A good simple grilling recipe


one package dry taco seasoning
one package dry Italian dressing
16 ounces Pepsi
1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken


Mix the two dry ingredients together in a plastic food/freezer bag then drop
in the chicken and shake to coat.
Pour the Pepsi over the seasoned chicken. Let the carbonation subside before
closing the bag.
Place in the refrigerator and let it marinade for 48 hours (yes, 48 hours).
Remove from bag to grill until done.
Best when grilled over charcoal.


--
Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

"NitroFishBlue" > wrote in message >...
> A good simple grilling recipe
>
>
> one package dry taco seasoning
> one package dry Italian dressing
> 16 ounces Pepsi
> 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken
>
>
> Mix the two dry ingredients together in a plastic food/freezer bag then drop
> in the chicken and shake to coat.
> Pour the Pepsi over the seasoned chicken. Let the carbonation subside before
> closing the bag.
> Place in the refrigerator and let it marinade for 48 hours (yes, 48 hours).
> Remove from bag to grill until done.
> Best when grilled over charcoal.

Has anyone tried this recipe, or should it be filed under Urban Legend?

I want to try it, but can't get the nerve.

Heard it's good for steak, too.

Need testimonials, please,
gracias,
Karen

"Karen O'Mara" > wrote in message
om...
..
>
> Has anyone tried this recipe, or should it be filed under Urban Legend?
>
> I want to try it, but can't get the nerve.
>
> Heard it's good for steak, too.

Might not be bad, but I can't imagine any such recipe
that wouldn't be much better with Coke instead of
Pepsi. With Pepsi, it would just be sweet - you might
as well just use sugar.

Why not try it? What do you have to lose but some
chicken?


Bob M.

>With Pepsi, it would just be sweet - you might
>as well just use sugar.

Isn't soda (Coke, Pepsi, whatever) acidic? If so, then you're definitely
getting something other than sugar going for you. It would tenderize the meat
too!
-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright

You took the words out of my mouth, Bob. 'Course, we're prejudiced. One of
my daughters was VP of Coca-Cola, and for years, we didn't eat 7-Up Salad;
we had Sprite Salad.
>
> Might not be bad, but I can't imagine any such recipe
> that wouldn't be much better with Coke instead of
> Pepsi. With Pepsi, it would just be sweet - you might
> as well just use sugar.
>
> Why not try it? What do you have to lose but some
> chicken?
>
>
> Bob M.
>
>

texpat wrote:
> You took the words out of my mouth, Bob. 'Course, we're prejudiced. One of
> my daughters was VP of Coca-Cola, and for years, we didn't eat 7-Up Salad;
> we had Sprite Salad.
>
>>Might not be bad, but I can't imagine any such recipe
>>that wouldn't be much better with Coke instead of
>>Pepsi. With Pepsi, it would just be sweet - you might
>>as well just use sugar.
>>
>>Why not try it? What do you have to lose but some
>>chicken?
>>
>>
>>Bob M.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Sounds like the same pledge that Cuban born Roberto Goizueta (the man
responsible for bringing Coke to a different global level, and who made
more millionaires in the US stock market's history in such a short
amount of time,) he never drank another Pepsi again.

http://hem.passagen.se/cokeisit/goizueta.html

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

I made this recipe over the weekend. It was great, my husband liked it very
much. What you taste the most is the taco seasoning. The coating will stick
somewhat to the chicken when you pour the Pepsi over it. Allowing it
marinate for 48 hours allows the flavors to seep into the chicken while the
Pepsi does tenderize.


> > one package dry taco seasoning
> > one package dry Italian dressing
> > 16 ounces Pepsi
> > 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken
> >
> >
> > Mix the two dry ingredients together in a plastic food/freezer bag then
drop
> > in the chicken and shake to coat.
> > Pour the Pepsi over the seasoned chicken. Let the carbonation subside
before
> > closing the bag.
> > Place in the refrigerator and let it marinade for 48 hours (yes, 48
hours).
> > Remove from bag to grill until done.
> > Best when grilled over charcoal.
>
> Has anyone tried this recipe, or should it be filed under Urban Legend?
>
> I want to try it, but can't get the nerve.
>
> Heard it's good for steak, too.
>
> Need testimonials, please,
> gracias,
> Karen

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz
> >
> said

>>On 14 Oct 2003 23:34:29 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>With Pepsi, it would just be sweet - you might
>>>>as well just use sugar.
>>>
>>>Isn't soda (Coke, Pepsi, whatever) acidic? If so, then you're definitely
>>>getting something other than sugar going for you. It would tenderize the meat
>>>too!
>>
>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>
>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>your stomach and esophagus.
>>
>>-sw

> Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
> participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
> cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?

Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by a layer
of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic juices in
the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly acidic
solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.
--
Tim.

If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:38 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:

>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:06 GMT, Tim Challenger said
>
>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz said
>>>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>>>
>>>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>>>your stomach and esophagus.
>>>>
>>>>-sw
>>
>>> Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
>>> participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
>>> cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
>>
>>Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by a layer
>>of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic juices in
>>the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly acidic
>>solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.
>
>I never ask a question that I don't know the answer. )

So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the active
ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
purposes.

Robert Klute wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:38 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:06 GMT, Tim Challenger said
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz said
>>>>
>>>>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>>>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>>>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>>>>
>>>>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>>>>your stomach and esophagus.
>>>>>
>>>>>-sw
>>>>
>>>>Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
>>>>participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
>>>>cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
>>>
>>>Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by a layer
>>>of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic juices in
>>>the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly acidic
>>>solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.
>>
>>I never ask a question that I don't know the answer. )
>
>
> So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the active
> ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
> stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
> purposes.

Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
know.

It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.


Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Come on folks, please drop this petty bickering. This started as a simple
recipe with three ingredients plus chicken which has now gone completely
off-topic.

If you want to debate the merits of cola drinks why not start a whole new
thread.

I have made plenty of other recipes that contained cola with no adverse
reactions to anything.

Life is too short to worry over the petty stuff.




"Richard Periut" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Klute wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:38 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:06 GMT, Tim Challenger said
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz said
> >>>>
> >>>>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
> >>>>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
> >>>>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
> >>>>>your stomach and esophagus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-sw
> >>>>
> >>>>Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
> >>>>participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
> >>>>cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
> >>>
> >>>Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by a
layer
> >>>of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic
juices in
> >>>the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly acidic
> >>>solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.
> >>
> >>I never ask a question that I don't know the answer. )
> >
> >
> > So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the active
> > ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
> > stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
> > purposes.
>
> Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
> problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
> know.
>
> It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
> called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
> absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>
>
> Richard
>
> --
> "..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans and a nice chianti..."
>
> Hannibal "The Cannibal"
>
> Silence Of The Lambs 1991
>

In ,
NitroFishBlue > typed:
> Come on folks, please drop this petty bickering. This started as a simple
> recipe with three ingredients plus chicken which has now gone completely
> off-topic.
>
> If you want to debate the merits of cola drinks why not start a whole new
> thread.
>
> I have made plenty of other recipes that contained cola with no adverse
> reactions to anything.
>
> Life is too short to worry over the petty stuff.
>
>
LOL!
Welcome to rec.food.cooking
This can be normal everyday activities here.

BOB

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:09:44 GMT, Richard Periut >
wrote:

>Robert Klute wrote:
>> So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the active
>> ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
>> stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
>> purposes.
>
>Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
>problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
>know.

I don't expect anyone to. Phosphoric acid and sugar have been used as
an anti-nausea medicine for a very long time.

>
>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.

Are you sure? I know excessive fructose and lactose consumption can
cause it. As can sorbitol and mannitol, along with antacids. But I
didn't think saccharin, aspartame, or sucralose could cause it.

>
>
>Richard

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:09:44 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Robert Klute wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:38 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:06 GMT, Tim Challenger said
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz said
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>>>>>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>>>>>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>>>>>>your stomach and esophagus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-sw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
>>>>>>participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
>>>>>>cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by a layer
>>>>>of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic juices in
>>>>>the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly acidic
>>>>>solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.
>>>>
>>>>I never ask a question that I don't know the answer. )
>>>
>>>
>>>So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the active
>>>ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
>>>stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
>>>purposes.
>>
>
> Sheesh. I would make a good troll. I was just using a little poetic
> license.
>
> Lemme guess - Soda Addicts? Y'all work for Coke and Pepsi?
>
>
>>Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
>>problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
>>know.
>
>
> Yes there is. Acid reflux disease is worsenned by caffeine and
> phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is not something you want hanging
> around in your esophagus too long. So while it may not eat out your
> stomach, it certainly can damage the throat.
>
> So there :-P Drink up.
>
> -sw

That is in patients with established disease; and these are not the
significant factors.

