Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.

Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
By Said And Dunn

Ingredients

2 slices whole wheat bread
1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded

Directions

Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side of each slice of
bread. Place shredded apple onto the peanut butter, and place the
other peanut buttered side of bread on top. Serve immediately.

http://family.go.com/food/




--

A husband is someone who takes out the trash and gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house.

On Aug 9, 6:24 pm, sf wrote:
> Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>
> Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
> By Said And Dunn
>
> Ingredients
>
> 2 slices whole wheat bread
> 1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
> 1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded
>
> Directions
>
> Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side of each slice of
> bread. Place shredded apple onto the peanut butter, and place the
> other peanut buttered side of bread on top. Serve immediately.
>
> http://family.go.com/food/
>
If you care about your childs health you can look at the ingredients
on the PB labels, and choose one that does not contain hydrogenated
oils.

The problem with shredding apple is that it gets "brown and icky."
I make PB, apple and honey sandwiches for my 5 YO, but I make them for
him to eat right away. Same with bananas.

Now, strawberries you can get away with a few hours sliced w/o
appreciable deterioration.

There is a discontinuity between the topic " back to school lunchbox
food," and "serve immediately," in the body of the post.

--Bryan

sf wrote:
> Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>
> Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
> By Said And Dunn
>
> Ingredients
>
> 2 slices whole wheat bread
> 1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
> 1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded
>
> Directions
>
> Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side of each slice of
> bread. Place shredded apple onto the peanut butter, and place the
> other peanut buttered side of bread on top. Serve immediately.

Serve immediately... How do you manage that when you're packing "back
to school lunchbox food"?

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Aug 9, 6:24 pm, sf wrote:
>> Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>>
>> Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
>> By Said And Dunn
>>
>> Ingredients
>>
>> 2 slices whole wheat bread
>> 1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
>> 1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded
>>
>> Directions
>>
>> Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side of each slice of
>> bread. Place shredded apple onto the peanut butter, and place the
>> other peanut buttered side of bread on top. Serve immediately.
>>
>> http://family.go.com/food/
>>
> If you care about your childs health you can look at the ingredients
> on the PB labels, and choose one that does not contain hydrogenated
> oils.
>
> The problem with shredding apple is that it gets "brown and icky."
> I make PB, apple and honey sandwiches for my 5 YO, but I make them for
> him to eat right away. Same with bananas.
>
> Now, strawberries you can get away with a few hours sliced w/o
> appreciable deterioration.
>
> There is a discontinuity between the topic " back to school lunchbox
> food," and "serve immediately," in the body of the post.
>
> --Bryan
>

The shredded apple "gets brown and icky" from oxidation, right? But, if it
placed between 2 slices of bread, both of which have been coated with peanut
butter, the apple will be protected from exposure to the air and should
remain in it's pristine, shredded state. And besides, how can you tell?
Ever try to disassemble a peanut butter sandwich?!

>sf wrote:
>Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
>By Said And Dunn
>Ingredients
>2 slices whole wheat bread
>1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
>1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded
>Directions
>Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side
>of each slice of bread. Place shredded apple onto the
>peanut butter, and place the other peanut buttered side of
>bread on top. Serve immediately.
------------------------------------------------------
Many school districts here in metro Detroit have taken peanuts/peanut
butter/peanut oil off the school lunch menu & have banned any students
bringing these food items on school property.

A student in my birth state - Indiana- was given a three day suspension
last school season for eating a small bag of peanuts in the school
parking lot during lunch period after a teacher turned him in.

I would ck. with your local school district concerning rules with the
brown bag lunches before the new school season begins.

<snip>
> Many school districts here in metro Detroit have taken peanuts/peanut
> butter/peanut oil off the school lunch menu & have banned any students
> bringing these food items on school property.
>
> A student in my birth state - Indiana- was given a three day
> suspension last school season for eating a small bag of peanuts in
> the school parking lot during lunch period after a teacher turned him
> in.
>
> I would ck. with your local school district concerning rules with the
> brown bag lunches before the new school season begins.

Why?

