On Jul 15, 10:03 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> maxine in ri wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 2:43 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >> Good lord, the baby isn't even walking yet and she's being fed fries
> >> and chicken nuggets. If she can eat solid food, isn't now the time
> >> to introduce her to vegetables other than the fried variety? and
> >> chicken other than the nugget kind? Sheesh!
>
> >> Jill
>
> > heh. My kid wouldn't touch fries and most other junk food until she
> > was
> > 5 or 6. At one, they'll eat anything they can get their hands around
> > and
> > into their mouths.
>
> > It may have been a treat, or somthing that the mother could give the
> > kid
> > that wouldn't get all over the place while they were in the front.
>
> > I admit I'd cringe too, but it's her pediatrician's job to advise
> > diet, not yours
> > or mine.
>
> > maxine in ri
>
> Obviously I didn't say anything to the woman. But as has often been
> discussed here I'm pretty sure this is a regular diet for this baby.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I know that you wouldn't say anything to the woman because you are a
good person, Jill. But some people get upset if one comments on
others' behaviors. Isn't that what literary works have been
presenting for millenia (sp?). Is it the 2+2=5 generation that is so
touch-y that one is not to have an opinion about others? After all,
this group's subject is food. Does that exclude babies and opinions?
You are allowed to have an opinion, Jill. I give you permission. PIU
on all those who don't think she should.
Dee Dee

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:02:26 -0400, Goomba38 >
> wrote:
>
> >Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, they'll have to eat those words when that 's kid's extra pounds
> >> redistribute like this: http://tinyurl.com/2x5ey4
> >>
> >> Sheldon
> >>
> >LOL...that last pic... with the tattoo on her backside? Those are called
> >"tramp stamps" at work. One of the young residents shared that with me
> >recently. Just thought you'd like to know?
>
> I still don't understand tatoos on anybody. My dad had them on his
> arms and I hated seeing them. Ugh.

The only tattoo I'd consider getting would be of my medical directive...

On Jul 15, 3:17 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Elisa" > wrote
>
>
>
> > This thread reminded me of a recent pic of Christie Brinkley's 8 year old
> > daughter. Poor thing, must be tough having a mom that looks like that.
>
> >http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famec.../07/06/christi...
>
> No. Mom's old. I think it would be tougher to have the name
> "Sailor." What the hell was Christie thinking?

Maybe her middle name is Moon. As in Sailor Moon, a wierd anime.
Whaddya expect for someone who was married to Billy Joel?

T.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:27:39 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:15:52 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >3. If anyone can withstand the occasional crap meal it is the
>> >young, whose systems are very efficient and growing so that
>> >they will at least have greater need for the caloric fat etc.
>> >
>> Absolutely! They have a much greater need for a high number of
>> calories. Thanks for adding that.
>
>Unfortunately while that is indeed true, the crap-food eating habits
>developed as a child when they can get away with that diet will continue
>past the growing years and turn them into lard-asses.

You don't sound like you've ever raised kids.


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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:57:32 -0400, Ward Abbott >
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:03:35 -0500, "jmcquown"
> wrote:
>
>>Obviously I didn't say anything to the woman. But as has often been
>>discussed here I'm pretty sure this is a regular diet for this baby.
>
>What burns me it to see a FAT woman feeding her kids to make them fat
>so she doesn't look out of place.
>
>"Oh gee....we have a genetic glandular problem".........make me
>believe that one fatso....the gland is saliva.
>
>And seeing a fat woman with a shopping cart full of JUNK and then she
>has the nerve to pay with food stamps.
>

yeah, the nerve of these poor people, being fat. if they had any
self-respect, they'd starve themselves to death.

or maybe they should be forced to shop at off-hours, so solid citizens
like yourself wouldn't have to see them. vote republican!

your pal,
blake

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:27:39 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:15:52 -0400, "cybercat" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >3. If anyone can withstand the occasional crap meal it is the
>>> >young, whose systems are very efficient and growing so that
>>> >they will at least have greater need for the caloric fat etc.
>>> >
>>> Absolutely! They have a much greater need for a high number of
>>> calories. Thanks for adding that.
>>
>>Unfortunately while that is indeed true, the crap-food eating habits
>>developed as a child when they can get away with that diet will continue
>>past the growing years and turn them into lard-asses.
>
> You don't sound like you've ever raised kids.