I'm talking about non anecdotal studies that prove that drinking cola
beverages produce disease; other than osmotic diarrhea.

Your stomach is constantly changing its inner lining which produces a
thick layer of mucous under normal circumstances.

Bottom line, it's the typical urban legend that people love to believe.

R



--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Cian O'Donnell wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz
> >
> said
>
>
>>On 14 Oct 2003 23:34:29 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>With Pepsi, it would just be sweet - you might
>>>>as well just use sugar.
>>>
>>>Isn't soda (Coke, Pepsi, whatever) acidic? If so, then you're definitely
>>>getting something other than sugar going for you. It would tenderize the meat
>>>too!
>>
>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>
>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>your stomach and esophagus.
>>
>>-sw
>
>
> Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
> participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
> cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
>
> ________________
> Cian O'Donnell

I second the request for a legitimate source for the comment. I hate to
give up my bourbon and soda without a good reason!

Robert Klute wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:09:44 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Robert Klute wrote:
>>
>>>So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the active
>>>ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
>>>stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
>>>purposes.
>>
>>Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
>>problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
>>know.
>
>
> I don't expect anyone to. Phosphoric acid and sugar have been used as
> an anti-nausea medicine for a very long time.
>
>
>>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>
>
> Are you sure? I know excessive fructose and lactose consumption can
> cause it. As can sorbitol and mannitol, along with antacids. But I
> didn't think saccharin, aspartame, or sucralose could cause it.
>
>
>>
>>Richard
>
>

Any sugar that is not absorbed will tend to pull water into the lumen of
the intestines. It exhibits osmotic properties; however, their strength
in producing these effects my vary.

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Richard Periut wrote:
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:09:44 GMT, Richard Periut >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Robert Klute wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:38 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:06 GMT, Tim Challenger said
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz said
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>>>>>>> phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>>>>>>> FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>>>>>>> It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>>>>>>> your stomach and esophagus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
>>>>>>> participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
>>>>>>> cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by
>>>>>> a layer
>>>>>> of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic
>>>>>> juices in
>>>>>> the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly
>>>>>> acidic
>>>>>> solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I never ask a question that I don't know the answer. )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, like aren't the nasty corrosive phosphoric acid and sugar the
>>>> active
>>>> ingrediants in the anti-nausea medicine Emetrol? Yep, must be terrible
>>>> stuff if the FDA allows it to be sold over the counter for medicinal
>>>> purposes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sheesh. I would make a good troll. I was just using a little poetic
>> license.
>> Lemme guess - Soda Addicts? Y'all work for Coke and Pepsi?
>>
>>
>>> Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate
>>> GI problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do
>>> let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes there is. Acid reflux disease is worsenned by caffeine and
>> phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is not something you want hanging
>> around in your esophagus too long. So while it may not eat out your
>> stomach, it certainly can damage the throat.
>>
>> So there :-P Drink up.
>>
>> -sw
>
>
> That is in patients with established disease; and these are not the
> significant factors.
>
> I'm talking about non anecdotal studies that prove that drinking cola
> beverages produce disease; other than osmotic diarrhea.
>
> Your stomach is constantly changing its inner lining which produces a
> thick layer of mucous under normal circumstances.
>
> Bottom line, it's the typical urban legend that people love to believe.
>
> R
>
>
>

BTW, your phosphoric acidity is chicken feed, compared to the gastric
acid your stomach produces. Hence, it makes no sense to say that it's
corrosive to your stomach. The effects of caffeine on reflux is because
it contributes to the relaxation of the lower esophageal sphincter, not
because it directly irritates it.

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Steve wrote:

> Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
> phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
> FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>
> It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
> your stomach and esophagus.

I had the same thought, and suspected the OP of being a troll, especially
after reading that inordinately long marination time.

