I Eat 33,000 Calories a Day
on The Learning Channel (TLC)
07/21/2007 - 08/21/2007

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Food Addictions

Morbidly obese case studies.

In no uncertain terms it's shocking!!!

Andy

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:57:40 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>I Eat 33,000 Calories a Day
>on The Learning Channel (TLC)
>07/21/2007 - 08/21/2007
>
>Check local listings
>
>
>Food Addictions
>
>Morbidly obese case studies.
>
>In no uncertain terms it's shocking!!!
>
>Andy

I saw a show there last week with a guy who weighed 775 pounds. He
needed surgery but wouldn't stop eating to bring his weight down to a
level that surgery was safe. Pretty twisted IMO. They never said who
was supporting his fat ass. The only job he could possible get would
be as a wrecking ball.

Lou

On Jul 22, 11:31 pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:57:40 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
> >I Eat 33,000 Calories a Day
> >on The Learning Channel (TLC)
> >07/21/2007 - 08/21/2007
>
> >Check local listings
>
> >Food Addictions
>
> >Morbidly obese case studies.
>
> >In no uncertain terms it's shocking!!!
>
> >Andy
>
> I saw a show there last week with a guy who weighed 775 pounds. He
> needed surgery but wouldn't stop eating to bring his weight down to a
> level that surgery was safe. Pretty twisted IMO. They never said who
> was supporting his fat ass. The only job he could possible get would
> be as a wrecking ball.
>
> Lou

Ya know, these people can't even get up to use the toilet, let alone
go to the store to buy all this food.

When are their enablers going to be taken to task?

Andy wrote:
> I Eat 33,000 Calories a Day
> on The Learning Channel (TLC)
> 07/21/2007 - 08/21/2007
>
> Check local listings
>
>
> Food Addictions
>
> Morbidly obese case studies.
>
> In no uncertain terms it's shocking!!!
>
> Andy

There was a recent documentary here on some similar cases being treated
in Italian hospitals. It appeared, it was said, that something was
wrong with the ability to make the hormone that turns the appetite off.
Ergo, these people felt like they were starving all the time.

One fellow was in Mexico and was being treated from afar because they
couldn't fly him here.

Italians are overall a relatively slim population, so the morbidly obese
are even more noticeable and people worry.

--
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"Jeremy Bentham" > wrote

> On Jul 22, 11:31 pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:

>> I saw a show there last week with a guy who weighed 775 pounds. He
>> needed surgery but wouldn't stop eating to bring his weight down to a
>> level that surgery was safe. Pretty twisted IMO. They never said who
>> was supporting his fat ass. The only job he could possible get would
>> be as a wrecking ball.

> Ya know, these people can't even get up to use the toilet, let alone
> go to the store to buy all this food.
>
> When are their enablers going to be taken to task?

I don't understand it myself. There was some person who was so
enormous they had to take down a wall to remove them from the
house. His sister or whoever said she brought him two dozen
donuts every morning (and that was just the beginning) ... I guess
it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.

Must be something else going on that I don't get.

nancy

Nancy Young said...

> I guess
> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.


One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food he'd
dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a bucket
and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange money
for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to eat,
just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.

He did have standards. "Never, never, never, never, ever, never order
delivery at night!"

After that program another, "The world's largest man" came on. A portly
1,240 lb. man. So many rolls and folds of flesh it didn't look humanly
possible to get like that. Well, any of them for that matter.

No purpose in life other than eating. They're practically not humans, just
beings.

[shudder]

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote

> Nancy Young said...
>
>> I guess
>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.

> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food
> he'd
> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
> bucket
> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange money
> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to eat,
> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.

That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
You gotta wonder.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
> I don't understand it myself. There was some person who was so
> enormous they had to take down a wall to remove them from the
> house. His sister or whoever said she brought him two dozen
> donuts every morning (and that was just the beginning) ... I guess
> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>
> Must be something else going on that I don't get.


