"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:04:42 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> In article <wHbpi.3395$7w.1456@trnddc05>,
> > >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > >> > Wine contests are all classified into varietals and price. You do
not
> > >see a
> > >> > 2 dollar wine competing with a 20 dollar wine. The TJs wine was
> > >probably in
> > >> > the "under 5 dollar" category.
> > >>
> > >> It was the California State Fair.
> > >>
> > >> It was a blind tasting.
> > >>
> > >> There were no price categories.
> > >>
> > >> The wine was bottled by Charles Shaw, which sells mostly through TJs
but
> > >> isn't part of it.
> > >>
> > >> It was a chardonnay, competing against other chardonnays.
> > >
> > >I'd have to see the lineup. The Charles Shaw Chardonnay is something I
> > >drink often and cook with. It's no where close to Sutter Home's
offering at
> > >about 3.50 a bottle. Smoking Loon is great at 4.95 on average. BV
makes a
> > >jug wine offering for about 9 bucks (1.50 liters) and it is night and
day
> > >better than CS.
>
> > hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
> > under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages and
> > kings.
>
>
> Paul is never wrong. There are many people like this. I tend to avoid
> them. I ran into many where I used to work. I just went to their
> bosses and explained the facts. This didn't make me popular.
>
> Here is a URL:
>
> http://apps.calexpo.com/fair/WhatsNe...asp?PRelId=157

Why don't you just have your own tasting then? I had a Clos du Bois last
night that was quite lovely, cost 6 bucks and was in a whole other league
than CS.

Or maybe you just can't taste the difference? That is a distinct
possibility.

Paul

On 2007-07-24, Paul M. Cook > wrote:

> I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with some very
> strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in any
> category other than table.

Non illigitamus carborundum!

I've been drinking CS wine since its intoduction. I like CS. I like
good wines. I'm sorry, but CS chard is not a "good" wine. It's good
for the money. It's good for cooking. It's good for a cheap drunk.
BUT! ...it's not even on the same planet as "good" wine. Adequate.
Decent. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! Double
gold medal? Someone is on drugs and it ain't me.

nb


to

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2007-07-24, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>
> > I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with some
very
> > strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in any
> > category other than table.
>
> Non illigitamus carborundum!
>
> I've been drinking CS wine since its intoduction. I like CS. I like
> good wines. I'm sorry, but CS chard is not a "good" wine. It's good
> for the money. It's good for cooking. It's good for a cheap drunk.
> BUT! ...it's not even on the same planet as "good" wine. Adequate.
> Decent. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! Double
> gold medal? Someone is on drugs and it ain't me.
>

That's what I've been saying all along. Blake the flake just can't seem to
deal with it, though. CS is fine for the table, fine for cooking but an
award winner? Fugghedaboudit!!!