I had a weight problem in the fifth and sixth grades. By the beginning of
the 7th
I had dropped all the excess weight by not eating the things my family ate
that
were really fattening. (Pastries, sugar sodas, lots of bread and potatoes.)
I recall
eating a lot of hard boiled eggs and tuna salad wrapped in lettuce. This was
long
before Atkins (it was about 1970, so wasn't it?) but my Dad had used some
sort
of low carb diet in the marines, I think?



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"blake murphy" > wrote
>
> yeah, the nerve of these poor people, being fat. if they had any
> self-respect, they'd starve themselves to death.
>

I used to live in the "gentrified" part of Raleigh, you know, the old
Victorian houses all the lawyers bought up and made into playpens,
which of course bordered the poor black neighborhoods.

There was one grocery that I would go to when I didn't want to
drive far.

I was amazed at the marketing being done there--so different
than out in the burbs.

As soon as I entered the door, it was hot dogs and twinkies
and potato chips, all in my face. Big displays.



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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:32:07 -0700, Dee Dee >
wrote:

>On Jul 15, 10:03 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> maxine in ri wrote:
>> > On Jul 15, 2:43 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> >> Good lord, the baby isn't even walking yet and she's being fed fries
>> >> and chicken nuggets. If she can eat solid food, isn't now the time
>> >> to introduce her to vegetables other than the fried variety? and
>> >> chicken other than the nugget kind? Sheesh!
>>
>> >> Jill
>>
>> > heh. My kid wouldn't touch fries and most other junk food until she
>> > was
>> > 5 or 6. At one, they'll eat anything they can get their hands around
>> > and
>> > into their mouths.
>>
>> > It may have been a treat, or somthing that the mother could give the
>> > kid
>> > that wouldn't get all over the place while they were in the front.
>>
>> > I admit I'd cringe too, but it's her pediatrician's job to advise
>> > diet, not yours
>> > or mine.
>>
>> > maxine in ri
>>
>> Obviously I didn't say anything to the woman. But as has often been
>> discussed here I'm pretty sure this is a regular diet for this baby.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I know that you wouldn't say anything to the woman because you are a
>good person, Jill. But some people get upset if one comments on
>others' behaviors. Isn't that what literary works have been
>presenting for millenia (sp?). Is it the 2+2=5 generation that is so
>touch-y that one is not to have an opinion about others? After all,
>this group's subject is food. Does that exclude babies and opinions?
>You are allowed to have an opinion, Jill. I give you permission. PIU
>on all those who don't think she should.
>Dee Dee
>

with all due respect, i don't think jill's opinions qualify as
'literature.'

your pal,
blake

sf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:27:39 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >sf wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:15:52 -0400, "cybercat" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >3. If anyone can withstand the occasional crap meal it is the
> >> >young, whose systems are very efficient and growing so that
> >> >they will at least have greater need for the caloric fat etc.
> >> >
> >> Absolutely! They have a much greater need for a high number of
> >> calories. Thanks for adding that.
> >
> >Unfortunately while that is indeed true, the crap-food eating habits
> >developed as a child when they can get away with that diet will continue
> >past the growing years and turn them into lard-asses.
>
> You don't sound like you've ever raised kids.

I've been one, same thing. I didn't eat crap, I had a very diverse
palette and was always looking for new foods to try. I was eating all
manner of seafood early on as well as exotics like escargot and smoked
oysters. I also started cooking early as well. As an adult I still cook
up a storm and am constantly searching for new foods. While I could
stand to loose about 10#, that's well below the lard-ass average.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:57:32 -0400, Ward Abbott >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:03:35 -0500, "jmcquown"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Obviously I didn't say anything to the woman. But as has often been
> >>discussed here I'm pretty sure this is a regular diet for this baby.
> >
> >What burns me it to see a FAT woman feeding her kids to make them fat
> >so she doesn't look out of place.
> >
> >"Oh gee....we have a genetic glandular problem".........make me
> >believe that one fatso....the gland is saliva.
> >
> >And seeing a fat woman with a shopping cart full of JUNK and then she
> >has the nerve to pay with food stamps.
> >
>
> yeah, the nerve of these poor people, being fat. if they had any
> self-respect, they'd starve themselves to death.
>
> or maybe they should be forced to shop at off-hours, so solid citizens
> like yourself wouldn't have to see them. vote republican!
>
> your pal,
> blake

Funny, it's the democraps / left wing that want to regulate what you can
eat, not the repugicans...