It's a strange world and people will always find someone else to blame. A
few months ago I watched a program on television about a thousand pound
man. It was sickening. The guy was pathetic. They laid out a sample of the
food the guy eats on a daily basis. There was hardly space in the room for
all the plates of food. His daily intake was considerable more than my
total groceries for the two of us for a week. Obviously he had help along
the way. I find it difficult to understand how an individual cannot see
their own problem and act on it, but it is even harder to understand how
those around a person like that can enable it.

Nancy Young said...

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote
>
>> Nancy Young said...
>>
>>> I guess
>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>
>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food
>> he'd
>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>> bucket
>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
money
>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
eat,
>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>
> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
> You gotta wonder.
>
> nancy


Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability pay
and welfare, etc.

Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.

It's just sick on so many levels!

Since most of the case studies couldn't even stand and were prisoners of
their beds, I'd think simply canceling all phone privileges and only
feeding them 3 meals a day, at most 3,000 calories a day, (to put them in
reduction mode) would do the trick.

I could picture some hellacious temper tantrums for a while! Sorry, no
mercy! It's for your own good!!! I would be nervous when the time came that
they could not only stand but make it out the door under their own STEAM!

Andy

Lou Decruss said...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:57:40 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>>I Eat 33,000 Calories a Day
>>on The Learning Channel (TLC)
>>07/21/2007 - 08/21/2007
>>
>>Check local listings
>>
>>
>>Food Addictions
>>
>>Morbidly obese case studies.
>>
>>In no uncertain terms it's shocking!!!
>>
>>Andy
>
> I saw a show there last week with a guy who weighed 775 pounds. He
> needed surgery but wouldn't stop eating to bring his weight down to a
> level that surgery was safe. Pretty twisted IMO. They never said who
> was supporting his fat ass. The only job he could possible get would
> be as a wrecking ball.
>
> Lou


Did you see the History Channel's "HOOKED: Cocaine"? It documents cocaine
and it's history and dangerous usage..

They very quickly made their point. They gave monkeys IV doses of cocaine
and then after a time gave the monkeys a choice of socializing with other
monkeys or staying alone and getting dosed with cocaine. The monkeys
preferred to stay alone with cocaine. Eventually the monkeys got to choose
between cocaine and food and they chose cocaine over food and eventually
starved to death!

YI-YI-YIKES!!!

Opposite extremes but similar excessses wouldn't you agree?

Andy

Andy wrote:
>
> Nancy Young said...
>
> >
> > "Andy" <q> wrote
> >
> >> Nancy Young said...
> >>
> >>> I guess
> >>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
> >>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
> >
> >> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food
> >> he'd
> >> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
> >> bucket
> >> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
> money
> >> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
> eat,
> >> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
> >
> > That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
> > Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
> > You gotta wonder.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability pay
> and welfare, etc.
>
> Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>
> It's just sick on so many levels!
>
> Since most of the case studies couldn't even stand and were prisoners of
> their beds, I'd think simply canceling all phone privileges and only
> feeding them 3 meals a day, at most 3,000 calories a day, (to put them in
> reduction mode) would do the trick.

I'm no expert, but I'd think 3,000 calories a day would equal sudden
death, not reduction mode for a half ton being. Think you'd have to go a
little more gradually than that.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>Nancy Young said...
>
>>
>> "Andy" <q> wrote
>>
>>> Nancy Young said...
>>>
>>>> I guess
>>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>>
>>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food
>>> he'd
>>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>>> bucket
>>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
>money
>>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
>eat,
>>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>>
>> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
>> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
>> You gotta wonder.
>>
>> nancy
>
>
>Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability pay
>and welfare, etc.
>
>Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>
>It's just sick on so many levels!
>

inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?

do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?

incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
> >Nancy Young said...
> >
> >>
> >> "Andy" <q> wrote
> >>
> >>> Nancy Young said...
> >>>
> >>>> I guess
> >>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
> >>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
> >>
> >>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food
> >>> he'd
> >>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
> >>> bucket
> >>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
> >money
> >>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
> >eat,
> >>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
> >>
> >> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
> >> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
> >> You gotta wonder.
> >>
> >> nancy
> >
> >
> >Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability pay
> >and welfare, etc.
> >
> >Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
> >
> >It's just sick on so many levels!
> >
>
> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>
> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>
> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.

