much easier to do that now.

> Too much is traded bought and sold worldwide for this to be a profitable revenge.

Fantasy with china.

> And then there's that Texas thing, If the Chinese were
> to insult US beef, it would go directly to texas, because
> that is what Bush was trying to get them to buy.

Bush is completely irrelevant.

> And that would be political anathema.

How odd that the chinese didnt give a damn about that in the past.

> Unless of course it was utterly true, in which case, good god
> get that stuff out of the market. I don't think it is true though.

> In the meantime, what I find more worrisome is the evidence that more
> and more deer are getting a prion disease called Wasting disease.
> That's very scary too

Nope, its no big deal to not eat them anymore.


>>> here's some more stuff that is useful in understanding "The Life of Pi"

Nope. That article misses the point completely about what
has worked fine with previous problems with mad cow.

Alvin E. Toda wrote in message ...
>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, notbob wrote:
>
>Perhaps the Chinese might also find some mad cow
>disease in American Beef. That would be the death of
>the US beef industry.

The Chinese delegation visited the White House only just a few months ago,
May or June I forget

Anyway, Bush was interviewed right after the visit concluded and said that
he was trying to encourage the Chiinese to buy more of it

I believe the quote was something like: they should buy more Texas Beef,
it's good for them they'll like it

The reason why he is flogging Texas beef in particular is so obvious

but my point here is, if the Chinese did claim BSE, it would shut down the
world not just the US.

Prion disease has no known cure, not even close.
It wouldn't be a good idea if the Chinese claimed this because it would be
too hard to distinguish between the US source and any other. Do you
remember a few years ago and they couldn't even tell whether the source was
Canada or the US. Too much is traded bought and sold worldwide for this to
be a profitable revenge.
And then there's that Texas thing, If the Chinese were to insult US beef,
it would go directly to texas, because that is what Bush was trying to get
them to buy. And that would be political anathema. Unless of course it
was utterly true, in which case, good god get that stuff out of the market.
I don't think it is true though.

In the meantime, what I find more worrisome is the evidence that more and
more deer are getting a prion disease called Wasting disease. That's very
scary too




-----Original Message-----
From: marika >
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.improvisation,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: the creature walks the ghosts


