I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?

Thanks,
Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle
>Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip
>that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So
>what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing.
>Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob


First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and
then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize.
Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some other
thing?

zxcvbob wrote:
> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old

Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
Miracle Whip preference.


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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle
>> Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip
>> that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So
>> what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing.
>> Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
>
> First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and
> then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize.
> Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some other
> thing?
>
>


I thought that was obvious. Yes, I want to make my own Miracle Whip
clone to use on sandwiches and in salads. I've made "boiled salad
dressing" before, but it isn't fatty enough. I'll continue to use real
mayo when I make egg salad or deviled eggs, which are the two legitimate
uses for it.

(You're afraid of dog shit, what does that make you?)

Bob

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>
> Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
> intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
> Miracle Whip preference.
>
>


I grew up in East Texas, which is kind of part of the Old South. HTH.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>>> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>>
>> Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
>> intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
>> Miracle Whip preference.
>
> I grew up in East Texas, which is kind of part of the Old South. HTH.

Thanks.

I used to have a MIL near Boxelder.

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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle
>Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip
>that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So
>what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing.
>Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

More sugar and more vinegar would be my guess. However, while the cost of
ingredients isn't great, the effort required to reproduce that "tangy zip of
Miracle Whip" isn't worth it.
Just go to the store and buy some, it's not that expensive.

"dejablues" > wrote in message
news:Cmxui.21225$ls4.15104@trndny07...
>
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>>Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>>Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
>>second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
>>Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
> More sugar and more vinegar would be my guess. However, while the cost of
> ingredients isn't great, the effort required to reproduce that "tangy zip
> of Miracle Whip" isn't worth it.
> Just go to the store and buy some, it's not that expensive.
OR
buy Hellman's mayo, add a little vinegar and sugar to taste. It will taste
like Miracle Whip (at least to me it does).
Dee Dee

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
> Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
> second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
> Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

Do as the Belgians ... make your mayonaise with lemon juice, or just add
lemonjuice to ordinary mayonaise.
Jack

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:44:14 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>buy Hellman's mayo, add a little vinegar and sugar to taste.

I bought Hellman's for thirty years. A couple of months ago, Fine
Cooking did a review of jarred mayo from regional to national brands.
They rated Kraft Mayo, not Miracle Whip over all brands including Duke
brand.

I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo
again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>>> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>>> Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
>>> second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
>>> Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob
>>
>>
>> First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and
>> then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize.
>> Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some
>> other thing?
>
>
> I thought that was obvious. Yes, I want to make my own Miracle Whip clone
> to use on sandwiches and in salads. I've made "boiled salad dressing"
> before, but it isn't fatty enough. I'll continue to use real mayo when I
> make egg salad or deviled eggs, which are the two legitimate uses for it.
>
> (You're afraid of dog shit, what does that make you?)
>
> Bob


Maybe try adding sugar to your mayo, and maybe some of those colored
sprinkles kids put on ice cream. That should give you a pretty good Miracle
Whip imitation.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>>> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>>
>> Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
>> intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
>> Miracle Whip preference.
>>
>>
>
>
> I grew up in East Texas, which is kind of part of the Old South. HTH.
>
> Bob

Do you say catsup, or ketchup?

In article >,
says...
> Maybe try adding sugar to your mayo, and maybe some of those colored
> sprinkles kids put on ice cream. That should give you a pretty good Miracle
> Whip imitation.
>

If the poor sap wants to make Miracle Whip, let him. Next he'll want to
know how to make Velveeta at home, or how to brew Bud Light. Have some
sympathy.

5 seconds with Google turns up a bunch of recipes.


--
Peter Aitken

On Aug 9, 6:19 am, Peter A > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > Maybe try adding sugar to your mayo, and maybe some of those colored
> > sprinkles kids put on ice cream. That should give you a pretty good Miracle
> > Whip imitation.
>
> If the poor sap wants to make Miracle Whip, let him. Next he'll want to
> know how to make Velveeta at home, or how to brew Bud Light. Have some
> sympathy.