It may be a politically incorrect conclusion, but it is not an
unreasonable one. In the various obesity related programs I've seen, I
don't recall a single subject that was actively working any sort of job,
despite the fact that there are many jobs that they could be capable of,
including ones with decent pay.

blake murphy said...

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>>Nancy Young said...
>>
>>>
>>> "Andy" <q> wrote
>>>
>>>> Nancy Young said...
>>>>
>>>>> I guess
>>>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>>>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>>>
>>>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh
>>>> food he'd
>>>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>>>> bucket
>>>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
>>money
>>>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
>>eat,
>>>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>>>
>>> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
>>> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
>>> You gotta wonder.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>>Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability
>>pay and welfare, etc.
>>
>>Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>>
>>It's just sick on so many levels!
>>
>
> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?

Compassion has it's limits. At some poundage on the way up, it's clear they
don't want to help themselves or accept help from others.

Would you call the parents that feed them tables of food compassionate???

Andy

Pete C. said...

>> Since most of the case studies couldn't even stand and were prisoners of
>> their beds, I'd think simply canceling all phone privileges and only
>> feeding them 3 meals a day, at most 3,000 calories a day, (to put them in
>> reduction mode) would do the trick.
>
> I'm no expert, but I'd think 3,000 calories a day would equal sudden
> death, not reduction mode for a half ton being. Think you'd have to go a
> little more gradually than that.


Perhaps at first 3,000 would be little low and maybe there would be some
shock to the system involved. OK, I'm no doc. Still, for 5,000 calories (two
days worth for an average male), you can eat a whole lot more rice, beans,
fish, skim milk, fruits and veggies in a day than you can eating pizza,
french fries, twinkies and soda.

Andy

On Jul 23, 1:40 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.

Incidentally, good job on jumping to the conclusion that people on
disability or welfare are "worthless".

Pete C. wrote:

> It may be a politically incorrect conclusion, but it is not an
> unreasonable one. In the various obesity related programs I've seen, I
> don't recall a single subject that was actively working any sort of job,
> despite the fact that there are many jobs that they could be capable of,
> including ones with decent pay.

I've cared for some of these patients. One guy was probably 750 pounds,
but thankfully still able to walk somewhat but as you say wasn't able to
work. And I've also cared for smaller (in the 350-400 pound range)
patients who were actually malnourished!

What I found amusing was that the 750 pound guy lived on the computer,
even bringing his laptop into the hospital with him. He was very witty
and interesting. Made me wonder if he was one of those tall, dark, rich
men one seems to run into in some chats.....? Or perhaps he was that
nubile, lusty busty virgins AOL chats used to be so famous for..? LOL

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > It may be a politically incorrect conclusion, but it is not an
> > unreasonable one. In the various obesity related programs I've seen, I
> > don't recall a single subject that was actively working any sort of job,
> > despite the fact that there are many jobs that they could be capable of,
> > including ones with decent pay.
>
> I've cared for some of these patients. One guy was probably 750 pounds,
> but thankfully still able to walk somewhat but as you say wasn't able to
> work. And I've also cared for smaller (in the 350-400 pound range)
> patients who were actually malnourished!

I didn't say anything about not being able to work, I said not actively
working. There are many jobs that such a person could readily do, not
every job requires mobility.

I think the fact that active work seems to be a rarity for these
patients probably ties back to the underlying problems related to their
condition and probably lack of self esteem and general hopelessness
resulting from their condition.

I wouldn't be surprised if getting some of these folks working some
suitable job (i.e. something requiring a phone and / or computer and not
requiring mobility) might be beneficial in dealing with their problems
as well. Not that their problems are all mental, but getting them to not
feel worthless and to have some interaction with the rest of the world
has got to be helpful.

>
> What I found amusing was that the 750 pound guy lived on the computer,
> even bringing his laptop into the hospital with him. He was very witty
> and interesting. Made me wonder if he was one of those tall, dark, rich
> men one seems to run into in some chats.....? Or perhaps he was that
> nubile, lusty busty virgins AOL chats used to be so famous for..? LOL

Dunno, I'm the same crotchety old techie both online and in person.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...

> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>
> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>
> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.

I just saw the show last night about the Mexican man. He has giant tumors
on his legs that they estimate weigh over 100 pounds each. I believe this
was part of the start of the problem. The tumors make it impossible for him
to walk, leaving him bed ridden.

Julie Bove said...

> I just saw the show last night about the Mexican man. He has giant
> tumors on his legs that they estimate weigh over 100 pounds each. I
> believe this was part of the start of the problem. The tumors make it
> impossible for him to walk, leaving him bed ridden.


The tumors began after he was already large and bed-ridden. It was no doubt a
combination of bed sores and lack of circulation and lack of cleanliness.

Would you imagine seeing such things on an able-bodied man?

Andy

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:04:09 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>> >Nancy Young said...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Andy" <q> wrote
>> >>
>> >>> Nancy Young said...
>> >>>
>> >>>> I guess
>> >>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>> >>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>> >>
>> >>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh food
>> >>> he'd
>> >>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>> >>> bucket
>> >>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
>> >money
>> >>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
>> >eat,
>> >>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>> >>
>> >> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
>> >> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
>> >> You gotta wonder.
>> >>
>> >> nancy
>> >
>> >
>> >Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability pay
>> >and welfare, etc.
>> >
>> >Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>> >
>> >It's just sick on so many levels!
>> >
>>
>> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
>> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>>
>> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
>> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
>> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>>
>> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
>> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.
>
>It may be a politically incorrect conclusion, but it is not an
>unreasonable one. In the various obesity related programs I've seen, I
>don't recall a single subject that was actively working any sort of job,
>despite the fact that there are many jobs that they could be capable of,
>including ones with decent pay.

maybe it's because no one give a shit if a fat person is rich. except
for al gore.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:11:24 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>blake murphy said...
>
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>>>Nancy Young said...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Andy" <q> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Nancy Young said...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>>>>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>>>>
>>>>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh
>>>>> food he'd
>>>>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>>>>> bucket
>>>>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
>>>money
>>>>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
>>>eat,
>>>>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>>>>
>>>> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
>>>> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
>>>> You gotta wonder.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>>Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability
>>>pay and welfare, etc.
>>>
>>>Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>>>
>>>It's just sick on so many levels!
>>>
>>
>> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
>> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>
>Compassion has it's limits. At some poundage on the way up, it's clear they
>don't want to help themselves or accept help from others.
>
>Would you call the parents that feed them tables of food compassionate???
>
>Andy

not really. but i get a whiff of people saying 'ooh, how gross' are
also subliminally saying 'at least i'm not fat. or at least, not
*that* fat. yay me!'

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:32:37 -0700, Jeremy Bentham
> wrote:

>On Jul 23, 1:40 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
>> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.
>
>Incidentally, good job on jumping to the conclusion that people on
>disability or welfare are "worthless".

not my conclusion, honey.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:36:31 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
>> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>>
>> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
>> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
>> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>>
>> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
>> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.
>
>I just saw the show last night about the Mexican man. He has giant tumors
>on his legs that they estimate weigh over 100 pounds each. I believe this
>was part of the start of the problem. The tumors make it impossible for him
>to walk, leaving him bed ridden.
>

i'm not surprised.

yet the reaction here has not been, 'that poor man. he's sick!' but
rather 'jeez, that's disgusting! where's his self respect? why
aren't his loved ones starving him?'

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:32:37 -0700, Jeremy Bentham
> > wrote:
>
>>On Jul 23, 1:40 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
>>> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.
>>
>>Incidentally, good job on jumping to the conclusion that people on
>>disability or welfare are "worthless".
>
> not my conclusion, honey.