But here's one that *is* good: Mix together 1 part soy sauce and 2 parts
7-Up, and use the mixture to baste chicken as it grills. You can add some
butter, too, if you like. Yummy.

You mentioned Dr Pepper, and I had thought Dr Pepper (note that there's no
longer a period in Dr) used lactic acid rather than phosphoric.
Checking...no, you're right, Dr Pepper NOW contains phosphoric acid. It
USED to contain lactic acid, but that's no longer the case. I have no idea
when the change took place, but a book written in 1983 contains this
passage: "The only surprise on the label ingredient panel is lactic acid.
This is what gives sour milk its bite. If you hold Dr Pepper in your mouth
a few minutes before swallowing, there is a slight yogurtlike note."

Bob

http://www.wkrc.com/weather/tasty/default.aspx

Here is the link that has this recipe plus many others. It comes from a
local TV station that does a grilling session every week during the summer.
There was a recipe from 2001 that used Coca-Cola, ketchup and something else
as a marinade for beef.



"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On 14 Oct 2003 15:48:05 -0700, (Karen O'Mara) wrote:
>
>
> >"NitroFishBlue" > wrote in message
>...
> >> A good simple grilling recipe
> >>
> >>
> >> one package dry taco seasoning
> >> one package dry Italian dressing
> >> 16 ounces Pepsi
> >> 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken
> >>
> >>
> >> Mix the two dry ingredients together in a plastic food/freezer bag then
drop
> >> in the chicken and shake to coat.
> >> Pour the Pepsi over the seasoned chicken. Let the carbonation subside
before
> >> closing the bag.
> >> Place in the refrigerator and let it marinade for 48 hours (yes, 48
hours).
> >> Remove from bag to grill until done.
> >> Best when grilled over charcoal.
> >
> >Has anyone tried this recipe, or should it be filed under Urban Legend?
>
> The recipe sound fishy to me because I don't understand why you'd
> shake to coat the chicken, and then wash it all off with the soda.
>
> Duh.
>
> -sw

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:53:22 GMT, Richard Periut >
wrote:

>>>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>>>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>>>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>>
>>
>> Are you sure? I know excessive fructose and lactose consumption can
>> cause it. As can sorbitol and mannitol, along with antacids. But I
>> didn't think saccharin, aspartame, or sucralose could cause it.
>
>Any sugar that is not absorbed will tend to pull water into the lumen of
>the intestines. It exhibits osmotic properties; however, their strength
>in producing these effects my vary.

I agree, sugars are hydroscopic and will absorb water. Diet sodas do
not contain any sugars, or other ingredients, that hold water or cause
its release into the GI tract. So, how can diet sodas cause osmotic
diarrhea?

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:12:09 -0400, "NitroFishBlue" >
wrote:

>Come on folks, please drop this petty bickering. This started as a simple
>recipe with three ingredients plus chicken which has now gone completely
>off-topic.
>
>If you want to debate the merits of cola drinks why not start a whole new
>thread.
>
>I have made plenty of other recipes that contained cola with no adverse
>reactions to anything.
>
>Life is too short to worry over the petty stuff.

OK. BTW, Coca-cola makes a great base for a baked ham brine.

Here is one variation (it is at the bottom):

http://www.americastestkitchen.com/RECIPE/350.shtml

Robert Klute wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:53:22 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>>>>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>>>>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you sure? I know excessive fructose and lactose consumption can
>>>cause it. As can sorbitol and mannitol, along with antacids. But I
>>>didn't think saccharin, aspartame, or sucralose could cause it.
>>
>>Any sugar that is not absorbed will tend to pull water into the lumen of
>>the intestines. It exhibits osmotic properties; however, their strength
>>in producing these effects my vary.
>
>
> I agree, sugars are hydroscopic and will absorb water. Diet sodas do
> not contain any sugars, or other ingredients, that hold water or cause
> its release into the GI tract. So, how can diet sodas cause osmotic
> diarrhea?
>

You need to verify where you get your facts from:

Try:

http://www.annecollins.com/weight_he...sweeteners.htm

I'm not saying that all carbonated beverages use sugars that are not
absorbed. But the ones that do, can cause (CAN, not WILL) osmotic
diarrhea. Same goes for gum or any other product that has been
"sweetened" with one of these sugars.

