ChattyCathy > wrote in news:zldui.2249$5v1.1977
@fe101.usenetserver.com:


>
> However, my white wine glasses are smaller than the ones I have seen
in
> some restaurants here - guess those must be the 360ml size that the
site
> I found was talking about.

My white wine and red wine glasses are one and the same.

Except for my Reidels which I just use for red wine.


>>
>> What brand of white was it anyways? Local/imported?
>
> Drostdy-Hof - it's local. We get a very nice selection of wines here
in
> SA, and they are very reasonably priced - even some of the "Chateau
> el-Cheapo" ones are drinkable


Way back when I first started on red wine, we used to try quite a few SA
reds.

But I didn't realize you had so damn many!!!

http://www.wineweb.com/scripts/search3.cfm?
name=&appellation=&sub_region=&country=South+Afric a


http://tinyurl.com/3ak9ee


Life's too short to drink bad wine :-)


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

PeterLucas wrote:

>
> Way back when I first started on red wine, we used to try quite a few SA
> reds.
>
> But I didn't realize you had so damn many!!!

We do have a lot, don't we? What we call a "drinkable" red starts out at
about ZAR60 (AUD9.95) in the bottle stores and can go up to over ZAR1000
(AUD165) per bottle for "medal winning" stuff - but not too many of the
bottle stores stock the really expensive wines, you have to know where
to look. The restaurants rip us off of, course. They usually double up
the prices. LOL
>
>
> Life's too short to drink bad wine :-)
>
>
Lemme give ya a little tip - I wouldn't recommend the "Angels Tears"
range....

http://www.angelstears.co.za/life.html

DH and I tried their white "off dry white" at a seafood restaurant not
so long ago. The waitress said it was great. OK, so we ordered a bottle
and had a glass or two. Didn't even finish the bottle, BTW Oh, it did
taste great, went down very well with the prawns I had ordered..... BUT
- the next morning we were both out in the back yard looking for that
goddam mule that must have kicked us in the head the night before

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

Giusi wrote:

>
> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the hired
> caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going to take it
> with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've never gone anywhere on
> a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that curiosity.
>
>
Where is "here"? Italy? Well, I hope you enjoy it. Polish food is great.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:36:52 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.angelstears.co.za/life.html
>
>DH and I tried their white "off dry white" at a seafood restaurant not
>so long ago. The waitress said it was great. OK, so we ordered a bottle
>and had a glass or two. Didn't even finish the bottle, BTW Oh, it did
>taste great, went down very well with the prawns I had ordered..... BUT
>- the next morning we were both out in the back yard looking for that
>goddam mule that must have kicked us in the head the night before

Light weights!
<said with all due respect, of course>




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sf wrote:
>
> Light weights!
> <said with all due respect, of course>
>
>
>
>
LOL! Must be getting old. But that stuff really gave me a headache. And
funny enough - it's not what we call "el cheapo" stuff either. It's a
medium-priced wine. It did taste good tho' - very "light". Pffft! Never
again.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

Giusi wrote:
> "ChattyCathy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
>> Giusi wrote:
>>
>>> Who fills wine glasses to the top?
>>>
>>> Anyway, the check is in the mail. It's in zlotys.
>> Kewl. It might just might cover a ticket to Macbeth in Warsaw. I
>> just love those witches... don't you?
>>
>> Now
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
> curiosity.

Feh! You'll never want to do it again!! I did it.... once. Years ago I
took a coach to visit friends in former Yugoslavia. Never again!!!

ChattyCathy > wrote in news:Hegui.2258$5v1.2206
@fe101.usenetserver.com:

> sf wrote:
>>
>> Light weights!
>> <said with all due respect, of course>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> LOL! Must be getting old. But that stuff really gave me a headache.
And
> funny enough - it's not what we call "el cheapo" stuff either. It's a
> medium-priced wine. It did taste good tho' - very "light". Pffft!
Never
> again.



Same same.

Only one wine has *ever* given me a headache.

1995 Mildara Shiraz.


I have been the owner of several different vintages of Mildara Shiraz
after that, but have never been game to drink a whole bottle (or most
thereof). Have had several glasses of different vintages......... and
nothing untoward happened.

Sometimes......... the dude in charge gets a rush of blood to the head
and decides that he wants that wine to last for 50 years, instead of
it's intended 5-6 years.

Hence the overuse of sodium metabisulphate.

