I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
in a price war?

Tom

said...

> Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa.


Is that "within sight of" or within the vicinity of?

Where's the Wegmans in relation to them?

Andy

tomba...@city-net wrote:

> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?


Price point - wise they aren't exactly "rivals"...TJ's touts itself as
a "value for money" sort of place, WH is popularly known as "Whole
Paycheck" because of their high prices...

Just a guess, but I'd think both stores would do well, even creating a
type of beneficial "synergy" between them...

--
Best
Greg

wrote:
> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?
>
> Tom
>
Not sure they are complete rivals. I shop at both and here they are
fairly close together. Each has some different things to offer.

--
Queenie

*** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***

> wrote in message
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>I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?
>
> Tom
>

In Northern Virginia, I'm not sure of the neame of the town, because they
all run together, but there is a Whole Foods/Fresh Fields DIRECTLY across
the street from Trader Joe's.
Dee Dee

> wrote in message
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>I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop?

In perceived high-quality stores people do not "comparison shop,"
they tend to impulse buy. Comparison shopping is for Safeway's
and Albertsons elsewhere.

pavane

wrote:

> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?

Actually, having two (or more) stores right near each other can result
in more business for all.

--
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"MayQueen" > wrote in message
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> wrote:
>> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
>> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
>> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
>> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
>> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
>> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
>> in a price war?
>>
>> Tom
>>
> Not sure they are complete rivals. I shop at both and here they are
> fairly close together. Each has some different things to offer.
>
> --
> Queenie
>
> *** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***
>
>
Do you look at the price tag?????

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?


TJs is opening another store in my town, and this one will be a block or so
from the brand new Sprouts that just opened.

Go figure.

Paul

Dan Goodman wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
>> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
>> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
>> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
>> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
>> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
>> in a price war?
>
> Actually, having two (or more) stores right near each other can result
> in more business for all.

It's like seeing Burger King, McDonald's, Wendy's (or whatever the regional
hotspot burger chain is) all grouped together. There's no lack of business
at any of them. It's called competition.

Jill

"pavane" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
>> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
>> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
>> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
>> comparison shop?
>
> In perceived high-quality stores people do not "comparison shop,"
> they tend to impulse buy. Comparison shopping is for Safeway's
> and Albertsons elsewhere.
>
> pavane
I'm a "people." I comparison shop. I do shop at high-quality stores for
items that I cannot get at 'low-quality' stores. But I do not buy items at
a higher price that I can buy a the 'low quality stores.' Why in the world
would I do that? Why would anyone do that? Perhaps someone that doesn't
give a damn, but most of us are not that way about our money.

And I don't even consider buying the crap at some 'lower-quality stores"
that they charge higher prices for than the 'high-quality stores' just
because they know that there are some people believe they're getting a good
deal by shopping there.

Wake up and smell the roses!
Dee Dee

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
>> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
>> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
>> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
>> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
>> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
>> in a price war?
>
>
> TJs is opening another store in my town, and this one will be a block or
> so
> from the brand new Sprouts that just opened.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Paul

They probably have 'gone and figured' that they would come out OK
financially. I've only seen two stores in my growing area close down.
Namely, Two Safeways, and one Kroger.
Dee Dee

In article .com>,
" > wrote:

> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?

Trader Joe's carries many items that you'll never see at a Whole Foods
store, but they do compete on some types of items such as cheeses. Also,
Whole Foods carries many items that you won't see at Trader Joe's, such
as fresh meats and seafood.

Be that as it may, I can think of two neighborhoods close to where I
live where there are competing supermarkets within walking distance of
one another.

wrote:
> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa, CA, and was
> amazed that Whole Foods is building a store right next to Trader Joes
> in Napa. Customers are probably rejoicing, but would a store want to
> locate right next door to their "rival" where people can easily
> comparison shop? Maybe Whole Foods has intentions on buying Trader
> Joes. Would Whole Foods have deeper pockets than Trader Joes, and win
> in a price war?


The Trader Joe's and Whole Foods are next to each other where I live
too. That is, you're not supposed to park at one, then walk across the
street to other, but people do. The TJ's was there first. As near as I
can tell, both businesses are doing well. *I* shop at both and think of
them in separate categories, but I may be the minority of shoppers.
There are some things I shop at TJ's for: bottled fruit juices, pasta,
jam, dried fruit, big bars of chocolate. I go to WF for: cheese,
seafood, specialty meats from time to time. I guess I never thought
about it before, but I do my daily shopping at the chain supermarket. I
buy non-perishable specialty items from TJ's and high-end perishable
specialty items from WF. That's for those occasions when I want
something new or want a treat, not a regular occurence but fun when I
have the money and am in the neighborhood.