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:51:11 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
>>>>problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
>>>>know.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes there is. Acid reflux disease is worsenned by caffeine and
>>>phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is not something you want hanging
>>>around in your esophagus too long. So while it may not eat out your
>>>stomach, it certainly can damage the throat.
>>>
>>>So there :-P Drink up.
>>
>
>>That is in patients with established disease; and these are not the
>>significant factors.
>
>
> Never mind. You asked, and I gave you.
>
> Knock yerself out guys. Have a pork bone on me.
>
> -sw

You gave me nothing except misinformation. Understand the pathphysiology
of a disease before you attempt to comment on it.

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Richard Periut wrote:

> Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
> problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
> know.


And here is the debunking of that old "Coke is bad for your stomach"
myth:

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp

"The rest of the claims offered here are, in a word, stupid. Coca-Cola
does contain small amounts of citric acid (from the orange, lemon, and
lime oils in its formula) and phosphoric acid. However, all the
insinuations about the dangers these acids might pose to people who
drink Coca-Cola ignore a simple concept familiar to any first-year
chemistry student: concentration. Coca-Cola contains less citric acid
than orange juice does, and the concentration of phosphoric acid in
Coke is far too small (a mere 11 to 13 grams per gallon of syrup, or
about 0.20 to 0.30 per cent of the total formula) to cause harm. The
only people who proffer the ridiculous statements that Coca-Cola will
dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail in a day or two are people who
have never actually tried any of these things, because they just don't
happen. (Anyone who conducts these experiments will find himself at
the end of two days with a whole tooth, a whole nail, and one very
soggy t-bone.)"

</>

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:50:26 GMT, Richard Periut >
wrote:

>Robert Klute wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:53:22 GMT, Richard Periut >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>>>>>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>>>>>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure? I know excessive fructose and lactose consumption can
>>>>cause it. As can sorbitol and mannitol, along with antacids. But I
>>>>didn't think saccharin, aspartame, or sucralose could cause it.
>>>
>>>Any sugar that is not absorbed will tend to pull water into the lumen of
>>>the intestines. It exhibits osmotic properties; however, their strength
>>>in producing these effects my vary.
>>
>>
>> I agree, sugars are hydroscopic and will absorb water. Diet sodas do
>> not contain any sugars, or other ingredients, that hold water or cause
>> its release into the GI tract. So, how can diet sodas cause osmotic
>> diarrhea?
>>
>
>You need to verify where you get your facts from:
>
>Try:
>
>http://www.annecollins.com/weight_he...sweeteners.htm
>
>I'm not saying that all carbonated beverages use sugars that are not
>absorbed. But the ones that do, can cause (CAN, not WILL) osmotic
>diarrhea. Same goes for gum or any other product that has been
>"sweetened" with one of these sugars.

Yes, I suggest you read your own reference.

"Maltitol, Sorbitol and Other Sugar Alcohols
...
All authorities recommend using caution and definitely moderation is
key. Because they are not completely absorbed in the bowel, they have a
nasty reputation of holding onto water, and promoting diarrhea, gas and
bloating. This is politely termed the "laxative effect". Sorbitol and
mannitol are the worst offenders, maltitol and lactitol less so. The
label should indicate the serving size. This is the amount considered
safe to eat before the laxative effect takes over."

The article is talking about sugar alcohols (like sorbitol and mannitol)
when dealing with osmotic diarrhea, not about the artificial sweetners
used in diet sodas: saccharin, aspartame, and sucralose.

Robert Klute wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:50:26 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Robert Klute wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:53:22 GMT, Richard Periut >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>>>>>>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>>>>>>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you sure? I know excessive fructose and lactose consumption can
>>>>>cause it. As can sorbitol and mannitol, along with antacids. But I
>>>>>didn't think saccharin, aspartame, or sucralose could cause it.
>>>>
>>>>Any sugar that is not absorbed will tend to pull water into the lumen of
>>>>the intestines. It exhibits osmotic properties; however, their strength
>>>>in producing these effects my vary.
>>>
>>>
>>>I agree, sugars are hydroscopic and will absorb water. Diet sodas do
>>>not contain any sugars, or other ingredients, that hold water or cause
>>>its release into the GI tract. So, how can diet sodas cause osmotic
>>>diarrhea?
>>>
>>
>>You need to verify where you get your facts from:
>>
>>Try:
>>
>>http://www.annecollins.com/weight_he...sweeteners.htm
>>
>>I'm not saying that all carbonated beverages use sugars that are not
>>absorbed. But the ones that do, can cause (CAN, not WILL) osmotic
>>diarrhea. Same goes for gum or any other product that has been
>>"sweetened" with one of these sugars.
>
>
> Yes, I suggest you read your own reference.
>
> "Maltitol, Sorbitol and Other Sugar Alcohols
> ...
> All authorities recommend using caution and definitely moderation is
> key. Because they are not completely absorbed in the bowel, they have a
> nasty reputation of holding onto water, and promoting diarrhea, gas and
> bloating. This is politely termed the "laxative effect". Sorbitol and
> mannitol are the worst offenders, maltitol and lactitol less so. The
> label should indicate the serving size. This is the amount considered
> safe to eat before the laxative effect takes over."
>
> The article is talking about sugar alcohols (like sorbitol and mannitol)
> when dealing with osmotic diarrhea, not about the artificial sweetners
> used in diet sodas: saccharin, aspartame, and sucralose.
>
>

You have trouble with comprehending text. I NEVER said that all
carbonated beverages contain sugars.

And not too deviate from your old wives tale; let me remind you that you
are still to prove your theory that Coke and/or Pepsi are corrosive to
the stomach.

See the OP's link to debunking this.

Richard



--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:20:46 GMT, Richard Periut >
wrote:


>You have trouble with comprehending text. I NEVER said that all
>carbonated beverages contain sugars.

I didn't say you did. Please read my posts.

What you wrote was:

> Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
> problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
> know.

What I replied was:
> I don't expect anyone to. Phosphoric acid and sugar have been used as
> an anti-nausea medicine for a very long time.

I agreed with you on that from the beginning. "I don't expect anyone
to" find any studies associating GI problems with soda consumption.

This was your second paragraph:

> It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
> called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
> absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.

This is the section I had a problem with. Here, if I am not mistaken,
you are claiming that diet sodas can cause osmotic diarrhea. However,
the artificial sweeteners that cause this condition are the sugar
alcohols, like sorbitol and mannitol. As far as I know, sugar alcohols
are not used as sweeteners in sodas. The sweeteners generally used in
diet sodas are aspartame, saccharin, and sucrolose. None of these are
known to cause osmotic diarrhea.

My last post was trying to point out that you may have mistakenly
generalized the paragraph in the web page you referencesd as to applying
to all artificial sweeteners and not just the sugar alcohols.

>And not too deviate from your old wives tale; let me remind you that you
>are still to prove your theory that Coke and/or Pepsi are corrosive to
>the stomach.

You have me confused with one of the other posters on this. Steve Wertz
> to be exact. He was the troll who
posted that theory.

>See the OP's link to debunking this.

No need, I know it is bunk. That is why I sarcastically posted the
reference to Emetrol being made of sugar and Phosphoric acid.

Robert Klute wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:20:46 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You have trouble with comprehending text. I NEVER said that all
>>carbonated beverages contain sugars.
>
>
> I didn't say you did. Please read my posts.
>
> What you wrote was:
>
>
>>Currently, there are no quality or scientific studies that associate GI
>>problems with the drinking of Pepsi or Coke; if you find one, do let me
>>know.
>
>
> What I replied was:
>
>>I don't expect anyone to. Phosphoric acid and sugar have been used as
>>an anti-nausea medicine for a very long time.
>
>
> I agreed with you on that from the beginning. "I don't expect anyone
> to" find any studies associating GI problems with soda consumption.
>
> This was your second paragraph:
>
>
>>It is a proven fact though, that their diet versions can cause what is
>>called: osmotic diarrhea--because of the type of sugar that is not
>>absorbed by our GI tract; hence, zero calories.
>
>
> This is the section I had a problem with. Here, if I am not mistaken,
> you are claiming that diet sodas can cause osmotic diarrhea. However,
> the artificial sweeteners that cause this condition are the sugar
> alcohols, like sorbitol and mannitol. As far as I know, sugar alcohols
> are not used as sweeteners in sodas. The sweeteners generally used in
> diet sodas are aspartame, saccharin, and sucrolose. None of these are
> known to cause osmotic diarrhea.
>
> My last post was trying to point out that you may have mistakenly
> generalized the paragraph in the web page you referencesd as to applying
> to all artificial sweeteners and not just the sugar alcohols.
>
>
>>And not too deviate from your old wives tale; let me remind you that you
>>are still to prove your theory that Coke and/or Pepsi are corrosive to
>>the stomach.
>
>
> You have me confused with one of the other posters on this. Steve Wertz
> > to be exact. He was the troll who
> posted that theory.
>
>
>>See the OP's link to debunking this.
>
>
> No need, I know it is bunk. That is why I sarcastically posted the
> reference to Emetrol being made of sugar and Phosphoric acid.
>
>