It's a sterilizing solution for the bottles, but also a preservative for
the wine.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

ChattyCathy > wrote in
:

> PeterLucas wrote:
>
>>
>> Way back when I first started on red wine, we used to try quite a few
>> SA reds.
>>
>> But I didn't realize you had so damn many!!!
>
> We do have a lot, don't we? What we call a "drinkable" red starts out
> at about ZAR60 (AUD9.95) in the bottle stores


Cathy......... you have to move to the country of LMARASTWCKTPD.



(Lets make alcohol really affordable so that we can keep the people
dumb)



>and can go up to over
> ZAR1000 (AUD165) per bottle for "medal winning" stuff - but not too
> many of the bottle stores stock the really expensive wines, you have
> to know where to look. The restaurants rip us off of, course. They
> usually double up the prices. LOL


Which is why I usually pick BYO's.



>>
>>
>> Life's too short to drink bad wine :-)
>>
>>
> Lemme give ya a little tip - I wouldn't recommend the "Angels Tears"
> range....


Thanks........ now I have to go out and try the bloody stuff to see if
you're right!!!


Like a wine tasting I went to. 300+ wines. All graded. Most winners.

Only *one* 'Not Recommended'.

Tasting notes........... "It tastes like a dead wet dog".


I was the only person at that tasting to try it.


It tasted like a dead wet dog.



And before you ask.......... don't ask.



> ordered..... BUT - the next morning we were both out in the back yard
> looking for that goddam mule that must have kicked us in the head the
> night before
>


No AGB, or chunder?


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

sf wrote in :

> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:36:52 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>http://www.angelstears.co.za/life.html
>>
>>DH and I tried their white "off dry white" at a seafood restaurant not
>>so long ago. The waitress said it was great. OK, so we ordered a bottle
>>and had a glass or two. Didn't even finish the bottle, BTW Oh, it did
>>taste great, went down very well with the prawns I had ordered..... BUT
>>- the next morning we were both out in the back yard looking for that
>>goddam mule that must have kicked us in the head the night before
>
> Light weights!
> <said with all due respect, of course>
>
>
>
>



LOL!!! You and I could have fun........ if we didn't want to kill each
other on the first meeting :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> Giusi wrote:
>> "ChattyCathy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> ...
>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who fills wine glasses to the top?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the check is in the mail. It's in zlotys.
>>> Kewl. It might just might cover a ticket to Macbeth in Warsaw. I
>>> just love those witches... don't you?
>>>
>>> Now
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
>> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
>> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
>> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
>> curiosity.
>
> Feh! You'll never want to do it again!! I did it.... once. Years ago I
> took a coach to visit friends in former Yugoslavia. Never again!!!

That must been an experience. A girl-friend and I drove down the (former)
Yugoslavia coastline and our Italian car broke down and we had to take a
bus. She spoke French, but no one on the bus spoke French nor English.
That was in 1979. I've never been on a bus since, myself.

Oh, yes, I forgot, DH and I took a trip to the National Archives. We found
that the slop bucket in the back was sloshing to the point of hurting our
ears, - yikes!
Dee Dee

PeterLucas wrote:

> Sometimes......... the dude in charge gets a rush of blood to the head
> and decides that he wants that wine to last for 50 years, instead of
> it's intended 5-6 years.
>
> Hence the overuse of sodium metabisulphate.
>
> It's a sterilizing solution for the bottles, but also a preservative for
> the wine.

Yup. DH said practically same thing to me about it; too much of that
stuff causes the problems. Maybe we just got unlucky. But there are so
many other wines here to try, that I don't think I'll miss it
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

In article > ,
PeterLucas > wrote:

> ChattyCathy > wrote in
> :

> >and can go up to over
> > ZAR1000 (AUD165) per bottle for "medal winning" stuff - but not too
> > many of the bottle stores stock the really expensive wines, you have
> > to know where to look. The restaurants rip us off of, course. They
> > usually double up the prices. LOL
>
>
> Which is why I usually pick BYO's.


A restaurant here that only charges double the retail is considered
reasonable. If you bring your own, they have a "corkage" charge, which
is often US$10.00 or more.

Dan Abel > wrote in news:dabel-A3DB22.13532108082007@c-
61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

> In article > ,
> PeterLucas > wrote:
>
>> ChattyCathy > wrote in
>> :
>
>> >and can go up to over
>> > ZAR1000 (AUD165) per bottle for "medal winning" stuff - but not too
>> > many of the bottle stores stock the really expensive wines, you
have
>> > to know where to look. The restaurants rip us off of, course.
They
>> > usually double up the prices. LOL
>>
>>
>> Which is why I usually pick BYO's.
>
>
> A restaurant here that only charges double the retail is considered
> reasonable. If you bring your own, they have a "corkage" charge,
which
> is often US$10.00 or more.
>


We have places around like that too. The places I like to frequent
either have no corkage, or minimal. I refuse to pay more than AUD$5
corkage per bottle.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>> what is the question
>>
> Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get out of the pantry?