Or how to replicate Chef Boyardee canned spaghetti and meatballs.
>
> 5 seconds with Google turns up a bunch of recipes.

Why are we not surprised?
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

--Bryan

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Aug 9, 6:19 am, Peter A > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>> > Maybe try adding sugar to your mayo, and maybe some of those colored
>> > sprinkles kids put on ice cream. That should give you a pretty good
>> > Miracle
>> > Whip imitation.
>>
>> If the poor sap wants to make Miracle Whip, let him. Next he'll want to
>> know how to make Velveeta at home, or how to brew Bud Light. Have some
>> sympathy.
>
> Or how to replicate Chef Boyardee canned spaghetti and meatballs.


IIRC, someone actually asked about that not too long ago in this group.

On Aug 9, 3:08 am, "Jack Kennedy" > wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
> > Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
> > Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
> > second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
> > Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
> Do as the Belgians ... make your mayonaise with lemon juice, or just add
> lemonjuice to ordinary mayonaise.

All decent mayo is made with lemon juice. Vinegar does not belong in
mayo, nor does sugar, nor do egg whites, nor does corn starch, and for
what it's worth, nor does soybean oil. Reasonable tasting oils are
not that pricey.

> Jack

--Bryan

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:19:27 -0400, Peter A >
wrote:

Peter...this REALLY is Good! No comments accepted UNTIL you try
it!!!!


@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

Velveeta Fudge

candies, cheese

1 lb butter
1 lb Velveeta
4 lb powdered sugar
1 cup cocoa
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 cup nuts, chopped

Melt cheese and butter. Add vanilla and combine well. Sift powdered
sugar and cocoa. Add melted mixture and nuts. Blend well and spread
evenly in 2 9 x 13" pans. Cool and cut as desired.

Yield: 32 servings


** Exported from Now You're Cooking! v5.82 **

On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?

There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
>
> There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
> it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
and destruction upon their houses?

Ward Abbott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:44:14 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
> wrote:
>
> >buy Hellman's mayo, add a little vinegar and sugar to taste.
>
> I bought Hellman's for thirty years. A couple of months ago, Fine
> Cooking did a review of jarred mayo from regional to national brands.
> They rated Kraft Mayo, not Miracle Whip over all brands including Duke
> brand.
>
> I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo
> again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.

I'll have to try the Kraft, somewhere along the way the Hellman's recipe
seems to have changed for the worse, it used to be very good, now is
so-so.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> pronounce this fish:
>
> crappie
>
> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
> and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>> pronounce this fish:
>>
>> crappie
>>
>> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
>> and destruction upon their houses?
>
> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ


Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with a
ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> > pronounce this fish:
> >
> > crappie
> >
> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
sin
> > and destruction upon their houses?
>
> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)

*backwoods voice mode on*

They ain't no O in Crappie :-)

*Mode off*

Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but this
is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
version :-)

KW
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
> pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
...
>
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>> > pronounce this fish:
>> >
>> > crappie
>> >
>> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
> sin
>> > and destruction upon their houses?
>>
>> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
>
> *backwoods voice mode on*
>
> They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
>
> *Mode off*
>
> Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but
> this
> is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
> version :-)


That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way, other
than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in newsgroups
type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> In article >,
> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> >> > pronounce this fish:
> >> >
> >> > crappie
> >> >
> >> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
> > sin
> >> > and destruction upon their houses?
> >>
> >> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it.
"-)
> >
> > *backwoods voice mode on*
> >
> > They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
> >
> > *Mode off*
> >
> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but
> > this
> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
> > version :-)
>
>
> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way,
other
> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
newsgroups
> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
>
>

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
(Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out the
dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his ass!
Never Surrender ! :-)