--Lia

Dee wrote on Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:35:26 -0400:


DD> "pavane" > wrote in message
DD> ...
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??>> > wrote in message
??>>
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??>>> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa,
??>>> CA, and was amazed that Whole Foods is building a store
??>>> right next to Trader Joes in Napa. Customers are probably
??>>> rejoicing, but would a store want to locate right next
??>>> door to their "rival" where people can easily comparison
??>>> shop?
??>>
??>> In perceived high-quality stores people do not "comparison
??>> shop," they tend to impulse buy. Comparison shopping is
??>> for Safeway's and Albertsons elsewhere.
??>>
??>> pavane
DD> I'm a "people." I comparison shop. I do shop at

Where I live there is a TJs and a Whole Foods fairly close in
the town of Rockville but not next door to each other. I have
used both long enough to know in advance which store I will use
for many items.

These are some current opinions but the local branches are not
strictly comparable especially on fresh produce where WF has a
much greater range. Often it is worthwhile paying high WF prices
for the quality of vegetables but I buy most of mine at regular
supermarkets. I like TFs custom of selling bananas by unit
instead of weight :-) but most other fruits and vegetables are
prepackaged, which I dislike. The local TJs has a much better
range of frozen fish and vegetables but has very little fresh
fish (and that is prepackaged and probably defrosted), whereas
WF is pretty good (better than regular local supermarkets except
for the expensive small Balduccis chain). TJs range of coffee is
good enough that I never consider buying it anywhere else unless
I am in a hurry. Both TJ and WF have quite good bread but, IMHO,
the local Giant supermarket is just as good.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

>> Not sure they are complete rivals. I shop at both and here they are
>> fairly close together. Each has some different things to offer.
>>
>> --
>> Queenie
>>
>> *** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***
>>
>>
> Do you look at the price tag?????
>
>
>
I do. And on some things WF isn't too bad. A lot of times I shop WF
for specific things that I might not find other places. They have some
great prepared foods and actually the other week I got a fresh made
pizza that was cheaper than delivery. Their 365 brand is usually pretty
fairly priced.

Now TJ's is definitely a better buy on most things and if I time it
right I get my milk and eggs there.

--
Queenie

*** Be the change you wish to see in the world ***

Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
> Trader Joe's carries many items that you'll never see at a Whole Foods
> store, but they do compete on some types of items such as cheeses.

I won't ever again buy cheese at Trader Joe's,
because of the off-flavors. I don't know where
these off-flavors come from -- it could be from
the plastic wrap that TJ's uses or it could be
odors that penetrate the wrap. But I've wasted
too much money on cheese that I ended up throwing
away. Whole Foods doesn't have that problem.

For just about everything else, I buy at TJ's.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
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> Dee wrote on Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:35:26 -0400:
>
>
> DD> "pavane" > wrote in message
> DD> ...
> ??>>
> ??>> > wrote in message
> ??>> oups.com...
> ??>>> I just returned from visiting my brother-in-law in Napa,
> ??>>> CA, and was amazed that Whole Foods is building a store
> ??>>> right next to Trader Joes in Napa. Customers are probably
> ??>>> rejoicing, but would a store want to locate right next
> ??>>> door to their "rival" where people can easily comparison
> ??>>> shop?
> ??>>
> ??>> In perceived high-quality stores people do not "comparison
> ??>> shop," they tend to impulse buy. Comparison shopping is
> ??>> for Safeway's and Albertsons elsewhere.
> ??>>
> ??>> pavane
> DD> I'm a "people." I comparison shop. I do shop at
>
> Where I live there is a TJs and a Whole Foods fairly close in the town of
> Rockville but not next door to each other. I have used both long enough to
> know in advance which store I will use for many items.

>TJs range of coffee is good enough that I never consider buying it anywhere
>else unless I am in a hurry. Both TJ and WF have quite good bread but,
>IMHO, the local Giant supermarket is just as good.
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland

I've said this before -- I've never seen a supermarket/store like Whole
Foods in Fairfax, VA in my whole life. It is utterly fantastic. Has not
anyone seen this store? I've been to many WF's, but this is amazing.
Dee Dee