"aem" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "l, not -l" > wrote in
>> ...
>> > On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>> >> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety.
>> >> [snip]
>
>> > According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
>> > pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it
>> > pronounced,
>> > if you don't believe what you see. [snip]
>
>> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
>
> No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
> pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
> school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
> adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
> the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
> mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
> properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
> often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem
>


I'm wrong? How do you come to that conclusion, considering the accepted
rules of pronunciation for English? Sure, there are exceptions, but
"crappie" isn't one of them, unless you want to take the easy way out and
call it a regional flaw.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:
>
> > My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
> > thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)
>
> Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?

Correctimundo! As in we caught a mess of Cray-pee! Your trip to the House of
George wasn't a total waste I see as you caught the subtle nuances of the
Deep South Drawl.
..
>
> > and Papaw the short a (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was
> > in a huff and pulled out the dictionary to prove her point and Papaw
> > politely told her to kiss his ass! Never Surrender ! :-)
>
>
> Was it a nice Dead Spread?

Not that particular time, but I do recall Papaw sporting a certain crimson
blush to just one cheek after that comment <G>

Actually she went first, but yes they were both very nice as far as Dead
Spreads go. Can't have a funeral without one down here!

> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
> pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Ward Abbott wrote:

> I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo
> again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.
>
The last time I had Kraft Mayo in the house I thought it had a somewhat
gelatin like consistency? I've always preferred the taste of Hellmann's
and buy that, but occasionally have purchased Kraft. Miracle Whip has
never been found in my home. Duke's isn't anything special to me?

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
>
> Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.


The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation. If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "l, not -l" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>>> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
>> Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.
>
>
> The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation. If
> you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
> discussing is an exception, explain why.
>

So... *all* the dictionaries are wrong, and you are right?

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea why it's
pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from French "crapet" I
thought it was gonna be something German with an umlaut)

Best regards,
Bob

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "l, not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
>>> Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.
>>
>>
>> The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
>> If you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
>> discussing is an exception, explain why.
>
> So... *all* the dictionaries are wrong, and you are right?
>
> Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea why it's pronounced
> weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from French "crapet" I thought it was
> gonna be something German with an umlaut)
>
> Best regards,
> Bob

OK. That makes sense.

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
. net...
>
> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
>> If
>> you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
>> discussing is an exception, explain why.
>
> This is what I believe:
> The American Heritage Dictionary and The Merriam-Webster Dictionary are
> more
> authoritative sources than a self-appointed, newsgroup English teacher.
> If
> you have credentials that substantiate you being a better lexicographer
> than
> those that edited the above referenced dictionaries, please present them.
>
> --
> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.


Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.

As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation,
which makes sense, to an extent.

On Aug 9, 1:06?pm, zxcvbob wrote:

> Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea
> why it's pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from
> French "crapet" I thought it was gonna be something
> German with an umlaut)

Just out of curiosity, I looked in a Shorter Oxford O.E.D.
I found this entry for "crappie" - U.S. 1861. A species of
sunfish, pomoxys annularis, found in the Mississippi.
It shows the "a" pronounced as in "man".

The next entry is "crappit-head" - the head of a haddock
stuffed with the roe, oatmeal, suet and spices.

Not only that, this editor/reviser is C. T. Onions.

"KevinS" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Aug 9, 1:06?pm, zxcvbob wrote:
>
>> Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea
>> why it's pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from
>> French "crapet" I thought it was gonna be something
>> German with an umlaut)
>
> Just out of curiosity, I looked in a Shorter Oxford O.E.D.
> I found this entry for "crappie" - U.S. 1861. A species of
> sunfish, pomoxys annularis, found in the Mississippi.
> It shows the "a" pronounced as in "man".
>
> The next entry is "crappit-head" - the head of a haddock
> stuffed with the roe, oatmeal, suet and spices.
>
> Not only that, this editor/reviser is C. T. Onions.
>

In certain parts of Western NY, they avoid the issue entirely, calling the
fish a papermouth.

