Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
of the newest Super WalMart.

That sucks.

The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
than $1.89 at Kroger.

WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.

I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
slight horseradish flavoring.

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
...
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> slight horseradish flavoring.


Wal Mart didn't kill your Jewel. Stupid customers killed it.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:15:16 GMT, Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:

>Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>of the newest Super WalMart.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

I would get the hell out of this country. The produce in Warsaw is
just lovely this time of year.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> > of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> > That sucks.
>
> > The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> > chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> > than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> > WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
> > I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> > slight horseradish flavoring.
>
> Wal Mart didn't kill your Jewel. Stupid customers killed it.



Nope, *Jewel* killed Jewel...

My local Jewel (Lakeview 'hood on the north side of Chicago, it's the
Broadway & Addison location) is ghastly. A new Whole Foods opened two
blocks away from them; with WH's lower prices (YES, you read that
right, Jewel is more expensive than WH), superior stock, and better
service hopefully this BLIGHT of a Jewel will be put out of business
or forced to change it's ways...

Jewel used to be a decent chain, now it's a rip off and a sheer
travesty of it's former self...


--
Best
Greg

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
...
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.

It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they have
never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes stores
to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move to
a neighborhood that has people of good taste.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Mitch <Mitch> wrote:
>The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
>chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
>than $1.89 at Kroger.

But competition is GOOD for the consumer...

--Blair

Mitch wrote:
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>


Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store, your local
pharmacy, sporting goods store, bike shop, craft store, shoe store, and
probably your entire downtown. Wait till they build another Super
Walmart three or four miles away. It's like the Monster that Devoured
Cleveland....

gloria p
WalMart hater

In article >,
Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:

> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.

Actually, your neighbors killed those supermarkets by not shopping there
enough. Evidently, they felt the lower prices Wal-Mart offers offset any
disadvantages one has by shopping there.

In article > ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
> ...
> > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> > of the newest Super WalMart.
> >
> > That sucks.
>
> It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they have
> never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes stores
> to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move to
> a neighborhood that has people of good taste.

Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
three other supermarkets in that area. The Wegman's is the newest of
those supermarkets. That place is always packed! The other two
supermarkets feared Wegman's, not Wal-Mart. Wegman's took a good deal of
the other two supermarkets' business away from them, but fortunately,
the quality of selection at Wegman's is incredible, which is probably
why they are doing so well.

"Shawn Hirn" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>> > of the newest Super WalMart.
>> >
>> > That sucks.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they
>> have
>> never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes
>> stores
>> to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move
>> to
>> a neighborhood that has people of good taste.
>
> Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
> three other supermarkets in that area. The Wegman's is the newest of
> those supermarkets. That place is always packed! The other two
> supermarkets feared Wegman's, not Wal-Mart. Wegman's took a good deal of
> the other two supermarkets' business away from them, but fortunately,
> the quality of selection at Wegman's is incredible, which is probably
> why they are doing so well.

What are the other two supermarkets?

In article > ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
> ...
> > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> > of the newest Super WalMart.
> >
> > That sucks.
>
> It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they have
> never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes stores
> to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move to
> a neighborhood that has people of good taste.

Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
three other supermarkets in that area. The Wegman's is the newest of
those supermarkets. That place is always packed! The other two
supermarkets feared Wegman's, not Wal-Mart. Wegman's took a good deal of
the other two supermarkets' business away from them, but fortunately,
the quality of selection at Wegman's is incredible, which is probably
why they are doing so well.

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>> > of the newest Super WalMart.
>> >
>> > That sucks.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with Wal Mart. In the history of the chain, they
>> have
>> never closed another store. It is the lack of customers that causes
>> stores
>> to close. Wal Mart meats and produce are junk, IMO, so you need to move
>> to
>> a neighborhood that has people of good taste.
>
> Right. I live near Cherry Hill, NJ. There's a Wal-Mart only a mile from
> three other supermarkets in that area. The Wegman's is the newest of
> those supermarkets. That place is always packed! The other two
> supermarkets feared Wegman's, not Wal-Mart. Wegman's took a good deal of
> the other two supermarkets' business away from them, but fortunately,
> the quality of selection at Wegman's is incredible, which is probably
> why they are doing so well.

Are you going to be Stan, or Shawn for the rest of the day?

On Aug 7, 8:15 pm, Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> slight horseradish flavoring.

At this point in history, most Amuricans consider destruction of
property to be a form of turrurism, and turrurism to be bad, That
could change.