On Aug 10, 12:53 am, "tom" > wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > Many school districts here in metro Detroit have taken peanuts/peanut
> > butter/peanut oil off the school lunch menu & have banned any students
> > bringing these food items on school property.
>
> > A student in my birth state - Indiana- was given a three day
> > suspension last school season for eating a small bag of peanuts in
> > the school parking lot during lunch period after a teacher turned him
> > in.
>
> > I would ck. with your local school district concerning rules with the
> > brown bag lunches before the new school season begins.
>
> Why?

When you eat peanuts, the terrorists win.

ms. tonya wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>> Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>> Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Many school districts here in metro Detroit have taken peanuts/peanut
> butter/peanut oil off the school lunch menu & have banned any students
> bringing these food items on school property.
>
A ridiculous thing.

> A student in my birth state - Indiana- was given a three day
> suspension last school season for eating a small bag of peanuts in
> the school parking lot during lunch period after a teacher turned him
> in.
>
What a stupid thing to do to that child. Suspend him from school for eating
peanuts? No wonder education in this country has gone downhill. The people
who run the school systems are obviously idiots. The child eating peanuts
is not responsible for a child with allergies. You didn't cite any sources
but it doesn't sound like the kid with peanuts ran up and crushed peanuts in
this other kids' mouth.

> I would ck. with your local school district concerning rules with the
> brown bag lunches before the new school season begins.

Ahem... sf *IS* a teacher. I'm pretty sure she knows what her school
district does/does not allow.

I never heard of anything as ridiculous as banning peanut butter because a
small number of students might be allergic to it. It was my bread and
butter (so to speak) when I was in elementary school. No one I ever
attended classes with (and we're talking schools from New Jersey to southern
California and a lot of places in between) had any problem with peanuts or
peanut butter. Treat the kid with medication for an allergy; don't deprive
the entire population of something that is a lunch classic.

Jill

Jill wrote:

> I never heard of anything as ridiculous as banning peanut butter because a
> small number of students might be allergic to it. It was my bread and
> butter (so to speak) when I was in elementary school. No one I ever
> attended classes with (and we're talking schools from New Jersey to
> southern California and a lot of places in between) had any problem with
> peanuts or peanut butter. Treat the kid with medication for an allergy;
> don't deprive the entire population of something that is a lunch classic.

....and exactly how will your outrage affect the existing school policies?
Are you suggesting that students and parents defy the policies because you
think they're "ridiculous"?

Bureaucrats everywhere are pigheaded. The policy is NOT going to change.
Mouth off about it all you like, but the KIDS are the ones who will suffer
because of it.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Jill wrote:
>
>> I never heard of anything as ridiculous as banning peanut butter
>> because a small number of students might be allergic to it. It was
>> my bread and butter (so to speak) when I was in elementary school.
>> No one I ever attended classes with (and we're talking schools from
>> New Jersey to southern California and a lot of places in between)
>> had any problem with peanuts or peanut butter. Treat the kid with
>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>> something that is a lunch classic.
>
> ...and exactly how will your outrage affect the existing school
> policies? Are you suggesting that students and parents defy the
> policies because you think they're "ridiculous"?
>
> Bureaucrats everywhere are pigheaded. The policy is NOT going to
> change. Mouth off about it all you like, but the KIDS are the ones
> who will suffer because of it.
>
> Bob

Bob. Outrage? This wasn't outrage. I frankly don't care one way or the
other. And I don't expect my views to affect school policy. In fact, I
expect would ignore it, even though I pay taxes towards a school system when
I don't have kids.

I eat peanut butter. I love peanut butter on toasted wheat bread. Can you
not read for comprehension? Why should a kid eating peanuts on school
grounds be suspended because of another ones allergies? How was that child
to know what this person was allergic to peanuts? What, next you'd like to
legislate bees because some people are allergic to bee stings? What about
gluten allergies... should we ban bread? Ban pasta? Ban everything and
finally there will be nothing left to eat. Because next thing you know
everyone will be suing everyone... no beef, no chicken, no lamb, no pork, no
wheat, no eggs. No nothing. Eat leaves. Whatever!!! I have no clue where
you're coming from but your post is purely ridiculous.

OB Food: Got some nice Andoulle sausage at the grocery store. I don't have
an allergy to rice or sausage so I'll be making some Jambalaya with 2 of
them and broiling the rest to just eat. Too hot to grill outside but I'll
consider it (briefly). I also got some bratwurst

Jill

Jill wrote:

> Why should a kid eating peanuts on school grounds be suspended because of
> another ones allergies? How was that child to know what this person was
> allergic to peanuts? What, next you'd like to legislate bees because some
> people are allergic to bee stings? What about gluten allergies... should
> we ban bread? Ban pasta? Ban everything and finally there will be
> nothing left to eat. Because next thing you know everyone will be suing
> everyone... no beef, no chicken, no lamb, no pork, no wheat, no eggs. No
> nothing. Eat leaves. Whatever!!!

I see you're utterly unfamiliar with the fact that a "slippery slope"
fallacy is just as logically invalid as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

And how did my comment on an existing school policy become turned into what
*I'd* want to legislate?


> I have no clue where you're coming from but your post is purely
> ridiculous.

Wait -- since you also called the school's policy ridiculous, on Jill's Big
List Of Ridiculous Things, which one is higher, the policy or the post? And
maybe the post was only ridiculous to YOU because you have no clue where I'm
coming from, did you think about that?


ObFood: Got all kinds of variety meats today: Elk tenderloin, ostrich
filets, a whole rabbit, and wild boar chops. Also some veal sweetbreads and
other more conventional meats. Anybody want to suggest how I ought to cook
the wild boar chops?


Bob

On 10 Aug 2007 02:23:03 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:



>
>>ObFood: Got all kinds of variety meats today: Elk tenderloin, ostrich
>filets, a whole rabbit, and wild boar chops. Also some veal sweetbreads and
>other more conventional meats. Anybody want to suggest how I ought to cook
>the wild boar chops?
>

Where did you get all these meats? These sound good.

Hmm...I would ask Victor about the wild boar....

Christine
>

Christine asked:

>> ObFood: Got all kinds of variety meats today: Elk tenderloin, ostrich
>> filets, a whole rabbit, and wild boar chops. Also some veal sweetbreads
>> and other more conventional meats. Anybody want to suggest how I ought
>> to cook the wild boar chops?
>>
>
> Where did you get all these meats? These sound good.

There's a meat market in Roseville that I don't visit NEARLY enough. I went
there today in search of slab bacon (which they ended up not having), calf's
liver, and sweetbreads. So I put the slab bacon on order and got a bunch of
other stuff on impulse.


> Hmm...I would ask Victor about the wild boar....

Yes, I was hoping Victor would weigh in. I remember his mentioning a wild
boar ragout around Christmas. So far, my search has turned up lots of
recommendations to grill the chops, and an interesting recipe from Ted
Nugent.


Bob

On 10 Aug 2007 02:59:02 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Christine asked:

>> Where did you get all these meats? These sound good.
>
>There's a meat market in Roseville that I don't visit NEARLY enough. I went
>there today in search of slab bacon (which they ended up not having), calf's
>liver, and sweetbreads. So I put the slab bacon on order and got a bunch of
>other stuff on impulse.

Ooh..wish I had known about this market. Maybe when I get back to the
bay area, I can visit this one.
I would love to try sweetbreads someday. I had a bite of some off a
friend's dinner plate a few years ago...we were at a fancy
restaurant...and they were good.

How's Lin adjusting to life in northern Cal?

Christine

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Jill wrote:
>
>> Why should a kid eating peanuts on school grounds be suspended
>> because of another ones allergies? How was that child to know what
>> this person was allergic to peanuts?

YA KNOW BOB.... My post wasn't about YOU. It was about suspending a kid for
eating peanuts. It was about sf posting a PB& Apple sandwich. Not about
YOU. Get over yourself.

jmcquown wrote:
Treat the kid with
> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
> something that is a lunch classic.

You really need to read up on peanut allergy.

For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut can
cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!

"In effect, the body's immune system, which is there to tackle substances or
organisms which are a threat, such as bacteria or viruses, decides that
something harmless poses a great danger, and launches a massive overreaction
In extreme cases, large quantities of an antibody called immunoglobin E are
produced, which cause a variety of effects on the body's cells and tissues.

In particular, it causes the body to release an excess amount of histamine,
a dangerous chemical.

The resultant, and usually very swift, effects are muscle contractions and
swelling, often closing the throat, making it difficult to breathe.

Sufferers may also experience abdominal pain, vomiting and diarrhoea.
Immunoglobin E expands blood vessels, causing a drop in blood pressure,
which leads to fainting or unconsciousness.

The most visible signs are often swelling and rashes on the skin, or on the
lips and tongue if it is a food allergy."

Ophelia wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> Treat the kid with
>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>> something that is a lunch classic.
>
> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>
No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.

> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut
> can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>
HENCE... the EPI-pen. If parents know a child has allergies, don't punish
the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs' problem, not everyone
around the child. Good lord, get a grip. If I have a dog that bites I'll
keep the dog away from people. If I have trees or flowers with pollen,
sorry, I can't control that so perhaps if you have allergies it's your
personal responsibility to deal with it. Personal responsibility. When was
this concept lost?

jmcquown wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> Treat the kid with
>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>>
>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>
> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>
>> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut
>> can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>>
> HENCE... the EPI-pen. If parents know a child has allergies, don't
> punish the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs'
> problem, not everyone around the child. Good lord, get a grip. If I
> have a dog that bites I'll keep the dog away from people. If I have
> trees or flowers with pollen, sorry, I can't control that so perhaps
> if you have allergies it's your personal responsibility to deal with
> it. Personal responsibility. When was this concept lost?

Yep you reacted just as I thought you would!


http://allergysmart.net/blog/date/2005/04/



http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25571.500.html



http://www.schoolnurse.com/med_info/..._planning.html

jmcquown wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> Treat the kid with
>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>>
>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>
> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>
>> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut
>> can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>>
> HENCE... the EPI-pen. If parents know a child has allergies, don't
> punish the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs'
> problem, not everyone around the child. Good lord, get a grip. If I
> have a dog that bites I'll keep the dog away from people. If I have
> trees or flowers with pollen, sorry, I can't control that so perhaps
> if you have allergies it's your personal responsibility to deal with
> it. Personal responsibility. When was this concept lost?

Yep you reacted just as I thought you would!

Jill's rule of self, self, self!!!!!


http://allergysmart.net/blog/date/2005/04/



http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25571.500.html



http://www.schoolnurse.com/med_info/..._planning.html

Jill wrote:

>>> Why should a kid eating peanuts on school grounds be suspended
>>> because of another ones allergies? How was that child to know what
>>> this person was allergic to peanuts?
>
> YA KNOW BOB.... My post wasn't about YOU. It was about suspending a kid
> for eating peanuts. It was about sf posting a PB& Apple sandwich. Not
> about YOU. Get over yourself.

You need to work on getting more rational quotes, Tits. I know you're not
such a newbie that you CAN'T select the quote to which you're replying, but
you sure failed to do that in this case. That's probably because what you
wrote WAS about me, and you didn't want to quote it because it contradicted
what you were about to write. Here's what you wrote, just to refresh your
memory:

| What, next you'd like to legislate bees because some people are allergic
| to bee stings? What about gluten allergies... should we ban bread? Ban
| pasta? Ban everything and finally there will be nothing left to eat.
| Because next thing you know everyone will be suing everyone... no beef, no
| chicken, no lamb, no pork, no wheat, no eggs. No nothing. Eat leaves.
| Whatever!!

See how you started that irrational arm-waving with "_YOU'D_ like to
legislate"? That's where you started talking about me. Now, you may have
MEANT something completely different, but let me clue you in on how this
text-based Usenet thing works: We can only guess at what you mean by WHAT
YOU WRITE. And what you wrote about was -- wait for it -- ME!

Speaking generally, allow me to point out that there's no requirement at all
for you to post EVERY LITTLE THING that floats to the forefront of your
cerebral cortex. For example, if someone posts requesting a recipe for coq
au vin, you seem compelled to write, "I don't have one." What's the point of
that? Do you believe that EVERYBODY who lacks that recipe ought to post the
fact that they don't have it?

Moving from the general to this specific case, you felt compelled to write
that you thought the school policy was "ridiculous." Well, unless you have
some kind of authority to effect a change, your opinion is pretty
insignificant, isn't it? Do you believe that your post to a mostly-obsolete
corner of the Internet is going to make an iota of difference to the people
who matter? If you don't believe such a thing, what did you hope to
accomplish by posting? Was it just because you love to see your words in
print? Get over yourself! (And if you *do* believe your opinion makes a
difference, you REALLY need to get over yourself!)


Bob

Jill replied:

>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>
> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.

You must be very stupid; the schools have to deal with reality as it is NOW.
The reality NOW is that peanut allergies are much more common and much more
severe. Your asinine defense of your own ignorance is appalling.

Bob

On 10 Aug 2007 06:56:01 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Jill replied:
>
>>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>>
>> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
>> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>
>You must be very stupid; the schools have to deal with reality as it is NOW.
>The reality NOW is that peanut allergies are much more common and much more
>severe. Your asinine defense of your own ignorance is appalling.
>
>Bob
>

I don't think there is much doubt she's stupid. Not so long ago there
was a news story about someone who died from a kiss by someone who had
eaten nuts. I have a friend with a child who has peanut allergies.
Before Louise and I got together he spent more time over here. Being
a foodie there is usually lots off goodies around and nuts are a
staple. He always asks if there's nuts in whatever I offered. Once
his wife took the kids out of town for a few days and he was my dinner
guest and he pigged out on lots of sweets with nuts. After dinner,
snacks, and desert he went out and bought a toothbrush. He washed his
face and hands, and used one of my shirts just in case there was
anything on his. It's serious shit and if my kid was still in school
I'd have no problem not sending peanut butter with him. Jill has no
maternal instinct and all she knows about parenting came from her
parents. And look what a sweetheart they raised.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
>
(snips)
> . . . . Not so long ago there
> was a news story about someone who died from a kiss by someone who had
> eaten nuts. I have a friend with a child who has peanut allergies.
> Before Louise and I got together he spent more time over here. Being
> a foodie there is usually lots off goodies around and nuts are a
> staple. He always asks if there's nuts in whatever I offered. Once
> his wife took the kids out of town for a few days and he was my dinner
> guest and he pigged out on lots of sweets with nuts. After dinner,
> snacks, and desert he went out and bought a toothbrush. He washed his
> face and hands, and used one of my shirts just in case there was
> anything on his. It's serious shit and if my kid was still in school
> I'd have no problem not sending peanut butter with him.
(. . . more snips)
> Lou

It has to be very difficult for the parents with children who have
severe food allergies! I cannot imagine the terror and fear they must
feel when their child(ren) get exposed to the particular food or foods
that cause the potentially lethal allergic reaction, especially when it
can be prevented with a little or a lot of effort. It's scary to think
such things as nuts and shellfish can kill a person who has a severe
allergy in no time flat!

Sky

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:14:22 -0500, "jmcquown" > wrote:

>What a stupid thing to do to that child. Suspend him from school for eating
>peanuts? No wonder education in this country has gone downhill. The people
>who run the school systems are obviously idiots. The child eating peanuts
>is not responsible for a child with allergies. You didn't cite any sources
>but it doesn't sound like the kid with peanuts ran up and crushed peanuts in
>this other kids' mouth.
>
>Jill
>

Modern day rules/policy are set by LAWYERS !
They're put in place to reduce liability.

If Little Joey stuffed a peanut up his nose, and suffocated,
you can be sure the outraged parents would be sueing
the school district for a $$zillion$$ bucks.....
( and, sigh... they'd win )


<rj>

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
...
> There's a meat market in Roseville that I don't visit NEARLY enough. I
> went
> there today in search of slab bacon (which they ended up not having),
> calf's
> liver, and sweetbreads. So I put the slab bacon on order and got a bunch
> of
> other stuff on impulse.

Hey Bob, what's the name of the meat market in Roseville?

Sharon

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

>
> ObFood: Got all kinds of variety meats today: Elk tenderloin, ostrich
> filets, a whole rabbit, and wild boar chops. Also some veal sweetbreads and
> other more conventional meats. Anybody want to suggest how I ought to cook
> the wild boar chops?
>
>


I've never had wild boar but, faced with it, I'd probably braise it with
red wine, garlic, and onions.

gloria p

jmcquown wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> Treat the kid with
>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>
> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>
>> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut
>> can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>>
> HENCE... the EPI-pen.

1. The EPI-pen isn't a simple solution like an aspirin, nor is it meant
for everyday use.

> If parents know a child has allergies, don't punish
> the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs' problem, not everyone
> around the child.

If 5 kids in a classroom of 20 have serious peanut allergies, are you
suggesting they should all use an EPI-pen every day when one of their
classmates brings PBJ for lunch?

Many elementary schools are declared "peanut-free zones" just as the
high schools are "alcohol and tobacco free zones."

Most people see it as not impinging on freedom but simple consideration
for a serious medical condition.

Aren't you one of the people who can't stand strong perfumes? Wouldn't
it be considerate of other people to lay off the scent when going into
groups? Same thing.

gloria p

Puester wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Treat the kid with
>>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>>
>> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
>> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>>
>>> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a
>>> peanut can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>>>
>> HENCE... the EPI-pen.
>
> 1. The EPI-pen isn't a simple solution like an aspirin, nor is it
> meant for everyday use.
>
>> If parents know a child has allergies, don't punish
>> the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs' problem, not
>> everyone around the child.
>
> If 5 kids in a classroom of 20 have serious peanut allergies, are you
> suggesting they should all use an EPI-pen every day when one of their
> classmates brings PBJ for lunch?
>
> Many elementary schools are declared "peanut-free zones" just as the
> high schools are "alcohol and tobacco free zones."
>
> Most people see it as not impinging on freedom but simple
> consideration for a serious medical condition.
>
> Aren't you one of the people who can't stand strong perfumes? Wouldn't it
> be considerate of other people to lay off the scent when
> going into groups? Same thing.

We are wasting our time with that one. What does it matter to her if
someone is in a lifethreatening situation so long as it doesn't put *her*
out!!

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:09:56 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
> Treat the kid with
>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>> something that is a lunch classic.
>
>You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>
>For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut can
>cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!

yeah, but it's just a few measly kids. why should everyone else be
inconvenienced by being forced to eat their ymmy pb&j at home?

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:29:44 -0500, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> Treat the kid with
>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>>
>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>
>No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
>complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>
>> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut
>> can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>>
>HENCE... the EPI-pen. If parents know a child has allergies, don't punish
>the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs' problem, not everyone
>around the child. Good lord, get a grip. If I have a dog that bites I'll
>keep the dog away from people. If I have trees or flowers with pollen,
>sorry, I can't control that so perhaps if you have allergies it's your
>personal responsibility to deal with it. Personal responsibility. When was
>this concept lost?
>

yeah, and if the kid loses his epipen, too ****ing bad. he was
probably stupid anyway.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:38:29 GMT, Lou Decruss >
wrote:

>On 10 Aug 2007 06:56:01 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:
>
>>Jill replied:
>>
>>>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>>>
>>> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
>>> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>>
>>You must be very stupid; the schools have to deal with reality as it is NOW.
>>The reality NOW is that peanut allergies are much more common and much more
>>severe. Your asinine defense of your own ignorance is appalling.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>
>I don't think there is much doubt she's stupid. Not so long ago there
>was a news story about someone who died from a kiss by someone who had
>eaten nuts. I have a friend with a child who has peanut allergies.
>Before Louise and I got together he spent more time over here. Being
>a foodie there is usually lots off goodies around and nuts are a
>staple. He always asks if there's nuts in whatever I offered. Once
>his wife took the kids out of town for a few days and he was my dinner
>guest and he pigged out on lots of sweets with nuts. After dinner,
>snacks, and desert he went out and bought a toothbrush. He washed his
>face and hands, and used one of my shirts just in case there was
>anything on his. It's serious shit and if my kid was still in school
>I'd have no problem not sending peanut butter with him. Jill has no
>maternal instinct and all she knows about parenting came from her
>parents. And look what a sweetheart they raised.
>
>Lou

how can you say that? jill has raised a kitty! no sissy-boy peanut
allergies there!

