On 11 Aug 2007 01:52:04 GMT, "Default User" >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:44:59 -0400, Peter A >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If people write sloppy English, so be it - they may still have
>> > something interesting to say. I don't want to be a "grammar nazi"
>> > or anything like that. My goal is not to say "Hey stupid, I'm
>> > smarter than you" but rather to say "perhaps you would like to know
>> > this." Unfortunately, insecure people are so touchy about any
>> > criticism, they would rather remain ignorant than learn something
>> > new because of their stupid pride.
>>
>> Don't assume. Everybody knows a preposition is something you don't
>> end a sentence with. However, we disregard the rules
>> occasionally because the style of writing in rfc is less formal and
>> has a more conversational tone to it.
>
>That's not rule. Never has been. There a misconception that it's a
>rule, but it's not.
>
>Brian

sometimes it's right and sometimes it's wrong. some people have just
been nun-whacked on the knuckles a few too many times.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:08:56 -0700, sf wrote:

>On 11 Aug 2007 01:52:04 GMT, "Default User" >
>wrote:
>
>>That's not rule. Never has been. There a misconception that it's a
>>rule, but it's not.
>
><sigh> This only confirms that we ARE going to Hell in a handbasket!
>
>

what you mean we, white man?

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:39:36 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"Mitch" <Mitch@...> wrote in message
.. .
>>
>>>
>>>What do you think about when you're washing dishes?
>>
>> I think "I wish I had 2 dishwashers."
>
>I've oft wondered if all that stuff I have left over to wash by hand that
>has the warning not to put it in the dishwasher, and 'if' you do, be sure to
>put on the top rack, that if I just chucked it into dishwasher
>haphazardly, just let the stuff rattle around, crash into each other, not
>give a fiddlers' as to what would happen, what really would happen. I'd
>like to do that just one time.
>Dee Dee
>
Go for it! Live dangerously! It will be exhilarating to cast aside
your inhibitions!

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:45:00 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:32:55 GMT:
>
> ??>> blake wrote on Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:41:08 GMT:
> ??>>
> ??>>>> In article
> ??>>>> >, friese@c
> ??>>>> omcast.net says...
> ??>>>>>> Thanks for your thoughtful post, you make a good
> ??>>>>>> point. I am a writer by trade and I suppose that
> ??>>>>>> grammar is more important to me than it is to 99.9% of
> ??>>>>>> people.
> ??>>>>>>
> ??>>>>>> Even so, I am surprised by how resistant most people
> ??>>>>>> are to learning anything. I guess that's just human
> ??>>>>>> nature and I should learn to deal with it. -- Peter
> ??>>>>>> Aitken
> ??>>>>>
> ??>>>>> And thank you, Peter, for your thoughtful reply. It
> ??>>>>> seems that both of us put great value in grammar. Yes,
> ??>>>>> you probably should learn to deal with its misuse,
> ??>>>>> although I can assure you it's not easy!
> ??>>>>>
> ??>>>>> Felice
> ??>>>>>
> ??>>>> I find bad grammar a lot easier to take in spoken
> ??>>>> English. When you are speaking with someone you have
> ??>>>> tone of voice, phrasing, facial expression, and body
> ??>>>> language to help get the meaning across. When things are
> ??>>>> written, it's a lot harder. There are none of these
> ??>>>> helpers so you have to rely 100% on the words (although
> ??>>>> the "smiley face" and other emoticons can help).
> ??>>
> bm>>> your claims to being any kind of writer at all are
> bm>>> demolished by your advocating emoticons. jaysus.
> ??>>
> ??>> I do mostly agree with you Blake but not in avoiding
> ??>> emoticons when posting to news groups, not that I'd use
> ??>> them in *formal* or technical writing. IMHO, they are
> ??>> often a useful and facile way to indicate that you are
> ??>> joking or being a little tongue-in-cheek and don't want to
> ??>> be taken seriously. They can have similar uses to acronyms
> ??>> like IMHO that acknowledge that you know others may not
> ??>> agree. I used to sometimes use (g) instead of :-) but not
> ??>> everyone got it! There are many people, including me, who
> ??>> have Microsoft Word set to autocorrect things like :-) to
> ??>> the smiley for informal correspondence.
> ??>>
> ??>> James Silverton
>
> bm> i guess you are right insofar as it's a matter of taste. i
> bm> just don't like them. (i installed a new version of, i
> bm> think, eudora, that had the emoticon-to-'pretty' pictures
> bm> feature, and that drove me straight up the wall. thank god
> bm> it was easy to disable, or i'd have junked the software
> bm> entirely.) besides, i hate to telegraph a joke, or point
> bm> out that it is one.
>
> bm> i dislike the initialisms also ('imho'), because not
> bm> everyone knows what they mean. besides, this isn't instant
> bm> messaging or a telegram; you can afford to spell things
> bm> out.
>
> bm> but i'm just a cranky old man. your mileage may vary, as
> bm> they say on teh intarwebs.
>
>As you imply, IYHO! To each their own but I think you are in a
>small minority and fighting a war that was lost decades ago!
>(Don't bother taking up my apparent lack of grammatical number
>agreement. I quite long ago decided that I agreed with The Times
>of London about gender neutral pronouns :-)
>
>To tell the truth, I think it is fun to puzzle out things like
>AFAIK and you can always ask if you can't do it.
>
>Best wishes!
>
>James Silverton

maybe i'm just irritated because i can never remember what AFAIC
stands for.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2007-08-11, TammyM > wrote:
>
> > Doing dishes isn't that stimulating for me...Dammit. If it were, I'd
> > be doing dishes for the entire neighborhood, I'd quit my Uni job and
> > become a professional dishwasher! Starving, but happy.
>
> There ya' go.
>
> This question is a real poser, isn't it. I've had to think long and
> hard on it. When I do dishes, I sometimes think, "Do I need a new
> dish drainer?" Maybe, "Is it time to change the sponge?" There's the
> occasional, "I'll let it soak awhile longer" and the ever exciting "I
> hope I didn't drop a knife in here?" When I'm feeling really profound,
> I'll sometimes venture into the mysteries of life and exclaim, "What's
> that little thingie floating around?" But, mostly I let my mind drift
> to more mundane thoughts like, "I'll sure be glad when I'm finished
> doing these dishes."
>
> nb

Ever since June 24, I think about the little sprout I met at the RMH
dinner (in sig line). The little muffin is having a rough go of it all
and my thoughts are with and for him and his folks. Seems like the
mindless chore of washing dishes readily allows other thoughts to move
in. They are on my mind a lot.

OB Food:

{ Exported from MasterCook Mac }

Black Bean Tortilla Casserole

Recipe By: Posted to r.f.c. by Barb Schaller 8-11-2007
Serving Size: 6

1 can black beans
1 package small corn tortillas
1 can choppped tomatoes (can use some fresh
ones)
diced meat (pork or beef--optional I usually leave
out)
grated Monterey Jack cheese
chopped green pepper
chopped onion
chopped red bell pepper (optional)
other chopped veggies you want to use that
are "mexican" like chiles

Saute the meat until browned and remove. Saute onions until soft, add
veggies and cook briefly. Add beans (drain the can and rinse them) and
the chopped tomatoes. Mixture should be somewhat soupy. Add spices as
you like--I use cumin, salt, pepper, and tobasco. Cook mixture about
5-10 minutes or until heated through.

In an oiled casserole dish, put a layer of tortillas on bottom (may have
to cut them to fit), then a layer of the mixture, then a layer of grated
cheese. Continue this way until you run out, finishing with the cheese
layer. Bake long enough to warm (maybe 30 minutes at room temp?) and you
can serve room temp.
‹‹‹‹‹
Notes: Source: 10/2/95, rec. food.cooking, * Phaedra Hise *
* *
_____



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pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:55:19 GMT:

??>> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:32:55 GMT:
??>>
bm>>> but i'm just a cranky old man. your mileage may vary,
as
bm>>> they say on teh intarwebs.
??>>
??>> As you imply, IYHO! To each their own but I think you are
??>> in a small minority and fighting a war that was lost
??>> decades ago! (Don't bother taking up my apparent lack of
??>> grammatical number agreement. I quite long ago decided
??>> that I agreed with The Times of London about gender
??>> neutral pronouns :-)
??>>
??>> To tell the truth, I think it is fun to puzzle out things
??>> like AFAIK and you can always ask if you can't do it.
??>>
??>> Best wishes!
??>>
??>> James Silverton

bm> maybe i'm just irritated because i can never remember what
bm> AFAIC stands for.

You've got me, I don't know that one! Is it perhaps AFAICT ? As
long as we are discussing this, see if you can find "The New
Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond. It's pretty amusing and
has most of the answers.



James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On 11 Aug 2007 17:27:43 GMT, Blinky the Shark >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On 10 Aug 2007 21:16:47 GMT, Blinky the Shark >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I read about 30 groups a day, so it probably does.

I'm subscribed to 21 newsgroups. I only read one daily during the
summer. Two the rest of the time.
>>
>> the times i've read alt.fan.cecil-adams i've been pretty impressed
>> with the skills shown there.
>
>It's a rather exceptional group in that respect, IMO.
>
>Here's the other end of the spectrum (although the emphasis here is on
>knuckleheadedness rather than just writing skills):
>
>http://blinkynet.net/comp/dontask.html

What is NTL?



--

A husband is someone who takes out the trash and gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house.

Andy wrote:

>
> I think "Good Lord I'm so thankful I buy paper plates!!! And plastic knives,
> forks and spoons!"
>
> Andy

And when hearing about people who do that I get depressed about the
added burden to our landfills...

sf wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2007 17:27:43 GMT, Blinky the Shark >
> wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>> On 10 Aug 2007 21:16:47 GMT, Blinky the Shark >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I read about 30 groups a day, so it probably does.
>
> I'm subscribed to 21 newsgroups. I only read one daily during the
> summer. Two the rest of the time.
>>>
>>> the times i've read alt.fan.cecil-adams i've been pretty impressed
>>> with the skills shown there.
>>
>>It's a rather exceptional group in that respect, IMO.
>>
>>Here's the other end of the spectrum (although the emphasis here is on
>>knuckleheadedness rather than just writing skills):
>>
>>http://blinkynet.net/comp/dontask.html
>
> What is NTL?

An ISP.


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sf wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2007 17:31:56 GMT, Blinky the Shark >
> wrote:
>
>>TammyM wrote:
>>
>>> They don't know it's an abbreviation for et cetera because they
>>> pronounce it "eck cetera". <cringe> BOTH of my bosses pronounce it
>>> with a "k", and one of my bosses has a JD. They also (along with a
>>> huge number of people) misuse pronouns following a preposition. I
>>> don't correct them. I need the paycheck. And beyond that, my
>>> grammar ain't always so good neither so I jest shet my mouf.
>>
>>"[E]ck cetera" reminds me of our next door neighbor lady when I was a kid.
>>She always pronounced "else" as "elks". "Blah blah blah or elks blah
>>blah blah..."
>
> Was she one of those people who say "axe" instead of "ask"?

I don't think so. If so, I don't remember it.

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On Aug 11, 3:09 pm, Goomba38 > wrote:
> Andy wrote:
>
> > I think "Good Lord I'm so thankful I buy paper plates!!! And plastic knives,
> > forks and spoons!"
>
> > Andy
>
> And when hearing about people who do that I get depressed about the
> added burden to our landfills...

Really! We keep 8oz styrocups around for use when we (very seldom)
run out of clean coffee cups, and I sometimes use paper plates to put
deep fried stuff on to soak up grease, but all the time?

--Bryan

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:48:36 -0700, The Truthful Assh0le
> wrote:

>On Aug 11, 3:09 pm, Goomba38 > wrote:
>> Andy wrote:
>>
>> > I think "Good Lord I'm so thankful I buy paper plates!!! And plastic knives,
>> > forks and spoons!"

>> And when hearing about people who do that I get depressed about the
>> added burden to our landfills...
We keep 8oz styrocups around for use when we (very seldom)
>run out of clean coffee cups, and I sometimes use paper plates to put
>deep fried stuff on to soak up grease, but all the time?
>
>--Bryan

Same here. I try to use as little disposable stuff as possible..and
what I do use, I like to be able to recycle it.

I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
it rather tacky....

I suppose I could rent plates.glasses and the like, but that is a
hassle in itself....

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote

> Same here. I try to use as little disposable stuff as possible..and
> what I do use, I like to be able to recycle it.
>
> I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
> I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
> it rather tacky....

They make disposable plates that are biodegradable. Made
from corn, etc. They look like styrofoam plates.

I do use plastic plates and forks for tailgating. I wash the utensils
and reuse those, mostly. Of course, if where you live is in a
drought, throwing them out might be the better choice.

nancy

Christine Dabney said...

> I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> landfills....

???

Andy

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:52:04 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>Christine Dabney said...
>
>> I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
>> landfills....
>
>???
>
>Andy

As in not biodegrading. Or even putting stuff in them altogether.

Christine

Christine Dabney wrote:

> Same here. I try to use as little disposable stuff as possible..and
> what I do use, I like to be able to recycle it.
>
> I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
> I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
> it rather tacky....

I can't stand drinking out of styrofoam cups and usually go without the
hot drink rather than use one. They "ruin" a good cup of tea that much,
IMO. If I have to use a disposable product (under duress, such as a
party at work) I prefer the Chinet brand products. They are paper and
sturdy. Otherwise nothing ruins a meal for me faster than eating off
crappy paper products.
For work I buy heavy plasticware, and then bag it up and throw it in the
dishwasher for reuse. People at work humor me about it

Nancy Young wrote:

> I do use plastic plates and forks for tailgating. I wash the utensils
> and reuse those, mostly. Of course, if where you live is in a
> drought, throwing them out might be the better choice.
>
> nancy

I almost always can fit them into the dishwasher with my normal day to
day items and it doesn't use any more resources with them in there than not?

On Aug 11, 4:19 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Christine Dabney" > wrote
>
> > Same here. I try to use as little disposable stuff as possible..and
> > what I do use, I like to be able to recycle it.
>
> > I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
> > I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> > landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
> > it rather tacky....
>
> They make disposable plates that are biodegradable. Made
> from corn, etc. They look like styrofoam plates.
>
> I do use plastic plates and forks for tailgating. I wash the utensils
> and reuse those, mostly. Of course, if where you live is in a
> drought, throwing them out might be the better choice.

These are great. I also use them to cook because they are much less
likely to scratch non-stick cookware. http://www.wildernessdining.com/gs70x45.html
>
> nancy

--Bryan

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
> the times i've read alt.fan.cecil-adams i've been pretty impressed
> with the skills shown there.

Just yesterday another group had:
statue of limitations
mute point
alot
very unique

and probably a bunch of others that I just ignored. We all make typos on
occasion, but these are just poor use or understanding of the language.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

>
> I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
> I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
> it rather tacky....
>
> I suppose I could rent plates.glasses and the like, but that is a
> hassle in itself....
>
> Christine

When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
tossed.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
> and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
> tossed.

My local DAR group is planning a tea with a speaker who will be coming
in to talk about the history of tea and tea customs, et cetera... I
think it would be lovely if the members all brought their own tea cup
and saucer for the tea service afterwards. I'd enjoy seeing the various
china patterns.

blake murphy wrote:

> On 10 Aug 2007 18:35:28 GMT, "Default User" >
> wrote:

> > The goal of usenet is not to be a writing exhibition. It's a form of
> > communication. People participate because they wish to exchange
> > ideas. T

> and the goal of good writing is to communicate clearly. i'm not sure
> what your point is here.

I'd say it's pretty obvious. One can communicate clearly with slight
imperfections in the writing.

Is anyone really confused with the phrase, "where's it at"? Seriously,
how does that interfere one bit with communication?

This faux-grammar nonsense is just a form of snobbery.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:48:36 -0700, The Truthful Assh0le
> > wrote:
>
> >On Aug 11, 3:09 pm, Goomba38 > wrote:
> >> Andy wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think "Good Lord I'm so thankful I buy paper plates!!! And plastic
> >> > knives,
> >> > forks and spoons!"
>
> >> And when hearing about people who do that I get depressed about the
> >> added burden to our landfills...
> We keep 8oz styrocups around for use when we (very seldom)
> >run out of clean coffee cups, and I sometimes use paper plates to put
> >deep fried stuff on to soak up grease, but all the time?
> >
> >--Bryan
>
> Same here. I try to use as little disposable stuff as possible..and
> what I do use, I like to be able to recycle it.
>
> I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
> I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
> it rather tacky....
>
> I suppose I could rent plates.glasses and the like, but that is a
> hassle in itself....
>
> Christine

Geez.

Just tell everybody to bring their own mess kits!!!

Seriously!
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In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article >,
> Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
> >
> > I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
> > I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
> > landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
> > it rather tacky....
> >
> > I suppose I could rent plates.glasses and the like, but that is a
> > hassle in itself....
> >
> > Christine
>
> When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
> and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
> tossed.

We always did that for the pagan festivals that we attended too, even
for the catered and potluck dinners.

Same for SCA.