--Bryan

>
>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,

Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.

"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
...
>
>>
>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>
> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.

Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're always
busy. Have been for many years.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:31:27 -0400, Stan Horwitz >
wrote:

>Actually, your neighbors killed those supermarkets by not shopping there
>enough. Evidently, they felt the lower prices Wal-Mart offers offset any
>disadvantages one has by shopping there.

Consumers vote with their purchasing dollars !

I got "sticker shock" when we moved to Southern Az.
The local FRYs and SuperValue charge .10 > .50 more per item !

It's actually worth it to make a monthly 70 mile drive
to Tucson WalMart for dry-goods.


<rj>

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>>
>>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>
>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>
> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
> always busy. Have been for many years.

The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
engages in predatory capitalism. The same kind that was pioneered by he
likes of J. Paul Getty. Monolithic corporations like Wal-Mart routinely
engage in business practices which are aimed at stifling competition,
forcing out competitors, presenting barrier to new competition and fixing
prices. None of this is good for anyone but the monopolistic corps.

Every Wal-Mart I have visited is a filthy dump with garbage filled parking
lots, staffed with brain dead idiots, brow-beaten managers, and filled with
shoddy goods imported from China. I bought dish rags from a Wal-Mart once
and they fell apart after a few washes. My Lands End towels are 10 years
old and going strong.

We've banned Super Wal-Marts in many parts of SoCal. They are brutal to
deal with and bully entire city councils. They demand huge concessions from
the cities, often demand to be exempted from rules governing zoning and
waste removal, they get massive tax breaks, they demand and get zoning
variances that tear up neighborhoods, they outright steal property for their
stores by using their political weight to condemn whole neighborhoods, they
flaunt labor laws and have vicious anti-union policies, they routinely force
employees to work extra hours off the clocks or be fired, they lock illegal
Mexican workes in the stores and make them work all night without so much as
a bathroom break, they have extremely harsh rules about employee's business
outside of work, they not only shut down local businesses they drive their
own suppliers out of business.

They are anything but innocent victims of their own success. Ma, Pa, Jim
Boy, Mary Ellen et all they aint.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
news:Kwjui.1970$MT3.949@trnddc05...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>
>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>
>> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>> always busy. Have been for many years.
>
> The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
> engages in predatory capitalism.

If you're saying that the 3 hardware stores are an exception, I have to say
you're wrong, although I agree with everything you said about WM. Besides
the 3 stores in my neighborhood, there are about a dozen in other areas in
this city (Rochester NY).

There are certain things you go to a hardware store for, unless you're
stupid, which accounts for just over half the population of the USA. I
believe certain factors eventually encourage people to learn their lesson
and patronize small specialty stores.

Part of the reason small stores vanish is that stupidity is hereditary.
There are people who, for some reason, have never seen the hardware store
they drive past five times a week. Or, they don't know what it means when
someone says "check your yellow pages and find a store". Maybe their parents
never showed them how to do that. Or, they have no land line at home, so
phone books were never delivered. Perhaps some parents never teach their
kids that time has value, and that there are businesses which can help you
learn to do things faster so you can get back to reading a book or playing
with the kids.

"Puester" > wrote in message
...
> Mitch wrote:
>> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>> of the newest Super WalMart.
>>
>> That sucks.
>>
>
>
> Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store, your local
> pharmacy, sporting goods store, bike shop, craft store, shoe store, and
> probably your entire downtown. Wait till they build another Super Walmart
> three or four miles away. It's like the Monster that Devoured
> Cleveland....
>
> gloria p
> WalMart hater

When I worked at Walmart, the corporate theme was to have at 1 Walmart ever
5 miles across the entire country and a Super Walmart at a 1-20 ratio. The
main ideal is to put the competition out of business, the idea is no
competition is good competition, we can cut the quality as much as we want
and who will they complain to and where will they go to get something better
if we put the competition out of business before they realized what was
happening.

Acme, a Philly grocery chain just announced that it is closing it's
Richlandtown, PA store (one of the fartherest from Philly). It is in the
same shopping center as the Walmart I worked in. I know from then, they
were offering the owner of the shopping center big bucks to push Acme out
and let them expand to that store as well....Looks like they got their wish,
now all the owner has to do is watch his back, since Walmart only builds
Super Walmarts on property they own (the Trexlertown Walmart owns the whole
shopping center). Good by Acme.