Your words.

nancy

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:11:24 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>>blake murphy said...
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Nancy Young said...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andy" <q> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nancy Young said...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>>>>>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh
>>>>>> food he'd
>>>>>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>>>>>> bucket
>>>>>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
>>>>money
>>>>>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
>>>>eat,
>>>>>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
>>>>> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
>>>>> You gotta wonder.
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability
>>>>pay and welfare, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>>>>
>>>>It's just sick on so many levels!
>>>>
>>>
>>> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
>>> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>>
>>Compassion has it's limits. At some poundage on the way up, it's clear
>>they
>>don't want to help themselves or accept help from others.
>>
>>Would you call the parents that feed them tables of food compassionate???
>>
>>Andy
>
> not really. but i get a whiff of people saying 'ooh, how gross' are
> also subliminally saying 'at least i'm not fat. or at least, not
> *that* fat. yay me!'
>

I think this is true.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:16:27 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:11:24 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>>>blake murphy said...
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Nancy Young said...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andy" <q> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nancy Young said...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>>>> it just sounds easy to us but, maybe you should stop bringing him
>>>>>>>> donuts?? Not like he's running out to the store if you don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the case studies, stuck in his bed, if he didn't get fresh
>>>>>>> food he'd
>>>>>>> dial out for delivery. Then when it arrived, he'd put his money in a
>>>>>>> bucket
>>>>>>> and lower it by rope five floors and the delivery guy would exchange
>>>>>money
>>>>>>> for food. Then he'd hoist it up and chow down, not even sitting up to
>>>>>eat,
>>>>>>> just laying on his side. With an oxygen breathing tube in his nose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's crazy. Is he independently wealthy? That's got to cost.
>>>>>> Besides, if he's paying cash, someone's bringing that home to him.
>>>>>> You gotta wonder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep! I wondered about funds. Probably a combination of total disability
>>>>>pay and welfare, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's just sick on so many levels!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
>>>> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>>>
>>>Compassion has it's limits. At some poundage on the way up, it's clear
>>>they
>>>don't want to help themselves or accept help from others.
>>>
>>>Would you call the parents that feed them tables of food compassionate???
>>>
>>>Andy
>>
>> not really. but i get a whiff of people saying 'ooh, how gross' are
>> also subliminally saying 'at least i'm not fat. or at least, not
>> *that* fat. yay me!'
>>
>
>I think this is true.
>

you're just humoring me now, aren't you ?

your pal,
blake

Giusi wrote:
>
>
> One fellow was in Mexico and was being treated from afar because they
> couldn't fly him here.
>
> Italians are overall a relatively slim population, so the morbidly obese
> are even more noticeable and people worry.

I keep hearing that from Italians. What happens when they come to Canada
and the US where the tend to be fat?

blake murphy wrote:
>> >Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
> >
> >It's just sick on so many levels!
> >
>
> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>
> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>
> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.


Well come on Blake. You are the one you associates welfare and disability
with being worthless. Nancy merely speculated that he was on welfare and/or
disability. Let's be realistic. A person who has 500-600 pound *to lose*
he isn't really good for much. She was taking about people who are bed
bound, so grossly overweight that they can't get themselves out of bed.
They can't walk. They don't have bones or muscles strong enough to stand up
and walk. They need help to get into a wheelchair. Some of them are too fat
to fit through doors and that can't get in and out of their homes because
they need a half dozen EMTs to carry them.


I suppose he could suspend reality for a moment and assume they are running
some sort of high tech business from a computer by their beside, but you
and I both know that isn't the case. They are disabled and are suffering
from a serious, life threatening problem. Suggesting that they are on
disability in a reasonable assumption, but since you are so defensive
about the issue and resent the (your) suggestion that they are
useless....... feel free to tell us what use they are. The do nothing but
lay around in bed. They need people to bring them vast quantities of food,
to was their dishes, to wash their dishes and pots and pans, to clean their
clothes, to bathe them, to dress their bed sores, to remove their trash, to
pay for the huge amounts of food they ingest. I am trying to figure out
something beneficial that they do or provide that would make it anything
other than a parasitic relationship. I can't understand why you were so
defensive about them being labelled as useless when it was your assumption
that they are.

"Dave Smith" > wrote

> blake murphy wrote:

>> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
>> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
>> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>>
>> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
>> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.
>
>
> Well come on Blake. You are the one you associates welfare and disability
> with being worthless. Nancy merely speculated that he was on welfare
> and/or
> disability.

