"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> blake murphy wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Cutting people slack works both ways. Their self esteem is not my
problem.
> > >They have no right to search. Most of them are retired people filling
in
> > >their days and supplementing pensions by doing a job that someone who
> > >really needs a job could be doing, and for a decent wage instead of one
> > >that really doesn't matter to the old fart who just wants to get out of
the
> > >house.
> >
> > wtf? the pay is going to be crappy no matter who holds the job. what
> > do retirees have to do with anything?
>
> That is probably the case with WalMart because the company is out to make
> as much profit as possible while making sure that their employees and
> suppliers get as little as possible. That is made easier for them and
> others like them when there are large numbers of retired people who are
> looking for something to fill their day and don't really need the money. I
> wouldn't want to try to live on what they pay.

Being a Wal-Mart supplier is like having a massive case of Stockholm
Syndrome. They charge you up the nose for everything. You have to drop
ship all over the planet at your cost, you have to pay them for
advertisement. If so much as an invoice is late they slap you with a
penalty. If a shipment is late, it is a 1500.00 fine. And every year,
they demand you lower your price 5%.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> I got "sticker shock" when we moved to Southern Az.
>>>> The local FRYs and SuperValue charge .10 > .50 more per item !
>>>>
>>>> It's actually worth it to make a monthly 70 mile drive
>>>> to Tucson WalMart for dry-goods.
>>>
>>> So you'd drive a 140 mile round trip to save what, a few bucks?
>>> Sure hope you drive a Prius.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> One would think online ordering and shipping charges would be
>> cheaper
>
> I actually iknew a guy once who drove 250 miles round trip to buy soft
> drinks. Yep, cases for the price of a six pak. It only cost him 40
> bucks in gas to save 20 bucks. He was so proud.
>
> Paul

ROFLMAO It takes all kinds!

Nancy Young wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>
>> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
>> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
>> your bags.
>
> When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
>
Dave, you didn't answer Nancy's question. Do they search you on the way IN?
No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>>
>>> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
>>> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
>>> your bags.
>>
>> When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
>>
> Dave, you didn't answer Nancy's question. Do they search you on the way
> IN?
> No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
> accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?

I was just curious, to me a greeter meets you on the way in, but maybe
WalMart calls the people who check you on the way out greeters, too.

I certainly don't ever seem to hear anything about the store that would
entice me to walk into any of their stores. I understand that, in some
places, there is no choice, that's a shame.

My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.

nancy

jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
> >> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
> >> your bags.
> >
> > When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
> >
> Dave, you didn't answer Nancy's question. Do they search you on the way IN?
> No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
> accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?

Yes. I once had one of them try to look into a bag I was taking into the
store with me. I told the "greeter" that if they thought I was a thief I
could take my business elsewhere. I don't know if they still do it. I never
go in the store.

Nancy Young > wrote in message
. ..
[snip]
> My first experience with a greeter was not at a
> WalMart, it was some other chain. I was walking
> in and some guy stopped me and told me about
> some special. [..]

Is that what's going on in the box stores like Best Buy, Target,
and even supermarkets like Safeway and Albertson's? I wondered...

Like you, I am polite but really don't care about their daily
specials enough to waste my time standing there hoping I'll
remember them beyond my immediate list of items.

ObFood: Mahi mahi lightly dusted with cinnamon over lemon
linguini. I expected leftovers; the little piranhas decimated the
entire dish.

The Ranger

I never realized how much animosity WalMart generated.

Is it "the box" ? the foreign merchandise ? the non-union environment ?

Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"

TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.

KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"

SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.

And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...

OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.

The terrorists HAVE won !!

<rj>

"" wrote:
>
>
>
> Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
>
> TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
>
> KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
>
> SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
>
> And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
> God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
> they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
>
> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>
> The terrorists HAVE won !!