"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> In article >,
>> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do
>> >> > they
>> >> > pronounce this fish:
>> >> >
>> >> > crappie
>> >> >
>> >> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will
>> >> > bring
>> > sin
>> >> > and destruction upon their houses?
>> >>
>> >> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it.
> "-)
>> >
>> > *backwoods voice mode on*
>> >
>> > They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
>> >
>> > *Mode off*
>> >
>> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but
>> > this
>> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
>> > version :-)
>>
>>
>> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way,
> other
>> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
> newsgroups
>> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
>>
>>
>
> My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
> thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
> (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out the
> dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his ass!
> Never Surrender ! :-)


OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are the
short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and undo
what teachers are trying to achieve. Illiteracy is often hereditary.

In article >,
says...
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> >> pronounce this fish:
> >>
> >> crappie
> >>
> >> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
> >> and destruction upon their houses?
> >
> > No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
> > --
> > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>
>
> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
> pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with a
> ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
>
>
>

You didn't notice the wink, I guess.

--
Peter Aitken

In article >,
says...
> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but
> > this
> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
> > version :-)
>
>
> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way, other
> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in newsgroups
> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
>

I have heard the "decency" explanation many times.

Here in North Carolina you hear both. The local Baptists and other
bible-thumpers say croppie.



--
Peter Aitken

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > pronounce this fish:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > crappie
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will
> >> >> > bring
> >> > sin
> >> >> > and destruction upon their houses?
> >> >>
> >> >> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it.
> > "-)
> >> >
> >> > *backwoods voice mode on*
> >> >
> >> > They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
> >> >
> >> > *Mode off*
> >> >
> >> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country,
but
> >> > this
> >> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the
"a"
> >> > version :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way,
> > other
> >> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
> > newsgroups
> >> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
> > thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
> > (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out
the
> > dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his
ass!
> > Never Surrender ! :-)
>
>
> OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are the
> short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and undo
> what teachers are trying to achieve.

> Illiteracy is often hereditary.
>
>

I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
inflated self-images.

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:07:17 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
>
>There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
>it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.

I'm a native Californicator. I say ketchup, I spell it catsup. In
all of my travels, domestic and international, I have never actually
heard anyone call it "catsup". ToMAHto sauce, yes, catsup, no.

TammyM

"Peter A" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>> >> pronounce this fish:
>> >>
>> >> crappie
>> >>
>> >> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
>> >> sin
>> >> and destruction upon their houses?
>> >
>> > No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it.
>> > "-)
>> > --
>> > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>>
>>
>> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
>> pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with
>> a
>> ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You didn't notice the wink, I guess.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken

I did, but I don't believe it.

"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> In article >,
>> >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > pronounce this fish:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > crappie
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will
>> >> >> > bring
>> >> > sin
>> >> >> > and destruction upon their houses?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce
>> >> >> it.
>> > "-)
>> >> >
>> >> > *backwoods voice mode on*
>> >> >
>> >> > They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > *Mode off*
>> >> >
>> >> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country,
> but
>> >> > this
>> >> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the
> "a"
>> >> > version :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way,
>> > other
>> >> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
>> > newsgroups
>> >> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this
>> > very
>> > thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
>> > (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out
> the
>> > dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his
> ass!
>> > Never Surrender ! :-)
>>
>>
>> OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are the
>> short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and undo
>> what teachers are trying to achieve.
>
>> Illiteracy is often hereditary.
>>
>>
>
> I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
> inflated self-images.