<sigh>

OK, so now we all know it's a myth.

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

"NitroFishBlue" > wrote in message >...
> A good simple grilling recipe
>
>
> one package dry taco seasoning
> one package dry Italian dressing
> 16 ounces Pepsi
> 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken

Go for it. We're still making that ancient WW's recipe with diet
orange soda that's pretty good. But anyone who thinks Pepsi is
*sweeter* than coke needs their taste buds examined. Both have sugar
of course, but Pepsi's claim to fame is that it's crisp and not sweet.
The sugar will of course brown and caramelize on the chicken but
oddly diet soda works as well.

"Karen O'Mara" > wrote in message
om...

<snipped Pepsi Chicken recipe>

> Has anyone tried this recipe, or should it be filed under Urban Legend?
>
> I want to try it, but can't get the nerve.


I've never tried it with chicken, but my ex-husband has been making pot
roast this way for over 20 years. It's okay...but then again, maybe that's
why he's now my ex?

Lisa Ann

>
> Heard it's good for steak, too.

Steak? Only if it's a bad one! LOL

>
> Need testimonials, please,
> gracias,
> Karen

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:56:38 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:11:06 GMT, Tim Challenger
> <"timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at">
> said

>>On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:32:00 -0400, Cian O'Donnell wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:59:33 -0500, Steve Wertz
>>> >
>>> said
>>>>Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Coke, and practically all other colas contain
>>>>phosphoric acid - A nasty corrosive heavilly regulated by the EPA,
>>>>FDA, OSHA and a slew of other government agencies.
>>>>
>>>>It'll eat away at the chicken, for sure, just like is eats away at
>>>>your stomach and esophagus.
>>>>
>>>>-sw
>>
>>> Could you please cite a legitimate long term study of living
>>> participants confirming your statement regarding the ill effects of
>>> cola drinks on the esophagus and stomach?
>>
>>Of course he can't because the stomach is protected from damage by a layer
>>of mucus, among other things - otherwise the even stronger acidic juices in
>>the stomach would have done it in already. A pathetically weakly acidic
>>solution like Pepsi or Coke doesn't even come close.

> I never ask a question that I don't know the answer. )

I realised it was a rhetorical question, but for the sake of people who
didn't I answered it anyway. :-)

--
Tim.

If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.

In article > ,
(Carmen Dioxide) wrote:

> "NitroFishBlue" > wrote in message
> >...
> > A good simple grilling recipe
> >
> >
> > one package dry taco seasoning
> > one package dry Italian dressing
> > 16 ounces Pepsi
> > 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken
>
> Go for it. We're still making that ancient WW's recipe with diet
> orange soda that's pretty good. But anyone who thinks Pepsi is
> *sweeter* than coke needs their taste buds examined. Both have sugar
> of course, but Pepsi's claim to fame is that it's crisp and not sweet.

Bollox. They're both _way_ sweet.

Miche

--
If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
-- Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

"Carmen Dioxide" > wrote in message
m...

>
> Go for it. We're still making that ancient WW's recipe with diet
> orange soda that's pretty good. But anyone who thinks Pepsi is
> *sweeter* than coke needs their taste buds examined.

It's not that Pepsi is sweeter than Coke - it's just that
is really doesn't have a whole lot in the way of any OTHER
flavor...

Bob M.

