On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:47:50 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas >
wrote:

>
>Try tenderizing some meat (beef or lamb) before using in a stir fry.

I've heard of that, but haven't seen proportions. I know you can
throw it in the washer to soften jeans.


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:20:53 +0200, Chatty Cathy
> wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> If you think it's in the plastic, try scrubbing the area with the baking
>> soda using a cut lemon. I wonder if Febreze would help ... if they
>> even sell that there. Also, don't people swear by something called
>> Ozium?
>
>I have heard of Febreze here - but thought it was only a fabric
>deodorizer... Anyhoo, my hands now smell of bleach, as I just finished
>washing the bottom half of the fridge surface with a fairly strong
>solution of it. Will see how it smells in the morning...

Keep the door open! Let that puppy air out.


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:04:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>
>Unless it was skim milk, the plastic (fridge surface) may have absorbed a
>bit of fat, in the same way plastic containers sometimes seem to absorb oils
>from foods you store in them. I find the best way to clean these is with the
>soft side of a scrub sponge and a shot of undiluted dish detergent.
>Obviously, it'll be a chore to wipe off the soap from the inside of the
>fridge (compared to rinsing containers over the sink), but it should remove
>any fat residue. Disinfectants aren't designed for that.

I have found that an amonia and water solution makes a great grease
cutter. That's what I use on and around my stovetop.


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In article >, sf says...
> >Waste of baking soda. See http://www.pgacon.com/KitchenMyths.htm
> >
> >Arm & Hammer really flummoxed millions of people with this one,
> >including me until I learned the truth.
>
> I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
> least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>

This is an example of people being deluded by what they think is true.
You think that baking soda reduces odors, so after putting it in the
fridge for a while you convince yourself that the odors are in fact
reduced, even though they are not (or, if they are, it's from another
cause). Psychologists call this cognitive dissonance.


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In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hey....they've got someone in the White House to emulate. He still thinks
> >> he's weakened al Qaeda and Pervez Musharraf is his buddy, even though his
> >> hand picked security advisors are saying the exact opposite. No wonder so
> >> many people think it's stylish to be delusional.
> > No offense intended but... if you wanna talk politics - take this outside
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Chatty Cathy
>
> Hush, you. Go iron my shirts.
>
> :-)

Eat my shorts... ;-)
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In article >, sf wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:55:17 -0400, Peter A >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Waste of baking soda. See http://www.pgacon.com/KitchenMyths.htm
> >
> >Arm & Hammer really flummoxed millions of people with this one,
> >including me until I learned the truth.
>
> I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
> least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.

Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.

But I must admit, the newspaper bit always worked better for mom.
A box of fish tank activated charcoal might work even faster.
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In article >, sf wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:04:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Unless it was skim milk, the plastic (fridge surface) may have absorbed a
> >bit of fat, in the same way plastic containers sometimes seem to absorb oils
> >from foods you store in them. I find the best way to clean these is with the
> >soft side of a scrub sponge and a shot of undiluted dish detergent.
> >Obviously, it'll be a chore to wipe off the soap from the inside of the
> >fridge (compared to rinsing containers over the sink), but it should remove
> >any fat residue. Disinfectants aren't designed for that.
>
> I have found that an amonia and water solution makes a great grease
> cutter. That's what I use on and around my stovetop.

I use glass cleaner to cut grease on the stove top. Stinks less, but
it's got ammonia in it which is why it probably works. ;-)
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hey....they've got someone in the White House to emulate. He still
>> >> thinks
>> >> he's weakened al Qaeda and Pervez Musharraf is his buddy, even though
>> >> his
>> >> hand picked security advisors are saying the exact opposite. No wonder
>> >> so
>> >> many people think it's stylish to be delusional.
>> > No offense intended but... if you wanna talk politics - take this
>> > outside
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers
>> > Chatty Cathy
>>
>> Hush, you. Go iron my shirts.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Eat my shorts... ;-)


