"blake murphy" > wrote
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059798/
>
> i like jason robards, and barry gordon as the kid was excellent.
> gene saks as t.v.'s chuckles the chipmunk is very funny. just a great
> flick.
>

Never seen it. I love Robards, though. I'll have to get it.



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"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"George" > wrote
>>>> What a great film. It is my favorite film of all time, still.
>>> Also: Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Taxi driver, Dirty Harry & Patton.
>>
>>Yes indeed. You must belong to my generation!
>>
> any fans of 'a thousand clowns'?

How about King of Hearts?!! I totally forgot that one!!



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On 2007-07-16, blake murphy > wrote:

> any fans of 'a thousand clowns'?

Not exactly life changing, but a fun movie. Lots of great lines. I
loved it the first time I watched it, but it doesn't age well. Last
time I watched it, I'm thinking this kid is 12 like I'm Greta
Garbo. According to wikipedia, Robard's character was based on Jean
Shepard, the author of A Christmas Story and one of my all time
favorite writers. I also had the hots for Barbara Harris.

nb

"George" > wrote
>> I walked out of the theatre in the first few minutes, when it was all
>> bullets slamming into meat. If you can't tell me something without
>> that, you can keep it to yourself.
>>
>>
>
> From everything I read it was a faithful portrayal of actual events
> and was necessary to tell the story.

Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
the sight and sound of that?

>
> It wasn't a make believe "reality" show where people pretend to be
> stranded somewhere with a camera crew, medics and a helicopter on hand.
>

There is a middle ground.

I don't patronize "artists" who are so artless they have to beat me over the
head with something.

I'm not part of the numb generations that need overkill in order to feel
something. I'm no pussy either. Try me.



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"George" > wrote
>>
>> I walked out of the theatre in the first few minutes, when it was all
>> bullets slamming into meat. If you can't tell me something without
>> that, you can keep it to yourself.
>>
>>
>
> From everything I read it was a faithful portrayal of actual events
> and was necessary to tell the story.
>
> It wasn't a make believe "reality" show where people pretend to be
> stranded somewhere with a camera crew, medics and a helicopter on hand.
>

Per realism in films, and what they show in detail rather than what they
imply or show in less detail: I thought this story was interesting and on of
the few good signs I have seen about our society in a while.

http://tinyurl.com/234sj2



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blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:10:10 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> > wrote:
>
>>East of Eden, Grapes of Wrath, sometimes its difficult to think a comedy
>>can be profound but Mel Brooks "to be or not to be" is one of my
>>favourite films and is a comedic re make of a "true story" that was
>>originally done as a drama. Not exactly "Schindlers List" but a close
>>second.
>
>
> huh? mel's 'to be or not to be' was a remake of an ernst lubitsch
> movie of the same name starring jack benny, which was unquestionably
> great. i refused to see mel's because i was sure he'd make a hash of
> it. if you ever have a chance to the original, do it.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I guess your right, after googling some info on it i see it is a comedy,
in my memories it is a drama, and the mel brooks version a comedy, i
was thinking maybe there was another version but i guess i was wrong.
--
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blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>"George" > wrote
>>
>>>>What a great film. It is my favorite film of all time, still.
>>>
>>>Also: Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Taxi driver, Dirty Harry & Patton.
>>
>>Yes indeed. You must belong to my generation!
>>
>
> any fans of 'a thousand clowns'?

I can remember seeing it as a kid but i thought it was a very sad and
depressing film.
--
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>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059798/
>
> i like jason robards, and barry gordon as the kid was excellent.
> gene saks as t.v.'s chuckles the chipmunk is very funny. just a great
> flick.
>
> your pal,
> blake

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:19:25 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>I guess your right, after googling some info on it i see it is a comedy,
> in my memories it is a drama, and the mel brooks version a comedy, i
>was thinking maybe there was another version but i guess i was wrong.


Were you thinking of Shakespeare's Hamlet?
http://www.artofeurope.com/shakespeare/sha8.htm


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sf wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:19:25 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I guess your right, after googling some info on it i see it is a comedy,
>> in my memories it is a drama, and the mel brooks version a comedy, i
>>was thinking maybe there was another version but i guess i was wrong.
>
>
>
> Were you thinking of Shakespeare's Hamlet?
> http://www.artofeurope.com/shakespeare/sha8.htm
>
>
No Alex Korda produced & Ernst Lubitsch directed what i remember as a
very dark, intense & serious black & white drama about the nazi invasion
of Poland called "To Be Or Not to Be" in the early 40's but according to
what i found about it on the net its a comedy with Jack Benny?