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:51:26 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:27:39 GMT, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:15:52 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >3. If anyone can withstand the occasional crap meal it is the
>> >> >young, whose systems are very efficient and growing so that
>> >> >they will at least have greater need for the caloric fat etc.
>> >> >
>> >> Absolutely! They have a much greater need for a high number of
>> >> calories. Thanks for adding that.
>> >
>> >Unfortunately while that is indeed true, the crap-food eating habits
>> >developed as a child when they can get away with that diet will continue
>> >past the growing years and turn them into lard-asses.
>>
>> You don't sound like you've ever raised kids.
>
>I've been one, same thing.

Rein in your little pony there, Petey. You're off your rocker. You
haven't raised/had to feed children and I doubt you're a pediatric
nutritionist, in which case all you have is a slant and rant. Yawn.


>I didn't eat crap,


You don't know what you ate at that age, as your memory is not
dependable enough to recall it. This whole thread started about a kid
about to turn one (by another person who is childless, though more
polite than you).


>I had a very diverse
>palette and was always looking for new foods to try. I was eating all
>manner of seafood early on as well as exotics like escargot and smoked
>oysters. I also started cooking early as well. As an adult I still cook
>up a storm and am constantly searching for new foods. While I could
>stand to loose about 10#, that's well below the lard-ass average.

A "diverse palette" has squat to do with a well balanced diet and
proper exercise. Snails smothered in garlic butter are hardly an
improvement over chicken tenders and fries, now are they? One need
look no further for extreme diversity than the chips and dips aisle at
the local 7/11. Diversity is not key, nutrition is, balance is,
regular exercise is.

Eating a well balanced diet does not require one to be a good cook,
either.

Boron

Pete C. wrote:

> The only tattoo I'd consider getting would be of my medical directive...

A good tat artist could probably do that in the shape of a mermaid or
something.


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On Jul 16, 12:26 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:32:07 -0700, Dee Dee >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 15, 10:03 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >> maxine in ri wrote:
> >> > On Jul 15, 2:43 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >> >> Good lord, the baby isn't even walking yet and she's being fed fries
> >> >> and chicken nuggets. If she can eat solid food, isn't now the time
> >> >> to introduce her to vegetables other than the fried variety? and
> >> >> chicken other than the nugget kind? Sheesh!
>
> >> >> Jill
>
> >> > heh. My kid wouldn't touch fries and most other junk food until she
> >> > was
> >> > 5 or 6. At one, they'll eat anything they can get their hands around
> >> > and
> >> > into their mouths.
>
> >> > It may have been a treat, or somthing that the mother could give the
> >> > kid
> >> > that wouldn't get all over the place while they were in the front.
>
> >> > I admit I'd cringe too, but it's her pediatrician's job to advise
> >> > diet, not yours
> >> > or mine.
>
> >> > maxine in ri
>
> >> Obviously I didn't say anything to the woman. But as has often been
> >> discussed here I'm pretty sure this is a regular diet for this baby.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >I know that you wouldn't say anything to the woman because you are a
> >good person, Jill. But some people get upset if one comments on
> >others' behaviors. Isn't that what literary works have been
> >presenting for millenia (sp?). Is it the 2+2=5 generation that is so
> >touch-y that one is not to have an opinion about others? After all,
> >this group's subject is food. Does that exclude babies and opinions?
> >You are allowed to have an opinion, Jill. I give you permission. PIU
> >on all those who don't think she should.
> >Dee Dee
>
> with all due respect, i don't think jill's opinions qualify as
> 'literature.'
>
> your pal,
> blake- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