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marika >
>Newsgroups:
>alt.politics.africa,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley,alt.politics.anti-kook
i
>ng,alt.music.alternative.female,alt.music.anita-meijer
>Date: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:47 PM
>Subject: the sushi and happy child
>
>
>>here's some more stuff that is useful in understanding "The Life of Pi"
>>
>>read this first
>>
>>http://www.webonautics.com/mythology/shiva.html
>>
>>then this
>>
>>http://www.luckymojo.com/hindumedals.html
>>
>>The medal to the right depicts Durga, an ancient warrior-protector
>>goddess who in modern times is often equated with the goddess Kali.
>>Actually, the worship of Durga shows traces of her once having been a
>>grain goddess and patroness of married life. (For example, in many
>>villages, her effigies are placed on mounds of clay into which five
>>types of grain have been pressed and embedded.) In any case, Durga is
>>a multi-armed Dravidian (pre-Aryan) goddess, and there are many
>>contradictory popular accounts of her origin and exploits. This medal
>>shows one of her most famed feats, the killing of the man-monster
>>Mahisha, who took the form of a bull and attacked the gods. Durga,
>>riding her lion (alternatively, her tiger) -- here reduced to
>>house-cat size -- and carrying the weapons of all the gods (the
>>discus, noose, arrows, goad, and so forth) eventually cut the head off
>>the demon with her kartri and then stabbed him to death with a spear,
>>sometimes, as here, shown to he identical with the trident or trisula
>>of the god Siva, her husband and consort. This medal is about 1 1/2
>>inches high, cast in brass, with a hanging loop at the top.
>>
>>http://www.mythsearch.com/africa.html
>>Folklore About Hyenas
>>European and African folklore about the hyena. Mentions that the
>>spotted hyena is to Africa what the black cat is in the U.S. -- the
>>premier witch animal, uncanny and terrifying.
>>
>>http://mail.google.com/mail/?auth=DQ...EGkLkSs8iNnzKe
8
>T
>>CCmk1mskiCfiz5kWr-5zhVVKisJHf31SXkeL5FKtza48bTp-XBbGrqMFhp7QPFluE8eIte6q4E
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>R
>>5GptY7o6AxjfYqbaZboYuUQb99Kauhja-BXrtSrvr0DCwLpyjG81u6mrzZDtDwaw
>>The Old Woman And The Hyena
>>
>>
>>The men of the village were chasing a hyena that had eaten one of the
>>villager's lambs.
>>
>>As the hyena (Linani) was running from these men with rungus, spears,
>>bows, and arrows, saw an open old woman's house. He ran into the house
>>and pleaded with her: «Hide me under your bed.» He cried, «There are
>>men who want to kill me!» When the men from the village reached the
>>old woman's house they asked her, «Have you seen any hyena coming this
>>way? She answered, «No». In haste the village men ran on.
>>
>>Once the men had gone, the hyena came out from under the bed, caught
>>the old woman, killed and ate her.
>>
>>
>>
>>This narrative was performed by a Protestant church minister as an
>>introduction to his sermon on sin. Used at this point, the narrative
>>set the congregation's mind focused on the topic of the sermon.
>>
>>This is a good example of a short but precise story. It is action
>>packed and has the ability to hook one from beginning to end. No
>>wonder the minister used it at the point that he did. It is very
>>relevant to the message in the sermon, as it reveals the consequences
>>that the woman had to face as a result of hiding the hyena who
>>symbolises sin. The hyena is destructive, as is shown in this story,
>>in which it consumed the woman who had shielded it from death. In the
>>same way sin, the minister explained, consumes all those Christians
>>who hide it. The minister likened the hunters to the church ministers
>>who are always pursuing and fighting sin and stressed that the
>>Christians who do not share their problems, especially with those
>>ministers, would be consumed just as the woman had
>>Content: 4, a little brief but has a book to refer t
>>
>>http://mail.google.com/mail/?auth=DQ...EGkLkSs8iNnzKe
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>>CCmk1mskiCfiz5kWr-5zhVVKisJHf31SXkeL5FKtza48bTp-XBbGrqMFhp7QPFluE8eIte6q4E
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>R
>>5GptY7o6AxjfYqbaZboYuUQb99Kauhja-BXrtSrvr0DCwLpyjG81u6mrzZDtDwaw
>>
>>
>>In some cases the myths speak of a test which God put to the original
>>people. They failed. So the misfortunes of death and suffering, of
>>God's separation from men came about. Other myths explain that this
>>occurred as a result of jealousies and quarrels within human families.
>>Still in other myths, the cause originated from animals, like the
>>hyena which, being (always) hungry sought and ate the leather rope
>>that had united heaven (sky) and earth (8).
>>
>>the next line says it's all women's fault. the orangutan is a woman,
>>
>>the primate is certainly the cause of much dispute as being our ancestors
>>
>>
>>marika wrote in message ...
>>>More on "The Life of PI"
>>>
>>>Very interesting, but what does it mean?
>>>
>>>Lets see--if I can condense all of this, to a word equation.
>>>
>>>Assume the hyena (have never heard one good things about that
>>>creature--especially in the story) simply represents evil (the devil).
>>>
>>>The Tiger certainly belongs to the Hindu, it seems,
>>>
>>>I still think the Orangutan would be Christianity - just fits.
>>>
>>>That would make the Zebra (didn't even talk about that)--Muslim. --don't