Right now, I avoid that store at all costs. I have personally seen what the
'corporation' can do to it's employees. They are now censuring and firing
people for even having relatives in a union (of course they don't say that
on the dismissal sheets but you know that is the reason).
-ginny

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Mitch <Mitch> wrote:
>> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
>> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
>> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> But competition is GOOD for the consumer...
>
> --Blair

Not if its garbage. Walmart sells embalmed "fresh" meat that can sit on
the shelf for a month.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> news:Kwjui.1970$MT3.949@trnddc05...
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>>> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>>> always busy. Have been for many years.
>> The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
>> engages in predatory capitalism.
>
> If you're saying that the 3 hardware stores are an exception, I have to say
> you're wrong, although I agree with everything you said about WM. Besides
> the 3 stores in my neighborhood, there are about a dozen in other areas in
> this city (Rochester NY).
>
> There are certain things you go to a hardware store for, unless you're
> stupid, which accounts for just over half the population of the USA. I
> believe certain factors eventually encourage people to learn their lesson
> and patronize small specialty stores.
>
> Part of the reason small stores vanish is that stupidity is hereditary.
> There are people who, for some reason, have never seen the hardware store
> they drive past five times a week. Or, they don't know what it means when
> someone says "check your yellow pages and find a store". Maybe their parents
> never showed them how to do that. Or, they have no land line at home, so
> phone books were never delivered. Perhaps some parents never teach their
> kids that time has value, and that there are businesses which can help you
> learn to do things faster so you can get back to reading a book or playing
> with the kids.
>
>
The small places don't have the money to do the intense marketing to
create mind share that the big box places have.

You don't have to be good you just need to be able to repeatally tell
the sheeples that you are.

"George" > wrote in message
. ..
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> news:Kwjui.1970$MT3.949@trnddc05...
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>> Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>>> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>>>> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>>>> always busy. Have been for many years.
>>> The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
>>> engages in predatory capitalism.
>>
>> If you're saying that the 3 hardware stores are an exception, I have to
>> say you're wrong, although I agree with everything you said about WM.
>> Besides the 3 stores in my neighborhood, there are about a dozen in other
>> areas in this city (Rochester NY).
>>
>> There are certain things you go to a hardware store for, unless you're
>> stupid, which accounts for just over half the population of the USA. I
>> believe certain factors eventually encourage people to learn their lesson
>> and patronize small specialty stores.
>>
>> Part of the reason small stores vanish is that stupidity is hereditary.
>> There are people who, for some reason, have never seen the hardware store
>> they drive past five times a week. Or, they don't know what it means when
>> someone says "check your yellow pages and find a store". Maybe their
>> parents never showed them how to do that. Or, they have no land line at
>> home, so phone books were never delivered. Perhaps some parents never
>> teach their kids that time has value, and that there are businesses which
>> can help you learn to do things faster so you can get back to reading a
>> book or playing with the kids.
> The small places don't have the money to do the intense marketing to
> create mind share that the big box places have.

I don't think I've ever seen "intense marketing" involving local hardware
stores. The ads they do run are infrequent and subtle, and I *believe* some
of the cost is shared with Ace or Tru Value. They keep their business
through good service and word-of-mouth. Knowledge, in other words. Not hype.

In article >,
Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:

> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> slight horseradish flavoring.

No, you and those who failed to support the old store are the ones who
killed it. And I know it's really hard to not succumb to the Walmart
hype. I understand that. And I admire the folks who opt to support
the local shops instead of the big box places. i hope you'll figure out
something to satisfy you. :-(
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
>
>> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
>> of the newest Super WalMart.
>>
>> That sucks.
>>
>> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
>> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
>> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>>
>> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>>
>> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
>> slight horseradish flavoring.
>
> No, you and those who failed to support the old store are the ones who
> killed it. And I know it's really hard to not succumb to the Walmart
> hype. I understand that.

I don't understand it. Which of the numbers below is larger?

$2.19
$1.99

If WM charges the higher price (which they often do) and people fall for it,
they are idiots. It's that simple.

Mitch wrote:
>
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.


Walmart did not kill your store. Your lack of patronage did it. That is you
and in you and your community.

I refuse to shop in Walmart. I have in the past, but only if other stores
did not have what I was looking for. They moved the local Walmart from a
mall to a stand alone location over a year ago and I have not stepped foot
in it.




> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> slight horseradish flavoring.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...