With all due respect, you should take a reading comprehension course.
Dee Dee

On Jul 16, 11:11 am, wrote:
> On Jul 15, 3:17 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
> > "Elisa" > wrote
>
> > > This thread reminded me of a recent pic of Christie Brinkley's 8 year old
> > > daughter. Poor thing, must be tough having a mom that looks like that.
>
> > >http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famec.../07/06/christi...
>
> > No. Mom's old. I think it would be tougher to have the name
> > "Sailor." What the hell was Christie thinking?
>
> Maybe her middle name is Moon. As in Sailor Moon, a wierd anime.
> Whaddya expect for someone who was married to Billy Joel?
>
> T.

Could it be that her middle name could be Sailor; first name, "Hey."
Dee Dee

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:01:38 -0500, "Ms P" >
wrote:

>Youngest sons very most favorite thing was canned carrots, straight from the
>can. He could eat a whole can all by himself.

My little guys (aged two and a half) love canned carrots, too. They
will eat a whole big can between them. They also love canned peas and
canned French cut green beans. I hate canned veggies, but they love
them. They'll eat baby carrots, too, but they love the canned version
better.

They have had maybe a half dozen chicken nugget Happy Meals in their
life. They probably had their first of those around the age of one.
It's a treat for them and I get to steal the toys for my prize box at
school. If I want to feel virtuous, I get one with apples and one
with fries and divide the sides between them.

Yesterday afternoon, anyone who saw my family out could have written a
post about the two little boys scarfing down tortilla chips and cheese
quesadillas at the Mexican restaurant.

They are in the 80th percentile for height and the 30th percentile for
weight. You can see their ribs and backbone. They eat all day long
and never sit down.

Tara

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:20:31 -0700, Dee Dee >
wrote:

>Could it be that her middle name could be Sailor; first name, "Hey."
>Dee Dee

LOLOL! It's a good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read this
or I'd be cleaning off my screen right now.


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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:40:19 -0700, sf rummaged among random neurons
and opined:

>I still don't understand tatoos on anybody. My dad had them on his
>arms and I hated seeing them. Ugh.

My uncle had tattoos inked during WWII. He was a sailor during the war
and I guess it was de rigueur at the time. Years later, I idly asked
him if he ever regretted getting them. He said, "Nope, because every
time I think about doing something stupid, I look at those tattoos."

RIP, Uncle Wade <sniff!>

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Yeah, they'll have to eat those words when that 's kid's extra pounds
> redistribute like this: http://tinyurl.com/2x5ey4
>
> Sheldon

I love to start the day with a Bougainvillea tickling my pootsie...

-L.

Ms P wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "We had french fries!" I also saw what appeared to be remnants of chicken
> > nuggets on the plate.
> >
> > Good lord, the baby isn't even walking yet and she's being fed fries and
> > chicken nuggets. If she can eat solid food, isn't now the time to
> > introduce
> > her to vegetables other than the fried variety? and chicken other than the
> > nugget kind? Sheesh!
> > Jill
>
>
> French fries are easy to eat for babies that don't have teeth yet. They're
> not stringy or crunchy or gaggy for babies. They're perfect finger food,
> easy for little hands to pick up and put in their mouth.

Perhaps, but there is no way in hell I'd give an infant fried
anything.

-L.

In article .com>,
"-L." > wrote:

> Ms P wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "We had french fries!" I also saw what appeared to be remnants of chicken
> > > nuggets on the plate.
> > >
> > > Good lord, the baby isn't even walking yet and she's being fed fries and
> > > chicken nuggets. If she can eat solid food, isn't now the time to
> > > introduce
> > > her to vegetables other than the fried variety? and chicken other than the
> > > nugget kind? Sheesh!
> > > Jill
> >
> >
> > French fries are easy to eat for babies that don't have teeth yet. They're
> > not stringy or crunchy or gaggy for babies. They're perfect finger food,
> > easy for little hands to pick up and put in their mouth.
>
> Perhaps, but there is no way in hell I'd give an infant fried
> anything.
>
> -L.