Paul

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:28:51 -0000, wrote:
>
> >On Jul 22, 4:40 pm, "James Silverton" >
> >wrote:
> >> Potomac, Maryland > wrote in message
> >>
> >> oups.com...
> >> On Jul 22, 12:45 pm, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > notbob wrote on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:01:25 -0500:
> >> >
> >> > ??>> I guess standards differ. TJs wines are drinkable but I've
> >> > ??>> not had a *great* bottle of wine for $5 since the 1960s
> >> > ??>> :-)
> >> >
> >> > n> I have. A 1L bottle, no less. Back around '92-93, Woodside
> >> > n> was closing out the previous year's bottling of Zinfandel.
> >> > n> They were discounting it all over town and I was just
> >> > n> getting started on wines. I bought out all the places that
> >> > n> still had some, about 6 cases from different stores, all
> >> > n> bottled in different places, all about $5-6. Most of it was
> >> > n> just ok, a few bottles had turned, but there were 4-5
> >> > n> bottles that were spectacular, even by a neophyte's
> >> > n> standards.
> >> >
> >> > n> While not a $5 bottle, Gallo had a cab in '94 that was
> >> > n> fantastic for only $9-10. When people caught on, it went
> >> > n> like wildfire. I wish I still had some of those.
> >> >
> >> > Not to downgrade the bargain too much, $10 in 1994 is equivalent
> >> > to $13-14 now and $14 will get you a very decent bottle of OZ
> >> > Shiraz. Spending over $20 will get something verging on very
> >> > good.
> >> >
> >> > James Silverton
> >> > Potomac, Maryland
> >>
> >> help me out James, still a novice here, although my hubby enjoys
> >> expensive champagne. Let me ask you how a cheap wine WINS a
> >> competition like this TJ wine did, if you can't get anything good for
> >> under $20.00. I am not doubting you or causing a fight. Just wonder,
> >> really, how a wine can win if it is only a couple of bucks but real
> >> wine drinkers insist it can't be good. How do they finagle those darn
> >> contests? >B.T.
> >>
> >> It depends a lot on how tastings and competitions are organized. Most
of
> >> the stuff reported is anecdotal. The only way to really rate wines is a
> >> blind tasting like the famous one of 1976 where California wines came
out
> >> ahead of French and most of the tasters were French. The French have
been
> >> proclaiming "We wuz robbed" ever since. If Wine Spectator were not in
the
> >> business of selling wine, they might be a lot more honest.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jim Silverton
> >
> >Thank you Jim! I suspect that often a cheap wine gets good marks only
> >because it is a remarkable bargain. I'd prefer to have wines reviewed
> >next to each other without regard of any kind for the price. Than you
> >could really see what the honest feedback is. > B.T.
>
> um, it was a blind tasting. do you know what that means?

It means TJs threatened to gouge out the eyes of the judges if their wine
wasn 't a winnner.

Paul

In article <d7spi.4665$7V6.2400@trnddc03>,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:


> > hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
> > under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages and
> > kings.

> And one other thing, the CS wines are all blended, they put them up against
> vintage wines. A very strange contest indeed.

Not mutually exclusive. The winning CS chardonnay was vintage.


> I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with some very
> strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in any
> category other than table.


The California State Fair has different criteria than most. Perhaps it
just doesn't match yours.

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article <d7spi.4665$7V6.2400@trnddc03>,
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>
>> > hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
>> > under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages and
>> > kings.
>
>> And one other thing, the CS wines are all blended, they put them up
>> against
>> vintage wines. A very strange contest indeed.
>
> Not mutually exclusive. The winning CS chardonnay was vintage.

They don't make a vintage. Do you know what blended wines are? Do you know
what wine is? Can you tell it from Kool-Aid?

Paul

>
>
>> I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with some
>> very
>> strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in any
>> category other than table.
>
>
> The California State Fair has different criteria than most. Perhaps it
> just doesn't match yours.

In article <b7Fpi.4315$ib7.4127@trnddc02>,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article <d7spi.4665$7V6.2400@trnddc03>,
> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> > hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
> >> > under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages and
> >> > kings.
> >
> >> And one other thing, the CS wines are all blended, they put them up
> >> against
> >> vintage wines. A very strange contest indeed.
> >
> > Not mutually exclusive. The winning CS chardonnay was vintage.
>
> They don't make a vintage.

It was a 2005 vintage:

http://www.bigfun.org/fair/pdfs/comp...sbyWineryAward
Class.pdf

If you have a problem with this, please take it to the California State
Fair Board. I have no control over them.


Do you know what blended wines are?

Yes, but I guess you don't.

> Do you know
> what wine is?

Yes.

>

> Can you tell it from Kool-Aid?
>

I suspect that you could make something like wine from Kool-Aid. I'm
not going to try it, but you are welcome to try, if it excites you.


> > The California State Fair has different criteria than most. Perhaps it
> > just doesn't match yours.

Try reading this.

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article <b7Fpi.4315$ib7.4127@trnddc02>,
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article <d7spi.4665$7V6.2400@trnddc03>,
> > > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> > hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
> > >> > under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages
and
> > >> > kings.
> > >
> > >> And one other thing, the CS wines are all blended, they put them up
> > >> against
> > >> vintage wines. A very strange contest indeed.
> > >
> > > Not mutually exclusive. The winning CS chardonnay was vintage.
> >
> > They don't make a vintage.
>
> It was a 2005 vintage:
>
> http://www.bigfun.org/fair/pdfs/comp...sbyWineryAward
> Class.pdf
>
> If you have a problem with this, please take it to the California State
> Fair Board. I have no control over them.