On Aug 8, 11:49 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
> > I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
> > Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>
> Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
> intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
> Miracle Whip preference.
>
> --
> Blinky RLU 297263
> Killing all posts from Google Groups.
> Except in Thunderbird, which can't filter that well.
> The Usenet Improvement Project:http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Hey, Blinky, I like MW and I grew up in the Midwest. We had home-made
boiled salad dressing during my entire growing-up years (my family
farmed, and my mom didn't buy that kinda stuff at a store). I don't
know why I like it better, I just do. Bite me. ;-)

N.

On Aug 9, 9:00 am, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> > pronounce this fish:
>
> > crappie
>
> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
> > and destruction upon their houses?
>
> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://www.jamlady.eboard.com- story and
> pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say
"croppie."

N.

On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "aem" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "l, not -l" > wrote in
> >> ...
> >> > On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> >> >> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety.
> >> >> [snip]
>
> >> > According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
> >> > pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it
> >> > pronounced,
> >> > if you don't believe what you see. [snip]
>
> >> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
>
> > No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
> > pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
> > school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
> > adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
> > the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
> > mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
> > properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
> > often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem
>
> I'm wrong? How do you come to that conclusion, considering the accepted
> rules of pronunciation for English? Sure, there are exceptions, but
> "crappie" isn't one of them, unless you want to take the easy way out and
> call it a regional flaw.- Hide quoted text -
>

Every rule has exceptions.

N.0

zxcvbob said...

> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
> Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
> second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
> Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob


Bob,

Late to the thread.

This doesn't apply to your question but it's worthy of your consideration at
least.

I see-saw between mayo and miracle whip depending on diet.

Currently in diet mode, I've found TJ's tub of garlic hummus to be a miracle
substitute nutritional and flavorwise.

It's substituted for ketchup, mustard and mayo with great results.

It's been great for tuna salad sandwiches, on chicken, etc., etc.

I have no problem with miracle-whip-free, except some of the artificialness
of it.

Sorry.

--
Andy
Three Stooges in One
CotD #2

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:59:43 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
>second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
>Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>
>Thanks,
>Bob

dear god.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:52:36 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle
>>> Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip
>>> that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So
>>> what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing.
>>> Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob
>>
>>
>> First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and
>> then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize.
>> Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some other
>> thing?
>>
>>
>
>
>I thought that was obvious. Yes, I want to make my own Miracle Whip
>clone to use on sandwiches and in salads. I've made "boiled salad
>dressing" before, but it isn't fatty enough. I'll continue to use real
>mayo when I make egg salad or deviled eggs, which are the two legitimate
>uses for it.
>
>(You're afraid of dog shit, what does that make you?)
>
>Bob

why not just buy it?

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:55:00 -0700, aem > wrote:

>On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "l, not -l" > wrote in ...
>> > On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>> >> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. [snip]
>
>> > According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
>> > pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
>> > if you don't believe what you see. [snip]
>
>> Then, the dictionary is wrong.
>
>No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
>pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
>school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
>adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
>the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
>mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
>properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
>often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

i once went to a columbia football game. one of the crowd chants was:

harass them! harass them!
make them relinquish the ball!

as i recall, the pronunciation was 'ha-RASS.'

your pal,
blake

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
. net...
>
> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.
>>
>> As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation,
>> which makes sense, to an extent.
>
> Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your
> adamant
> assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word
> crappie. You were mistaken.


And yet, Kevin found my pronunciation in another dictionary. That's
interesting, don't you think?

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:17:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>>> > pronounce this fish:
>>> >
>>> > crappie
>>> >
>>> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
>> sin
>>> > and destruction upon their houses?
>>>
>>> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
>>
>> *backwoods voice mode on*
>>
>> They ain't no O in Crappie :-)
>>
>> *Mode off*
>>
>> Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but
>> this
>> is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
>> version :-)
>
>
>That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way, other
>than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in newsgroups
>type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?
>

there is the story of the proper lady who said, '****! i stepped in
doggie doo-doo!'

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:57:40 GMT, (TammyM) wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:07:17 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>>> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
>>
>>There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
>>it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
>
>I'm a native Californicator. I say ketchup, I spell it catsup. In
>all of my travels, domestic and international, I have never actually
>heard anyone call it "catsup". ToMAHto sauce, yes, catsup, no.
>
>TammyM

i think the only time i've heard 'catsup' was spoken by mr. burns on
'the simpsons.'

your pal,
blake

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>>
>>> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
>>
>> There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
>> it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> pronounce this fish:
>
> crappie

Midwestern raised, here, too.