Thanks, Dave. I did ask how one could afford all that food and keep
a roof over their heads. I didn't think disability was all that much money.

I didn't think anything at all about people on disability being worthless in
any way, shape or form.

> Let's be realistic. A person who has 500-600 pound *to lose*
> he isn't really good for much. She was taking about people who are bed
> bound, so grossly overweight that they can't get themselves out of bed.

Before it got lost in the 'you're a bad person' chatter, I said that if the
person can't get up to procure their own food, why is someone bringing
them 2 boxes of donuts for breakfast, this is not good for them. I think
it's a bad idea. I don't think it's compassionate to do that.

But, it gives some the chance to pat themselves on the back, to
paraphrase, at least I'm not mean like her.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
> > Well come on Blake. You are the one you associates welfare and disability
> > with being worthless. Nancy merely speculated that he was on welfare
> > and/or
> > disability.
>
> Thanks, Dave. I did ask how one could afford all that food and keep
> a roof over their heads. I didn't think disability was all that much money.
>
> I didn't think anything at all about people on disability being worthless in
> any way, shape or form.
>
> > Let's be realistic. A person who has 500-600 pound *to lose*
> > he isn't really good for much. She was taking about people who are bed
> > bound, so grossly overweight that they can't get themselves out of bed.
>
> Before it got lost in the 'you're a bad person' chatter, I said that if the
> person can't get up to procure their own food, why is someone bringing
> them 2 boxes of donuts for breakfast, this is not good for them. I think
> it's a bad idea. I don't think it's compassionate to do that.

It is a shame to see parents allowing their children to get fat, but there
comes a time when a person has to come to grips with their own body and to
become responsible for themselves. There are lots of people functioning
with a 100-200 lbs extra fat, but when they get past that point they are no
longer in the work force and no longer doing their own cooking. Someone is
enabling them. As much as I believe that it is the individual's
responsibility to deal with their weight, and I try to stay away from the
enabling excuse, that is exactly what happens in these cases. There are
other people looking after these poor souls because they simply cannot get
up to feed themselves and IMO when someone gets to the point where they
cannot to cook their own meals and eat at a table rather than slouched on a
bed like Jabba the Hut, it is all the more reason for those enables to
intervene.




>
> But, it gives some the chance to pat themselves on the back, to
> paraphrase, at least I'm not mean like her.
>
> nancy

Dave Smith said...

> It is a shame to see parents allowing their children to get fat


On the other side of THAT coin... it's atrocious to see fat parents with
skinny kids!

As if that's fair?!?

Andy

Dave Smith wrote:

> Giusi wrote:
>
>>Italians are overall a relatively slim population, so the morbidly obese
>>are even more noticeable and people worry.
>
> I keep hearing that from Italians. What happens when they come to Canada
> and the US where the tend to be fat?

One of my friends lives in Southern Brazil and the majority of the
population are Italian (including my friend). The people are tall and
thin. The women wear skin tight jeans and high heels, and the men dress
like they stepped out of GQ. They look very different than my Italian
friends in New Jersey.

Becca

Becca wrote:

> One of my friends lives in Southern Brazil and the majority of the
> population are Italian (including my friend). The people are tall and
> thin. The women wear skin tight jeans and high heels, and the men dress
> like they stepped out of GQ. They look very different than my Italian
> friends in New Jersey.
>
> Becca
Brazilians are known for their obsession with physical beauty. They get
a LOT of cosmetic surgery and procedures to keep them pretty, and they
have an enormous rate of C-section births on demand. From what I've read
about them I almost feel sorry for anyone born plain or not so pretty in
that country, lol.

"Goomba38" > wrote

> Becca wrote:
>
>> One of my friends lives in Southern Brazil and the majority of the
>> population are Italian (including my friend). The people are tall and
>> thin. The women wear skin tight jeans and high heels, and the men dress
>> like they stepped out of GQ. They look very different than my Italian
>> friends in New Jersey.

> Brazilians are known for their obsession with physical beauty. They get a
> LOT of cosmetic surgery and procedures to keep them pretty, and they have
> an enormous rate of C-section births on demand. From what I've read about
> them I almost feel sorry for anyone born plain or not so pretty in that
> country, lol.

