On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:07:48 -0500, magnanimously
proffered:

>I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
>like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
>animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?

Try eating your keyboard.


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I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?

In article >,
bob > wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:07:48 -0500, magnanimously
> proffered:
>
> >I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
> >else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
> >like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
> >animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
>
> Try eating your keyboard.

Hang out at the local Glory Hole.

Put out a tip jar.
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> I am unemployed and have no money.

Aren't you getting unemployment?

> Therefore I have no food. What
> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
> like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
> animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?



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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:07:48 -0500, wrote:

>I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
>like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
>animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?

"How to Raise Your IQ by Eating Gifted Children", by Lewis Burke
Frumkes, may be of some use. Check the local library.

If you were serious, you might discover that flipping burgers isn't
the best-paying job in the world, but you won't starve.

On Jul 31, 6:07 am, wrote:
> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
> like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
> animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?

Sell the computer. Then not only will you have some money, you will
quit annoying newsgroups.

N.

"Nancy2" > wrote

> On Jul 31, 6:07 am, wrote:
>> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
>> like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
>> animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
>
> Sell the computer. Then not only will you have some money, you will
> quit annoying newsgroups.

I don't think of this as an annoying newsgroup. Usually.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Nancy2" > wrote
>
>> On Jul 31, 6:07 am, wrote:
>>> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>>> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating
>>> things like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I
>>> cant hunt animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else
>>> can I eat?
>>
>> Sell the computer. Then not only will you have some money, you will
>> quit annoying newsgroups.
>
> I don't think of this as an annoying newsgroup. Usually.
>
> nancy

LOL! It's the influx of these gmail and yahoo (appropriate name, by the
way) users since school is out that makes it *really* annoying. Sometimes I
actually miss the AOL users of yesteryear

Jill

"Terry" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:07:48 -0500, wrote:
>
>>I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>>else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
>>like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
>>animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
>
> "How to Raise Your IQ by Eating Gifted Children", by Lewis Burke
> Frumkes, may be of some use. Check the local library.
>
> If you were serious, you might discover that flipping burgers isn't
> the best-paying job in the world, but you won't starve.

You will if you try to pay rent and utilities on that.

wrote:
> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
> like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
> animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
>

Ask Jill how she does it.

"Dan" > wrote in message
link.net...
> wrote:
>> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
>> like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
>> animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
>>
>
> Ask Jill how she does it.

"D is for the dinners that you gaaaaaaave meeeee ....
"A is for the ASS that I can beeeeeeeeeee ....
"D is for the drinks your money buyyyssss meeeee ...

In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote:

> "Terry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:07:48 -0500, wrote:
> >
> >>I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
> >>else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
> >>like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
> >>animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
> >
> > "How to Raise Your IQ by Eating Gifted Children", by Lewis Burke
> > Frumkes, may be of some use. Check the local library.
> >
> > If you were serious, you might discover that flipping burgers isn't
> > the best-paying job in the world, but you won't starve.
>
> You will if you try to pay rent and utilities on that.

Room mates.
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Terry" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:07:48 -0500, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>>>> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves?
>>>
>>> If you were serious, you might discover that flipping burgers isn't
>>> the best-paying job in the world, but you won't starve.
>>
******This person is obviously a troll.******

> Room mates.

Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone. First of all, a larger
dwelling may be required to accomodate a roommate. Sounds hunky dorey
except it you're already out more money for your share of the rent and
utilities from the get-go. In the situations I've seen with some of my
friends (this was years ago) their roommate arrangement started off fine.
Then they started getting bad and eventually wound up awful. This was true
even if the roommates had known each other for years prior. (You almost
have to look at getting a roommate as akin to getting married.)

You have to worry about whether or not they're going to pay their share of
the rent and other bills on time. You have to worry about whether their
significant other is suddenly spending so much time there it seems they've
moved in, yet they aren't contributing a damn thing to the household. You
have to worry about the roommate inviting all sorts of people over, many of
whom you don't know, despite any agreements to the contrary. And if their
SO is there a lot, you get to deal with them inviting *their* friends over,
too. You also have to worry about them suddenly moving out, leaving you
stuck either with all the rent or with the chore of finding another
roommate.

Having said that, I've also known a couple of people who rented a room with
a private bath and kitchen priviledges in a private home. The homeowners
were mature, settled people. The friends doing the renting weren't wild &
crazy party people so this type of arrangment worked out just fine for them.
I've heard more horror stories than good ones, though.

Jill

On Aug 1, 7:01 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> > Room mates.
>
> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.

I wouldn't recommend it, either. But if it's what someone has to do
in order
to get by on their pay, then it's what they have to do.

I've had roommates when I had to (with varying success, but nothing
more horrible
than them not speaking to me during a three-month snit).