Next, you'll be saying "chooks", because you think it's cool and people will
think you're all worldly & shit.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Hey....they've got someone in the White House to emulate. He still
> >> >> thinks
> >> >> he's weakened al Qaeda and Pervez Musharraf is his buddy, even though
> >> >> his
> >> >> hand picked security advisors are saying the exact opposite. No wonder
> >> >> so
> >> >> many people think it's stylish to be delusional.
> >> > No offense intended but... if you wanna talk politics - take this
> >> > outside
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Chatty Cathy
> >>
> >> Hush, you. Go iron my shirts.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >
> > Eat my shorts... ;-)
>
>
> Next, you'll be saying "chooks", because you think it's cool and people will
> think you're all worldly & shit.

I gave my chooks away to a good home.
New city ordinances suck. :-(

Hush.

I miss my beloved Cochin Bantam chooks:

http://feathersite.com/Poultry/CGA/C...CochinBty.html

I even used to hatch them.
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Peter A wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>> As I understand it, that whole baking soda thing is just a myth to
>>> sell lots of baking soda. If your fridge is clean, you don't need
>>> it.
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>
> nb is exactly right - baking soda DOES NOT ABSORB ODORS. This is a
> plain fact of chemistry, although millions of people have been fooled
> into thinking that it does.

I just keep it in the fridge because I use it in some recipes. :~)

kili

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, sf wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:04:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Unless it was skim milk, the plastic (fridge surface) may have
>>> absorbed a bit of fat, in the same way plastic containers sometimes
>>> seem to absorb oils from foods you store in them. I find the best
>>> way to clean these is with the soft side of a scrub sponge and a
>>> shot of undiluted dish detergent. Obviously, it'll be a chore to
>>> wipe off the soap from the inside of the fridge (compared to
>>> rinsing containers over the sink), but it should remove any fat
>>> residue. Disinfectants aren't designed for that.
>>
>> I have found that an amonia and water solution makes a great grease
>> cutter. That's what I use on and around my stovetop.
>
> I use glass cleaner to cut grease on the stove top. Stinks less, but
> it's got ammonia in it which is why it probably works. ;-)

Yep, I'm a windex freak when it comes to grease cutting. It works so well.

kili

In article >,
says...
> > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
> > least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>
> Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
>
>

But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.

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Omelet wrote:

> Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
>
> But I must admit, the newspaper bit always worked better for mom.
> A box of fish tank activated charcoal might work even faster.

Newspaper works for me. Wad up a sheets of newspaper into balls the
size of a grapfruit. Please these balls of newspaper inside your fridge.

You may want to clean each bottle and container in the refrigerator,
some of the product labels may have absorbed the foul odor (too bad it
wasn't chicken, then I could have said "fowl"). Good luck.

Becca

Chatty Cathy wrote:
>
> We have two fridges. One big, one small. Keep the milk, cream, butter,
> juice etc. and a few "overflow" items in the small one. There must have
> been some milk or cream leaking in the smaller one at some point that I
> didn't notice - until I could smell that awful "sour milk" smell when I
> opened the door. Anyway, I pulled everything out and, lo and behold,
> there was some "rotten" milk solids at the very bottom of the fridge -
> hiding under the "vegetable trays". Yuk! So I scrubbed it all out with
> various "disinfectant" products (that are available here) yesterday, but
> I can still smell it every time I open the door. Double-yuk. Now what?
> Do I empty the whole thing and try and find space for the milk etc. in
> the other fridge, switch it off and leave it open for a few days, or...
> Any other ideas?
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

I've never tried this, but I think charcoal briquettes might do the
trick? Or some of that charcoal that's used for aquariums perhaps?
Might be worth a go?