>>>see anything there.
>>>
>>>So how about:
>>>
>>>The Hyena represents evil-- just does.
>>>
>>>The Orangutan--motherhood, nurturing themes--woman themes.
>>>
>>>The Zebra weakness, compromise (compromised) ((suffering greatly-eaten
by
>>>EVIL)The Tiger--STRENGTH! (So strong doesn't need or connect to
>>>anything--controlled the boat--(for a while)it walked away without even a
>>>thought of good-bye). (Male themes?)
>>>
>>>PI-ENDURANCE, INTELLECT,SPIRITUALLY, COURAGE, INFINITY,
INFINITE.PATIENCE.
>>>GOD TRIUMPH over Strength. Triumph over all. What we should strive to
>be.
>>>
>>>When it comes down to it--the book is about religion, not a life boat.
>>>
>>>
>>>marika wrote in message >...
>>>>i have a concern i want to make about this book club
>>>>
>>>>i have a plausible explanation for why more people didn't sign up for
>this
>>>>session regarding "The Family Who Couldn't Sleep" by Mix
>>>>
>>>>the librarian has eaten all the former members
>>>>
>>>>it did not escape my notice that for a second time, she assigned a
>>>>book that has an important theme, the topic of cannibalism
>>>>
>>>>I am concerned about the real motives of the Queen St Library
>>>>
>>>>In the meantime, back to "The Life of PI", the other book that dealt
with
>>>>cannibalism
>>>>
>>>>i don't think there's any one right or wrong to the interpretations,
>>>>there are probably many more, there's duality in the symbols, and
>>>>possibility triality if i can make up a word
>>>>
>>>>think for instance that the three key animals are not unlike 3 in the
>>>>trinity as well as magic number 3 in other cultures and societies
>>>>
>>>>those 3 animals were not unlike the number of clerics who accosted the
>>>>boy on the road when he said i just want to pray
>>>>
>>>>or PREY???
>>>>
>>>>why a zebra for a muslim as opposed to a single color animal
>>>>
>>>>i agree that tiger is strength, but more than that also power, which
>>>>he could have wielded at any time by killing our young man
>>>>
>>>>but is dominated by the chief hindu god
>>>>
>>>>which here would be pi himself, who here sits as the god
>>>>
>>>>i cracked up when the japanese guys started drawing analogies from
>>>>animals in the story to the humans that may or may not have been on the
>>>>lifeboat
>>>>
>>>>when he said, o, pi was the tiger
>>>>
>>>>how dumb was that
>>>>
>>>>pi was pi
>>>>
>>>>if he was anyone other than pi, he was shiva
>>>>
>>>>and piscine to the extent that christ is associated with fish
>>>>
>>>>and certainly piscine called by the nickname of a mathematical symbol
>>>>that thus far is the very representation of infinity -- entirely
>>>>spiritual in its connection to the eternal and afterlife
>>>>
>>>>also where is the reincarnation mythology in this book, reincarnation
>>>>is infinite, and christ reincarnates himself infinitely at each
>>>>service in the eucharist
>>>>
>>>>and we eat of the body -- good golly we are supposed to cannibalize
>>>>jesus all the time in the eucharist
>>>>
>>>>if i had ever taken a comparative religions course i could probably
>>>>do more with this stuff but i have never studied religion at all
>>>>
>>>>of course, i agree it was about religion, but i was pretty
>>>>sure this was going to 2006's Jonathan Livingston Seagull anyway, the
>>>>second the writer referenced all the little iconography on Pi's desk
>>>>right at the start
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mk5000
>>>>
>>>>"And as for the commercial value of poetry, a favourite strip cartoon of
>>>>mine shows two guys who have just met -
>>>>A: What do you do?
>>>>B: I'm a poet.
>>>>A: Yes, but what do you do for a living?"--paul hansford
>>>>
>>>>marika wrote in message ...
>>>>>as an aside, Le Refuge has innumerable venison choices, none of which I
>>>>>tried.
>>>>>
>>>>>As noted, I had just recently come from a book club meetiong, where the
>>>>>author Mix spoke about
>>>>>his book "The family who couldn't sleep"
>>>>>
>>>>>The topic as I said is prion disease, including genetic and acquired,
>>such
>>>>>as mad cow also known as bovine spongiform encephelopathic disease
>>>>>
>>>>>Towards the end of the book and the lecture, he talke about the new
>>>version
>>>>>of this disease attacking deer and elk
>>>>>called "chronic wasting disease"
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems the highest concentration of this is actually in and around
>>>>>Colorado, Utah etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if you go to those states, please don't eat venison, please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Without doubt, I didn't eat any while I was at La Refuge
>>>>>
>>>>>mk5000
>>>>>
>>>>> "It's a sign of good sushi if you can't get what you want
>>>>>sometimes," --"The Zen of Sushi" Trevor Corson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>marika wrote in message ...
>>marika z bought a pie for Mary G when she first met her
>>
>>Mary being the good hostess, invited us to eat Pie
>>
>>and I said in soviet sailboat, Pi eats you
>>
>>mk5000
>>
>>"The extra costs they generate help to
>>redistribute the wealth and keep the economy going. Further, they add to
>our
>>body of knowledge, because we are forced to analyze the consequences of
>>their contributions. "--Andre' Marcel Emil Nel
>>
>>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: marika >
Newsgroups: alt.comedy.improvisation,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: the creature walks the ghosts