Why? There's nothing particularly unhealthy in "fried anything" --
even supposing one grants that there _is_ something unhealthy in
"fried everything". Bread and baked crackers have rather less fat
than fried potatoes; but fat in moderation is not bad -- it is
_essential_. Imprinting on children a bizarre notion that "food ==
MacDonald's" is probably unhealthy, but that needs a lot more
complex exposure, and an older child than an infant!

Michael Siemon > wrote:

> "-L." > wrote:

>> Ms P wrote:

>> > French fries are easy to eat for babies that don't have teeth yet. They're
>> > not stringy or crunchy or gaggy for babies. They're perfect finger food,
>> > easy for little hands to pick up and put in their mouth.

>> Perhaps, but there is no way in hell I'd give an infant fried
>> anything.

>Why? There's nothing particularly unhealthy in "fried anything" --
>even supposing one grants that there _is_ something unhealthy in
>"fried everything". Bread and baked crackers have rather less fat
>than fried potatoes; but fat in moderation is not bad -- it is
>_essential_.

It's particularly essential for infants. An adult can eat almost
no fat and be healthy, not a newborn infant.

The vegans whose baby starved recently were feeding it only soymilk and
apple juice. Not enough fat, perhaps not enough vitamins as well,
even though such a diet contains complete protein and carbohydrates.

Steve

"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, they'll have to eat those words when that 's kid's extra pounds
>> redistribute like this: http://tinyurl.com/2x5ey4
>>
>> Sheldon
>
> I love to start the day with a Bougainvillea tickling my pootsie...
>

:

Do I have a pootsie?

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Michael Siemon > wrote:
>
>> "-L." > wrote:
> >
>>> Perhaps, but there is no way in hell I'd give an infant fried
>>> anything.
>
>>Why? There's nothing particularly unhealthy in "fried anything" --
>>even supposing one grants that there _is_ something unhealthy in
>>"fried everything". Bread and baked crackers have rather less fat
>>than fried potatoes; but fat in moderation is not bad -- it is
>>_essential_.
>
> It's particularly essential for infants. An adult can eat almost
> no fat and be healthy, not a newborn infant.
>
> The vegans whose baby starved recently were feeding it only soymilk and
> apple juice. Not enough fat, perhaps not enough vitamins as well,
> even though such a diet contains complete protein and carbohydrates.
>
> Steve

Fat is essential for proper brain development. Pediatricians recommend not
giving a child skim milk until after the age of two and some say not until
after the age of five.

Ms P

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I was checking rates at a local motel that just reopened for when people
> come to visit. The woman in the office had a baby, about a year old, maybe
> a few months older, in one of those hanging bouncy-things. She told me the
> baby is just getting ready to walk. Then she commented she'd just fed the
> baby. I noticed one of those separated compartment "baby plates" sitting on
> a table. And she said brightly, as much for the baby's benefit as for mine,
> "We had french fries!" I also saw what appeared to be remnants of chicken
> nuggets on the plate.
>
> Good lord, the baby isn't even walking yet and she's being fed fries and
> chicken nuggets. If she can eat solid food, isn't now the time to introduce
> her to vegetables other than the fried variety? and chicken other than the
> nugget kind? Sheesh!
>
> And no, her mom wasn't overweight. It appeared they lived on site in one of
> the units so I doubt paying rent was an issue. Of course there are other
> types of financial issues, but still. I think fresh or even frozen veggies
> and careful shopping for real meat would soooo benefit that baby in the
> early stages of life! IMHO.


People jumped all over me last month when I reported my observations on the
lady with the giant caboose and a careful of crap. :-)

cybercat wrote:

> I used to live in the "gentrified" part of Raleigh, you know, the old
> Victorian houses all the lawyers bought up and made into playpens,
> which of course bordered the poor black neighborhoods.

Lawyers bought my grandparent's house and turned it into offices. On the
positive side, I can always walk in and see the house. They left the
kitchen and the downstairs bathroom intact. I guess buying Victorian
houses and turning them into offices is popular.