Pronounce the tomato stuff as ketchup.

Crappie pronounced to be homophonic with crappy


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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:33:23 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
wrote:

>On Aug 9, 3:08 am, "Jack Kennedy" > wrote:
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
>> > Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
>> > Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
>> > second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
>> > Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Bob
>>
>> Do as the Belgians ... make your mayonaise with lemon juice, or just add
>> lemonjuice to ordinary mayonaise.
>
>All decent mayo is made with lemon juice. Vinegar does not belong in
>mayo, nor does sugar, nor do egg whites, nor does corn starch, and for
>what it's worth, nor does soybean oil. Reasonable tasting oils are
>not that pricey.
>
>> Jack
>
>--Bryan

jesus, what do you have against vinegar?

your pal,
blake

l, not -l wrote:
>
> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
>> pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with
>> a
>> ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
> According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
> pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced, if
> you don't believe what you see.
>
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?crappie
>
> They don't even offer "crappy" as a correct alternative pronunciation.

Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there but pron croppy. I
didn't know that. As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew it as pron like
"crappy" back in the USan Midwest.

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Becca wrote:

> LOL Two of my elderly aunts were visiting. The fight started when Aunt
> Reba shook the Bible at Aunt Ruby, and said there was nothing in that
> book but a bunch of hogwash. I thought Aunt Ruby would have a stroke.
> Then, Aunt Reba jumped in the car and backed out of the garage.
> Unfortunately, she forgot to open the garage door, first.

Didn't take God long to fix *her* ass, did it?


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On Aug 9, 2:45?pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there
> but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned
> elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the
> USan Midwest.

Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa
1969, I see:

crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater
fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie,
or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the
sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]

"a" pronounced as in "pat".

This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress
from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator.
When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that
said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as
in "drape".

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:23:43 -0400, Ward Abbott >
wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 01:44:14 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
>wrote:
>
>>buy Hellman's mayo, add a little vinegar and sugar to taste.
>
>I bought Hellman's for thirty years. A couple of months ago, Fine
>Cooking did a review of jarred mayo from regional to national brands.
>They rated Kraft Mayo, not Miracle Whip over all brands including Duke
>brand.
>
>I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo
>again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.
>

OTOH, I wish my homemade mayo would come out like Hellman's! The
recipes I've tried for homemade mayo are indeed like Kraft's mayo...
smooth and creamy yes, but bland and boring

On Aug 9, 9:57 am, (TammyM) wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:07:17 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
>
> > wrote:
> >On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> >> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
>
> >There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
> >it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
>
> I'm a native Californicator.

I'm a regular fornicator.

> TammyM

--Bryan

On Aug 9, 8:14 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
> >> Do you say catsup, or ketchup?
>
> > There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
> > it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> pronounce this fish:
>
> crappie
>
> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
> and destruction upon their houses?

The fish is pronounced croppie. Jarred mayo is pronounced crappy.

--Bryan

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Aug 9, 9:00 am, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>> In article >,
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>> > pronounce this fish:
>>
>> > crappie
>>
>> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
>> > sin
>> > and destruction upon their houses?
>>
>> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
>> --
>> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://www.jamlady.eboard.com- story and
>> pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007
>
> Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say
> "croppie."
>
> N.
>

Here in Oregon it's pronounced "croppie." To say it otherwise marks the
speaker as an out-of-stater, most likely from the East.

~~ Shelly ~~

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:43:26 -0700, Nancy2 >
wrote:

>On Aug 9, 9:00 am, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>> In article >,
>>
>> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> > Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>> > pronounce this fish:
>>
>> > crappie
>>
>> > Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
>> > and destruction upon their houses?
>>
>> No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
>> --
>> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://www.jamlady.eboard.com- story and
>> pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007
>
>Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say
>"croppie."

It's pronounced "croppie" in Tennessee as well. My grandfather and I
used to catch them all the time when I was a kid.

Regards,
Tracy R.