> > No, you and those who failed to support the old store are the ones who
> > killed it. And I know it's really hard to not succumb to the Walmart
> > hype. I understand that.
>
> I don't understand it. Which of the numbers below is larger?
>
> $2.19
> $1.99
>
> If WM charges the higher price (which they often do) and people fall for it,
> they are idiots. It's that simple.

True. But it's all the *general* promotional ads that has most people
thinking that Walmart's prices are the lowest anywhere. Careful
comparison would show otherwise, but lots of people don't bother. And
lots of people don't care about quality.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> news:Kwjui.1970$MT3.949@trnddc05...
>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>>>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>>>> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>>>>> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>>>>> always busy. Have been for many years.
>>>> The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
>>>> engages in predatory capitalism.
>>> If you're saying that the 3 hardware stores are an exception, I have to
>>> say you're wrong, although I agree with everything you said about WM.
>>> Besides the 3 stores in my neighborhood, there are about a dozen in other
>>> areas in this city (Rochester NY).
>>>
>>> There are certain things you go to a hardware store for, unless you're
>>> stupid, which accounts for just over half the population of the USA. I
>>> believe certain factors eventually encourage people to learn their lesson
>>> and patronize small specialty stores.
>>>
>>> Part of the reason small stores vanish is that stupidity is hereditary.
>>> There are people who, for some reason, have never seen the hardware store
>>> they drive past five times a week. Or, they don't know what it means when
>>> someone says "check your yellow pages and find a store". Maybe their
>>> parents never showed them how to do that. Or, they have no land line at
>>> home, so phone books were never delivered. Perhaps some parents never
>>> teach their kids that time has value, and that there are businesses which
>>> can help you learn to do things faster so you can get back to reading a
>>> book or playing with the kids.
>> The small places don't have the money to do the intense marketing to
>> create mind share that the big box places have.
>
> I don't think I've ever seen "intense marketing" involving local hardware
> stores. The ads they do run are infrequent and subtle, and I *believe* some
> of the cost is shared with Ace or Tru Value. They keep their business
> through good service and word-of-mouth. Knowledge, in other words. Not hype.
>
>
Reread what you wrote. You suggested reasons about small stores vanishing

"George" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "George" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> news:Kwjui.1970$MT3.949@trnddc05...
>>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>>>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>>>>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>>>>> Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>>>>>> independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>>>>>> always busy. Have been for many years.
>>>>> The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is
>>>>> Wal-Mart engages in predatory capitalism.
>>>> If you're saying that the 3 hardware stores are an exception, I have to
>>>> say you're wrong, although I agree with everything you said about WM.
>>>> Besides the 3 stores in my neighborhood, there are about a dozen in
>>>> other areas in this city (Rochester NY).
>>>>
>>>> There are certain things you go to a hardware store for, unless you're
>>>> stupid, which accounts for just over half the population of the USA. I
>>>> believe certain factors eventually encourage people to learn their
>>>> lesson and patronize small specialty stores.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the reason small stores vanish is that stupidity is hereditary.
>>>> There are people who, for some reason, have never seen the hardware
>>>> store they drive past five times a week. Or, they don't know what it
>>>> means when someone says "check your yellow pages and find a store".
>>>> Maybe their parents never showed them how to do that. Or, they have no
>>>> land line at home, so phone books were never delivered. Perhaps some
>>>> parents never teach their kids that time has value, and that there are
>>>> businesses which can help you learn to do things faster so you can get
>>>> back to reading a book or playing with the kids.
>>> The small places don't have the money to do the intense marketing to
>>> create mind share that the big box places have.
>>
>> I don't think I've ever seen "intense marketing" involving local hardware
>> stores. The ads they do run are infrequent and subtle, and I *believe*
>> some of the cost is shared with Ace or Tru Value. They keep their
>> business through good service and word-of-mouth. Knowledge, in other
>> words. Not hype.
> Reread what you wrote. You suggested reasons about small stores vanishing

I don't see that. Explain, please. The hardware stores I've mentioned have
been around for 20+ years. One has expanded. Is there a definition of
"vanishing" I'm not familiar with?

>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>

Yah, they killed our Cub Foods, so now I have to get my liquid coffee
creamer in quarts (at WalMart) instead of pints. Very inconvenient.

N.