Becca

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:04:58 -0500, "Ms P" >
wrote:

>Fat is essential for proper brain development. Pediatricians recommend not
>giving a child skim milk until after the age of two

ditto for GSs pediatrician.


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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:44:37 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

> Years later, I idly asked
>him if he ever regretted getting them. He said, "Nope, because every
>time I think about doing something stupid, I look at those tattoos."

Geeze, I *wish* my dad had that attitude!


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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:56:39 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, they'll have to eat those words when that 's kid's extra pounds
>>> redistribute like this: http://tinyurl.com/2x5ey4
>>>
>>> Sheldon
>>
>> I love to start the day with a Bougainvillea tickling my pootsie...
>>
>
>:
>
>Do I have a pootsie?
>
thank you.... I had no idea what that meant either




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Tara > wrote in
:

> They have had maybe a half dozen chicken nugget Happy
> Meals in their life. They probably had their first of
> those around the age of one. It's a treat for them and I
> get to steal the toys for my prize box at school. If I
> want to feel virtuous, I get one with apples and one with
> fries and divide the sides between them.

my son is 7 next month & has *never* had a Happy Meal of any
type. he does like McD's cheeseburgers (he had his first one
about 6 months ago) because they put those rehydrated onions
on them.
he hates chicken nuggets. he'll eat french fries, but much
prefers broccoli (most places like Applebee's will substitute
broccoli for fries if you ask).
you know the apples in Happy Meals are dioxide treated so
they don't turn brown, right? i wouldn't feel so virtuous
feeding that to my kid...

> Yesterday afternoon, anyone who saw my family out could
> have written a post about the two little boys scarfing down
> tortilla chips and cheese quesadillas at the Mexican
> restaurant.

at 2.5 my kid used to carry around a bottle of green Tabasco
to "flavor" his foods. now he likes the red & smoky chipotle
Tabasco. cheese quesadillas are a common breakfast here.

> They are in the 80th percentile for height and the 30th
> percentile for weight. You can see their ribs and
> backbone. They eat all day long and never sit down.

Boo has been 90% for height & 10% for weight since he was 2
months old. his 4 year old cousin weighs more than he does
(Boo is 42 pounds, his cousin is 58)
i don't buy junk food, but Boo eats a lot of full fat yogurt,
real milk, cheese, etc. fat is necessary for proper brain
development, but, of course, it needs to be in properly
nutritious foods not empty calorie junk.
lee

enigma wrote:
> you know the apples in Happy Meals are dioxide treated so
> they don't turn brown, right? i wouldn't feel so virtuous
> feeding that to my kid...

Are you sure that the apples are "dioxide treated" to prevent them
turning brown? Carbon dioxide or chlorine dioxide are used to forestall
rotting during shipment, but not to prevent browning once prepared. MEAT
is treated with carbon MON-oxide to preserve its red color and prevent
graying.

Prepared fruits and vegetables are commonly treated with acids to
prevent browning, and it's a very old practice quite well accepted.



> at 2.5 my kid used to carry around a bottle of green Tabasco
> to "flavor" his foods. now he likes the red & smoky chipotle
> Tabasco. cheese quesadillas are a common breakfast here.

<snip>

> Boo has been 90% for height & 10% for weight since he was 2
> months old. his 4 year old cousin weighs more than he does
> (Boo is 42 pounds, his cousin is 58)
> i don't buy junk food, but Boo eats a lot of full fat yogurt,
> real milk, cheese, etc. fat is necessary for proper brain
> development, but, of course, it needs to be in properly
> nutritious foods not empty calorie junk.

I'm constantly amazed at how we never make a misstep with our own kids.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...

> I'm constantly amazed at how we never make a misstep with our own kids.

Thanks. Someone had to say it!

Felice

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:52 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>
>Are you sure that the apples are "dioxide treated" to prevent them
>turning brown? Carbon dioxide or chlorine dioxide are used to forestall
>rotting during shipment, but not to prevent browning once prepared. MEAT
>is treated with carbon MON-oxide to preserve its red color and prevent
>graying.
>
>Prepared fruits and vegetables are commonly treated with acids to
>prevent browning, and it's a very old practice quite well accepted.