Canadian Tire has gone the same way. It used to be a good place for auto
parts, hardware and sporting goods. They used to have knowledgeable staff.
Then they branched out into house wares and started hiring people whose
only qualification was willingness to work cheap. I once went to one of
their stores to buy a rifle. I asked the lady at the sporting good counter
to show me a .22 rifle in the display. She handed me a shotgun. She did not
know the difference between a small calibre rifle and a shotgun. I had an
even worse experience a few months ago when looking for an inner tube for
the my lawn tractor wagon. Not finding any on the shelf I went to the
automotive department counter and waited close to 10 minutes for someone to
come and help me. I told him what I was looking for..... inner tube for
lawn tractor wagon and gave him the size. He asked "What is an inner
tube?" I was stunned. How could someone on the counter in the automotive
department not know what an inner tube is?

<RJ> wrote:
> I never realized how much animosity WalMart generated.
>
> Is it "the box" ? the foreign merchandise ? the non-union environment ?
>
> Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
>
> TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
>
> KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
>
> SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
>
> And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
> God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
> they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
>
> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.


Not yet at least in my area. We have a great local large mom & pop
Italian market. It has a real meat department (no embalmed meat or
Hillshure crap sausage like products.) and a great produce department.
There is a great German bakery and a deli that makes sandwiches that are
20x better than anything Subway ever thought of in my town. There are 2
great Italian bakeries and a Jewish bakery nearby (bread products). A
Polish butcher shop that makes real kielbasa and other sausage products
(no Hillshure crap). Numerous pizzerias that run rings around any Pizza
Hut/Dominoes industrial place. A couple great Mom & Pop Italian
restaurants that put Olive Garden to shame. A great local seafood
restaurant. Another great Polish restaurant. I could go on.

>
> The terrorists HAVE won !!
>
> <rj>

"<RJ>" > wrote in message
...
>
> I never realized how much animosity WalMart generated.
>
> Is it "the box" ? the foreign merchandise ? the non-union environment
> ?
>
> Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
>
> TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
>
> KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
>
> SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
>
> And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
> God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
> they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
>
> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>
> The terrorists HAVE won !!
>
> <rj>

Not quite! You will find it hard to believe, but I have an old-fashioned
hardware store right on Newbury Street in Boston's Back Bay. It's a tiny
store, a half flight up over a chic restaurant, and it has clerks who will
take you around and find what you need if you're DIY-impaired. It's like
stepping back into my childhood.

Felice

">> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>
>
> Not yet at least in my area. We have a great local large mom & pop Italian
> market. It has a real meat department (no embalmed meat or Hillshure crap
> sausage like products.) and a great produce department. There is a great
> German bakery and a deli that makes sandwiches that are 20x better than
> anything Subway ever thought of in my town. There are 2 great Italian
> bakeries and a Jewish bakery nearby (bread products). A Polish butcher
> shop that makes real kielbasa and other sausage products (no Hillshure
> crap). Numerous pizzerias that run rings around any Pizza Hut/Dominoes
> industrial place. A couple great Mom & Pop Italian restaurants that put
> Olive Garden to shame. A great local seafood restaurant. Another great
> Polish restaurant. I could go on.
>

What is the population of the area you live?
I wouldn't mind TRAVELING to a place to get these foods if they were all in
one place -- nope, not NYC, please; nor Chicage, nor L.A., nor Philadelphia,
nor D.C.; let's see -- do I have any other requirements ;-))
Dee Dee

Nancy Young > wrote:

> My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
> other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
> about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
> anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
> just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
> there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.

Some bright light a few years back, maybe 20 or more now, did some sort
of study and figured out that stores where the customer was greeted
within X amount of time of entering the store had lower shoplifting
rates. This spawned the idea of having a greeter at the door of large
stores like WalMart so that *every* customer got at least a "hello"
on the way in. I don't know if this translated into actual lower
shrinkage or not, but the belief in the industry is strong.

Some time later the store management types decided to also have
the greeters check receipts of people on the way out. This has had
varying success. For example the local WalMart here tried it for a
while but gave up. Presumably, it caused to much bad will with their
customers.

