Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> To me the "entertainment" industry is breaking the social contract
>>>> just as
>>>> much as if they were selling tainted pet food.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Precisely. And adding to the already numb generations who have been
>>> bludgeoned by this explicit depiction of violence for so long they feel
>>> nothing.
>>
>>
>> Maybe the desensitization came from the sterile portrayals of killing
>> that
>> kids have been raised on for several generations now.
>
> Well that's just it, we are talking abut the very real and graphic
> depiction's, not the sterile ones or even the gratuitous ones.
> --
> JL

Exactly, the movie in question was in no way gratuitous. The director is
well know for not using cheepo sleezy methods to compensate for lack of
creativity and talent.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:30:49 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-07-18, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> and of course, 'a christmas story' is the only seasonal movie even
>> worth talking about, but then i thought potterville was a much better
>> place than bedford falls.
>
>Absolutely. He did a whole series of short stories about his
>childhood that were first published in Playboy. He later compiled
>them in 2 books, In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash and Wanda
>Hickey's Night of Golden Memories and Other Disasters. The stories
>are all as hilarious as Christmas Story. Check your local library. I
>read one, again, just last year.
>

i have both books. they're worth the effort to get.

<http://www.amazon.com/s/103-6576746-7424611?ie=UTF8&tag=mozilla-20&index=blended&link%5Fcode=qs&field-keywords=jean%20shepard&sourceid=Mozilla-search>

>A few other tidbits: There was a couple other JS movies from the
>above stories. One was Ollie Hopnoodle's Haven of Bliss, a rather lame
>and totally forgetable effort. I'm still looking for a copy of
>The Great American Fourth of July and Other Disasters, the GAFJ story
>being one of my favorites. Also, that was Jean doing the narration on
>Xmas Story, the reason it sounded so affectionately sincere.
>
>nb

there was also an l.p., 'the declassified jean shepherd.' i googled
for it:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/jeanshepherd

apparently it's now on c.d., and it you can listen to or download
two-minute samples of the cuts! (listen to 'the telltale underwear at
the very least.)

one of the many sterling things my dad did for me was point out the
virtues of jean shepherd. he has 'the christmas story' on the tube
from the turner broadcasting network all day christmas day until my
mother can't stand it any more.

your pal,
flick

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:17:51 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2007-07-18, cybercat > wrote:
>>
>>> If so it was misguided. Many of us can fully appreciate it without the
>>> grossout tactics. Some of us have functioning minds and imaginations.
>
>
>>
>> I wasn't replying to you and you have nothing to say I >want to hear.
>
>Mmm hmmm. So, why did you click on my post?
>
>You have the POWER to not read my posts, genius!
>
>You're welcome.
>
>lol
>
>The intellectually impaired are just burning it UP in RFC today,
>
>*sigh*
>

that's because school is out.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:40:46 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>cybercat wrote:
>
>> "notbob" > wrote
>>
>>>Exactly, Dave. SPR was intentionally sickeningly realistic so those
>>>of us who were not there could more fully appreciate those who were
>>>and the sacrifice they made. The horror of coming off those boats
>>>...if one made it off!... and seeing buddies dropping like flies and
>>>ripped to shreds
>>
>>
>> You never went to war, did you?
>>
>> Fact is, you and men like you are just overgrown boys who still like
>> grossout "entertainment."
>>
>> You are among the mindlessly numb who need things like this to make
>> you feel alive.
>>
>> Happily, some of us are not.
>>
>>
>>
>"Adrenaline Junkies"?
>
>I was freaked out by Snow white when i was about 3 years old, i was
>taken to the Disney movie, i remember it vividly, when the old witch
>paddled her boat out into the miasmic swamp from the castle dungeons i
>FREAKED started screaming and yelling in utter terror....i had to be
>taken out of the theatre.
>
>As a young adult i saw the film "Its a mad, mad, mad, mad, world" and
>belly laughed my way through it thoroughly enjoying the chaotic antics,
>i got it recently on tape and its just sad, the very opening scene where
>Jimmy Durante literally kicks the bucket is a chuckle but the next scene
>where the poor mexican family with all their worldly belongings are ran
>off the road by a bunch of well off greedy americans is tragic and there
>is nothing funny about it. The Phil Silvers scenes held up well but
>there he was just punishing himself while a little boy laughed at him.
>And of course Ethyl Merman and Terry Thomas steal the movie from Spencer
>Tracy and the rest of the cast.

great flick.

'what could go wrong with an old fashioned?'

dick shawn was great, and jonathan winters tearing apart the gas
station while arnold stang and his brother watch in horror...sid
caesar, milton berle and terry-thomas, all great...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057193/

for spencer tracy flicks, the one to beat is 'bad day a black rock':

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047849/

....not a comedy, but some very mordantly funny lines. plus, in one of
the greatest movie fight scenes of all time, a one-armed spencer tracy
whips the shit out of ernest borgnine. anne francis looks yummy, too.

your pal,
blake

On 2007-07-19, blake murphy > wrote:

> the greatest movie fight scenes of all time, a one-armed spencer tracy
> whips the shit out of ernest borgnine.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "greatest". Actually, I thought it was
pretty silly. I remember it vividly because Tracy used that tired old
50's cliche, the "judo chop". Open handed blow delivered with edge of
hand to back of neck. No spin kicks, no head butts, no crouched
ritual stance, just the lone judo chop delivered in a single deft flat
footed motion. The judo chop was a deadly blow oringinating in the
mysterious East and could kill or at least render helpless any foe
that was unlucky enough to suffer it. This was all the rage in so
many films both on tv and the movies of that era and preceded real
martial arts in American film fiction. Even little kids, I being one
at the time, regularly included it in their make-believe repertoire.
But, after years of Lee's and Li's and other sophisticated martial
arts chop-socky, this silly old bit was long forgotten by me until I
saw that movie about 3 yrs ago. I was stunned by the memory of it.
Whatta hoot. Other than that, I agree, it was a good movie.

nb

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:08:37 GMT, blake murphy >
wrote:

>one of the many sterling things my dad did for me was point out the
>virtues of jean shepherd. he has 'the christmas story' on the tube
>from the turner broadcasting network all day christmas day until my
>mother can't stand it any more.

I can't say *any* movie has "shaped my life", but if one ever pointed
out a fundamental truth... It's a Wonderful Life has my nomination.


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In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> As a young adult i saw the film "Its a mad, mad, mad, mad, world" and
> belly laughed my way through it thoroughly enjoying the chaotic antics,
> i got it recently on tape and its just sad, the very opening scene where
> Jimmy Durante literally kicks the bucket is a chuckle but the next scene
> where the poor mexican family with all their worldly belongings are ran
> off the road by a bunch of well off greedy americans is tragic and there
> is nothing funny about it. The Phil Silvers scenes held up well but
> there he was just punishing himself while a little boy laughed at him.
> And of course Ethyl Merman and Terry Thomas steal the movie from Spencer
> Tracy and the rest of the cast.

And here I thought Dick Shawn stole the movie. I probably got more
laughs out of "Cat Ballou" though. That's not as funny as it used to be
either. Neither shaped my life. I do like to laugh though.
"Pardon me boys, is this the Transylvania Station?"

leo

--
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cybercat wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cybercat wrote:
>>> "George" > wrote
>>>>> I walked out of the theatre in the first few minutes, when it was all
>>>>> bullets slamming into meat. If you can't tell me something without
>>>>> that, you can keep it to yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> From everything I read it was a faithful portrayal of actual events
>>>> and was necessary to tell the story.
>>> Like everyone does not know that war entails bullets slamming into
>>> human meat? What kind of idiot needs several minutes of nothing but
>>> the sight and sound of that?
>> Considering the duration of the actual landing I would say the movie only
>> offers a "tease" of what it was like to be there.
>>
>
> That was not my point, but Okay. My father was a marine in the Pacific
> Theater, and I am sure you are right.
>
> I still don't need or appreciate movies that bludgeon me instead of just
> conveying a point or portraying a scene without overkill. Life is too
> short.
>

Sometimes, though, the 'overkill' is the effect the filmmaker is trying
to achieve. Seems to me that might have been the case he the
characters in the movie had to live with that day & night. 2 minutes of
a gunfight isn't going to help you understand them.

I'm not saying it IS the case, and I readily grant that far too many
filmmakers go for gore over story and shock over substance, but
sometimes, bludgeoning IS the proper artistic expression.