I don't have a problem with a private wine tasting party.

TJs does not sell or market a vintage Chardonnay under the Charles Shaw
brand which they own. They clearly presented a wine for judging that is not
representative of the brand and in this case not even in the same category
at all. What was tasted by the judges was almost surely not what they sell
in the bottles. And that is not at all unique to these contests. They are
private affairs and all kinds of shit goes on at them.

You do not see competitions for vintage Chablis for a very good reason.
There is no such thing. It is a "non-vintage" blended wine as is CS
Chardonnay. If you knew something you'd know that what they are talking
about is when it was bottled, not when the grapes were harvested. To be a
vintage wine it must be 100% from grapes grown that year. It goes further
with estate bottling but that is another story. CS wines are blended from
several different years and appellations. Which is why it does not taste
the same every year. It varies quite a lot. This years Cab is pretty lame,
but last years was much better. But that is not a vintage, it is just
better blending.

Now this line of interrogation is getting absurd. I said "I" find the wines
a good value and drinkable. I stated "I" think the contest was fishy. I
stated "I" find a lot of under 5 dollar bottles of wine to be vastly
superior. Hell I can name a box wine that runs circles around CS.

That is "my" opinion. Take it or leave it.

Paul

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:29:24 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:28:51 -0000, wrote:
>>
>> >On Jul 22, 4:40 pm, "James Silverton" >
>> >wrote:
>> >> Potomac, Maryland > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> On Jul 22, 12:45 pm, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > notbob wrote on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:01:25 -0500:
>> >> >
>> >> > ??>> I guess standards differ. TJs wines are drinkable but I've
>> >> > ??>> not had a *great* bottle of wine for $5 since the 1960s
>> >> > ??>> :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > n> I have. A 1L bottle, no less. Back around '92-93, Woodside
>> >> > n> was closing out the previous year's bottling of Zinfandel.
>> >> > n> They were discounting it all over town and I was just
>> >> > n> getting started on wines. I bought out all the places that
>> >> > n> still had some, about 6 cases from different stores, all
>> >> > n> bottled in different places, all about $5-6. Most of it was
>> >> > n> just ok, a few bottles had turned, but there were 4-5
>> >> > n> bottles that were spectacular, even by a neophyte's
>> >> > n> standards.
>> >> >
>> >> > n> While not a $5 bottle, Gallo had a cab in '94 that was
>> >> > n> fantastic for only $9-10. When people caught on, it went
>> >> > n> like wildfire. I wish I still had some of those.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not to downgrade the bargain too much, $10 in 1994 is equivalent
>> >> > to $13-14 now and $14 will get you a very decent bottle of OZ
>> >> > Shiraz. Spending over $20 will get something verging on very
>> >> > good.
>> >> >
>> >> > James Silverton
>> >> > Potomac, Maryland
>> >>
>> >> help me out James, still a novice here, although my hubby enjoys
>> >> expensive champagne. Let me ask you how a cheap wine WINS a
>> >> competition like this TJ wine did, if you can't get anything good for
>> >> under $20.00. I am not doubting you or causing a fight. Just wonder,
>> >> really, how a wine can win if it is only a couple of bucks but real
>> >> wine drinkers insist it can't be good. How do they finagle those darn
>> >> contests? >B.T.
>> >>
>> >> It depends a lot on how tastings and competitions are organized. Most
>of
>> >> the stuff reported is anecdotal. The only way to really rate wines is a
>> >> blind tasting like the famous one of 1976 where California wines came
>out
>> >> ahead of French and most of the tasters were French. The French have
>been
>> >> proclaiming "We wuz robbed" ever since. If Wine Spectator were not in
>the
>> >> business of selling wine, they might be a lot more honest.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jim Silverton
>> >
>> >Thank you Jim! I suspect that often a cheap wine gets good marks only
>> >because it is a remarkable bargain. I'd prefer to have wines reviewed
>> >next to each other without regard of any kind for the price. Than you
>> >could really see what the honest feedback is. > B.T.
>>
>> um, it was a blind tasting. do you know what that means?
>
>It means TJs threatened to gouge out the eyes of the judges if their wine
>wasn 't a winnner.
>
>Paul
>

um, trader joe's sells the wine it doesn't make it. another astute
observation from paul.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:11:24 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >,
>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:04:42 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >> In article <wHbpi.3395$7w.1456@trnddc05>,
>> > >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>> > >> > Wine contests are all classified into varietals and price. You do
>not
>> > >see a
>> > >> > 2 dollar wine competing with a 20 dollar wine. The TJs wine was
>> > >probably in
>> > >> > the "under 5 dollar" category.
>> > >>
>> > >> It was the California State Fair.
>> > >>
>> > >> It was a blind tasting.
>> > >>
>> > >> There were no price categories.
>> > >>
>> > >> The wine was bottled by Charles Shaw, which sells mostly through TJs
>but
>> > >> isn't part of it.
>> > >>
>> > >> It was a chardonnay, competing against other chardonnays.
>> > >
>> > >I'd have to see the lineup. The Charles Shaw Chardonnay is something I
>> > >drink often and cook with. It's no where close to Sutter Home's
>offering at
>> > >about 3.50 a bottle. Smoking Loon is great at 4.95 on average. BV
>makes a
>> > >jug wine offering for about 9 bucks (1.50 liters) and it is night and
>day
>> > >better than CS.
>>
>> > hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
>> > under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages and
>> > kings.
>>
>>
>> Paul is never wrong. There are many people like this. I tend to avoid
>> them. I ran into many where I used to work. I just went to their
>> bosses and explained the facts. This didn't make me popular.
>>
>> Here is a URL:
>>
>> http://apps.calexpo.com/fair/WhatsNe...asp?PRelId=157
>
>Why don't you just have your own tasting then? I had a Clos du Bois last
>night that was quite lovely, cost 6 bucks and was in a whole other league
>than CS.
>
>Or maybe you just can't taste the difference? That is a distinct
>possibility.
>
>Paul
>
why bother to hold your own tasting when you can make up shit about
the way someone else's was done? it's so much easier.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:08:57 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:04:42 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> In article <wHbpi.3395$7w.1456@trnddc05>,
>> >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > > expensive champagne. Let me ask you how a cheap wine WINS a
>> >> > > competition like this TJ wine did, if you can't get anything good
>for
>> >> > > under $20.00. I am not doubting you or causing a fight. Just
>wonder,
>> >> > > really, how a wine can win if it is only a couple of bucks but real
>> >> > > wine drinkers insist it can't be good. How do they finagle those
>darn
>> >> > > contests? >B.T.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Wine contests are all classified into varietals and price. You do
>not
>> >see a
>> >> > 2 dollar wine competing with a 20 dollar wine. The TJs wine was
>> >probably in
>> >> > the "under 5 dollar" category.
>> >>
>> >> It was the California State Fair.
>> >>
>> >> It was a blind tasting.
>> >>
>> >> There were no price categories.
>> >>
>> >> The wine was bottled by Charles Shaw, which sells mostly through TJs
>but
>> >> isn't part of it.
>> >>
>> >> It was a chardonnay, competing against other chardonnays.
>> >
>> >I'd have to see the lineup. The Charles Shaw Chardonnay is something I
>> >drink often and cook with. It's no where close to Sutter Home's offering
>at
>> >about 3.50 a bottle. Smoking Loon is great at 4.95 on average. BV makes
>a
>> >jug wine offering for about 9 bucks (1.50 liters) and it is night and day
>> >better than CS.
>> >
>> >Here's one guy's take on it.
>> >
>>
>>http://blog.winemag.com/index.php/20...wo-buck-chuck/
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
>>
>> hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
>> under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages and
>> kings.
>
>
>Eat me, Blake - I just don't give a damn about your shit. OK?
>
>And one other thing, the CS wines are all blended, they put them up against
>vintage wines. A very strange contest indeed. And unlike you I actually go
>to wine contests and wine tastings whenever I get the chance. Seeing as how
>I live in California I get the chance more than some flyover dipshit like
>you.
>
>Now if my comments bug you, you can just be a big boy and shut the **** up
>and stop whining like a little girl. I know wines, and I will post any
>thoughts I have about them and I don't need some asshole telling me what I
>can or cannot do. And if you can't do that then just killfile me.
>
>I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with some very
>strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in any
>category other than table.
>
>Paul
>

i don't give a shit about wine. i just like to twit pompous assholes
who can't admit they're wrong. i don't even have to fly over
anyplace.