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
news
>
> On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> > On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.
>> >>
>> >> As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's
>> >> explanation,
>> >> which makes sense, to an extent.
>> >
>> > Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your
>> > adamant
>> > assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word
>> > crappie. You were mistaken.
>>
>>
>> And yet, Kevin found my pronunciation in another dictionary. That's
>> interesting, don't you think?
>
> Interesting? Yes. That was in the "circa 1969" edition of the American
> Heritage Dictionary; a dictionary whose current edition offers "croppy" as
> correct. I suggest you take a cue from them and drop the erroneous 1969
> pronunciation for the correct one.
>
> It has become painfully obvious that you are one of those fellows that,
> even
> when obviously wrong, will never admit to error. It is further evident
> that
> you are one who must always get in the last word; I do not suffer that
> character flaw (though admit to others) and will make this my last post on
> the subject.

Good!

"KevinS" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Aug 9, 2:45?pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there
>> but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned
>> elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the
>> USan Midwest.
>
> Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa
> 1969, I see:
>
> crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater
> fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie,
> or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the
> sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
>
> "a" pronounced as in "pat".
>
> This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress
> from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator.
> When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that
> said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as
> in "drape".
>
>

And, let's not forget what politicians love to say when a horrible crime
requires public comment:

"We must do something about heinous crimes like this one!", pronouncing
"heinous" like "penis".

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in news:barbschaller-
:

> In article >,
> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:
>
>> My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
>> thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)
>
> Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?
>


I thought long 'a' would be 'aa', and 'ay' a dipthong (really 'ei').

But I'm only a wannabe amateur linguist, and could stand to be corrected

K

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "KevinS" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Aug 9, 2:45?pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>>> Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there
>>> but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned
>>> elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the
>>> USan Midwest.
>>
>> Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa
>> 1969, I see:
>>
>> crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater
>> fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie,
>> or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the
>> sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
>>
>> "a" pronounced as in "pat".
>>
>> This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress
>> from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator.
>> When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that
>> said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as
>> in "drape".
>>
>>
>
> And, let's not forget what politicians love to say when a horrible crime
> requires public comment:
>
> "We must do something about heinous crimes like this one!", pronouncing
> "heinous" like "penis".
I've always heard it pronounced it as 'hey-nous.'

~~ Shelly ~~

"~ Shelly ~" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "KevinS" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> On Aug 9, 2:45?pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ditto American Heritage Dictionary. Nothing there
>>>> but pron croppy. I didn't know that. As I mentioned
>>>> elsewhere, I knew it as pron like "crappy" back in the
>>>> USan Midwest.
>>>
>>> Looking at the American Heritage Dictionary. circa
>>> 1969, I see:
>>>
>>> crappie: either of two edible North American freshwater
>>> fishes, Pomoxsis nigromaculatus, the black crappie,
>>> or P. annularis, the white crappie, related to the
>>> sunfishes [Canadian French: crapet]
>>>
>>> "a" pronounced as in "pat".
>>>
>>> This reminds me of a guy who ran for Congress
>>> from Idaho (I think) - Mike Crapo, now a senator.
>>> When he first ran for the House, he ran ads that
>>> said "IT'S CRAPO", somehow indicating "a" as
>>> in "drape".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And, let's not forget what politicians love to say when a horrible crime
>> requires public comment:
>>
>> "We must do something about heinous crimes like this one!", pronouncing
>> "heinous" like "penis".
> I've always heard it pronounced it as 'hey-nous.'
>
> ~~ Shelly ~~


Yes, that's the right way. But, I've heard a few Washington blowhards
mispronounce the word.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
> >>> Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
> >>> Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
> >>> second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
> >>> Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and
> >> then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize.
> >> Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some
> >> other thing?
> >
> >
> > I thought that was obvious. Yes, I want to make my own Miracle Whip clone
> > to use on sandwiches and in salads. I've made "boiled salad dressing"
> > before, but it isn't fatty enough. I'll continue to use real mayo when I
> > make egg salad or deviled eggs, which are the two legitimate uses for it.
> > Bob
>
> Maybe try adding sugar to your mayo, and maybe some of those colored
> sprinkles kids put on ice cream. That should give you a pretty good Miracle
> Whip imitation.