For SCA, you were expected to bring "period" type utensils, so wood and
pewter bowls and cups were acceptable. :-)

There is no reason each person cannot supply their own eating stuff,
altho' I did used to bring a few extras for newbies...
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In article >,
Goomba38 > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
> > and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
> > tossed.
>
> My local DAR group is planning a tea with a speaker who will be coming
> in to talk about the history of tea and tea customs, et cetera... I
> think it would be lovely if the members all brought their own tea cup
> and saucer for the tea service afterwards. I'd enjoy seeing the various
> china patterns.

I would encourage it. :-)
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On Aug 12, 12:13 am, Goomba38 > wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
> > and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
> > tossed.
>
> My local DAR group is planning a tea with a speaker who will be coming
> in to talk about the history of tea and tea customs, et cetera... I
> think it would be lovely if the members all brought their own tea cup
> and saucer for the tea service afterwards. I'd enjoy seeing the various
> china patterns.

You'll have to resist the urge to toss the tea into a large body of
water.

--Bryan

In article . com>,
The Truthful Assh0le > wrote:

> On Aug 12, 12:13 am, Goomba38 > wrote:
> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > > When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
> > > and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
> > > tossed.
> >
> > My local DAR group is planning a tea with a speaker who will be coming
> > in to talk about the history of tea and tea customs, et cetera... I
> > think it would be lovely if the members all brought their own tea cup
> > and saucer for the tea service afterwards. I'd enjoy seeing the various
> > china patterns.
>
> You'll have to resist the urge to toss the tea into a large body of
> water.
>
> --Bryan

Only in Boston.
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On Aug 9, 10:43 pm, blAndy > wrote:
> OK r.f.c folks, here's a kinda/sort OT question!!!
>
> What do you think about when you're washing dishes? Me, I come up
> with whimsical questions like this one. :-D
>
> You?
>
> blAndy

I don't think because we use paper plates. LMAO!

> On Aug 9, 10:43 pm, blAndy > wrote:
>> OK r.f.c folks, here's a kinda/sort OT question!!!
>>
>> What do you think about when you're washing dishes? Me, I come up
>> with whimsical questions like this one. :-D
>>
>> You?

I just push the start button and walk away.

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:18:57 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:55:19 GMT:
>
>
> > maybe i'm just irritated because i can never remember what
> > AFAIC stands for.
>
>You've got me, I don't know that one! Is it perhaps AFAICT ? As
>long as we are discussing this, see if you can find "The New
>Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond. It's pretty amusing and
>has most of the answers.
>
As much as I kick and scream about them, at least I know what AFAIC
means so I'm one up on both of you then. After all these years, I'm
only remembering in the last few months what TINC means every single
time I see it.

AFAIC: As Far As I'm Concerned
TINC: There Is No Cabal

AFAICT: As Far As I Can Tell (was another new one for me)

Dictionary: http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/


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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:04:49 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
>I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
>landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
>it rather tacky....
>
>I suppose I could rent plates.glaglasses and the like, but that is a
>hassle in itself....

Do you have a Smart & Final nearby? They have great plastic plates
and cutlery for party use (inexpensive price, great quality) and you
can recycle them by washing them in the dishwasher.

http://www.smartandfinal.com/locations.aspx


--

A husband is someone who takes out the trash and gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:59:33 -0700, sf wrote:


>Do you have a Smart & Final nearby? They have great plastic plates
>and cutlery for party use (inexpensive price, great quality) and you
>can recycle them by washing them in the dishwasher.
>
>http://www.smartandfinal.com/locations.aspx

None here in New Mexico. The closest one is in Phoenix, which is about
8 hours away.

Believe me, I checked.

Christine

said...

> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:04:49 -0600, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
>
>>I am searching for plates and things for the upcoming NM cook-in, and
>>I am trying to find things that will not do too much damage to our
>>landfills.... I personally dislike paper plates, etc a lot, as I find
>>it rather tacky....
>>
>>I suppose I could rent plates.glaglasses and the like, but that is a
>>hassle in itself....
>
> Do you have a Smart & Final nearby? They have great plastic plates
> and cutlery for party use (inexpensive price, great quality) and you
> can recycle them by washing them in the dishwasher.
>
> http://www.smartandfinal.com/locations.aspx


Ah the good ol' Fart & Smile. The original wholesale club.

Andy

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:18:57 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:55:19 GMT:
>
> ??>> blake wrote on Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:32:55 GMT:
> ??>>
> bm>>> but i'm just a cranky old man. your mileage may vary,
>as
> bm>>> they say on teh intarwebs.
> ??>>
> ??>> As you imply, IYHO! To each their own but I think you are
> ??>> in a small minority and fighting a war that was lost
> ??>> decades ago! (Don't bother taking up my apparent lack of
> ??>> grammatical number agreement. I quite long ago decided
> ??>> that I agreed with The Times of London about gender
> ??>> neutral pronouns :-)
> ??>>
> ??>> To tell the truth, I think it is fun to puzzle out things
> ??>> like AFAIK and you can always ask if you can't do it.
> ??>>
> ??>> Best wishes!
> ??>>
> ??>> James Silverton
>
> bm> maybe i'm just irritated because i can never remember what
> bm> AFAIC stands for.
>
>You've got me, I don't know that one! Is it perhaps AFAICT ? As
>long as we are discussing this, see if you can find "The New
>Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric Raymond. It's pretty amusing and
>has most of the answers.
>
>
>
>James Silverton

it's not hard to find the definitions, but then the writer has gotten
in his own way.

the irritation is mostly that i used to know but i can't remember.
another 'this is going to drive me nuts' moment.

your pal,
blake

On Aug 12, 6:17 am, The Truthful Assh0le > wrote:
> On Aug 12, 12:13 am, Goomba38 > wrote:
>
> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > > When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and flatware
> > > and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
> > > tossed.
>
> > My local DAR group is planning a tea with a speaker who will be coming
> > in to talk about the history of tea and tea customs, et cetera... I
> >thinkit would be lovely if the members all brought their own tea cup
> > and saucer for the tea service afterwards. I'd enjoy seeing the various
> > china patterns.
>
> You'll have to resist the urge to toss the tea into a large body of
> water.
>
> --Bryan

I was wondering where Phred's (or is it Fred's) comments were when
DAR came up in the post. Isn't he the one that thinks Americans know
nothing about their history, let alone the Boston Tea Party.
Let's hear from you, Phred. Tell us what a bunch of ignoramus' we
are.

Dee Dee

I think of how crappy modern sinks are for washing dishes !
I've got a modern stainless steel "two holer".
Not enough basin to wash alot of dishes
Not enough basin to stack dishes to dry.
And using the sprayer to rinse is a disaster.

Our last house had a large ( 6'?) cast iron sink.
A foot-high backsplash, with "restaurant faucets"
One center basin large enough to wash a small child.
Sloping drain surface on both sides of the sink.
Washing dishes was quick, convenient, efficient.



<rj>

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Aug 12, 6:17 am, The Truthful Assh0le > wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 12:13 am, Goomba38 > wrote:
>>
>> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> > > When we had potlucks at church, we brought our own plates and
>> > > flatware
>> > > and took it home with us to wash. Some brought paper and plastic and
>> > > tossed.
>>
>> > My local DAR group is planning a tea with a speaker who will be coming
>> > in to talk about the history of tea and tea customs, et cetera... I
>> >thinkit would be lovely if the members all brought their own tea cup
>> > and saucer for the tea service afterwards. I'd enjoy seeing the various
>> > china patterns.
>>
>> You'll have to resist the urge to toss the tea into a large body of
>> water.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I was wondering where Phred's (or is it Fred's) comments were when
> DAR came up in the post. Isn't he the one that thinks Americans know
> nothing about their history, let alone the Boston Tea Party.
> Let's hear from you, Phred. Tell us what a bunch of ignoramus' we
> are.
>
> Dee Dee

I should have written "Isn't he the one WHO thinks ...."
Forgive me, please, this Sunday morning, those grammar people who may be
reading this!
Dee Dee

In article >, Goomba38
@comcast.net says...
> Andy wrote:
>
> >
> > I think "Good Lord I'm so thankful I buy paper plates!!! And plastic knives,
> > forks and spoons!"
> >
> > Andy
>
> And when hearing about people who do that I get depressed about the
> added burden to our landfills...
>

The problem is that no matter what you use, there's some drawback. For
example, if you wash dishes you're wasting water as well as the energy
to heat the water.

But at the very least the discharged water can be treated and returned
to the environment.

T wrote:

> The problem is that no matter what you use, there's some drawback. For
> example, if you wash dishes you're wasting water as well as the energy
> to heat the water.
>
> But at the very least the discharged water can be treated and returned
> to the environment.
>
True, but my dishwasher uses the same amount of water empty or full-
even if I add a few more dishes to the load.