Later remade, and that hilariously, if anything about the nazi' can be,
by Mel Brooks with the same title, "To Be Or Not To Be."

There is a scene in the Mel Brooks version where the actors and theatre
company the film is centred about perform on stage in Warsaw a political
satire of hilter with Brooks playing hitler....in his chancellery office
complaining about wanting peace, how nobody understands him, everybody's
against him and all he wants is peace, all he wants is peace!!!... a
piece of this and a piece of that, a piece of Russia and Rumania and a
piece of Poland a smidgen of Spain, a soupacon of Switzerland and France
& etc. etc.

There is a Mel Brooks hitler Rap on You Tube as well as scenes from his
earlier "Springtime for hitler".

Oh and this is cute, the opening scenes of "To Be Or Not To Be" with Mel
and his wife Ann Bancroft performing Sweet Georgia Brown" in Polish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgv1xk5bqdg
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:15:21 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>There is a Mel Brooks hitler Rap on You Tube as well as scenes from his
>earlier "Springtime for hitler".

I remember Springtime for Hitler... it was funny!



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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:46:07 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-07-16, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> any fans of 'a thousand clowns'?
>
>Not exactly life changing, but a fun movie. Lots of great lines. I
>loved it the first time I watched it, but it doesn't age well. Last
>time I watched it, I'm thinking this kid is 12 like I'm Greta
>Garbo. According to wikipedia, Robard's character was based on Jean
>Shepard, the author of A Christmas Story and one of my all time
>favorite writers. I also had the hots for Barbara Harris.
>
>nb

murray did call him a 'middle-aged kid.'

i guess the message is being a kook can be fun but has its drawbacks,
watch what's going on around you, and know when you're selling out.
not bad.

plus, i love martin balsam. sometimes it seems like he's in
everything.

i hadn't heard of the jean shepherd angle. i love him, too. i can
understand that he was not entirely pleased.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:21:49 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"George" > wrote
>>>
>>>>>What a great film. It is my favorite film of all time, still.
>>>>
>>>>Also: Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Taxi driver, Dirty Harry & Patton.
>>>
>>>Yes indeed. You must belong to my generation!
>>>
>>
>> any fans of 'a thousand clowns'?
>
>I can remember seeing it as a kid but i thought it was a very sad and
>depressing film.

the ending was depressing, yes.

your pal,
blake

On 2007-07-17, blake murphy > wrote:


> i hadn't heard of the jean shepherd angle. i love him, too. i can
> understand that he was not entirely pleased.

I can't say I do. Let's face it, Jean was a bit like Murray in that
he was an astute, if cynical, observer of the human condition, yet
still able to find endless humor in it. Here's a piece he did for Mad
Magazine half a century ago which is still dead on target:

http://www.flicklives.com/Magazines/Mad/mad.htm

This silliness is still rampant, today. Starbucks doesn't have
sml/med/lrg, it's tall/grande/venti. WTH is a venti? Whatever it is,
I've heard of starbies actually insisting on proper use of the terms.
My ISP is way beyond "associate". Its phone flunkies are Customer
Account Executives! Creeping Meatballism is alive and well.

Maybe JS didn't like being portrayed as unemployed, though I can't
imagine that as he was an freelance writer who hawked his stuff to
everyone. I first read his short stories in Playboy (yeah, I DID read
the articles! ...too

nb

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:44:18 -0400, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
>human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
>the sight and sound of that?
>
And yet, the soldiers in those LSTs had to endure
that hell-trip to the beach.... however long it took.

If you felt any emathy with them at all,
then the opening scenes did their job.


<rj>

cybercat wrote:
> "George" > wrote
>>> I walked out of the theatre in the first few minutes, when it was all
>>> bullets slamming into meat. If you can't tell me something without
>>> that, you can keep it to yourself.
>>>
>>>
>> From everything I read it was a faithful portrayal of actual events
>> and was necessary to tell the story.
>
> Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
> human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
> the sight and sound of that?

Considering the duration of the actual landing I would say the movie
only offers a "tease" of what it was like to be there.


>
>> It wasn't a make believe "reality" show where people pretend to be
>> stranded somewhere with a camera crew, medics and a helicopter on hand.
>>
>
> There is a middle ground.
>
> I don't patronize "artists" who are so artless they have to beat me over the
> head with something.
>
> I'm not part of the numb generations that need overkill in order to feel
> something. I'm no pussy either. Try me.
>
>
>

"George" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>> "George" > wrote
>>>> I walked out of the theatre in the first few minutes, when it was all
>>>> bullets slamming into meat. If you can't tell me something without
>>>> that, you can keep it to yourself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> From everything I read it was a faithful portrayal of actual events
>>> and was necessary to tell the story.
>>
>> Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
>> human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
>> the sight and sound of that?
>
> Considering the duration of the actual landing I would say the movie only
> offers a "tease" of what it was like to be there.
>

That was not my point, but Okay. My father was a marine in the Pacific
Theater, and I am sure you are right.

I still don't need or appreciate movies that bludgeon me instead of just
conveying a point or portraying a scene without overkill. Life is too
short.



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"<RJ>" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:44:18 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>>
>>Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
>>human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
>>the sight and sound of that?
>>
> And yet, the soldiers in those LSTs had to endure
> that hell-trip to the beach.... however long it took.
>
> If you felt any emathy with them at all,
> then the opening scenes did their job.
>

Sigh. I go to the movies for entertainment. And I have an imagination.
It was overkill, it lacked artistry.

I suppose you enjoy watching long torture sequences when a film
happens to include torture.

I don't. I'm just not that numb, or dumb, or unimaginative.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:45:37 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>>
>> huh? mel's 'to be or not to be' was a remake of an ernst lubitsch
>> movie of the same name starring jack benny, which was unquestionably
>> great. i refused to see mel's because i was sure he'd make a hash of
>> it. if you ever have a chance to the original, do it.
>>
>
>You have many hats.
>
> your stalker, cybercat

i'm a renaissance dude.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:19:53 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059798/
>>
>> i like jason robards, and barry gordon as the kid was excellent.
>> gene saks as t.v.'s chuckles the chipmunk is very funny. just a great
>> flick.
>>
>
>Never seen it. I love Robards, though. I'll have to get it.

you won't be sorry. seriously, i think it will appeal to you.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:20:44 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"George" > wrote
>>>>> What a great film. It is my favorite film of all time, still.
>>>> Also: Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Taxi driver, Dirty Harry & Patton.
>>>
>>>Yes indeed. You must belong to my generation!
>>>
>> any fans of 'a thousand clowns'?
>
>How about King of Hearts?!! I totally forgot that one!!

that was shown on my p.b.s. station not long ago. i looked forward to
seeing it, as i saw it many years ago at a midnight show, having fully
prepared myself (i'm sure you know what i mean). frankly, it was
pretty boring. i think i bailed after about twenty minutes or so.

of course, there's a hunk factor there that does more for gurls than
for me.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:03:11 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-07-17, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>
>> i hadn't heard of the jean shepherd angle. i love him, too. i can
>> understand that he was not entirely pleased.
>
>I can't say I do. Let's face it, Jean was a bit like Murray in that
>he was an astute, if cynical, observer of the human condition, yet
>still able to find endless humor in it. Here's a piece he did for Mad
>Magazine half a century ago which is still dead on target:
>
>http://www.flicklives.com/Magazines/Mad/mad.htm
>
>This silliness is still rampant, today. Starbucks doesn't have
>sml/med/lrg, it's tall/grande/venti. WTH is a venti? Whatever it is,
>I've heard of starbies actually insisting on proper use of the terms.
>My ISP is way beyond "associate". Its phone flunkies are Customer
>Account Executives! Creeping Meatballism is alive and well.
>
>Maybe JS didn't like being portrayed as unemployed, though I can't
>imagine that as he was an freelance writer who hawked his stuff to
>everyone. I first read his short stories in Playboy (yeah, I DID read
>the articles! ...too
>
>nb

some years ago, the p.b.s. radio station rebroadcast some of his work
on w.o.r. radio. that was where shepherd's genius really lay. he'd
go off on these wild-ass tangents, and seemingly hours later he would
circle back to his starting point, and you'd go, 'oh, yeah, that's
what he was talking about...'

and of course, 'a christmas story' is the only seasonal movie even
worth talking about, but then i thought potterville was a much better
place than bedford falls.

shepherd was one of a kind.

your pal,
blake

On 2007-07-18, blake murphy > wrote:

> and of course, 'a christmas story' is the only seasonal movie even
> worth talking about, but then i thought potterville was a much better
> place than bedford falls.

Absolutely. He did a whole series of short stories about his
childhood that were first published in Playboy. He later compiled
them in 2 books, In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash and Wanda
Hickey's Night of Golden Memories and Other Disasters. The stories
are all as hilarious as Christmas Story. Check your local library. I
read one, again, just last year.

A few other tidbits: There was a couple other JS movies from the
above stories. One was Ollie Hopnoodle's Haven of Bliss, a rather lame
and totally forgetable effort. I'm still looking for a copy of
The Great American Fourth of July and Other Disasters, the GAFJ story
being one of my favorites. Also, that was Jean doing the narration on
Xmas Story, the reason it sounded so affectionately sincere.

nb

nb

cybercat wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>cybercat wrote:
>>
>>>"George" > wrote
>>>
>>>>>I walked out of the theatre in the first few minutes, when it was all
>>>>>bullets slamming into meat. If you can't tell me something without
>>>>>that, you can keep it to yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From everything I read it was a faithful portrayal of actual events
>>>>and was necessary to tell the story.
>>>
>>>Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
>>>human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
>>>the sight and sound of that?
>>
>>Considering the duration of the actual landing I would say the movie only
>>offers a "tease" of what it was like to be there.
>>
>
>
> That was not my point, but Okay. My father was a marine in the Pacific
> Theater, and I am sure you are right.
>
> I still don't need or appreciate movies that bludgeon me instead of just
> conveying a point or portraying a scene without overkill. Life is too
> short.
>
>
>
I feel there is enough drama and tragedy in "real life" i don't need to
watch it for entertainment, don't even get me started on "reality t.v."
and hells kitchen? well...i guess i am lucky in that i have never had a
job with a boss like that, though i did go through military "boot camp"
which is what the do called chief Ramsy reminds me of, a Marine DI
rather than a cook.

I worked as a bartender once, and the owner of the bar started talking
to me like that and i threw my bar rag on the table and walked out after
telling him exactly how he could and could not speak to me. I would
take a lot more from a customer than i would from a boss.

Some of the few dramatic films i have seen recently that i actually
enjoyed are the Kenneth Brannaugh (sp?) interpretations of Shakespeare's
plays. I especially enjoyed the naked rugby scenes in his early Edward II.
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"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote
>> I still don't need or appreciate movies that bludgeon me instead of just
>> conveying a point or portraying a scene without overkill. Life is too
>> short.
> I feel there is enough drama and tragedy in "real life" i don't need to
> watch it for entertainment

Yes. And events can be conveyed without this explicit overkill.

[...]> Some of the few dramatic films i have seen recently that i actually
> enjoyed are the Kenneth Brannaugh (sp?) interpretations of Shakespeare's
> plays. I especially enjoyed the naked rugby scenes in his early Edward
> II.
> --

Ooo! Naked rugby!

cybercat wrote:

> Ooo! Naked rugby!

They say rugby is a game played by men with funny shaped balls.


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cybercat wrote:

>
> Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
> human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
> the sight and sound of that?

I don't think that it hurts to make it appear more realistic. I was raised
on a diet of westerns and combat movies where those who were shot got up
and fell over, often over the side of a hill or a fort. It was all too
clean. Violence is messy and I think we do a disservice to the victims and
to ourselves if we try to delude ourselves into thinking that killing is
not a dirty, grisly business. Maybe a touch of reality is what people need
to understand what is really involved.


Our entertainment technology has improved a lot. We have better make-up,
better special effects and better sound systems. Just think what it would
be like if we had Smellovision. How different it would be in Saving Private
Ryan if you could not only hear the explosions and see limbs blown off, but
if you could smell the burning flesh of the guys who got incinerating in
those gun emplacements. WW I flics like All Quiet on the Western Front
could incorporate the reek of the rotting corpses the barbed wire a few
yards away. But I guess the theatre staff would have to mop up all the
puke.

We do no one any favours by making the maiming and killing of humans look
glamorous.

"Dave Smith" > wrote
>
> We do no one any favours by making the maiming and killing of humans look
> glamorous.

Again, not the point and the other end spectrum. An extreme.

The art of film making is not simply to recreate something as
realistically as possible. There's a middle ground.

The horror of warfare is not lost on many of us even if we
do not hear and see the bullets slamming into the flesh.

You convey a reality and tell a story. That's art.

Some folks are numbed out as to the horror of violence,
largely pimply suburban ****heads who do not see children
blown away before their eyes in their own neighborhoods.

Perhaps SPR missed its calling and should be used as therapy
for said ****heads.

On 2007-07-18, Dave Smith > wrote:

> clean. Violence is messy and I think we do a disservice to the victims and
> to ourselves if we try to delude ourselves into thinking that killing is
> not a dirty, grisly business. Maybe a touch of reality is what people need
> to understand what is really involved.

Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
and the sacrifice they made. The horror of coming off those boats
....if one made it off!... and seeing buddies dropping like flies and
ripped to shreds while desperately seeking any sanctuary and there
being none, nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no escaping the rain of
death befalling all from every quarter of Omaha Beach, needs to be
conveyed to those who are use to the sanitized 6 o'clock news. Those
German machine guns were real and spewed real death and those boys
experienced a horror I can't even imagine. I choke up every time I
see that opening scene and I thank God I didn't have to experience it
and thank Stephen Spielberg for helping me realize just how terrifying
an experience those boys had to endure.

I think everyone should be forced to watch that opening scene at least
once a year as a condition of citizenship. I'm stunned none of the
networks have aired it on Memorial Day for the last two years. Maybe
if more people had a better appreciation of what war is really like
there might not have been such a wave of support to send our boys off
to Iraq. Those poor guys are still living that very nightmare. Bring
'em home, I say. This war is nothing but a pork barrel for a raving
maniac's cronies.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
news
> On 2007-07-18, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> clean. Violence is messy and I think we do a disservice to the victims
>> and
>> to ourselves if we try to delude ourselves into thinking that killing is
>> not a dirty, grisly business. Maybe a touch of reality is what people
>> need
>> to understand what is really involved.
>
> Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
> of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
> and the sacrifice they made.

If so, it was misguided. Many of us can fully appreciate it without the
grossout tactics. Some of us have functioning minds and imaginations.

On 2007-07-18, cybercat > wrote:

> If so......

I wasn't replying to you and you have nothing to say I want to hear.
An arrangement I find satisfactory. Let's keep it that way.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2007-07-18, cybercat > wrote:
>
>> If so it was misguided. Many of us can fully appreciate it without the
>> grossout tactics. Some of us have functioning minds and imaginations.


>
> I wasn't replying to you and you have nothing to say I >want to hear.

Mmm hmmm. So, why did you click on my post?

You have the POWER to not read my posts, genius!

You're welcome.

lol

The intellectually impaired are just burning it UP in RFC today,

*sigh*

I love this group.




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"notbob" > wrote
> Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
> of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
> and the sacrifice they made. The horror of coming off those boats
> ...if one made it off!... and seeing buddies dropping like flies and
> ripped to shreds

You never went to war, did you?

Fact is, you and men like you are just overgrown boys who still like
grossout "entertainment."

You are among the mindlessly numb who need things like this to make
you feel alive.

Happily, some of us are not.



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On 2007-07-18, cybercat > wrote:

> You never went to war, did you?

Actually, it came to me. But, that's not important. Neither are you,
though you seem to think you are. Now run along and pester someone
else.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2007-07-18, cybercat > wrote:
>
>> You never went to war, did you?
>
> Actually, it came to me. But, that's not important. Neither are you,
> though you seem to think you are. Now run along and pester someone
> else.
>

Haven't mastered our newsreader yet, have we?

Let me help you with this. What you do is, when you see "cybercat" in the
"From" line, click on past it. Or, you can add me to your kill file.

Or, you can keep prissing out like the pussyboy you are.

I aim to please.





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notbob wrote:
> On 2007-07-18, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>>clean. Violence is messy and I think we do a disservice to the victims and
>>to ourselves if we try to delude ourselves into thinking that killing is
>>not a dirty, grisly business. Maybe a touch of reality is what people need
>>to understand what is really involved.
>
>
> Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
> of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
> and the sacrifice they made. The horror of coming off those boats
> ....if one made it off!... and seeing buddies dropping like flies and
> ripped to shreds

Yeah but making an industry out of it for entertainment ($$$profit$$$)
seems to me to be worse than sanitizing it, desensitizing people to it
in order to make lots of money.

To me the "entertainment" industry is breaking the social contract just
as much as if they were selling tainted pet food.
--
JL


while desperately seeking any sanctuary and there
> being none, nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, no escaping the rain of
> death befalling all from every quarter of Omaha Beach, needs to be
> conveyed to those who are use to the sanitized 6 o'clock news. Those
> German machine guns were real and spewed real death and those boys
> experienced a horror I can't even imagine. I choke up every time I
> see that opening scene and I thank God I didn't have to experience it
> and thank Stephen Spielberg for helping me realize just how terrifying
> an experience those boys had to endure.
>
> I think everyone should be forced to watch that opening scene at least
> once a year as a condition of citizenship. I'm stunned none of the
> networks have aired it on Memorial Day for the last two years. Maybe
> if more people had a better appreciation of what war is really like
> there might not have been such a wave of support to send our boys off
> to Iraq. Those poor guys are still living that very nightmare. Bring
> 'em home, I say. This war is nothing but a pork barrel for a raving
> maniac's cronies.
>
> nb
>

cybercat wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote
>
>>Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
>>of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
>>and the sacrifice they made. The horror of coming off those boats
>>...if one made it off!... and seeing buddies dropping like flies and
>>ripped to shreds
>
>
> You never went to war, did you?
>
> Fact is, you and men like you are just overgrown boys who still like
> grossout "entertainment."
>
> You are among the mindlessly numb who need things like this to make
> you feel alive.
>
> Happily, some of us are not.
>
>
>
"Adrenaline Junkies"?

I was freaked out by Snow white when i was about 3 years old, i was
taken to the Disney movie, i remember it vividly, when the old witch
paddled her boat out into the miasmic swamp from the castle dungeons i
FREAKED started screaming and yelling in utter terror....i had to be
taken out of the theatre.

As a young adult i saw the film "Its a mad, mad, mad, mad, world" and
belly laughed my way through it thoroughly enjoying the chaotic antics,
i got it recently on tape and its just sad, the very opening scene where
Jimmy Durante literally kicks the bucket is a chuckle but the next scene
where the poor mexican family with all their worldly belongings are ran
off the road by a bunch of well off greedy americans is tragic and there
is nothing funny about it. The Phil Silvers scenes held up well but
there he was just punishing himself while a little boy laughed at him.
And of course Ethyl Merman and Terry Thomas steal the movie from Spencer
Tracy and the rest of the cast.
--
JL

"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2007-07-18, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>clean. Violence is messy and I think we do a disservice to the victims
>>>and
>>>to ourselves if we try to delude ourselves into thinking that killing is
>>>not a dirty, grisly business. Maybe a touch of reality is what people
>>>need
>>>to understand what is really involved.
>>
>>
>> Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
>> of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
>> and the sacrifice they made. The horror of coming off those boats
>> ....if one made it off!... and seeing buddies dropping like flies and
>> ripped to shreds
>
> Yeah but making an industry out of it for entertainment ($$$profit$$$)
> seems to me to be worse than sanitizing it, desensitizing people to it in
> order to make lots of money.
>
> To me the "entertainment" industry is breaking the social contract just as
> much as if they were selling tainted pet food.
> --

Precisely. And adding to the already numb generations who have been
bludgeoned by this explicit depiction of violence for so long they feel
nothing.



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cybercat wrote:

>pussyboy

*sigh* what does that word mean? an effeminate male? yeah..there ya
go...lets use the female gender to insult men, oh its traditional, but
not very logical, unless one postulates a spiritual as well as
emotional, mental and physical inferiority to women in general.

Cause i really don't think you were calling them a eunuch or
transsexual, such a term would be used and not implied, and to make it
metaphorical would again be excessive when some thing like "dickless
wonder" is as equally available.
--
JL

Capt. to Lieut. oh and von Trippenhoff!

Lieut. Sir?

Capt. Don't let the C.O. catch you wearing makeup again.

Lieut. Ever?...Sir?

Capt. Well...very subtly applied then.

Lieut. Yes sir.

cybercat wrote:
>
>
> > To me the "entertainment" industry is breaking the social contract just as
> > much as if they were selling tainted pet food.
> > --
>
> Precisely. And adding to the already numb generations who have been
> bludgeoned by this explicit depiction of violence for so long they feel
> nothing.

Maybe the desensitization came from the sterile portrayals of killing that
kids have been raised on for several generations now.

Dave Smith wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
>>
>>>To me the "entertainment" industry is breaking the social contract just as
>>>much as if they were selling tainted pet food.
>>>--
>>
>>Precisely. And adding to the already numb generations who have been
>>bludgeoned by this explicit depiction of violence for so long they feel
>>nothing.
>
>
> Maybe the desensitization came from the sterile portrayals of killing that
> kids have been raised on for several generations now.

Well that's just it, we are talking abut the very real and graphic
depiction's, not the sterile ones or even the gratuitous ones.
--
JL