Now you're just being snotty.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

In article . 131>,
Amarantha > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' > wrote in news:barbschaller-
> :
>
> > In article >,
> > "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:
> >
> >> My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
> >> thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)
> >
> > Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?
> >
>
>
> I thought long 'a' would be 'aa', and 'ay' a dipthong (really 'ei').
>
> But I'm only a wannabe amateur linguist, and could stand to be corrected
>
> K

LOL. I didn't know a better way to spell it. I was thinking of
crayfish, Cray Research, and Crayola crayons. :-) I see "aa" and I'm
thinking Baa-Baa Blacksheep.

OB Food: Six jars of blackberry jam just came from the canner. More
peach jam today (Amaretto Peach, I'm thinking); nectarine jam is done
and delicious. Tomatoes are in my future tomorrow and Sunday.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >
> >> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
> >> pronounce this fish:
> >>
> >> crappie
> >>
> >> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
> >> and destruction upon their houses?
> >
> > No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
> > --
> > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>
>
> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
> pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with a
> ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.

Nah, I said it that way out of some true sense of whimsy and poking fun.

Curiousity question: What do you do when you visit towns or cities
where the name of the city or town isn't pronounced correctly; i.e., the
way it is elsewhere? I'm not saying this well. What I'm thinking of
are the communities of Lima, Ohio and New Prague, Minnesota. I don't
know what the Ohioans would say if you said LEEma, but the folks in New
Prague would know you don't know if you said New PRAHgue ‹ or Novy
Praha. "-) But they probably wouldn't correct you. On second thought,
they probably *would* correct you. Are you going to tell them they're
wrong?

How right do you want to be? Isn't "fisherpersons" redundant?

(Ducks, runs, and goes back to the kettles and jars.)
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
>> >> pronounce this fish:
>> >>
>> >> crappie
>> >>
>> >> Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
>> >> sin
>> >> and destruction upon their houses?
>> >
>> > No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it.
>> > "-)
>> > --
>> > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>>
>>
>> Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
>> pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with
>> a
>> ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
>
> Nah, I said it that way out of some true sense of whimsy and poking fun.
>
> Curiousity question: What do you do when you visit towns or cities
> where the name of the city or town isn't pronounced correctly; i.e., the
> way it is elsewhere? I'm not saying this well. What I'm thinking of
> are the communities of Lima, Ohio and New Prague, Minnesota. I don't
> know what the Ohioans would say if you said LEEma, but the folks in New
> Prague would know you don't know if you said New PRAHgue ‹ or Novy
> Praha. "-) But they probably wouldn't correct you. On second thought,
> they probably *would* correct you. Are you going to tell them they're
> wrong?
>
> How right do you want to be? Isn't "fisherpersons" redundant?
>
> (Ducks, runs, and goes back to the kettles and jars.)


How do locals pronounce New Prague?

Melba's wrote on Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:52:33 -0500:

??>> Melba's Jammin' > wrote in
news:barbschaller-
??>> :
??>>
??>>> In article >,
??>>> "KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote:
??>>>
??>>>> My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often
??>>>> fought over this very thing. Memaw claimed the long a
??>>>> variant (Croppie)
??>>>
??>>> Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?
??>>>
??>> I thought long 'a' would be 'aa', and 'ay' a dipthong
??>> (really 'ei').
??>>
??>> But I'm only a wannabe amateur linguist, and could stand
??>> to be corrected
??>>
??>> K

MsJ> LOL. I didn't know a better way to spell it. I was
MsJ> thinking of crayfish, Cray Research, and Crayola crayons.
MsJ> :-) I see "aa" and I'm thinking Baa-Baa Blacksheep.

If you want to have a perhaps more spirited discussion you might
go to alt.english.usage or alt.usage.english. One of those, and
I forget which, has distinctly pugnacious posts. It's a pity
that, outside specialists, so few know the IPA phonetic alphabet
or, better for a text newsgroup, SAMPA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAMPA_chart_for_English

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in news:Vn_ui.13728
:

> How do locals pronounce New Prague?
>

The way it is supposed to be said. Why would the locals pronounce it wrong?
P.S. If you hear New Pittsburg you are in the wrong town.

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