(incidently paul, i live on the east coast, so insulting the
heartlanders doesn't cut any ice with me.)

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:55:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2007-07-24, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>>
>> > I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with some
>very
>> > strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in any
>> > category other than table.
>>
>> Non illigitamus carborundum!
>>
>> I've been drinking CS wine since its intoduction. I like CS. I like
>> good wines. I'm sorry, but CS chard is not a "good" wine. It's good
>> for the money. It's good for cooking. It's good for a cheap drunk.
>> BUT! ...it's not even on the same planet as "good" wine. Adequate.
>> Decent. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! Double
>> gold medal? Someone is on drugs and it ain't me.
>>
>
>That's what I've been saying all along. Blake the flake just can't seem to
>deal with it, though. CS is fine for the table, fine for cooking but an
>award winner? Fugghedaboudit!!!
>
>Paul
>

i haven't been talking about wine, i've been talking about you.

oh, and i haven't been called 'blake the flake" since around fourth
grade or so. as i recall, it replaced 'blake the snake' after a long
run amongst witty third graders.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:55:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 2007-07-24, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with
some
> >very
> >> > strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in
any
> >> > category other than table.
> >>
> >> Non illigitamus carborundum!
> >>
> >> I've been drinking CS wine since its intoduction. I like CS. I like
> >> good wines. I'm sorry, but CS chard is not a "good" wine. It's good
> >> for the money. It's good for cooking. It's good for a cheap drunk.
> >> BUT! ...it's not even on the same planet as "good" wine. Adequate.
> >> Decent. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! Double
> >> gold medal? Someone is on drugs and it ain't me.
> >>
> >
> >That's what I've been saying all along. Blake the flake just can't seem
to
> >deal with it, though. CS is fine for the table, fine for cooking but an
> >award winner? Fugghedaboudit!!!
> >
> >Paul
> >
>
> i haven't been talking about wine, i've been talking about you.
>
> oh, and i haven't been called 'blake the flake" since around fourth
> grade or so. as i recall, it replaced 'blake the snake' after a long
> run amongst witty third graders.


See, they knew it even at that young an age.

Paul

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:08:57 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"blake murphy" > wrote in message
> .. .

> >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:04:42 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> >> > wrote:

> >> >"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> >> ...

> >> >> In article <wHbpi.3395$7w.1456@trnddc05>,
> >> >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> >> >> > Wine contests are all classified into varietals and price. You do
> >not
> >> >see a
> >> >> > 2 dollar wine competing with a 20 dollar wine. The TJs wine was
> >> >probably in
> >> >> > the "under 5 dollar" category.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was the California State Fair.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was a blind tasting.
> >> >>
> >> >> There were no price categories.
> >> >>
> >> >> The wine was bottled by Charles Shaw, which sells mostly through TJs
> >but
> >> >> isn't part of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was a chardonnay, competing against other chardonnays.
> >> >
> >> >I'd have to see the lineup. The Charles Shaw Chardonnay is something I
> >> >drink often and cook with.

> >> hey, paul, what happened to 'i guess i was wrong - they weren't all
> >> under five dollars'? then we can get back to discussing cabbages
> >And one other thing, the CS wines are all blended, they put them up against
> >vintage wines.

> >Now if my comments bug you, you can just be a big boy and shut the **** up
> >and stop whining like a little girl. I know wines, and I will post any
> >thoughts I have about them and I don't need some asshole telling me what I
> >can or cannot do.

> i don't give a shit about wine. i just like to twit pompous assholes
> who can't admit they're wrong.

I'm sorry, Blake. We are just going to have to defer to Paul's
judgement. After all, he knows all about this wine and we don't.