I'm simply stating facts. I know they're often annoying and inconvenient,
but still, they are facts.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how
do
> >> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> > pronounce this fish:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > crappie
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will
> >> >> >> > bring
> >> >> > sin
> >> >> >> > and destruction upon their houses?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce
> >> >> >> it.
> >> > "-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > *backwoods voice mode on*
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > *Mode off*
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the
country,
> > but
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the
> > "a"
> >> >> > version :-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that
way,
> >> > other
> >> >> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
> >> > newsgroups
> >> >> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this
> >> > very
> >> > thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short
a
> >> > (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled
out
> > the
> >> > dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his
> > ass!
> >> > Never Surrender ! :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are
the
> >> short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and
undo
> >> what teachers are trying to achieve.
> >
> >> Illiteracy is often hereditary.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
> > inflated self-images.
>
>
> I'm simply stating facts. I know they're often annoying and inconvenient,
> but still, they are facts.
>
>

As a point of clarification, I was simply re-affirming your point and adding
an observation in a similar vein. The second point wasn't directed at you.

If you took it that way, then perhaps it may apply after all.

In retrospect, I suppose you may have been directing the illiteracy comment
towards myself and my lineage....if that's the case then your allegations
are built on a very flimsy single thread of evidence and in truth you are
way off base.

"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> >> >> > ...
>> >> >> >> In article >,
>> >> >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how
> do
>> >> >> >> > they
>> >> >> >> > pronounce this fish:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > crappie
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that
>> >> >> >> > will
>> >> >> >> > bring
>> >> >> > sin
>> >> >> >> > and destruction upon their houses?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> > "-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > *backwoods voice mode on*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > *Mode off*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the
> country,
>> > but
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to
>> >> >> > the
>> > "a"
>> >> >> > version :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that
> way,
>> >> > other
>> >> >> than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
>> >> > newsgroups
>> >> >> type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this
>> >> > very
>> >> > thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the
>> >> > short
> a
>> >> > (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled
> out
>> > the
>> >> > dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss
>> >> > his
>> > ass!
>> >> > Never Surrender ! :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are
> the
>> >> short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and
> undo
>> >> what teachers are trying to achieve.
>> >
>> >> Illiteracy is often hereditary.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
>> > inflated self-images.
>>
>>
>> I'm simply stating facts. I know they're often annoying and inconvenient,
>> but still, they are facts.
>>
>>
>
> As a point of clarification, I was simply re-affirming your point and
> adding
> an observation in a similar vein. The second point wasn't directed at you.
>
> If you took it that way, then perhaps it may apply after all.
>
> In retrospect, I suppose you may have been directing the illiteracy
> comment
> towards myself and my lineage....if that's the case then your allegations
> are built on a very flimsy single thread of evidence and in truth you are
> way off base.
>
>

My comments were aimed at your parents' explanation of the two versions of
the word. You obviously rose above it all.

On Aug 8, 9:49 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
> intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
> Miracle Whip preference.

I am in California, but visit North Dakota every year in the summer.
In California, I never buy Miracle Whip but when in North Dakota,
Miracle Whip is a MUST. For some reason, I use it on ham sandwiches or
in macaroni salad while in ND, but just use mayo in California. It's
weird, isn't it?, and my whole family does it, too.

Karen

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
>> pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with
>> a
>> ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
> According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
> pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
> if
> you don't believe what you see.
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?crappie
>
> They don't even offer "crappy" as a correct alternative pronunciation.


Then, the dictionary is wrong.

KW wrote:

> My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
> thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
> (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out the
> dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his ass!
> Never Surrender ! :-)

LOL Two of my elderly aunts were visiting. The fight started when Aunt
Reba shook the Bible at Aunt Ruby, and said there was nothing in that
book but a bunch of hogwash. I thought Aunt Ruby would have a stroke.
Then, Aunt Reba jumped in the car and backed out of the garage.
Unfortunately, she forgot to open the garage door, first. Ah, family. <g>

Becca

In article >,
"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:

> My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
> thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)

Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?

> and Papaw the short a (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was
> in a huff and pulled out the dictionary to prove her point and Papaw
> politely told her to kiss his ass! Never Surrender ! :-)


Was it a nice Dead Spread?
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "l, not -l" > wrote in ...
> > On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> >> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. [snip]

> > According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
> > pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
> > if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

> Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem