the Dursleys treat Harry. Access to Usenet can get as much as a day &
a half behind. My ISP used to have their own newsserver. Arggh. I
might have to start paying for it.

--Bryan

In article .com>,
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:

> the Dursleys treat Harry. Access to Usenet can get as much as a day &
> a half behind. My ISP used to have their own newsserver. Arggh. I
> might have to start paying for it.
>
> --Bryan

I have yet to regret shelling out $12.00 per month for Giganews.
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Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> the Dursleys treat Harry. Access to Usenet can get as much as a day &
> a half behind.

They, and usenet, would be better off if they dropped posting access
and went to just archiving. They are the major spam vector these days.

> My ISP used to have their own newsserver. Arggh. I
> might have to start paying for it.

I recommend the http://news.individual.net service. It's moderately
priced at 10 Euro/year, about $14 US currently, and provides access to
most text newsgroups. Its reliability and retention are very good.




Brian

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:47:55 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
wrote:

>the Dursleys treat Harry. Access to Usenet can get as much as a day &
>a half behind. My ISP used to have their own newsserver. Arggh. I
>might have to start paying for it.
>
I though GG's timelyness had improved, but just lately I tried to look
up a couple of recent threads when the OP hadn't shown up on giganews
and couldn't find the *entire* thread! I think they've backslid.

PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the "basic
package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you can afford it
anyway. http://www.giganews.com/


--

A husband is someone who takes out the trash and gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house.

sf wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:47:55 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
> wrote:
>
> > the Dursleys treat Harry. Access to Usenet can get as much as a
> > day & a half behind. My ISP used to have their own newsserver.
> > Arggh. I might have to start paying for it.
> >
> I though GG's timelyness had improved, but just lately I tried to look
> up a couple of recent threads when the OP hadn't shown up on giganews
> and couldn't find the entire thread! I think they've backslid.

They've been having a problem for the past several days. Reports are
that things are improving.


> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the "basic
> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you can afford it
> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/

http://news.individual.net is much cheaper if all you want is the
equivalent of what GG provides, text groups.




Brian

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won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On 19 Jul 2007 18:43:54 GMT, "Default User" >
wrote:

>> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the "basic
>> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you can afford it
>> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/
>
>http://news.individual.net is much cheaper if all you want is the
>equivalent of what GG provides, text groups.

I know, but he wants binaries.


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A husband is someone who takes out the trash and gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house.

Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
last year or two.

Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
confused.

Sign me Aggravated,

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
> such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
> any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
> last year or two.
>
> Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
> confused.

I just pulled up some stuff from 1981 via GG. That's where their
advanced search date parameters begin.


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"Blinky the Shark" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
>> such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
>> any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
>> last year or two.
>>
>> Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
>> confused.
>
> I just pulled up some stuff from 1981 via GG. That's where their
> advanced search date parameters begin.

Thanks. I'm sure the more annoyed I became, the more likely
I was doing something wrong. When I couldn't find any reference
to the word water between 81 and 2005, I decide to stop irritating
myself.

Heh. The cacciatore by any spelling turned out fine anyway.

nancy

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:53:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
>such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
>any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
>last year or two.
>
>Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
>confused.
>
>Sign me Aggravated,
>
I don't see any thread with chicken cacchiatore before 2002. All of
your comments are add ons - I don't see an entire recipe by you. Are
you sure you posted it?




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<sf> wrote

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:53:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>>Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
>>such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
>>any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
>>last year or two.
>>
>>Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
>>confused.
>>
>>Sign me Aggravated,
>>
> I don't see any thread with chicken cacchiatore before 2002. All of
> your comments are add ons - I don't see an entire recipe by you. Are
> you sure you posted it?

A number of times. I know how to make it, the recipe is my
mil's, nothing to it, I just wanted to know how long to simmer and
I can't find her handwritten copy, either.

Maybe I dreamed it up. Heh.

nancy

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:48:52 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
><sf> wrote
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:53:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
>>>such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
>>>any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
>>>last year or two.
>>>
>>>Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
>>>confused.
>>>
>>>Sign me Aggravated,
>>>
>> I don't see any thread with chicken cacchiatore before 2002. All of
>> your comments are add ons - I don't see an entire recipe by you. Are
>> you sure you posted it?
>
>A number of times. I know how to make it, the recipe is my
>mil's, nothing to it, I just wanted to know how long to simmer and
>I can't find her handwritten copy, either.
>
>Maybe I dreamed it up. Heh.
>
I found it Nancy.... you spelled it wrong and I copy/pasted the wrong
spelling too getting your results. Look for chicken cacciatore.

Here's the recipe!

Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
From: Nancy Young >
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:14:55 -0500
Local: Mon, Jan 26 2004 4:14 pm
Subject: Chicken Cacciatore

Okay, here's my mil's recipe, no big deal. But it is what I'm making
for dinner. In her words.

6 chicken thighs
2 cans of tomato sauce (any supermarket brand)
1 green bell pepper (cut in small pieces)
1/4 ground pepper
1 tablespoon oregano
1 teaspoon garlic powder

Take skin off chicken. Heat skillet, add about a tablespoon of oil.
Brown chicken, both sides, medium heat. Place browned chicken in
sauce pot. Pour tomato sauce over chicken. Add seasonings plus
pepper. Simmer for approximately 45 minutes. Stir occasionally.