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marika >
>Newsgroups:
>alt.politics.africa,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley,alt.politics.anti-kook
i
>ng,alt.music.alternative.female,alt.music.anita-meijer
>Date: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:47 PM
>Subject: the sushi and happy child
>
>
>>here's some more stuff that is useful in understanding "The Life of Pi"
>>
>>read this first
>>
>>http://www.webonautics.com/mythology/shiva.html
>>
>>then this
>>
>>http://www.luckymojo.com/hindumedals.html
>>
>>The medal to the right depicts Durga, an ancient warrior-protector
>>goddess who in modern times is often equated with the goddess Kali.
>>Actually, the worship of Durga shows traces of her once having been a
>>grain goddess and patroness of married life. (For example, in many
>>villages, her effigies are placed on mounds of clay into which five
>>types of grain have been pressed and embedded.) In any case, Durga is
>>a multi-armed Dravidian (pre-Aryan) goddess, and there are many
>>contradictory popular accounts of her origin and exploits. This medal
>>shows one of her most famed feats, the killing of the man-monster
>>Mahisha, who took the form of a bull and attacked the gods. Durga,
>>riding her lion (alternatively, her tiger) -- here reduced to
>>house-cat size -- and carrying the weapons of all the gods (the
>>discus, noose, arrows, goad, and so forth) eventually cut the head off
>>the demon with her kartri and then stabbed him to death with a spear,
>>sometimes, as here, shown to he identical with the trident or trisula
>>of the god Siva, her husband and consort. This medal is about 1 1/2
>>inches high, cast in brass, with a hanging loop at the top.
>>
>>http://www.mythsearch.com/africa.html
>>Folklore About Hyenas
>>European and African folklore about the hyena. Mentions that the
>>spotted hyena is to Africa what the black cat is in the U.S. -- the
>>premier witch animal, uncanny and terrifying.
>>
>>http://mail.google.com/mail/?auth=DQ...EGkLkSs8iNnzKe
8
>T
>>CCmk1mskiCfiz5kWr-5zhVVKisJHf31SXkeL5FKtza48bTp-XBbGrqMFhp7QPFluE8eIte6q4E
i
>R
>>5GptY7o6AxjfYqbaZboYuUQb99Kauhja-BXrtSrvr0DCwLpyjG81u6mrzZDtDwaw
>>The Old Woman And The Hyena
>>
>>
>>The men of the village were chasing a hyena that had eaten one of the
>>villager's lambs.
>>
>>As the hyena (Linani) was running from these men with rungus, spears,
>>bows, and arrows, saw an open old woman's house. He ran into the house
>>and pleaded with her: «Hide me under your bed.» He cried, «There are
>>men who want to kill me!» When the men from the village reached the
>>old woman's house they asked her, «Have you seen any hyena coming this
>>way? She answered, «No». In haste the village men ran on.
>>
>>Once the men had gone, the hyena came out from under the bed, caught
>>the old woman, killed and ate her.
>>
>>
>>
>>This narrative was performed by a Protestant church minister as an
>>introduction to his sermon on sin. Used at this point, the narrative
>>set the congregation's mind focused on the topic of the sermon.
>>
>>This is a good example of a short but precise story. It is action
>>packed and has the ability to hook one from beginning to end. No
>>wonder the minister used it at the point that he did. It is very
>>relevant to the message in the sermon, as it reveals the consequences
>>that the woman had to face as a result of hiding the hyena who
>>symbolises sin. The hyena is destructive, as is shown in this story,
>>in which it consumed the woman who had shielded it from death. In the
>>same way sin, the minister explained, consumes all those Christians
>>who hide it. The minister likened the hunters to the church ministers
>>who are always pursuing and fighting sin and stressed that the
>>Christians who do not share their problems, especially with those
>>ministers, would be consumed just as the woman had
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>>In some cases the myths speak of a test which God put to the original
>>people. They failed. So the misfortunes of death and suffering, of
>>God's separation from men came about. Other myths explain that this
>>occurred as a result of jealousies and quarrels within human families.
>>Still in other myths, the cause originated from animals, like the
>>hyena which, being (always) hungry sought and ate the leather rope
>>that had united heaven (sky) and earth (8).
>>
>>the next line says it's all women's fault. the orangutan is a woman,
>>
>>the primate is certainly the cause of much dispute as being our ancestors
>>
>>
>>marika wrote in message ...
>>>More on "The Life of PI"
>>>
>>>Very interesting, but what does it mean?
>>>
>>>Lets see--if I can condense all of this, to a word equation.
>>>
>>>Assume the hyena (have never heard one good things about that
>>>creature--especially in the story) simply represents evil (the devil).
>>>
>>>The Tiger certainly belongs to the Hindu, it seems,
>>>
>>>I still think the Orangutan would be Christianity - just fits.
>>>
>>>That would make the Zebra (didn't even talk about that)--Muslim. --don't
>>>see anything there.
>>>
>>>So how about:
>>>
>>>The Hyena represents evil-- just does.
>>>