How funny, I just got back from the dentist and he and the
dental assistant (I'm sorry, I don't know what the profession is named)
talked about this very subject. He goes to Aruba often, and he was
talking about the beautiful South American women in their bikini bottoms
and she said, how about when they get older, do they keep their figure?
No, absolutely not, he replied. We were laughing, and they still
walk around topless! Same with the older men and their speedos,
you can't even tell they have one on, it's hidden by the belly.

nancy

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:23:42 -0500, Becca > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Giusi wrote:
>>
>>>Italians are overall a relatively slim population, so the morbidly obese
>>>are even more noticeable and people worry.
>>
>> I keep hearing that from Italians. What happens when they come to Canada
>> and the US where the tend to be fat?
>
>One of my friends lives in Southern Brazil and the majority of the
>population are Italian (including my friend). The people are tall and
>thin. The women wear skin tight jeans and high heels, and the men dress
>like they stepped out of GQ. They look very different than my Italian
>friends in New Jersey.
>
>Becca

must be the air.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:56:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>> >Having to bathe in bed, soiling themselves many times a day, etc.
>> >
>> >It's just sick on so many levels!
>> >
>>
>> inadvertently, you've hit the nail on the head. something is wrong
>> with this man's brain or body chemistry. how about some compassion?
>>
>> do you think he's enjoying himself? that he could lose five or six
>> hundred pounds if he just had some will power? have you ever tried to
>> lose (or gain) twenty or thirty?
>>
>> incidentally, good job on jumping to the disability or welfare
>> conclusion. he's fat, so he must be worthless.
>
>
>Well come on Blake. You are the one you associates welfare and disability
>with being worthless. Nancy merely speculated that he was on welfare and/or
>disability. Let's be realistic. A person who has 500-600 pound *to lose*
>he isn't really good for much. She was taking about people who are bed
>bound, so grossly overweight that they can't get themselves out of bed.
>They can't walk. They don't have bones or muscles strong enough to stand up
>and walk. They need help to get into a wheelchair. Some of them are too fat
>to fit through doors and that can't get in and out of their homes because
>they need a half dozen EMTs to carry them.
>
>
>I suppose he could suspend reality for a moment and assume they are running
>some sort of high tech business from a computer by their beside, but you
>and I both know that isn't the case. They are disabled and are suffering
>from a serious, life threatening problem. Suggesting that they are on
>disability in a reasonable assumption, but since you are so defensive
>about the issue and resent the (your) suggestion that they are
>useless....... feel free to tell us what use they are. The do nothing but
>lay around in bed. They need people to bring them vast quantities of food,
>to was their dishes, to wash their dishes and pots and pans, to clean their
>clothes, to bathe them, to dress their bed sores, to remove their trash, to
>pay for the huge amounts of food they ingest. I am trying to figure out
>something beneficial that they do or provide that would make it anything
>other than a parasitic relationship. I can't understand why you were so
>defensive about them being labelled as useless when it was your assumption
>that they are.

by most of those standards stephen hawking must be a burden to
society.

your pal,
blake

Goomba38 wrote:

> Becca wrote:
>
>> One of my friends lives in Southern Brazil and the majority of the
>> population are Italian (including my friend). The people are tall and
>> thin. The women wear skin tight jeans and high heels, and the men
>> dress like they stepped out of GQ. They look very different than my
>> Italian friends in New Jersey.
>>
>> Becca
>
> Brazilians are known for their obsession with physical beauty. They get
> a LOT of cosmetic surgery and procedures to keep them pretty, and they
> have an enormous rate of C-section births on demand. From what I've read
> about them I almost feel sorry for anyone born plain or not so pretty in
> that country, lol.

Funny you should mention that, because my friend in Brazil is a plastic
surgeon. She has done surgery on two of my friends from the US, and I
tagged along.

There is one thing I noticed in a large, galleria shopping center, that
was unusual. They did not have any clothing stores for women, but they
had plenty of clothing stores for men. The women purchase their clothes
in department stores. The women are drop dead gorgeous, they do not
need any extra help. LOL

Becca