PS: If you want to, you can brown 2 or 3 sausages and add to chicken
in sauce pot.

(laughing!) The rest is almost incomprehensible but I get that you
need to drain the fat from the sausage.

At any rate, I brown the chicken that I have skinned and cut off the
fat, (thighs, only thighs) in the sausage fat.

Smells great in here. I know, not Goremett.

nancy


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sf wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:48:52 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>><sf> wrote
>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:53:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is it something I am doing wrong? I tried to find my recipe,
>>>>such as it is, for chicken cacchiatore and cannot. Then I noticed
>>>>any results I got in all my ways of searching for it were only in the
>>>>last year or two.
>>>>
>>>>Does Google Groups still have older posts? Or am I just really
>>>>confused.
>>>>
>>>>Sign me Aggravated,
>>>>
>>> I don't see any thread with chicken cacchiatore before 2002. All of
>>> your comments are add ons - I don't see an entire recipe by you. Are
>>> you sure you posted it?
>>
>>A number of times. I know how to make it, the recipe is my
>>mil's, nothing to it, I just wanted to know how long to simmer and
>>I can't find her handwritten copy, either.
>>
>>Maybe I dreamed it up. Heh.
>>
> I found it Nancy.... you spelled it wrong and I copy/pasted the wrong
> spelling too getting your results. Look for chicken cacciatore.
>
> Here's the recipe!
>
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> From: Nancy Young >
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:14:55 -0500
> Local: Mon, Jan 26 2004 4:14 pm
> Subject: Chicken Cacciatore
>
> Okay, here's my mil's recipe, no big deal. But it is what I'm making
> for dinner. In her words.
>
> 6 chicken thighs
> 2 cans of tomato sauce (any supermarket brand)
> 1 green bell pepper (cut in small pieces)
> 1/4 ground pepper
> 1 tablespoon oregano
> 1 teaspoon garlic powder
>
> Take skin off chicken. Heat skillet, add about a tablespoon of oil.
> Brown chicken, both sides, medium heat. Place browned chicken in
> sauce pot. Pour tomato sauce over chicken. Add seasonings plus
> pepper. Simmer for approximately 45 minutes. Stir occasionally.
>
> PS: If you want to, you can brown 2 or 3 sausages and add to chicken
> in sauce pot.
>
> (laughing!) The rest is almost incomprehensible but I get that you
> need to drain the fat from the sausage.
>
> At any rate, I brown the chicken that I have skinned and cut off the
> fat, (thighs, only thighs) in the sausage fat.
>
> Smells great in here. I know, not Goremett.
>
> nancy

Since I went through the process, too, but didn't get that far back,
here's a thread on chicken cacciatore from last fall, that Nancy's in,
but the recipe(s) therein aren't hers. If anyone wants an alternate.


http://tinyurl.com/yrzgsx

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<sf> wrote

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:48:52 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:

>>Maybe I dreamed it up. Heh.
>>
> I found it Nancy.... you spelled it wrong and I copy/pasted the wrong
> spelling too getting your results. Look for chicken cacciatore.

Thank you! I spelled it every way from Sunday. I googled on the
ingredients. I tried it all. I don't know what I was doing wrong.
Thanks a million!

nancy

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:54:09 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the "basic
>> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you can afford it
>> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/
>
> I think SBC/AT&T DSL and Dialups are about the only semi-national
> provider around that still maintains their own servers.

+ Earthlink


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Omelet > wrote:
>I have yet to regret shelling out $12.00 per month for Giganews.

Easynews is $10 and has zero problems (sort of, but
I use it in a bizarre way that would expose those
problems, and normal browser-type newsreaders don't).

--Blair

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2007 00:36:50 GMT, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>> I think SBC/AT&T DSL and Dialups are about the only semi-national
>>> provider around that still maintains their own servers.
>>
>> + Earthlink

Which is not to say it has good news servers; just that it has some.

I don't use them. I do use Earthlink.

> That did come to mind, but I wasn't sure. I know they've had
> serious problems in the past, so I didn't even other checking on
> it.
>
> There are a bunch of smaller ISP's that still do it - like
> Texas.net (my former ISP), who are also the founders of Giganews.

They founded Giganews but don't use it?

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Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2007 03:33:42 GMT, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>> There are a bunch of smaller ISP's that still do it - like
>>> Texas.net (my former ISP), who are also the founders of Giganews.
>>
>> They founded Giganews but don't use it?
>
> I'm not sure if this is a pun or not, but yes - Texas.net users
> get unlimited giganews, as much as they can slurp on their dialup
> lines as I don't think they provide broadband of any sort.

Gotcha. I thought this was an example of "smaller ISP's that still do
it", meaning provide in-house news servers -- rather than using Giganews
servers. Which I figured would be separate from the in-house servers I
thought you were saying they used.


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"Default User" > wrote in

> I recommend the http://news.individual.net service. It's
> moderately priced at 10 Euro/year, about $14 US currently, and
> provides access to most text newsgroups. Its reliability and
> retention are very good.