Sky

"Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
...
> We have two fridges. One big, one small. Keep the milk, cream, butter, juice
> etc. and a few "overflow" items in the small one. There must have been some
> milk or cream leaking in the smaller one at some point that I didn't notice -
> until I could smell that awful "sour milk" smell when I opened the door.
> Anyway, I pulled everything out and, lo and behold, there was some "rotten"
> milk solids at the very bottom of the fridge - hiding under the "vegetable
> trays". Yuk! So I scrubbed it all out with various "disinfectant" products
> (that are available here) yesterday, but I can still smell it every time I
> open the door. Double-yuk. Now what? Do I empty the whole thing and try and
> find space for the milk etc. in the other fridge, switch it off and leave it
> open for a few days, or... Any other ideas?
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

If you are satisfied that you have thoroughly cleaned out the entire fridge the
then transfer any food to the other fridge then make sure there is no ice or
frost in the "smelly" one. Put a fan in front of the bad fridge and leave the
fan on full speed for several hours or more.

As you transfer the food smell each item before transferring it.

Smell or odor is based upon a certain quantity of odor particles in an
environment and the strength of those particles. in all likelihood the odor
particles have penetrated both the food and other parts of the fridge.

Dimitri

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >, sf wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:04:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Unless it was skim milk, the plastic (fridge surface) may have
> >>> absorbed a bit of fat, in the same way plastic containers sometimes
> >>> seem to absorb oils from foods you store in them. I find the best
> >>> way to clean these is with the soft side of a scrub sponge and a
> >>> shot of undiluted dish detergent. Obviously, it'll be a chore to
> >>> wipe off the soap from the inside of the fridge (compared to
> >>> rinsing containers over the sink), but it should remove any fat
> >>> residue. Disinfectants aren't designed for that.
> >>
> >> I have found that an amonia and water solution makes a great grease
> >> cutter. That's what I use on and around my stovetop.
> >
> > I use glass cleaner to cut grease on the stove top. Stinks less, but
> > it's got ammonia in it which is why it probably works. ;-)
>
> Yep, I'm a windex freak when it comes to grease cutting. It works so well.
>
> kili

And it does not stink like pure Ammonia does!

I cannot stand the smell of pure sudsy Ammonia.
The one time I tried it, I had to open all the windows and doors, and
run every fan I could find!
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In article >,
Peter A > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
> > > least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
> >
> > Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
> >
> >
>
> But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.

And you are deluded that they don't...

Like the "myth" "hot pan, cold oil, food don't stick".

Works every single freakin' time for me.
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Andy wrote:
> A box of Arm 'n' Hammer Baking soda should suck up the aromas. I keep one
> in there and replace it about every quarter of the year. You may need to
> let a box just spend a week to do away with the stink (shake it up a little
> every so often).

1. How do you know when it's working?
2. How do you know when it needs to be replaced.

>
> Andy

-bwg

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:17:55 -0400, Peter A >
wrote:

>This is an example of people being deluded by what they think is true.
>You think that baking soda reduces odors, so after putting it in the
>fridge for a while you convince yourself that the odors are in fact
>reduced, even though they are not (or, if they are, it's from another
>cause). Psychologists call this cognitive dissonance.

Are you really telling me my refrigerator is cleaner than I think?
LOL That's a back handed compliment if I hever heard one.


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:29:09 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>
>But I must admit, the newspaper bit always worked better for mom.
>A box of fish tank activated charcoal might work even faster.

While the charcoal is a great idea (haven't thought about that one in
years) it's not as readily available as A&H is at the grocery
store.... and I must have missed the news paper trick. Please repeat!


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:46:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:
>
>
>Hey....they've got someone in the White House to emulate. He still thinks
>he's weakened al Qaeda and Pervez Musharraf is his buddy, even though his
>hand picked security advisors are saying the exact opposite.

Didn't King George say that we'd pull out of Iraq if they told us to
go? Well, they said we could leave.....


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:58:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>Hush, you. Go iron my shirts.

didn't you really mean *shorts*?
LOL


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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:46:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hey....they've got someone in the White House to emulate. He still thinks
>>he's weakened al Qaeda and Pervez Musharraf is his buddy, even though his
>>hand picked security advisors are saying the exact opposite.
>
> Didn't King George say that we'd pull out of Iraq if they told us to
> go? Well, they said we could leave.....


....and it *is* (or at least it used to be) a sovereign country. Perhaps this
is the problem:

"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a-you've been given
sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the
relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between
sovereign entities."-Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004


He thinks sovereignty is something that is given. We haven't given it to
Iraq yet. It's in a box in the White House kitchen freezer.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:37:58 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:
>
>Layer some newspaper in the bottom for a few days.
>Mom and dad used this and it worked.
>
>Newsprint contains charcoal (or so M&D told me) and it works quite well.
>

OH! News papers with the old fashioned ink that makes your hands
black? I wonder if the new smudgeless inks still contain carbon.
Gotta try that sometime!

Have you ever cleaned windows using newspapers?



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On Jul 19, 6:46 am, Chatty Cathy > wrote:
> We have two fridges. One big, one small. Keep the milk, cream, butter,
> juice etc. and a few "overflow" items in the small one. There must have
> been some milk or cream leaking in the smaller one at some point that I
> didn't notice - until I could smell that awful "sour milk" smell when I
> opened the door. Anyway, I pulled everything out and, lo and behold,
> there was some "rotten" milk solids at the very bottom of the fridge -
> hiding under the "vegetable trays". Yuk! So I scrubbed it all out with
> various "disinfectant" products (that are available here) yesterday, but
> I can still smell it every time I open the door. Double-yuk. Now what?
> Do I empty the whole thing and try and find space for the milk etc. in
> the other fridge, switch it off and leave it open for a few days, or...
> Any other ideas?
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

If nothing else works, fill the fridge with crumpled newspaper and a
dryer sheet. I was told this trick by a used appliance salesman. We
moved into a house that the previous tenents hadn't emptied the fridge
before having the power turned off-it was beyond gross. This worked a
treat, though. I had tried wiping with straight bleach and nada.

Lynne A

sf wrote in :

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:47:50 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Try tenderizing some meat (beef or lamb) before using in a stir fry.
>
> I've heard of that, but haven't seen proportions. I know you can
> throw it in the washer to soften jeans.
>
>


If you've got a tough bit of meat and you want to do a stirfry with it,
coat it both sides with baking soda, cover and leave for an hour. Wash it
off, slice it up and cook it.

It does take some of the flavour away, and gives it a spongey texture, but
with a stirfry sauce to mask it, it's great. I usually use it on lamb, in a
Mongolian Lamb dish.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

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the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
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In article >, sf wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:29:09 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >But I must admit, the newspaper bit always worked better for mom.
> >A box of fish tank activated charcoal might work even faster.
>
> While the charcoal is a great idea (haven't thought about that one in
> years) it's not as readily available as A&H is at the grocery
> store.... and I must have missed the news paper trick. Please repeat!

Layer Newspaper on the shelves.
Mom said it had something to do with the ink.
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In article >, sf wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:37:58 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
> >
> >Layer some newspaper in the bottom for a few days.
> >Mom and dad used this and it worked.
> >
> >Newsprint contains charcoal (or so M&D told me) and it works quite well.
> >
>
> OH! News papers with the old fashioned ink that makes your hands
> black? I wonder if the new smudgeless inks still contain carbon.
> Gotta try that sometime!
>
> Have you ever cleaned windows using newspapers?

Yes, I have. :-)
I learned that trick when I worked for Inner Space Caverns.
Cleaning windows with Newspaper keeps them from streaking.
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Peter A wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>
> Waste of baking soda. See http://www.pgacon.com/KitchenMyths.htm

Hmm...
"Searing meat seals in the juices"

Interesting how many executive chefs of major steak houses still seem to
believe this one...

> Arm & Hammer really flummoxed millions of people with this one,
> including me until I learned the truth.

The source given on the page you cited is:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem00388.htm

I can't help but wonder if any empirical data exists, or if it's all
opinion.

BTW, even the source states "The popular "open box of Arm & Hammer® in
the refrigerator" simply provides an adsorbent material that can soak up
odors..." - he does NOT say it doesn't work - only that it doesn't work
"very well". Compared to activated charcoal (which he recommends), I
would have to agree.

I suppose you could try a box of flour - might work just as well.

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:46:36 +0200, Chatty Cathy wrote:
>
>> Any other ideas?
>
> Put BigBadSmellingBarry in there to neutralize the stink. He
> soaks up the stink. Remove after 1 hour.

Barry *who*? hehe.

Anyway - thanks to all the folks here - did a combination of some of the
suggestions.... cleaned it out with a bleach solution, chucked out
anything in there that smelled "suspect" - and shoved some newspaper in
the fridge overnight.... The stink appears to be abating.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Jul 19, 1:27 pm, Peter A > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
> > > least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>
> > Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
>
> But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.

Astounding, isn't it?

Sour milk is a difficult one. What I'd do is turn it off and open the
door. Then I'd clean the inside thoroughly with 1-2oz bleach per
gallon of water, then put a large pot of boiling water into the fridge
and close the door for several hours.. Remove the pot, wipe down
again, and leave the door open with a fan blowing into it. Obviously,
it is best to take it outside to do this, especially in the Summer.

I spent about 14 or 15 years as a janitorial supervisor, and the last
13 as a happily underemployed custodian, so I've dealt with such
things. Dilute bleach is great stuff, but don't ever use more than
about a cup per gallon. More isn't better. Air and time, and
sunlight when practical, are the best deodorizers.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

--Bryan

On Jul 19, 8:46 am, Chatty Cathy > wrote:
> We have two fridges. One big, one small. Keep the milk, cream, butter,
> juice etc. and a few "overflow" items in the small one. There must have
> been some milk or cream leaking in the smaller one at some point that I
> didn't notice - until I could smell that awful "sour milk" smell when I
> opened the door. Anyway, I pulled everything out and, lo and behold,
> there was some "rotten" milk solids at the very bottom of the fridge -
> hiding under the "vegetable trays". Yuk! So I scrubbed it all out with
> various "disinfectant" products (that are available here) yesterday, but
> I can still smell it every time I open the door. Double-yuk. Now what?
> Do I empty the whole thing and try and find space for the milk etc. in
> the other fridge, switch it off and leave it open for a few days, or...
> Any other ideas?
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

I wash my fridge with bakingsoda and a damp sponge, then rinse with
fresh water, then wipe it down with a mild vinegar solution. That
usually works. Then I found some charcoal odor eaters for the fridge,
and they seem to do a good job, but Omelet's suggestion of newspaper
(crumpled) is another good idea, once you're sure you've gotten rid of
the original cause of the smell.

Good luck.
maxine in ri

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:17:55 -0400, Peter A >
wrote:

>In article >, sf says...
>> >Waste of baking soda. See http://www.pgacon.com/KitchenMyths.htm
>> >
>> >Arm & Hammer really flummoxed millions of people with this one,
>> >including me until I learned the truth.
>>
>> I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
>> least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>>
>
>This is an example of people being deluded by what they think is true.
>You think that baking soda reduces odors, so after putting it in the
>fridge for a while you convince yourself that the odors are in fact
>reduced, even though they are not (or, if they are, it's from another
>cause). Psychologists call this cognitive dissonance.

not exactly. from wikipedia:

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological term which describes the
uncomfortable tension that may result from having two conflicting
thoughts at the same time, or from engaging in behavior that conflicts
with one's beliefs. More precisely, it is the perception of
incompatibility between two cognitions, where "cognition" is defined
as any element of knowledge, including attitude, emotion, belief, or
behavior. The theory of cognitive dissonance states that contradicting
cognitions serve as a driving force that compels the mind to acquire
or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing beliefs, so
as to reduce the amount of dissonance (conflict) between cognitions.
Experiments have attempted to quantify this hypothetical drive. Some
of these examined how beliefs often change to match behavior when
beliefs and behavior are in conflict.