Cindi

> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy
>
> Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible
>
>

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:45:59 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas >
wrote:

>We have places around like that too. The places I like to frequent
>either have no corkage, or minimal. I refuse to pay more than AUD$5
>corkage per bottle.

I didn't run into any restaurants in Vancouver this summer that were
BYOB, but was plesantly surprised by the practice when we visited
Qubec a couple of years ago. I am not aware of *any* local
restaurants with that practice.


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"Vilco" > wrote in news:fr%ti.82243$%k.224892
@twister2.libero.it:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>>> LOL, a friend of mine uses to say that at only 35 years old. You
>>> women must be crazy
>
>> You only figured that out now?
>
> I always try to forget

I lost it in a 57 Chevy.

--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
Elbonian Folklore

In article > ,
PeterLucas > wrote:


> Sometimes......... the dude in charge gets a rush of blood to the head
> and decides that he wants that wine to last for 50 years, instead of
> it's intended 5-6 years.
>
> Hence the overuse of sodium metabisulphate.


sodium metabisulfite (or metabisulphite)


> It's a sterilizing solution for the bottles, but also a preservative for
> the wine.

A quick Google show that there is a tendency towards the sodium
metabisulfite for sterilizing, and potassium metabisulfite for
preserving.

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:

>Giusi wrote:
>> "ChattyCathy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> ...
>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who fills wine glasses to the top?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the check is in the mail. It's in zlotys.
>>> Kewl. It might just might cover a ticket to Macbeth in Warsaw. I
>>> just love those witches... don't you?
>>>
>>> Now
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
>> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
>> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
>> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
>> curiosity.
>
>Feh! You'll never want to do it again!! I did it.... once. Years ago I
>took a coach to visit friends in former Yugoslavia. Never again!!!
>
Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico City.
In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I learned
a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria riding
behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly curves so
he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But later that night
in the mountains of central Mexico, when the transmission fell out of
the bus and our driver fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform
out in the chaparral so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after
his ordeal, I learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face
of mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.
--

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"modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>>Giusi wrote:
>>> "ChattyCathy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> ...
>>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who fills wine glasses to the top?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the check is in the mail. It's in zlotys.
>>>> Kewl. It might just might cover a ticket to Macbeth in Warsaw. I
>>>> just love those witches... don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Now
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chatty Cathy
>>>
>>> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
>>> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
>>> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
>>> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
>>> curiosity.
>>
>>Feh! You'll never want to do it again!! I did it.... once. Years ago I
>>took a coach to visit friends in former Yugoslavia. Never again!!!
>>
> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico City.
> In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I learned
> a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria riding
> behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly curves so
> he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But later that night
> in the mountains of central Mexico, when the transmission fell out of
> the bus and our driver fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform
> out in the chaparral so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after
> his ordeal, I learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face
> of mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.
> --
>
> modom
>
Another going off the cliff story:

Going down the grade from San Francisco to Marin County on a bus once, the
driver pulled over to a 'tourist-type' overlook. He got out to stretch, I
could feel the bus move forward toward the cliff (there was no bus-guard
where he parked). Without thinking, I ran forward as fast as I could and
jumped off the bus, while everyone else sat there. The driver jumped back
on the bus and pulled or did something with the brake (nonchantly!!!) and
left me outside to wonder what the hell happened. I thought he was going to
close the door on me from the hissing sound. Not a soul had moved and they
all looked at me like a was a wild woman! I wonder how many times he pulled
this trick. I won't forget this one.


Dee Dee

modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> Giusi wrote:
>>> "ChattyCathy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> ...
>>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who fills wine glasses to the top?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the check is in the mail. It's in zlotys.
>>>> Kewl. It might just might cover a ticket to Macbeth in Warsaw. I
>>>> just love those witches... don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Now
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chatty Cathy
>>>
>>> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
>>> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
>>> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
>>> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
>>> curiosity.
>>
>> Feh! You'll never want to do it again!! I did it.... once. Years
>> ago I took a coach to visit friends in former Yugoslavia. Never
>> again!!!
>>
> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico City.
> In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I learned
> a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria riding
> behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly curves so
> he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But later that night
> in the mountains of central Mexico, when the transmission fell out of
> the bus and our driver fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform
> out in the chaparral so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after
> his ordeal, I learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face
> of mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.

well I don't know what mensch is but I hope it means something excellent

"modom (palindrome guy)" > ha scritto nel messaggio
news
>>> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
>>> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
>>> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
>>> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
>>> curiosity.

> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico City.
> In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I learned
> a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria riding
> behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly curves so
> he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But later that night
> in the mountains of central Mexico, when the transmission fell out of
> the bus and our driver fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform
> out in the chaparral so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after
> his ordeal, I learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face
> of mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.
> --
>
> modom

I probably will only do this once but per your story, modom, you did
survive. Think on it, though. If you could go to Poland for ?16 each way,
would you not do it? I find it impossible to imagine skipping such an
opportunity. I've been going around meeting the guest workers who use it
and it's a whole subculture in itself. I'm absolutely fascinated.

Even with the deadly current exchange rate, Poland for ?32 RT sounds like an
essential thing to do at least once. They do it every 90 days. What's so
unique about me that I can't put up with the amount of discomfort they
tolerate?

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:

>modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>
>> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
>> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico City.
>> In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I learned
>> a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria riding
>> behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly curves so
>> he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But later that night
>> in the mountains of central Mexico, when the transmission fell out of
>> the bus and our driver fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform
>> out in the chaparral so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after
>> his ordeal, I learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face
>> of mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.
>
>well I don't know what mensch is but I hope it means something excellent
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch
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modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>
>>> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
>>> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico
>>> City. In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I
>>> learned a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria
>>> riding behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly
>>> curves so he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But
>>> later that night in the mountains of central Mexico, when the
>>> transmission fell out of the bus and our driver fixed it in the
>>> dark and changed his uniform out in the chaparral so he wouldn't
>>> look like a grease jockey after his ordeal, I learned a lot about
>>> maintaining your dignity in the face of mundane troubles. The guy
>>> was a mensch.
>>
>> well I don't know what mensch is but I hope it means something
>> excellent
>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch

thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:45:11 -0500, "modom (palindrome guy)"
> wrote:

>On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>>Giusi wrote:
>>> "ChattyCathy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> ...
>>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who fills wine glasses to the top?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, the check is in the mail. It's in zlotys.
>>>> Kewl. It might just might cover a ticket to Macbeth in Warsaw. I
>>>> just love those witches... don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Now
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chatty Cathy
>>>
>>> There is a bus from here to Poland that costs ?16 each way that the
>>> hired caregivers use to go back and forth every 90 days. I am going
>>> to take it with them soon. Really, it seems silly not to. I've
>>> never gone anywhere on a bus, so 24 hours ought to satisfy that
>>> curiosity.
>>
>>Feh! You'll never want to do it again!! I did it.... once. Years ago I
>>took a coach to visit friends in former Yugoslavia. Never again!!!
>>
>Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
>ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico City.
>In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I learned
>a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria riding
>behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly curves so
>he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But later that night
>in the mountains of central Mexico, when the transmission fell out of
>the bus and our driver fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform
>out in the chaparral so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after
>his ordeal, I learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face
>of mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.
>--
>
>modom

i wonder if there's a word in spanish for 'mensch'? maybe they use
the yiddish, too.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:42:02 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:

>modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>
>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
>>>> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico
>>>> City. In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus. I
>>>> learned a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad Victoria
>>>> riding behind the driver as he switched the lights off on the hilly
>>>> curves so he could see the lights of the oncoming traffic. But
>>>> later that night in the mountains of central Mexico, when the
>>>> transmission fell out of the bus and our driver fixed it in the
>>>> dark and changed his uniform out in the chaparral so he wouldn't
>>>> look like a grease jockey after his ordeal, I learned a lot about
>>>> maintaining your dignity in the face of mundane troubles. The guy
>>>> was a mensch.
>>>
>>> well I don't know what mensch is but I hope it means something
>>> excellent
>>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch
>
>thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)
>
i recommend leo rosten's (the guy cited in the wikipedia article) 'the
joys of yiddish.' the examples he uses for the definitions of yiddish
words are often quite funny. it's also a useful book.

your pal,
blake

blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:46:55 GMT:

??>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
??>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
??>>>
??>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
??>>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
??>>
??>> thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)
??>>
bm> i recommend leo rosten's (the guy cited in the wikipedia
bm> article) 'the joys of yiddish.' the examples he uses for
bm> the definitions of yiddish words are often quite funny.
bm> it's also a useful book.