According to the McDonald's website, the apple slices contain:

" Apples, calcium ascorbate (a blend of calcium and vitamin C) to
maintain freshness and color."

Tara

Pennyaline > wrote in
:

> enigma wrote:
>> you know the apples in Happy Meals are dioxide treated so
>> they don't turn brown, right? i wouldn't feel so virtuous
>> feeding that to my kid...
>
> Are you sure that the apples are "dioxide treated" to
> prevent them turning brown?
> Prepared fruits and vegetables are commonly treated with
> acids to prevent browning, and it's a very old practice
> quite well accepted.

you're right. they use a solution of isoascorbic/ascorbic
acid, calcium, and N-acetyl-L-cysteine at pH 2.0.
the ascorbic acid alone brevents browning for short periods,
but the low pH cysteine bath slows the growth of molds &
bacteria (assuming the apples were pre-sterilized in sodium
clorite before slicing). the dip does enhance the growth of
pennicillium expansum on the sodium chlorite dipped apples,
which can be helped by a pretreatment dip of the whole apples
into a 60C water bath however.
much like meat, cut fruit should not have a shelf life of 3-4
weeks...
>> Boo has been 90% for height & 10% for weight since he was
>> 2 months old. his 4 year old cousin weighs more than he
>> does (Boo is 42 pounds, his cousin is 58)
>> i don't buy junk food, but Boo eats a lot of full fat
>> yogurt, real milk, cheese, etc. fat is necessary for
>> proper brain development, but, of course, it needs to be
>> in properly nutritious foods not empty calorie junk.
>
> I'm constantly amazed at how we never make a misstep with
> our own kids.

i'm old (almost 53). i grew up on fresh foods & that's what i
grow & buy. i don't *like* prepackaged foods. i have a lot of
chemical sensitivities & i already know Boo has some
sensitivities to food dyes.
i'm also a farmer, so i have access to fresh food (or
frozen/canned fresh), but that also means i frequently do not
have time for making elaborate or time-consuming dishes. one
can make good food fast, sometimes even faster than
prepackaged crap.
lee

Tara > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:52 -0600, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Are you sure that the apples are "dioxide treated" to
>>prevent them turning brown? Carbon dioxide or chlorine
>>dioxide are used to forestall rotting during shipment, but
>>not to prevent browning once prepared. MEAT is treated with
>>carbon MON-oxide to preserve its red color and prevent
>>graying.
>>
>>Prepared fruits and vegetables are commonly treated with
>>acids to prevent browning, and it's a very old practice
>>quite well accepted.
>
> According to the McDonald's website, the apple slices
> contain:
>
> " Apples, calcium ascorbate (a blend of calcium and vitamin
> C) to maintain freshness and color."

and, unless they're actually cutting the apples there (which i
know they aren't) they contain N-acetyl-L-cysteine and salt.
lee

Tara wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:13:52 -0600, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that the apples are "dioxide treated" to prevent them
>> turning brown? Carbon dioxide or chlorine dioxide are used to forestall
>> rotting during shipment, but not to prevent browning once prepared. MEAT
>> is treated with carbon MON-oxide to preserve its red color and prevent
>> graying.
>>
>> Prepared fruits and vegetables are commonly treated with acids to
>> prevent browning, and it's a very old practice quite well accepted.
>
> According to the McDonald's website, the apple slices contain:
>
> " Apples, calcium ascorbate (a blend of calcium and vitamin C) to
> maintain freshness and color."
>
> Tara

Right, treated with acids.

"enigma" > wrote in message

> my son is 7 next month & has *never* had a Happy Meal of any
> type.

Well that is sad. Meal time is supposed to be happy for everyone. If he is
not happy eating with you, perhaps he'd be happy eating alone.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in
et:

>
> "enigma" > wrote in message
>
>> my son is 7 next month & has *never* had a Happy Meal of
>> any type.
>
> Well that is sad. Meal time is supposed to be happy for
> everyone. If he is not happy eating with you, perhaps he'd
> be happy eating alone.

heh heh
actually, we're making pizza. he's a pretty good cook already.
lee