Not everybody can make enough to afford their own apartment, and the
world doesn't owe them a living.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jul 31, 3:31 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Nancy2" > wrote
>
> > On Jul 31, 6:07 am, wrote:
> >> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
> >> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating things
> >> like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I cant hunt
> >> animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else can I eat?
>
> > Sell the computer. Then not only will you have some money, you will
> > quit annoying newsgroups.
>
> I don't think of this as an annoying newsgroup. Usually.
>
> nancy


LOL - I should have said, "...you will quit annoying THE newsgroups."

N.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:

> > Room mates.
>
> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.

Works fine for many people. My daughter had a roommate for a year and a
half, and is now apartment hunting with another one. Rents for
apartments are too high in San Francisco and Berkeley for most young
people without a roommate.


> even if the roommates had known each other for years prior. (You almost
> have to look at getting a roommate as akin to getting married.)


It's still a lot easier to ditch a roommate than a spouse.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> > Room mates.
>
> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone. First of all, a larger
> dwelling may be required to accomodate a roommate. Sounds hunky dorey
> except it you're already out more money for your share of the rent and
> utilities from the get-go. In the situations I've seen with some of my
> friends (this was years ago) their roommate arrangement started off fine.
> Then they started getting bad and eventually wound up awful. This was true
> even if the roommates had known each other for years prior. (You almost
> have to look at getting a roommate as akin to getting married.)
>
> You have to worry about whether or not they're going to pay their share of
> the rent and other bills on time. You have to worry about whether their
> significant other is suddenly spending so much time there it seems they've
> moved in, yet they aren't contributing a damn thing to the household. You
> have to worry about the roommate inviting all sorts of people over, many of
> whom you don't know, despite any agreements to the contrary. And if their
> SO is there a lot, you get to deal with them inviting *their* friends over,
> too. You also have to worry about them suddenly moving out, leaving you
> stuck either with all the rent or with the chore of finding another
> roommate.
>
> Having said that, I've also known a couple of people who rented a room with
> a private bath and kitchen priviledges in a private home. The homeowners
> were mature, settled people. The friends doing the renting weren't wild &
> crazy party people so this type of arrangment worked out just fine for them.
> I've heard more horror stories than good ones, though.
>
> Jill

The thing is, sometimes you have no choice...

Even with the increase, minimum wage is not a living wage.
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In article .com>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Aug 1, 7:01 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> > > Room mates.
> >
> > Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.
>
> I wouldn't recommend it, either. But if it's what someone has to do
> in order
> to get by on their pay, then it's what they have to do.
>
> I've had roommates when I had to (with varying success, but nothing
> more horrible
> than them not speaking to me during a three-month snit).
>
> Not everybody can make enough to afford their own apartment, and the
> world doesn't owe them a living.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I count myself fortunate to have been able to live with my parents for
3 of my 4 years in college while I was earning my BS-MT. My crappy
minimum wage jobs were able to go entirely for tuition and books except
for my senior year when I had to move to a different town for the
clinical rotations... But, rent in Temple for an efficiency was only
$180.00 per month so my measly $5.50 per hour as a Phlebotomist (part
time) paid for that, and utilities, phone, gas and tuition and books...

My prof's helped me land the job.

$600.00 per month can go a long way if you budget it.

Nobody has to live on minimum wage forever. You just have to have some
ambition.
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:16:34 -0500, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Nancy2" > wrote
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 6:07 am, wrote:
>>>> I am unemployed and have no money. Therefore I have no food. What
>>>> else can I eat? Can I eat grass, or leaves? What about eating
>>>> things like pieces of wood? I dont have a gun or fishing pole so I
>>>> cant hunt animals and go fishing. I dont have a garden. What else
>>>> can I eat?
>>>
>>> Sell the computer. Then not only will you have some money, you will
>>> quit annoying newsgroups.
>>
>> I don't think of this as an annoying newsgroup. Usually.
>>
>> nancy
>
>LOL! It's the influx of these gmail and yahoo (appropriate name, by the
>way) users since school is out that makes it *really* annoying. Sometimes I
>actually miss the AOL users of yesteryear
>
>Jill
>

omgomg!!! school is out?!?! batten down the hatches! they'll murder
us in our beds!

your pal,
blake

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
>
> > > Room mates.
> >
> > Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.
>
> Works fine for many people. My daughter had a roommate for a year and a
> half, and is now apartment hunting with another one. Rents for
> apartments are too high in San Francisco and Berkeley for most young
> people without a roommate.
>
>
> > even if the roommates had known each other for years prior. (You almost
> > have to look at getting a roommate as akin to getting married.)
>
>
> It's still a lot easier to ditch a roommate than a spouse.

True. ;-)

All you have to do is pack up and leave, unless your signature is on the
lease...
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Aug 1, 7:01 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>> Room mates.
>>
>> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.
>
> I wouldn't recommend it, either. But if it's what someone has to do
> in order
> to get by on their pay, then it's what they have to do.