I'd second that but it's "The Joys of Yinglish", I think! It's
surprising sometimes how someone's lack of knowledge can shake
you. Someone was recently called a "Naked Putz" on
http://finance.comcast.net/www/overview.html

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:42:02 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Back when I was young and immortal and Richard Nixon was newly
>>>>> ensconced in the White House, I took a bus from Dallas to Mexico
>>>>> City. In Brownsville we switched from a US bus to a Mexican bus.
>>>>> I learned a lot about my mortality at night outside Ciudad
>>>>> Victoria riding behind the driver as he switched the lights off
>>>>> on the hilly curves so he could see the lights of the oncoming
>>>>> traffic. But later that night in the mountains of central
>>>>> Mexico, when the transmission fell out of the bus and our driver
>>>>> fixed it in the dark and changed his uniform out in the chaparral
>>>>> so he wouldn't look like a grease jockey after his ordeal, I
>>>>> learned a lot about maintaining your dignity in the face of
>>>>> mundane troubles. The guy was a mensch.
>>>>
>>>> well I don't know what mensch is but I hope it means something
>>>> excellent
>>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch
>>
>> thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)
>>
> i recommend leo rosten's (the guy cited in the wikipedia article) 'the
> joys of yiddish.' the examples he uses for the definitions of yiddish
> words are often quite funny. it's also a useful book.

Thanks Blake I will see if it is available here

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:53:38 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:46:55 GMT:
>
> ??>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> ??>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
> ??>>>
> ??>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> ??>>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
> ??>>
> ??>> thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)
> ??>>
> bm> i recommend leo rosten's (the guy cited in the wikipedia
> bm> article) 'the joys of yiddish.' the examples he uses for
> bm> the definitions of yiddish words are often quite funny.
> bm> it's also a useful book.
>
>I'd second that but it's "The Joys of Yinglish", I think! It's
>surprising sometimes how someone's lack of knowledge can shake
>you. Someone was recently called a "Naked Putz" on
>http://finance.comcast.net/www/overview.html
>
>James Silverton

nope, 'joys of yiddish.' i've got it right here. i was hoping it
would help me catch more jewish girls.

your pal,
blake
>
>E-mail, with obvious alterations:
>not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

blake murphy > wrote:

> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>
> >"Hombre" has other connotations in my ear.
>
> but 'mensch' is pretty unambiguous.

Not if you speak German. In German, "Mensch" means "man" (in the sense
of "human being", "person"). It is pretty generic.

ObFood: "Der Mensch ist, was er ißt." ("Man is what he eats" or "you are
what you eat") -- Ludwig Feuerbach. ("Ist" and "ißt" are pronounced
identically.)

Victor

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:41:29 GMT, blake murphy >
wrote:

>i wonder if there's a word in spanish for 'mensch'? maybe they use
>the yiddish, too.
>
"Hombre" has other connotations in my ear.

It could be Yiddish has become in part what Esperanto aspired to be. I
read an interview with Anthony Burgess some years back in which he
maintained that Yiddish has had more influence on modern American
English than any other non-Anglo tongue. But he was a Brit, after
all.
--

modom

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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:38:41 -0500, "modom (palindrome guy)"
> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:41:29 GMT, blake murphy >
>wrote:
>
>>i wonder if there's a word in spanish for 'mensch'? maybe they use
>>the yiddish, too.
>>
>"Hombre" has other connotations in my ear.
>
that's a good point. but 'mensch' is pretty unambiguous.

>It could be Yiddish has become in part what Esperanto aspired to be. I
>read an interview with Anthony Burgess some years back in which he
>maintained that Yiddish has had more influence on modern American
>English than any other non-Anglo tongue. But he was a Brit, after
>all.
>--

burgess could be right. it's pretty funny to hear my mother, who's
pretty white-bread, use words like 'megillah,' which she probably
picked up from the johnny carson show, since she's not often at
synagogue.

your pal,
blake

blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:03:55 GMT:

??>> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:46:55 GMT:
??>>
??>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
??>>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
??>> > wrote:
??>>>>>
??>>>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
??>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
??>> > wrote:
??>>>>
??>>>> thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)
??>>>>
bm>>> i recommend leo rosten's (the guy cited in the wikipedia
bm>>> article) 'the joys of yiddish.' the examples he uses for
bm>>> the definitions of yiddish words are often quite funny.
bm>>> it's also a useful book.
??>>
??>> I'd second that but it's "The Joys of Yinglish", I think!
??>> It's surprising sometimes how someone's lack of knowledge
??>> can shake you. Someone was recently called a "Naked Putz"
??>> on http://finance.comcast.net/www/overview.html
??>>
??>> James Silverton

bm> nope, 'joys of yiddish.' i've got it right here. i was
bm> hoping it would help me catch more jewish girls.