Paul M. Cook wrote:
> They are brutal to deal with and bully entire city councils. They
> demand huge concessions from the cities, often demand to be exempted
> from rules governing zoning and waste removal, they get massive tax
> breaks, they demand and get zoning variances that tear up
> neighborhoods


The city council and zoning boards cannot be bullied unless they *want*
to be bullied. All they have to say is "No" and Walmart (or any other
business that wants to build) is out of luck.

Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > They are brutal to deal with and bully entire city councils. They
> > demand huge concessions from the cities, often demand to be exempted
> > from rules governing zoning and waste removal, they get massive tax
> > breaks, they demand and get zoning variances that tear up
> > neighborhoods
>
>
> The city council and zoning boards cannot be bullied unless they *want*
> to be bullied. All they have to say is "No" and Walmart (or any other
> business that wants to build) is out of luck.

Not at all. Wrong on all levels. Wal-Mart plays on the national level.
Many municipalities rely on federal money for some operations. Wal-Mart has
many lobbyists in DC paying off politicians to do their bidding. If a city
does not go along with Wal-Mart's wishes, they demand that the city be
punished and vital funds withheld. Wal-Mart can put the screws to city
councils in many, many ways. We had them do this recently in Hawthorne, CA.
Wal-Mart was acting like the mafia, promising vast damage if they didn;t get
their way. Well the city put Wal-Mart's new superstore to a voter and it
was struck down mightily. Did Wal-Mart give up? Hell no, they sent an army
of lawyers to the city to force them to be given a grant of land, exemption
from taxes, exemption from zoning laws and exemption from environmental
laws.

It is call fascism - and that is what our government is now. Wal-Mart makes
the rules - it is play by their rules or get destroyed. They are a vicious
corporation that has all the money they need to bribe, extort and coerce
their wishes anywhere, anytime and in any way they want. It is very hard,
and getting harder to fight them.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
news:L6mui.1095$V53.1000@trnddc08...
>
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> > They are brutal to deal with and bully entire city councils. They
>> > demand huge concessions from the cities, often demand to be exempted
>> > from rules governing zoning and waste removal, they get massive tax
>> > breaks, they demand and get zoning variances that tear up
>> > neighborhoods
>>
>>
>> The city council and zoning boards cannot be bullied unless they *want*
>> to be bullied. All they have to say is "No" and Walmart (or any other
>> business that wants to build) is out of luck.
>
> Not at all. Wrong on all levels. Wal-Mart plays on the national level.
> Many municipalities rely on federal money for some operations. Wal-Mart
> has
> many lobbyists in DC paying off politicians to do their bidding. If a
> city
> does not go along with Wal-Mart's wishes, they demand that the city be
> punished and vital funds withheld. Wal-Mart can put the screws to city
> councils in many, many ways. We had them do this recently in Hawthorne,
> CA.
> Wal-Mart was acting like the mafia, promising vast damage if they didn;t
> get
> their way. Well the city put Wal-Mart's new superstore to a voter and it
> was struck down mightily. Did Wal-Mart give up? Hell no, they sent an
> army
> of lawyers to the city to force them to be given a grant of land,
> exemption
> from taxes, exemption from zoning laws and exemption from environmental
> laws.
>
> It is call fascism - and that is what our government is now. Wal-Mart
> makes
> the rules - it is play by their rules or get destroyed. They are a
> vicious
> corporation that has all the money they need to bribe, extort and coerce
> their wishes anywhere, anytime and in any way they want. It is very hard,
> and getting harder to fight them.
>
> Paul


Perhaps it's time to learn a few things from the "terrorists" who sabotage
construction equipment to save forests from loggers.

On 2007-08-08, JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:

> Perhaps it's time to learn a few things from the "terrorists" who sabotage
> construction equipment to save forests from loggers.

While I agree with Paul's and your views one hundred percent, there is
a better way ...education.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../walmart/view/
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/links.php
http://www.hel-mart.com/links.php

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2007-08-08, JoeSpareBedroom > wrote:
>
>> Perhaps it's time to learn a few things from the "terrorists" who
>> sabotage
>> construction equipment to save forests from loggers.
>
> While I agree with Paul's and your views one hundred percent, there is
> a better way ...education.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../walmart/view/
> http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/links.php
> http://www.hel-mart.com/links.php
>
> nb

I already do that. My son's been trained to appreciate good service, and
respect people who make an effort to provide it. He never goes near Wal
Mart, or several other businesses he's found to be disgusting.

>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the

Their ground beef sucks big time, it has a funky, rubber texture to it
and believe me...I know my ground beef.