I'll agree with that, but I wouldn't look at it as a long term solution for
the reasons cited in my post. I saw too many friends (again, years ago)
take on roommates and find themselves in a "fix". And under no uncertain
terms should any single person agree to move to a larger place simply to
take on a roommate who has children. Nothing against children, mind you,
but if you don't have children yourself you are liable to find yourself as a
babysitter-by-proxy when said roommate starts calling with excuses about why
they won't be home. Could you feed them? Bathe them? Put them to bed?
I'll be home soon, I promise!

A good friend of mine found herself in just such a situation. She didn't
count on having to be a babysitter; she had her own life. She finally gave
the woman 30 days notice to vacate (the roommate wasn't on the lease). Then
she moved into a smaller apartment she could afford by herself and gave up
the idea of roommates. And trust me, she wasn't rich. But she managed to
make it work without all the aggravation

Jill

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>
>>> Room mates.
>>
>> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.
>
> Works fine for many people. My daughter had a roommate for a year
> and a half, and is now apartment hunting with another one. Rents for
> apartments are too high in San Francisco and Berkeley for most young
> people without a roommate.
>
Precisely the reason I would never live in California LOL

>> even if the roommates had known each other for years prior. (You
>> almost have to look at getting a roommate as akin to getting
>> married.)
>
> It's still a lot easier to ditch a roommate than a spouse.

Perhaps, but if they both sign the lease and one bails it still leaves the
remaining lessee to pay the rent and try to track down the other roommate.
Meanwhile, the landlord doesn't give a rip if someone else isn't holding up
their end of the lease. They have a lease and it falls on the person who
still lives there to pay the rent, or to find someone else to move in and
pick up the slack... which can take months. (Ever see 'Single White
Female'? I wouldn't want to choose a roommate from a classifieds
advertisement, sorry!) Meanwhile, the person living in the apartment/rental
house is hanging out to dry for the rent for the disappearing roommate. How
does this help someone's financial situation?

Jill

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>>> Room mates.
>>
>> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone. First of all,
>> a larger dwelling may be required to accomodate a roommate. Sounds
>> hunky dorey except it you're already out more money for your share
>> of the rent and utilities from the get-go. In the situations I've
>> seen with some of my friends (this was years ago) their roommate
>> arrangement started off fine. Then they started getting bad and
>> eventually wound up awful. This was true even if the roommates had
>> known each other for years prior. (You almost have to look at
>> getting a roommate as akin to getting married.)
>>
>> You have to worry about whether or not they're going to pay their
>> share of the rent and other bills on time. You have to worry about
>> whether their significant other is suddenly spending so much time
>> there it seems they've moved in, yet they aren't contributing a damn
>> thing to the household. You have to worry about the roommate
>> inviting all sorts of people over, many of whom you don't know,
>> despite any agreements to the contrary. And if their SO is there a
>> lot, you get to deal with them inviting *their* friends over, too.
>> You also have to worry about them suddenly moving out, leaving you
>> stuck either with all the rent or with the chore of finding another
>> roommate.
>>
>> Having said that, I've also known a couple of people who rented a
>> room with a private bath and kitchen priviledges in a private home.
>> The homeowners were mature, settled people. The friends doing the
>> renting weren't wild & crazy party people so this type of arrangment
>> worked out just fine for them. I've heard more horror stories than
>> good ones, though.
>>
>> Jill
>
> The thing is, sometimes you have no choice...
>
> Even with the increase, minimum wage is not a living wage.

There's always a choice. Roomates are often the worst possible choice.
When I got divorced I didn't have anything but debts run up by my ex-husband
and I was working hard to pay them off. I looked around at what they call
"garage apartments". Apartments made from what used to be carriage houses
(or in post Victorian parlance, garages) on the grounds of some of the older
homes in midtown. They were essentially studio apartments. Those places
usually offered a window a/c unit (essential in this heat!) and electric,
gas and water included with the rent. It's not unfeasible for someone in
dire straights to look for such a place. IIRC, the one I really liked was
only $125 a month. Given the cost of inflation, that would be about $300,
maybe $325 a month these days; still quite reasonable if a person has even a
minimum wage income and doesn't have to pay for utilities.

Jill

Omelet wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>
>>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>>>> Room mates.
>>>
>>> Egads NO! I would *never* recommend this to anyone.
>>
>> Works fine for many people. My daughter had a roommate for a year
>> and a half, and is now apartment hunting with another one. Rents for
>> apartments are too high in San Francisco and Berkeley for most young
>> people without a roommate.
>>
>>
>>> even if the roommates had known each other for years prior. (You
>>> almost have to look at getting a roommate as akin to getting
>>> married.)
>>
>> It's still a lot easier to ditch a roommate than a spouse.
>
> True. ;-)
>
> All you have to do is pack up and leave, unless your signature is on
> the lease...

Yep, that's the other problem. If your roommate's signature isn't on the
lease and the landlord discovers you have someone else living there full
time... oooops! They can kick you out with sufficient (states vary) notice
to quit and then eviction. And then where would you be? It's not worth it
unless you thoroughly investigate who will be living with you, will they pay
the rent and other bills, will they run off with some boy toy they met on
the Internet and leave you hanging... LOL

Jill