....so it would only be cognitive dissonance if you used the baking
soda and the smell got *worse*, but you continued to use it anyway,
because mamma said so. if you use baking soda and the smell faded due
to the passage of time or some other reason, you'd merely be mistaken.
there's no real 'dissonance.'

c.d. might apply, say, if you believed george bush was a great
president, viewed the cluster**** he has orchestrated in iraq, but
continued to think he was a great president.

your pal,
karl

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:28 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Peter A > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
>> > > least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>> >
>> > Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.
>
>And you are deluded that they don't...
>
>Like the "myth" "hot pan, cold oil, food don't stick".
>
>Works every single freakin' time for me.

obviously, you have telekinetic powers and peter doesn't.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:23:42 -0700, sf wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:46:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hey....they've got someone in the White House to emulate. He still thinks
>>he's weakened al Qaeda and Pervez Musharraf is his buddy, even though his
>>hand picked security advisors are saying the exact opposite.
>
>Didn't King George say that we'd pull out of Iraq if they told us to
>go? Well, they said we could leave.....

but that wasn't the iraqi *people* it was just their cruddy prime
minister. whom we had absolutely no role in selecting. seriously,
really.

your pal,
george

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:37:32 +0200, Chatty Cathy
> wrote:

>Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:46:36 +0200, Chatty Cathy wrote:
>>
>>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Put BigBadSmellingBarry in there to neutralize the stink. He
>> soaks up the stink. Remove after 1 hour.
>
>Barry *who*? hehe.
>
>Anyway - thanks to all the folks here - did a combination of some of the
>suggestions.... cleaned it out with a bleach solution, chucked out
>anything in there that smelled "suspect" - and shoved some newspaper in
>the fridge overnight.... The stink appears to be abating.

but, but...then we'll never know which technique worked! poor
experimental design. go back to surveys.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:28 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Peter A > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>> > > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She
>>> > > can at least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>>> >
>>> > Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.
>>
>>And you are deluded that they don't...
>>
>>Like the "myth" "hot pan, cold oil, food don't stick".
>>
>>Works every single freakin' time for me.
>
> obviously, you have telekinetic powers and peter doesn't.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

What does any of this have to do with stink removal...and why would a
legless lizard (stink) be in a fridge?

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Elbonian Folklore

On Jul 20, 12:04 pm, hahabogus > wrote:
> blake murphy > wrote :
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:28 -0500, Omelet >
> > wrote:
>
> >>In article >,
> >> Peter A > wrote:
>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>> > > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She
> >>> > > can at least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
>
> >>> > Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
>
> >>> But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.
>
> >>And you are deluded that they don't...
>
> >>Like the "myth" "hot pan, cold oil, food don't stick".
>
> >>Works every single freakin' time for me.
>
> > obviously, you have telekinetic powers and peter doesn't.
>
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> What does any of this have to do with stink removal...and why would a
> legless lizard (stink) be in a fridge?

I think, you skink,
have mixed up lizards with
reefer stink

Yeti

maxine in ri > wrote in news:1184948110.270227.37780
@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> I think, you skink,
> have mixed up lizards with
> reefer stink
>
> Yeti
>

ok. I agree...

--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
Elbonian Folklore

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:28 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Peter A > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >> > > I know it's on the myth list, but it works for me anyway. She can at
> >> > > least try and it won't cost her an arm or a leg.
> >> >
> >> > Interesting that sometimes "myths" work so well for so many.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> But they don't - these people are deluded into thinking they work.
> >
> >And you are deluded that they don't...
> >
> >Like the "myth" "hot pan, cold oil, food don't stick".
> >
> >Works every single freakin' time for me.
>
> obviously, you have telekinetic powers and peter doesn't.
>
> your pal,
> blake

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