This is an example of how a reasonable idea gets taken to a stupid
extreme.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:59:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first turned me
>> >off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search your bags. I
>> >resent the assumption that I may be shoplifting. While they have reason to
>> >be concerned about theft they have no right to search my things just
>> >because I am in the store. If they have seen me shove something in a bag
>> >and walk out without paying for it that is a different matter, but they
>> >have no right to search without cause.
>>
>> incorrect. wal-mart is not the government; you have no fourth
>> amendment rights there.
>
>The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to me because I am not in the US, but
>citizens cannot go around searching other citizens. In order to search
>someone, they need to have authority. The only people who have the
>authority work for the government. If a WalMart employee wants to search
>me or my bags he or she is going to have to make a citizen's arrest, and
>then they will run the risk of making an illegal arrest and that is more
>trouble than they need.
>
i don't know where you live; you'd have to check your local statutes.
but the citizen's arrest is nonsense. you're on their property, at
their sufferance. (there have been lawsuits if a pattern for, say,
searching all young black males, but that falls afoul of
discrimination laws, not fourth amendment rights.)

>> (of course, your fourth amendment rights are dwindling under the
>> government, but that's another story.)
>
>No argument there. :-(
>
>> do you think shoplifters have some kind of tattoos on their foreheads
>> that say 'search me, i'm a thief?'
>
>Of course not, but they need probable cause, and simply carrying a bag
>through their store does not constitute probable cause.
>
you have to meet certain conditions to be on their property to begin
with. 'no shirt, no service' and the like. theirs no 'probable
cause' involved. you surrender the right to not have your bag
inspected when you enter the store. of course, you can refuse, but
likely you will be asked to leave the premises at the very least.
>
>> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
>> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
>> the right to do so.
>
>They may have the right to search their employees, and I don't know US law
>well enough to make a qualified statement, but they do not have the right
>to do it here.

where is here? check out singapore sometime.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:07:19 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
>> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
>> the right to do so.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>Show me!
>Dee Dee
>
you show me yours first.

your pal,
doctor blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:34:07 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>>>
>>>> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
>>>> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
>>>> your bags.
>>>
>>> When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
>>>
>> Dave, you didn't answer Nancy's question. Do they search you on the way
>> IN?
>> No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
>> accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?
>
>I was just curious, to me a greeter meets you on the way in, but maybe
>WalMart calls the people who check you on the way out greeters, too.
>
>I certainly don't ever seem to hear anything about the store that would
>entice me to walk into any of their stores. I understand that, in some
>places, there is no choice, that's a shame.
>
>My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
>other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
>about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
>anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
>just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
>there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.
>
>nancy
>
the greeters at wal-mart and, particularly, others who work at
members-only warehouse frequently have some tales to tell over at
*customers suck*

<http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/>

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:51:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now that you mention it, that was one of the things that first
>> >> turned me off WalMart, their having a "greeter" who wants to search
>> >> your bags.
>> >
>> > When you say greeter, you mean they search you on the way in?
>> >
>> Dave, you didn't answer Nancy's question. Do they search you on the way IN?
>> No, they don't. If that's what you're inferring it's a ridiculous
>> accusation. Who has reason to search someone just entering a store?
>
>Yes. I once had one of them try to look into a bag I was taking into the
>store with me. I told the "greeter" that if they thought I was a thief I
>could take my business elsewhere. I don't know if they still do it. I never
>go in the store.

i'm quite sure that broke their hearts.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:35:51 -0700, "<RJ>" >
wrote:

>
>I never realized how much animosity WalMart generated.
>
>Is it "the box" ? the foreign merchandise ? the non-union environment ?
>
>Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
>
>TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
>
>KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
>
>SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
>
>And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
>God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
>they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
>
>OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>
>The terrorists HAVE won !!
>
><rj>

yeah, but only because liberal pantywaists complain so much.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:11:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>"" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Come to think of it, LOWES and Home Depot are "big-boxes"
>>
>> TARGET has a uniformerd security guard in their store.
>>
>> KMART could be relabeled "China Outlet"
>>
>> SEARS uses all part-time underpaid highschool kids.
>>
>> And my BIG-BOX grocery store.....
>> God knows how many deli's, bakerys, greens-grocers
>> they've put out of business with their predatory pricing...
>>
>> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>>
>> The terrorists HAVE won !!
>
>
>Canadian Tire has gone the same way. It used to be a good place for auto
>parts, hardware and sporting goods. They used to have knowledgeable staff.
>Then they branched out into house wares and started hiring people whose
>only qualification was willingness to work cheap. I once went to one of
>their stores to buy a rifle. I asked the lady at the sporting good counter
>to show me a .22 rifle in the display. She handed me a shotgun. She did not
>know the difference between a small calibre rifle and a shotgun. I had an
>even worse experience a few months ago when looking for an inner tube for
>the my lawn tractor wagon. Not finding any on the shelf I went to the
>automotive department counter and waited close to 10 minutes for someone to
>come and help me. I told him what I was looking for..... inner tube for
>lawn tractor wagon and gave him the size. He asked "What is an inner
>tube?" I was stunned. How could someone on the counter in the automotive
>department not know what an inner tube is?

in situations like that it helps to have a part number, if you can
possibly lay your hands on it.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:07:19 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
>>> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
>>> the right to do so.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>>
>>Show me!
>>Dee Dee
>>
> you show me yours first.
>
> your pal,
> doctor blake

Guys have asked me to do that before, but I won't do it!
Dee Dee

Felice Friese wrote:
>
>
> Not quite! You will find it hard to believe, but I have an old-fashioned
> hardware store right on Newbury Street in Boston's Back Bay. It's a tiny
> store, a half flight up over a chic restaurant, and it has clerks who will
> take you around and find what you need if you're DIY-impaired. It's like
> stepping back into my childhood.
>

I have several small hardware stores where I get excellent service and
quality products. While their stock is limited, they have the basics for
home repairs. Better yet, they will tell me what I need and even show me
how to do it. The best one is in my little down and it is run by two
women. They really know their stuff. Even better, being women and from a
small town, they know most of their regular customers and will solicit
advice from them. I few months ago when I was doing a small plumbing job
and ran into trouble, she grabbed the local handyman and had him tell me
what I needed. The one in the next town is pretty good. I get all my keys
cut there. They have never failed me.

I always make sure to go to these places first. If I don't, the big useless
stores are going to put them out of business and I will be screwed. The
extra little cost is a bargain considering the free advice I get.

"blake murphy" > wrote

> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:34:07 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:

>>My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
>>other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
>>about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
>>anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
>>just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
>>there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.

> the greeters at wal-mart and, particularly, others who work at
> members-only warehouse frequently have some tales to tell over at
> *customers suck*
>
> <http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/>

Nice segue, you sayin I suck as a customer? Heh.

nancy

blake murphy wrote:
>
> i don't know where you live; you'd have to check your local statutes.
> but the citizen's arrest is nonsense. you're on their property, at
> their sufferance. (there have been lawsuits if a pattern for, say,
> searching all young black males, but that falls afoul of
> discrimination laws, not fourth amendment rights.)

It does not matter if I am on their property or not. Being a clerk in a
store, or even the owner of a store gives them no right to search me unless
they has reasonable grounds. Simply having a bag in my hand is not
reasonable grounds.


> you have to meet certain conditions to be on their property to begin
> with. 'no shirt, no service' and the like. theirs no 'probable
> cause' involved. you surrender the right to not have your bag
> inspected when you enter the store. of course, you can refuse, but
> likely you will be asked to leave the premises at the very least.

While they may refuse me entrance to their store if I do not submit to a
search, that still does not give them the right to search. I have refused
the search and been admitted.


> >They may have the right to search their employees, and I don't know US law
> >well enough to make a qualified statement, but they do not have the right
> >to do it here.
>
> where is here? check out singapore sometime.
>
I am in Canada, not Singapore.

> wrote

> Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
>> other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
>> about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
>> anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
>> just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service
>> is
>> there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.
>
> Some bright light a few years back, maybe 20 or more now, did some sort
> of study and figured out that stores where the customer was greeted
> within X amount of time of entering the store had lower shoplifting
> rates. This spawned the idea of having a greeter at the door of large
> stores like WalMart so that *every* customer got at least a "hello"
> on the way in. I don't know if this translated into actual lower
> shrinkage or not, but the belief in the industry is strong.

I thought it was some kind of southern thing.

> Some time later the store management types decided to also have
> the greeters check receipts of people on the way out. This has had
> varying success. For example the local WalMart here tried it for a
> while but gave up. Presumably, it caused to much bad will with their
> customers.

I'm not thrilled Costco does it, either. I don't even know how I'm
supposed to steal anything betweent the cashier and the door anyway.

Worse was the electronics store that had all the cameras behind
a counter (as they should, I guess) and no one to sell them. So I
left the store with no camera, but there was a guy waiting to check
my bags on the way out. Thanks for nothing. If, theoretically, I can't
get out of the store without paying for it, don't lock it up.

Gee, and they're having financial trouble. Can't think why, they
don't sell you anything but they'll pay someone to search you.
Get me outta here!

nancy

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> > wrote

> > Some time later the store management types decided to also have
> > the greeters check receipts of people on the way out.

> I'm not thrilled Costco does it, either. I don't even know how I'm
> supposed to steal anything betweent the cashier and the door anyway.


It's not too complicated. Let's say that your name is Nancy Ripoff, and
you have a friend named Brenda Ripoff, who is a cashier. You go to the
store, and pick out stuff. You get in Brenda's line. She "forgets" to
record most of your purchases. You meet up with Brenda later, and give
her money or a share of the goods.

This happens very often. My wife worked in retail for a short while.
They were continually firing people for this. The owner would monitor
the beer sales. When the beer kept leaving, and the money didn't come
in, then he would make a surprise visit and fire the employee when they
let the friend take the case of beer without charging them.

"Dan Abel" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> > wrote
>
>> > Some time later the store management types decided to also have
>> > the greeters check receipts of people on the way out.
>
>> I'm not thrilled Costco does it, either. I don't even know how I'm
>> supposed to steal anything betweent the cashier and the door anyway.

> It's not too complicated. Let's say that your name is Nancy Ripoff, and
> you have a friend named Brenda Ripoff, who is a cashier. You go to the
> store, and pick out stuff. You get in Brenda's line. She "forgets" to
> record most of your purchases. You meet up with Brenda later, and give
> her money or a share of the goods.

But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other stores
check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger' and
cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since the other
customers are invariably standing there watching), all they'd need is a
'friendly' cart checker.

I think camera surveillance on the cashiers would be more effective if
that was the problem. I imagine they already have that.

nancy

Dee Dee wrote:
> ">> OHMYGAWD..... Ma&Pa stores are all gone.
>>
>> Not yet at least in my area. We have a great local large mom & pop Italian
>> market. It has a real meat department (no embalmed meat or Hillshure crap
>> sausage like products.) and a great produce department. There is a great
>> German bakery and a deli that makes sandwiches that are 20x better than
>> anything Subway ever thought of in my town. There are 2 great Italian
>> bakeries and a Jewish bakery nearby (bread products). A Polish butcher
>> shop that makes real kielbasa and other sausage products (no Hillshure
>> crap). Numerous pizzerias that run rings around any Pizza Hut/Dominoes
>> industrial place. A couple great Mom & Pop Italian restaurants that put
>> Olive Garden to shame. A great local seafood restaurant. Another great
>> Polish restaurant. I could go on.
>>
>
> What is the population of the area you live?
> I wouldn't mind TRAVELING to a place to get these foods if they were all in
> one place -- nope, not NYC, please; nor Chicage, nor L.A., nor Philadelphia,
> nor D.C.; let's see -- do I have any other requirements ;-))
> Dee Dee
>
>
Its really an old time metropolitan area. The largest city is around 90,000.

Its just not realistic to expect that all of the quality shops would be
in one place. Generally if you want that you need to accept the
mediocrity of the big box places.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other stores
> check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger' and
> cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since the other
> customers are invariably standing there watching), all they'd need is a
> 'friendly' cart checker.
>
> I think camera surveillance on the cashiers would be more effective if
> that was the problem. I imagine they already have that.
>
> nancy
>
I guess then you haven't been to a Sam's Club. They take the receipt as you
exit and check off every item, marking the receipt. I don't like the
process. You are screened as you go in the door the treated as a criminal as
you walk out. I just wish other stores in the area would carry the items I
buy there. Then I wouldn't have to go through the "Wal-Fart/Sam's Club"
entrance and exit check-over.

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote
>
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:

> >> I'm not thrilled Costco does it, either. I don't even know how I'm
> >> supposed to steal anything betweent the cashier and the door anyway.
>
> > It's not too complicated. Let's say that your name is Nancy Ripoff, and
> > you have a friend named Brenda Ripoff, who is a cashier. You go to the
> > store, and pick out stuff. You get in Brenda's line. She "forgets" to
> > record most of your purchases. You meet up with Brenda later, and give
> > her money or a share of the goods.
>
> But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other stores
> check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger' and
> cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since the other
> customers are invariably standing there watching), all they'd need is a
> 'friendly' cart checker.

I think you're correct. I suspect Costco doesn't have much of this type
of employee theft. Between having two employees at the checkstand (have
you ever wondered why they do that?) and the employee checking baskets
at the exit, cashiers who are interested in stealing probably get jobs
somewhere else.

> I think camera surveillance on the cashiers would be more effective if
> that was the problem. I imagine they already have that.

I haven't noticed it, but wouldn't be surprised. A relative has a shop
with remote controlled cameras. She can see everything on her home
computer. If someone takes too long of a lunch, she will call them and
tell them to get back to work.

"Let the big fish rule" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other stores
>> check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger' and
>> cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since the other
>> customers are invariably standing there watching), all they'd need is a
>> 'friendly' cart checker.
>>
>> I think camera surveillance on the cashiers would be more effective if
>> that was the problem. I imagine they already have that.
>>
>> nancy
>>
> I guess then you haven't been to a Sam's Club. They take the receipt as
> you exit and check off every item, marking the receipt. I don't like the
> process. You are screened as you go in the door the treated as a criminal
> as you walk out. I just wish other stores in the area would carry the
> items I buy there. Then I wouldn't have to go through the "Wal-Fart/Sam's
> Club" entrance and exit check-over.
>
In the Costco I shop most in, they check your groceries in your cart against
your sales receipt. I love this - you wanna know why?
They charged me for (an example) 6 bottles of the same thing, vs. I only had
5 in the cart). It goes both ways. The people that have been there since
the store opened give me a fast thru mostly, but the new ones will
scrutinize what I have, picking thru my 'stuff.' Ha!

The people at the door do mark your returns, and are very diligent. I never
mind that. But, having said that, there are checkers that I will never go
thru their lines, no matter if I have to wait much longer.
Dee Dee

Nancy Young wrote:

> But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other
> stores check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger'
> and cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since
> the other customers are invariably standing there watching), all
> they'd need is a 'friendly' cart checker.

The Coscto I use has two checkers, so the cashier would have to have
them both in his or her pocket since a given cart could be checked by
either of them. This would not be impossible, but it increases the
difficulty.


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>Their ground beef sucks big time, it has a funky, rubber texture to it
>and believe me...I know my ground beef.