Mitch wrote:
> Jewel announced today they will be closing the doors in Sept. because
> of the newest Super WalMart.
>
> That sucks.
>
> The produce at WalMart sucks, the meat is horrible (Solution), the
> chicken breast is always $4.99/pound. What joke. I never pay more
> than $1.89 at Kroger.
>
> WalMart killed our Eagle, and now Jewel.
>
> I can't even buy horseradish at WalMart. Only mayo "sauce" with a
> slight horseradish flavoring.


It won't be long before walmart invades iraq and all of the middle east.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:52:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
.. .
>>
>>>
>>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>
>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>
>Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're always
>busy. Have been for many years.
>

the stereotypical male aversion to shopping doesn't seem to apply to
hardware stores.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:24:11 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> > They are brutal to deal with and bully entire city councils. They
>> > demand huge concessions from the cities, often demand to be exempted
>> > from rules governing zoning and waste removal, they get massive tax
>> > breaks, they demand and get zoning variances that tear up
>> > neighborhoods
>>
>>
>> The city council and zoning boards cannot be bullied unless they *want*
>> to be bullied. All they have to say is "No" and Walmart (or any other
>> business that wants to build) is out of luck.
>
>Not at all. Wrong on all levels. Wal-Mart plays on the national level.
>Many municipalities rely on federal money for some operations. Wal-Mart has
>many lobbyists in DC paying off politicians to do their bidding. If a city
>does not go along with Wal-Mart's wishes, they demand that the city be
>punished and vital funds withheld. Wal-Mart can put the screws to city
>councils in many, many ways. We had them do this recently in Hawthorne, CA.
>Wal-Mart was acting like the mafia, promising vast damage if they didn;t get
>their way. Well the city put Wal-Mart's new superstore to a voter and it
>was struck down mightily. Did Wal-Mart give up? Hell no, they sent an army
>of lawyers to the city to force them to be given a grant of land, exemption
>from taxes, exemption from zoning laws and exemption from environmental
>laws.
>
>It is call fascism - and that is what our government is now. Wal-Mart makes
>the rules - it is play by their rules or get destroyed. They are a vicious
>corporation that has all the money they need to bribe, extort and coerce
>their wishes anywhere, anytime and in any way they want. It is very hard,
>and getting harder to fight them.
>
>Paul
>

um...what? i hold no brief for wal-mart, but how do you 'force' city
councils to do things, other than hold out illusory increases from
sales taxes? what 'vast damages' can they inflict? got any cites for
these mafia-type activities?

granted, wal-mart does put the screws to their suppliers, but they
actually strike fear into the hearts of city councilmen? what,
wal-mart's lawyers are heavily armed?

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:52:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hang on tight and prepare to lose your hardware store,
>>>
>>> Actually, I big, beautiful Ace Hardware opened last September.
>>> They are having their going-out-of-business-sale right now.
>>
>>Jeez....must've been some talented business owners. I've got three
>>independent hardware stores within 5 minutes of Wal Mart, and they're
>>always
>>busy. Have been for many years.
>>
>
> the stereotypical male aversion to shopping doesn't seem to apply to
> hardware stores.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>
>

I just wanna go in, get what I need, and leave. If I need advice, I want it
fast, not when an "associate" feels like wandering along.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:27:06 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:


>
>The exception always invalidates the rule. The simple fact is Wal-Mart
>engages in predatory capitalism. The same kind that was pioneered by he
>likes of J. Paul Getty. Monolithic corporations like Wal-Mart routinely
>engage in business practices which are aimed at stifling competition,
>forcing out competitors, presenting barrier to new competition and fixing
>prices. None of this is good for anyone but the monopolistic corps.
>
>Every Wal-Mart I have visited is a filthy dump with garbage filled parking
>lots, staffed with brain dead idiots, brow-beaten managers, and filled with
>shoddy goods imported from China. I bought dish rags from a Wal-Mart once
>and they fell apart after a few washes. My Lands End towels are 10 years
>old and going strong.
>
>Paul
>
Sounds like something you'd read in a union organizers hand-out.


Say what you will....
In my town, KMART is empty, Target is limping by....
You could go bowling in the local SEARS store,
and the mall Dept store has more clerks than customers.
BUT
Our local WalMart is always bulging at the seams.

Consumers aren't all stupid.
and
Consumers vote with their purchasing dollars.

<rj>