Excellent server. Excellent!

In article >, Omelet > wrote:
>In article .com>,
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>
>> the Dursleys treat Harry. Access to Usenet can get as much as a day &
>> a half behind. My ISP used to have their own newsserver. Arggh. I
>> might have to start paying for it.
>
>I have yet to regret shelling out $12.00 per month for Giganews.

Provided you don't want binaries, one of the best, if not THE best is:

<http://www.individual.net/>

It's run by Freie Universität Berlin.

The *annual* fee is currently 10 EUR. (Not sure what that is at the
moment in USD, but it was about 16 AUD when I renewed earlier this
year.)

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Steve Wertz wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:54:09 -0700, sf wrote:
> >
> >> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the "basic
> >> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you can
> afford it >> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/
> >
> > I think SBC/AT&T DSL and Dialups are about the only semi-national
> > provider around that still maintains their own servers.
>
> + Earthlink

They don't provide DSL service in my area. As far as I can tell, the
only one that does is AT&T (gotta get used to the new name).




Brian

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won't shut up.
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Default User wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:54:09 -0700, sf wrote:
>> >
>> >> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the "basic
>> >> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you can
>> afford it >> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/
>> >
>> > I think SBC/AT&T DSL and Dialups are about the only semi-national
>> > provider around that still maintains their own servers.
>>
>> + Earthlink
>
> They don't provide DSL service in my area. As far as I can tell, the
> only one that does is AT&T (gotta get used to the new name).

For the record, I didn't say they did. I added them to the list of "DSL
and dialups...that still maintains their own servers."

What was your AT&T before it was AT&T?

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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> > Blinky the Shark wrote:
> >
> >> Steve Wertz wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:54:09 -0700, sf wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the
> "basic >> >> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you
> can >> afford it >> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/
> >> >
> >> > I think SBC/AT&T DSL and Dialups are about the only semi-national
> >> > provider around that still maintains their own servers.
> >>
> >> + Earthlink
> >
> > They don't provide DSL service in my area. As far as I can tell, the
> > only one that does is AT&T (gotta get used to the new name).
>
> For the record, I didn't say they did. I added them to the list of
> "DSL and dialups...that still maintains their own servers."

I know, I had previously checked with them to see if they provided in
my area. I should say that there are some other DSL providers, but only
small ones with high prices.

> What was your AT&T before it was AT&T?

Same as Steve, SBC. We (St. Louis) were in the original SBC area.



Brian

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won't shut up.
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Default User wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Default User wrote:
>> > Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> >
>> >> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:54:09 -0700, sf wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> PS: some ISPs have farmed out to giganews and give you the
>> "basic >> >> package" for free. Check it out. If yours doesn't, you
>> can >> afford it >> anyway. http://www.giganews.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > I think SBC/AT&T DSL and Dialups are about the only
>> >> > semi-national provider around that still maintains their own
>> >> > servers.
>> >>
>> >> + Earthlink
>> >
>> > They don't provide DSL service in my area. As far as I can tell,
>> > the only one that does is AT&T (gotta get used to the new name).
>>
>> For the record, I didn't say they did. I added them to the list of
>> "DSL and dialups...that still maintains their own servers."
>
> I know, I had previously checked with them to see if they provided in
> my area. I should say that there are some other DSL providers, but
> only small ones with high prices.

I have EL's dialup; I've had for probably nine years or so. It's been
solid and troublefree, but like with most ISPs their own Usenet feed
sucked and I've been very happily using news.individual.net for several
years. Back to EL: I don't know if their DSL is any good.

>> What was your AT&T before it was AT&T?
>
> Same as Steve, SBC. We (St. Louis) were in the original SBC area.

I'm in L.A., and we went SBC-to-ATT several months ago, too.


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Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2007 19:40:48 GMT, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Back to EL: I don't know if their DSL is any good.
>
> And broadband they offer is just resold using the local
> providers. Here yuou can get Earthlink Broadband, but it's
> really just Time Warner's RoadRunner bundled with Earthlink
> software, mail and news servers.

I just got junk snail mail from RoadRunner, this morning.

>> I'm in L.A., and we went SBC-to-ATT several months ago, too.
>
> I thought all of California was Pac Bell. I guess that was just
> northern CA.

Down here, we *were* Pac Bell, then SBC, now ATT.


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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Steve Wertz wrote:

> >> I'm in L.A., and we went SBC-to-ATT several months ago, too.
> >
> > I thought all of California was Pac Bell. I guess that was just
> > northern CA.
>
> Down here, we were Pac Bell, then SBC, now ATT.

We were original SBC territory, after the baby bells were formed. The
HQ for the original Southwestern Bell was in St. Louis.




Brian

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won't shut up.
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Steve Wertz wrote:

> On 20 Jul 2007 16:50:38 GMT, Default User wrote:
>
> > They don't provide DSL service in my area. As far as I can tell, the
> > only one that does is AT&T (gotta get used to the new name).
>
> You mean, the ORIGINAL name. The break up of Ma Bell, and the
> second Honeymooon.

The way they're going, it may be.




Brian

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