All of their meat sucks. Meat, poultry, "seafood."
Our Super WalMart doesn't even have a manned seafood station anymore.
Just frozen and previously frozen crap.

All of their beef is horrible "contains solution" soylent green.

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other
>> stores check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger'
>> and cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since
>> the other customers are invariably standing there watching), all
>> they'd need is a 'friendly' cart checker.
>
> The Coscto I use has two checkers, so the cashier would have to have
> them both in his or her pocket since a given cart could be checked by
> either of them. This would not be impossible, but it increases the
> difficulty.

Exactly what I said. That's 3 people who'd have to be on the
scam, plus the customer.

nancy

"Dee Dee" > wrote

> In the Costco I shop most in, they check your groceries in your cart
> against your sales receipt. I love this - you wanna know why?
> They charged me for (an example) 6 bottles of the same thing, vs. I only
> had 5 in the cart). It goes both ways. The people that have been there
> since the store opened give me a fast thru mostly, but the new ones will
> scrutinize what I have, picking thru my 'stuff.' Ha!

Last time I went the cashier only rang up 5 cases of seltzer and
I was pretty sure I had 6. Because I like to make my life as
difficult as possible, I didn't say anything to her but checked the
receipt after walking away. Went to customer service and got it
cleared up. When I left, there was a new (to me) person checking
the carts, she was like a hawk. I handed her the long receipt and
she paused when she realized the discrepancy, then I handed her
the other receipt. She was laughing, okay! You could see she was
not sure should she make a stink about the 'free' seltzer.

nancy

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:39:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> i don't know where you live; you'd have to check your local statutes.
>> but the citizen's arrest is nonsense. you're on their property, at
>> their sufferance. (there have been lawsuits if a pattern for, say,
>> searching all young black males, but that falls afoul of
>> discrimination laws, not fourth amendment rights.)
>
>It does not matter if I am on their property or not. Being a clerk in a
>store, or even the owner of a store gives them no right to search me unless
>they has reasonable grounds. Simply having a bag in my hand is not
>reasonable grounds.
>
i don't know about canada, but in america 'reasonable grounds' have
nothing to do with it. that's all i'm saying.
>
>> you have to meet certain conditions to be on their property to begin
>> with. 'no shirt, no service' and the like. theirs no 'probable
>> cause' involved. you surrender the right to not have your bag
>> inspected when you enter the store. of course, you can refuse, but
>> likely you will be asked to leave the premises at the very least.
>
>While they may refuse me entrance to their store if I do not submit to a
>search, that still does not give them the right to search. I have refused
>the search and been admitted.
>
then what's the problem? that they were insolent enough to ask?
>
>> >They may have the right to search their employees, and I don't know US law
>> >well enough to make a qualified statement, but they do not have the right
>> >to do it here.
>>
>> where is here? check out singapore sometime.
>>
> I am in Canada, not Singapore.

and they're rooting around in your bags? i thought canadians were
polite.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:27:10 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:07:19 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
>>>> whether it's good business practice to search mild-mannered citizens
>>>> such as yourself is another question. but they most certainly have
>>>> the right to do so.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>Show me!
>>>Dee Dee
>>>
>> you show me yours first.
>>
>> your pal,
>> doctor blake
>
>Guys have asked me to do that before, but I won't do it!
>Dee Dee
>

how 'bout if i buy you a drink first?