The fact that, as far as I know, it hasn't been released to the public
yet, shouldn't affect Paul's ability to judge it.

In article <w9spi.4666$7V6.27@trnddc03>,
"Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...

> Or maybe you just can't taste the difference? That is a distinct
> possibility.


Could be. Then again, I don't claim to be a wine judge or even any kind
of expert:

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/articl...337/-1/xmlnews

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:47:53 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article <b7Fpi.4315$ib7.4127@trnddc02>,
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>> Do you know
>> what wine is?
>
>Yes.
>
>>
>
>> Can you tell it from Kool-Aid?
>>
>
>I suspect that you could make something like wine from Kool-Aid. I'm
>not going to try it, but you are welcome to try, if it excites you.

i'm pretty sure you could, if you make the kool-aid from sugar.
consult a local ex-con.

your pal,
blake
>
>
>> > The California State Fair has different criteria than most. Perhaps it
>> > just doesn't match yours.
>
>Try reading this.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:18:51 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:55:41 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"notbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On 2007-07-24, Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I'll say it again - it must have been a very strange contest with
>some
>> >very
>> >> > strange judges to put that incredibly mediocre wine as a winner in
>any
>> >> > category other than table.
>> >>
>> >> Non illigitamus carborundum!
>> >>
>> >> I've been drinking CS wine since its intoduction. I like CS. I like
>> >> good wines. I'm sorry, but CS chard is not a "good" wine. It's good
>> >> for the money. It's good for cooking. It's good for a cheap drunk.
>> >> BUT! ...it's not even on the same planet as "good" wine. Adequate.
>> >> Decent. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick! Double
>> >> gold medal? Someone is on drugs and it ain't me.
>> >>
>> >
>> >That's what I've been saying all along. Blake the flake just can't seem
>to
>> >deal with it, though. CS is fine for the table, fine for cooking but an
>> >award winner? Fugghedaboudit!!!
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
>>
>> i haven't been talking about wine, i've been talking about you.
>>
>> oh, and i haven't been called 'blake the flake" since around fourth
>> grade or so. as i recall, it replaced 'blake the snake' after a long
>> run amongst witty third graders.
>
>
>See, they knew it even at that young an age.
>
>Paul
>

presumably, they've learned something since then, or at least become
funnier. look to them as a guide.

your pal,
blake

On Jul 24, 11:04 am, Kyle > wrote:
> I think Two Buck Chuck (it's three bucks on the east coast) is fine
> for the price.
>
> The real bargain at TJ's -- west coast ones, anyway -- is their beer.
> You can get good microbrews and imported beers at several dollars less
> per six-pack than they are anywhere else.
>
> TJ's also often has two or three German or Czech pilsners at a mere
> $3.99 a six-pack, which is outrageous. The Germans and Czechs don't
> "pad" their pilsners with rice or corn; and they add hops to a degree
> that they can actually be appreciated.

Kyle, you are right on target there. My husband LOVES the Euro beers
he picks up at TJ's. However, we don't find their prices on some other
US produced beers all that great (they have a lot of $6.99 and $7.99
six packs, which might be a 50¢ savings or maybe $1.00 at best. >B.T.

wrote on Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:08:31 -0000:

b> On Jul 24, 11:04 am, Kyle > wrote:
??>> I think Two Buck Chuck (it's three bucks on the east
??>> coast) is fine for the price.
??>>
??>> The real bargain at TJ's -- west coast ones, anyway -- is
??>> their beer. You can get good microbrews and imported beers
??>> at several dollars less per six-pack than they are
??>> anywhere else.
??>>
Good to know but I'd have to travel down South [ cross the
Potomac River ;-( ] to find TJs with licences.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

> wrote in message
oups.com...

Kyle, you are right on target there. My husband LOVES the Euro beers
he picks up at TJ's. However, we don't find their prices on some other
US produced beers all that great (they have a lot of $6.99 and $7.99
six packs, which might be a 50¢ savings or maybe $1.00 at best. >B.T.

Here in Virginia, the same Buckler's at TJ's that is $3.99, is $6.99 in CT
at a liquor store.
Non-alcoholic, that is.
Dee Dee