>>>The Orangutan--motherhood, nurturing themes--woman themes.
>>>
>>>The Zebra weakness, compromise (compromised) ((suffering greatly-eaten
by
>>>EVIL)The Tiger--STRENGTH! (So strong doesn't need or connect to
>>>anything--controlled the boat--(for a while)it walked away without even a
>>>thought of good-bye). (Male themes?)
>>>
>>>PI-ENDURANCE, INTELLECT,SPIRITUALLY, COURAGE, INFINITY,
INFINITE.PATIENCE.
>>>GOD TRIUMPH over Strength. Triumph over all. What we should strive to
>be.
>>>
>>>When it comes down to it--the book is about religion, not a life boat.
>>>
>>>
>>>marika wrote in message >...
>>>>i have a concern i want to make about this book club
>>>>
>>>>i have a plausible explanation for why more people didn't sign up for
>this
>>>>session regarding "The Family Who Couldn't Sleep" by Mix
>>>>
>>>>the librarian has eaten all the former members
>>>>
>>>>it did not escape my notice that for a second time, she assigned a
>>>>book that has an important theme, the topic of cannibalism
>>>>
>>>>I am concerned about the real motives of the Queen St Library
>>>>
>>>>In the meantime, back to "The Life of PI", the other book that dealt
with
>>>>cannibalism
>>>>
>>>>i don't think there's any one right or wrong to the interpretations,
>>>>there are probably many more, there's duality in the symbols, and
>>>>possibility triality if i can make up a word
>>>>
>>>>think for instance that the three key animals are not unlike 3 in the
>>>>trinity as well as magic number 3 in other cultures and societies
>>>>
>>>>those 3 animals were not unlike the number of clerics who accosted the
>>>>boy on the road when he said i just want to pray
>>>>
>>>>or PREY???
>>>>
>>>>why a zebra for a muslim as opposed to a single color animal
>>>>
>>>>i agree that tiger is strength, but more than that also power, which
>>>>he could have wielded at any time by killing our young man
>>>>
>>>>but is dominated by the chief hindu god
>>>>
>>>>which here would be pi himself, who here sits as the god
>>>>
>>>>i cracked up when the japanese guys started drawing analogies from
>>>>animals in the story to the humans that may or may not have been on the
>>>>lifeboat
>>>>
>>>>when he said, o, pi was the tiger
>>>>
>>>>how dumb was that
>>>>
>>>>pi was pi
>>>>
>>>>if he was anyone other than pi, he was shiva
>>>>
>>>>and piscine to the extent that christ is associated with fish
>>>>
>>>>and certainly piscine called by the nickname of a mathematical symbol
>>>>that thus far is the very representation of infinity -- entirely
>>>>spiritual in its connection to the eternal and afterlife
>>>>
>>>>also where is the reincarnation mythology in this book, reincarnation
>>>>is infinite, and christ reincarnates himself infinitely at each
>>>>service in the eucharist
>>>>
>>>>and we eat of the body -- good golly we are supposed to cannibalize
>>>>jesus all the time in the eucharist
>>>>
>>>>if i had ever taken a comparative religions course i could probably
>>>>do more with this stuff but i have never studied religion at all
>>>>
>>>>of course, i agree it was about religion, but i was pretty
>>>>sure this was going to 2006's Jonathan Livingston Seagull anyway, the
>>>>second the writer referenced all the little iconography on Pi's desk
>>>>right at the start
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mk5000
>>>>
>>>>"And as for the commercial value of poetry, a favourite strip cartoon of
>>>>mine shows two guys who have just met -
>>>>A: What do you do?
>>>>B: I'm a poet.
>>>>A: Yes, but what do you do for a living?"--paul hansford
>>>>
>>>>marika wrote in message ...
>>>>>as an aside, Le Refuge has innumerable venison choices, none of which I
>>>>>tried.
>>>>>
>>>>>As noted, I had just recently come from a book club meetiong, where the
>>>>>author Mix spoke about
>>>>>his book "The family who couldn't sleep"
>>>>>
>>>>>The topic as I said is prion disease, including genetic and acquired,
>>such
>>>>>as mad cow also known as bovine spongiform encephelopathic disease
>>>>>
>>>>>Towards the end of the book and the lecture, he talke about the new
>>>version
>>>>>of this disease attacking deer and elk
>>>>>called "chronic wasting disease"
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems the highest concentration of this is actually in and around
>>>>>Colorado, Utah etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if you go to those states, please don't eat venison, please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Without doubt, I didn't eat any while I was at La Refuge
>>>>>
>>>>>mk5000
>>>>>
>>>>> "It's a sign of good sushi if you can't get what you want
>>>>>sometimes," --"The Zen of Sushi" Trevor Corson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>marika wrote in message ...
>>marika z bought a pie for Mary G when she first met her
>>
>>Mary being the good hostess, invited us to eat Pie
>>
>>and I said in soviet sailboat, Pi eats you
>>
>>mk5000
>>
>>"The extra costs they generate help to
>>redistribute the wealth and keep the economy going. Further, they add to
>our
>>body of knowledge, because we are forced to analyze the consequences of
>>their contributions. "--Andre' Marcel Emil Nel
>>
>>
>
>