Miche > wrote in message >...
> In article > ,
> (Carmen Dioxide) wrote:
>
> > "NitroFishBlue" > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > A good simple grilling recipe
> > >
> > >
> > > one package dry taco seasoning
> > > one package dry Italian dressing
> > > 16 ounces Pepsi
> > > 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken
> >
> > Go for it. We're still making that ancient WW's recipe with diet
> > orange soda that's pretty good. But anyone who thinks Pepsi is
> > *sweeter* than coke needs their taste buds examined. Both have sugar
> > of course, but Pepsi's claim to fame is that it's crisp and not sweet.
>
> Bollox. They're both _way_ sweet.
>


Coke syrup is given for nausea and vomiting. There's no such thing as
"Pepsi Syrup." So as far as I know, coke is sweeter and always will
be.

Carmen Dioxide wrote:

> Miche > wrote in message >...
>
>>In article > ,
>> (Carmen Dioxide) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"NitroFishBlue" > wrote in message
>. ..
>>>
>>>>A good simple grilling recipe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>one package dry taco seasoning
>>>>one package dry Italian dressing
>>>>16 ounces Pepsi
>>>>1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken
>>>
>>>Go for it. We're still making that ancient WW's recipe with diet
>>>orange soda that's pretty good. But anyone who thinks Pepsi is
>>>*sweeter* than coke needs their taste buds examined. Both have sugar
>>>of course, but Pepsi's claim to fame is that it's crisp and not sweet.
>>
>>Bollox. They're both _way_ sweet.
>>
>
>
>
> Coke syrup is given for nausea and vomiting. There's no such thing as
> "Pepsi Syrup." So as far as I know, coke is sweeter and always will
> be.

There is such a thing as pepsi syrup if their wasn't you couldn't have
pepsi out of a tap. The syrup is what comes of out the BNB box or
canister. IMO Pepsi is sweeter than Coke and always has been.

On 30 Oct 2003 19:50:55 -0800,
(Carmen Dioxide) wrote:

> Miche > wrote in message >...
> > In article > ,
> > (Carmen Dioxide) wrote:
> >
> > Bollox. They're both _way_ sweet.
> >
>
>
> Coke syrup is given for nausea and vomiting. There's no such thing as
> "Pepsi Syrup." So as far as I know, coke is sweeter and always will
> be.

For a long time, I thought there was a difference too....
but years ago - I participated in a blind tasting of Coke &
Pepsi at the Del Mar Fair.

At the time I didn't like Pepsi, but guess which one I
picked as better tasting! <whispering: pepsi)

>................... There's no such thing as
> "Pepsi Syrup."





sure there is!

In rec.food.cooking, NitroFishBlue > wrote:
> A good simple grilling recipe


> one package dry taco seasoning
> one package dry Italian dressing
> 16 ounces Pepsi
> 1 1/2 - 2 pounds boneless, skinned chicken

Dr. Pepper works as well.

sf > wrote:

> For a long time, I thought there was a difference too....
> but years ago - I participated in a blind tasting of Coke &
> Pepsi at the Del Mar Fair.

> At the time I didn't like Pepsi, but guess which one I
> picked as better tasting! <whispering: pepsi)

That's interesting. I can definitely tell the different between Coke and
Pepsi for a simple reason. Coke has a distinct sharpness to its flavor from
cinnamon. Pepsi has a sweeter flavor and leaves a slight after-taste.
Perhaps your taste buds aren't receptive to the flavor of cinnamon.

On 3 Nov 2003 16:08:27 GMT, wrote:

> sf > wrote:
>
> > For a long time, I thought there was a difference too....
> > but years ago - I participated in a blind tasting of Coke &
> > Pepsi at the Del Mar Fair.
>
> > At the time I didn't like Pepsi, but guess which one I
> > picked as better tasting! <whispering: pepsi)
>
> That's interesting. I can definitely tell the different between Coke and
> Pepsi for a simple reason. Coke has a distinct sharpness to its flavor from
> cinnamon. Pepsi has a sweeter flavor and leaves a slight after-taste.

Coke is way too sweet. It rots my teeth just thinking about
it.

> Perhaps your taste buds aren't receptive to the flavor of cinnamon.

However obsure?