The real artistry is knowing when to use it...

cybercat wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
>
> If so, it was misguided. Many of us can fully appreciate it without the
> grossout tactics. Some of us have functioning minds and imaginations.
>

I truly don't believe that you can say that unless you have been there.
You can't begin to imagine what it's like to be in combat unless you
have been in combat.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:36:25 -0500, notbob > wrote:

>On 2007-07-19, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> the greatest movie fight scenes of all time, a one-armed spencer tracy
>> whips the shit out of ernest borgnine.
>
>I wouldn't go so far as to say "greatest". Actually, I thought it was
>pretty silly. I remember it vividly because Tracy used that tired old
>50's cliche, the "judo chop". Open handed blow delivered with edge of
>hand to back of neck. No spin kicks, no head butts, no crouched
>ritual stance, just the lone judo chop delivered in a single deft flat
>footed motion. The judo chop was a deadly blow oringinating in the
>mysterious East and could kill or at least render helpless any foe
>that was unlucky enough to suffer it. This was all the rage in so
>many films both on tv and the movies of that era and preceded real
>martial arts in American film fiction. Even little kids, I being one
>at the time, regularly included it in their make-believe repertoire.
>But, after years of Lee's and Li's and other sophisticated martial
>arts chop-socky, this silly old bit was long forgotten by me until I
>saw that movie about 3 yrs ago. I was stunned by the memory of it.
>Whatta hoot. Other than that, I agree, it was a good movie.
>
>nb

i dunno, i like it. putting ernie through the screen door was a good
touch, i thought.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:23:15 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:08:37 GMT, blake murphy >
>wrote:
>
>>one of the many sterling things my dad did for me was point out the
>>virtues of jean shepherd. he has 'the christmas story' on the tube
>>from the turner broadcasting network all day christmas day until my
>>mother can't stand it any more.
>
>I can't say *any* movie has "shaped my life", but if one ever pointed
>out a fundamental truth... It's a Wonderful Life has my nomination.

like i said, i'd rather live in potterville than bedford falls...

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:50:40 -0700, Tony23 > wrote:

>cybercat wrote:
>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>
>> If so, it was misguided. Many of us can fully appreciate it without the
>> grossout tactics. Some of us have functioning minds and imaginations.
>>
>
>I truly don't believe that you can say that unless you have been there.
>You can't begin to imagine what it's like to be in combat unless you
>have been in combat.

Those that have been in combat can extrapolate from a couple of
scenes. The rest of us haven't been in battle and don't want to
experience it second hand.


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:27:14 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>
>> As a young adult i saw the film "Its a mad, mad, mad, mad, world" and
>> belly laughed my way through it thoroughly enjoying the chaotic antics,
>> i got it recently on tape and its just sad, the very opening scene where
>> Jimmy Durante literally kicks the bucket is a chuckle but the next scene
>> where the poor mexican family with all their worldly belongings are ran
>> off the road by a bunch of well off greedy americans is tragic and there
>> is nothing funny about it. The Phil Silvers scenes held up well but
>> there he was just punishing himself while a little boy laughed at him.
>> And of course Ethyl Merman and Terry Thomas steal the movie from Spencer
>> Tracy and the rest of the cast.
>
>And here I thought Dick Shawn stole the movie. I probably got more
>laughs out of "Cat Ballou" though. That's not as funny as it used to be
>either. Neither shaped my life. I do like to laugh though.
>"Pardon me boys, is this the Transylvania Station?"
>
>leo

i haven't seen that in a while. i think dwayne hickman is underrated
as an actor. lee marvin was great, too.

'he missed the barn!'

your pal,
blake

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:50:40 -0700, Tony23 > wrote:
>
>>cybercat wrote:
>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> If so, it was misguided. Many of us can fully appreciate it without the
>>> grossout tactics. Some of us have functioning minds and imaginations.
>>>
>>
>>I truly don't believe that you can say that unless you have been there.
>>You can't begin to imagine what it's like to be in combat unless you
>>have been in combat.
>
> Those that have been in combat can extrapolate from a couple of
> scenes. The rest of us haven't been in battle and don't want to
> experience it second hand.
>
Again, I have a really good imagination, I've read a bunch, I can
imagine the horror of battle (and have read first-hand accounts of
such WWII battles) without the overkill. I resent it, and every time
a filmmaker subjects me to it, I'll walk out. And get my money back.



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