that's odd. i just read china has contacted smithfield foods and tyson
to buy massive amounts of pork.

" YOU ARE EITHER WITH US, OR AGAINST US "

Rod Speed wrote in message >...

>>> Perhaps the Chinese might also find some mad cow disease in
>>> American Beef. That would be the death of the US beef industry.
>
>Nope.

that's beautiful

>
>> The Chinese delegation visited the White House only just a few months
>> ago, May or June I forget
>
>> Anyway, Bush was interviewed right after the visit concluded and said
>> that he was trying to encourage the Chiinese to buy more of it
>
>> I believe the quote was something like: they should buy more Texas
>> Beef, it's good for them they'll like it
>
>> The reason why he is flogging Texas beef in particular is so obvious
>
>> but my point here is, if the Chinese did claim BSE,
>> it would shut down the world not just the US.
>
>Have fun explaining why that didnt happen with england.

just beautiful

>
>> Prion disease has no known cure, not even close.
>
>You dont need a cure, just get it out of the food supply.

thanks

mk5000

"I'm gonna dance, dance all over your face, I'm gonna dance all over your
face
I'm gonna dance, dance all over your face, I'm gonna dance all over your
face
Hey baby, can you pass this quiz
Well, just put your money where your mouth is"--Kiss

marika > wrote
> Rod Speed
>> marika > wrote

>>>> Perhaps the Chinese might also find some mad cow disease in
>>>> American Beef. That would be the death of the US beef industry.

>> Nope.

> that's beautiful

That's pathetic.

>>> The Chinese delegation visited the White House only just a few
>>> months ago, May or June I forget

>>> Anyway, Bush was interviewed right after the visit concluded and
>>> said that he was trying to encourage the Chiinese to buy more of it

>>> I believe the quote was something like: they should buy more Texas
>>> Beef, it's good for them they'll like it

>>> The reason why he is flogging Texas beef in particular is so obvious

>>> but my point here is, if the Chinese did claim BSE,
>>> it would shut down the world not just the US.

>> Have fun explaining why that didnt happen with england.

> just beautiful

Just pathetic.

>>> Prion disease has no known cure, not even close.

>> You dont need a cure, just get it out of the food supply.

> thanks

> mk5000

That's your weight, eh ?

> "I'm gonna dance, dance all over your face, I'm gonna dance all over your face
> I'm gonna dance, dance all over your face, I'm gonna dance all over your face
> Hey baby, can you pass this quiz
> Well, just put your money where your mouth is"--Kiss

Pathetic.

Bert Hyman > wrote in news:Xns996D620C2A51EVeebleFetzer@
216.250.184.7:

> In ps.com
> wrote:
>
>> Frozen poultry products from Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest
>> meat processor, were found to be contaminated with salmonella,
>
> No kidding?
>
> That's why you're supposed to cook it before eating it.


While the living organism may be killed by cooking, many pathogenic
organisms produce heat-stable toxins that remain fully toxic and deadly
after the cooking process.

The Chinese are correct in being concerned.