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:33:00 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:34:07 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>
>>>My first experience with a greeter was not at a WalMart, it was some
>>>other chain. I was walking in and some guy stopped me and told me
>>>about some special. I was polite, I don't want anyone to think I said
>>>anything to the guy, but my reaction was What, I have to talk to someone
>>>just to get in the store? Get lost? Heh. My idea of personal service is
>>>there is someone around to ask when I need them. Not at the door.
>
>> the greeters at wal-mart and, particularly, others who work at
>> members-only warehouse frequently have some tales to tell over at
>> *customers suck*
>>
>> <http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/>
>
>Nice segue, you sayin I suck as a customer? Heh.
>
>nancy
>
not at all, my little sweet potato. i'm just saying they have gripes,
too.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:30:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Felice Friese wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not quite! You will find it hard to believe, but I have an old-fashioned
>> hardware store right on Newbury Street in Boston's Back Bay. It's a tiny
>> store, a half flight up over a chic restaurant, and it has clerks who will
>> take you around and find what you need if you're DIY-impaired. It's like
>> stepping back into my childhood.
>>
>
>I have several small hardware stores where I get excellent service and
>quality products. While their stock is limited, they have the basics for
>home repairs. Better yet, they will tell me what I need and even show me
>how to do it. The best one is in my little down and it is run by two
>women. They really know their stuff. Even better, being women and from a
>small town, they know most of their regular customers and will solicit
>advice from them. I few months ago when I was doing a small plumbing job
>and ran into trouble, she grabbed the local handyman and had him tell me
>what I needed. The one in the next town is pretty good. I get all my keys
>cut there. They have never failed me.
>
>I always make sure to go to these places first. If I don't, the big useless
>stores are going to put them out of business and I will be screwed. The
>extra little cost is a bargain considering the free advice I get.

this is something that people should bear in mind, but frequently
don't. and when the big box has driven all the small places out, it's
too late.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:24:22 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"Let the big fish rule" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>
>>> But this is specific to Costco. Electronics store aside, no other stores
>>> check my bags on the way out. And since at Costco the 'bagger' and
>>> cashier would have to be in cahoots (not to mention slick since the other
>>> customers are invariably standing there watching), all they'd need is a
>>> 'friendly' cart checker.
>>>
>>> I think camera surveillance on the cashiers would be more effective if
>>> that was the problem. I imagine they already have that.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>> I guess then you haven't been to a Sam's Club. They take the receipt as
>> you exit and check off every item, marking the receipt. I don't like the
>> process. You are screened as you go in the door the treated as a criminal
>> as you walk out. I just wish other stores in the area would carry the
>> items I buy there. Then I wouldn't have to go through the "Wal-Fart/Sam's
>> Club" entrance and exit check-over.
>>
>In the Costco I shop most in, they check your groceries in your cart against
>your sales receipt. I love this - you wanna know why?
>They charged me for (an example) 6 bottles of the same thing, vs. I only had
>5 in the cart). It goes both ways. The people that have been there since
>the store opened give me a fast thru mostly, but the new ones will
>scrutinize what I have, picking thru my 'stuff.' Ha!
>

this is particularly bad if you have a fat ass. then they snicker
after you leave.

your pal,
blake

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>
> Exactly what I said. That's 3 people who'd have to be on the
> scam, plus the customer.
>
> nancy

That is only one of many types of scams. Ever open the carton of a TV?
Note how much empty space is in there due to the shape of the case around
the tube. Think about how many pounds of beef can be hidden in that box.
There are a hundred others like that being pulled off every day. Sad, but
true. Swapping box contents is fairly common.

BJ's does the check at the door also.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>
>> Exactly what I said. That's 3 people who'd have to be on the
>> scam, plus the customer.

> That is only one of many types of scams. Ever open the carton of a TV?
> Note how much empty space is in there due to the shape of the case around
> the tube. Think about how many pounds of beef can be hidden in that box.
> There are a hundred others like that being pulled off every day. Sad, but
> true. Swapping box contents is fairly common.

Surprising no one would notice someone retaping a box.
They seem to be checking how many cases of soda, how many
meat items, whatever. No tv in my cart. Just saying, they really do
seem to be checking how many items, not especially looking to see
if I snuck something into a different container, because I don't buy
stuff like that.

I had no problem when the cashier at Lowe's checked the inside of a
large toolbox I was buying. Talk about a made to order opportunity
to walk out with expensive stuff.

Just strikes me as strange at Costco, they paw through the cart
to see what you have, then 10 yards later they think something might
have changed, even though there is no merchandise there to steal.

nancy