bm> your pal,
bm> blake

I'll be....., there *are* 2 similar books? In front of me too,
I have "The Joys of Yinglish", Leo Rosten, 1999 but I note that
he is also listed as the author of "The Joys of Yiddish" so we
are both right!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

blake murphy > wrote:

> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>
> >"Hombre" has other connotations in my ear.
>
> but 'mensch' is pretty unambiguous.

Not if you speak German. In German, "Mensch" means "man" (in the sense
of "human being", "person"). It is pretty generic.

ObFood: "Der Mensch ist, was er ißt." ("Man is what he eats" or "you are
what you eat") -- Ludwig Feuerbach. ("Ist" and "ißt" are pronounced
identically.)

Victor

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:g5Ivi.974$jU4.905@trnddc02...
>
> I'll be....., there *are* 2 similar books? In front of me too, I have
> "The Joys of Yinglish", Leo Rosten, 1999 but I note that he is also listed
> as the author of "The Joys of Yiddish" so we are both right!

Oh I do love it when that happens

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:11:09 +0200, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>>
>> >"Hombre" has other connotations in my ear.
>>
>> but 'mensch' is pretty unambiguous.
>
>Not if you speak German. In German, "Mensch" means "man" (in the sense
>of "human being", "person"). It is pretty generic.
>
i'm probably in over my head here, but i guess that in yiddish it also
basically means 'human being.' but you don't often hear it except in
reference to an exemplary person.

i mean, you also hear in english 'be a man,' or something like that,
but it can also refer to less than stellar persons, especially when
the word 'man' is used by a woman.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:13:32 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:03:55 GMT:
>
> ??>> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:46:55 GMT:
> ??>>
> ??>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> ??>>>>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:58:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> ??>> > wrote:
> ??>>>>>
> ??>>>>>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> ??>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:15:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> ??>> > wrote:
> ??>>>>
> ??>>>> thank you Modom)) I agree, he was mensch)
> ??>>>>
> bm>>> i recommend leo rosten's (the guy cited in the wikipedia
> bm>>> article) 'the joys of yiddish.' the examples he uses for
> bm>>> the definitions of yiddish words are often quite funny.
> bm>>> it's also a useful book.
> ??>>
> ??>> I'd second that but it's "The Joys of Yinglish", I think!
> ??>> It's surprising sometimes how someone's lack of knowledge
> ??>> can shake you. Someone was recently called a "Naked Putz"
> ??>> on http://finance.comcast.net/www/overview.html
> ??>>
> ??>> James Silverton
>
> bm> nope, 'joys of yiddish.' i've got it right here. i was
> bm> hoping it would help me catch more jewish girls.
>
> bm> your pal,
> bm> blake
>
>I'll be....., there *are* 2 similar books? In front of me too,
>I have "The Joys of Yinglish", Leo Rosten, 1999 but I note that
>he is also listed as the author of "The Joys of Yiddish" so we
>are both right!
>
>James Silverton

don't you love it when that happens?

i have a similar book around here somewhere, also by rosten, but i
think it was 'more joys of yiddish.' but it was not quite as good,
IMGO (that's 'in my goyish opinion').

your pal,
blake

blake murphy > wrote:

> (Victor Sack) wrote:
>
> >blake murphy > wrote:
> >>
> >> but 'mensch' is pretty unambiguous.
> >
> >Not if you speak German. In German, "Mensch" means "man" (in the sense
> >of "human being", "person"). It is pretty generic.
> >
> i'm probably in over my head here, but i guess that in yiddish it also
> basically means 'human being.' but you don't often hear it except in
> reference to an exemplary person.

Because the meaning is emotional rather than just factual, as it would
be in German. "Mensch" in the sense of simply "person" is as impersonal
as could be.

> i mean, you also hear in english 'be a man,' or something like that,
> but it can also refer to less than stellar persons, especially when
> the word 'man' is used by a woman.

Because here, too, emotion is involved. "Dog", too, can be used in an
abusive or endearing sense, but more often it is just a designation of a
particular kind of quadruped or, in a particularly sloppy fashion, as a
certain kind of sausage in a bun, or even of that kind of sausage as
such.

Victor