"John Kane" > wrote in message
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> On Jul 31, 8:31 pm, "engv9q2ghqa" > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have experience making whole wheat bread without salt?
>>
>> I've made ordinary white bread in the past and had no problems. However I
>> recently tried making no salt whole wheat bread by modifying the recipe
>> on
>> the back of the king arthur flour package.
>>
>> 3 1/2 cups whole wheat flour
>> 1/4 cup powdered milk
>> 1/4 cup vegetable oil
>> 1 1/3 cups water
>> 1 envelope yeast.
>>
>> I'm not including salt or sweetener.
>>
>> Don't copy this recipe. According to the redstar yeast web site, salt
>> slows
>> the yeast and eliminating salt can cause the bread to collapse, and
>> that's
>> exactly what happens when I use this recipe.
>>
>> I think the problem is that it rises too fast and I just need to use less
>> yeast and get my oven pre-heated before the dough rises too far. Does
>> anyone
>> have experience with this? Can I get this to work with less yeast and
>> shorter rising times? Is there a better way? I'd like to get a yeasty
>> flavor through long rise times. Is there anyway to get that? The recipe
>> calls for kneading once, and after the first rise, shaping the loaves and
>> letting them rise in the pan. Would it do any harm to knead again after
>> the
>> first rise and do a second rise before shaping the loaves etc?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> I usually just use the yeast, flour and water. Warm water (say about
> baby bottle temperature, room temperature flour, chuck the yeast into
> the warm water and let work for 304 minutes, add flour and away you
> go.
>
> Let rise once, punch down and put into pans, let rise again, bake at
> 350 F.
>
> It does not seem to hurt to do a second kneading but I don't see an
> advantage but there may be one. Salt is nice but can mess things up
> so I'd do without it for a first few tries. Same with the oil. It can
> be nice but it is not needed.
>
> John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Try a tablespoon of vital wheat gluten (available at grocery stores) in
packages. If you on east coast, Hodgson's is the brand to get.
DeeDee
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