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:23:59 -0700, "<RJ>" >
wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:14:22 -0500, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>>What a stupid thing to do to that child. Suspend him from school for eating
>>peanuts? No wonder education in this country has gone downhill. The people
>>who run the school systems are obviously idiots. The child eating peanuts
>>is not responsible for a child with allergies. You didn't cite any sources
>>but it doesn't sound like the kid with peanuts ran up and crushed peanuts in
>>this other kids' mouth.
>>
>>Jill
>>
>
>Modern day rules/policy are set by LAWYERS !
>They're put in place to reduce liability.
>
>If Little Joey stuffed a peanut up his nose, and suffocated,
>you can be sure the outraged parents would be sueing
>the school district for a $$zillion$$ bucks.....
>( and, sigh... they'd win )
>
>
><rj>

they'd win if the school knew about the problem and failed to
adequately deal with it. what's wrong with that?

your pal,
blake

Puester wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Treat the kid with
>>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>>> You really need to read up on peanut allergy.
>>>
>> No, I don't need to. You must be very young; there were never any
>> complaints about peanut allergies until the last 10 years or so.
>>
>>> For someone with that allergy, to be in minimal contact with a peanut
>>> can cause anaphylactic shock and death within a few minutes!
>>>
>> HENCE... the EPI-pen.
>
> 1. The EPI-pen isn't a simple solution like an aspirin, nor is it meant
> for everyday use.
>
>> If parents know a child has allergies, don't punish
>> the masses, give the kid a solution. It's the childs' problem, not everyone
>> around the child.
>
> If 5 kids in a classroom of 20 have serious peanut allergies, are you
> suggesting they should all use an EPI-pen every day when one of their
> classmates brings PBJ for lunch?

Considering the odds of having that sensitivity, what are the odds of
having a class that has a 25% incidence rate? IOW, is your question
as stated relevant? It sounds like it's on the hyperbole end of the
hypothetical case spectrum.


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Bob Terwilliger > wrote:

> Christine asked:
>
> > Hmm...I would ask Victor about the wild boar....
>
> Yes, I was hoping Victor would weigh in. I remember his mentioning a wild
> boar ragout around Christmas. So far, my search has turned up lots of
> recommendations to grill the chops, and an interesting recipe from Ted
> Nugent.

I'd be happy to oblige and will indeed provide a recipe I like, but
there is a potential problem... Is it real, i.e. imported, wild boar
you got? Wild boar is not native to America and what is often referred
to under that name there is actually either feral, originally domestic
pig, or peccary/javelina. If that is the case here, I won't be much
help, as I have never tasted either kind of meat and cannot say if it is
at all similar to wild boar.

European wild boar is not a gamy or very strongly tasting meat as a
rule, especially if the animal is not too old. So, marinating is not
absolutely necessary, even if often practised. The meat is cut as pork
and most pork recipes can be adapted easily or just used unchanged.
However, here is a nice recipe with a comparatively strong-tasting
sauce, which will be particularly suitable if your meat will turn out
strong-tasting. The recipe is from _Pork & Sons_ by Stéphane Reynaud.
Also, I'd mention that there is an interesting Sardinian sweet 'n' sour
wild boar chops recipe that uses chocolate in the sauce! So, it is not
just the Mexican mole or the Cincinnati chili!

Victor

Wild boar chops with tart red fruits

Preparation time: 10 minutes
Cooking time: 20 minutes

Serves 6

3 crisp eating apples
2 tablespoons sweet butter
6 wild boar chops (or domestic pork chops)
4 teaspoons brandy
scant 1 cup Côtes du Rhône or Shiraz wine
1/4 cup crème de cassis
1/2 cup gooseberries
1/3 cup dewberries or blackberries
2/3 cup raspberries

Peel and core the apples and cut them into fourths. Melt the butter in
a skillet. Add the apples and cook, turning occasionally, for about 5
minutes, until golden brown. Remove from the skillet and reserve the
cooking juices.

Add the chops to the skillet and cook for 5 minutes on each side, then
remove from the skillet and keep warm.

Add the brandy to the skillet, heat for a few seconds, and ignite. When
the flames have died down, stir in the red wine, scraping any sediment
from the base with a wooden spoon. Add the crème de cassis and cook
until reduced.

Beat the reserved cooking juices into the sauce, add the fruit, and cook
for 1 minute. Divide the chops and apples among individual serving
plates and spoon the sauce over them.

On Aug 9, 6:24 pm, sf wrote:
> Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>
> Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
> By Said And Dunn
>
> Ingredients
>
> 2 slices whole wheat bread
> 1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
> 1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded
>
> Directions
>
> Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side of each slice of
> bread. Place shredded apple onto the peanut butter, and place the
> other peanut buttered side of bread on top. Serve immediately.
>
> http://family.go.com/food/
>
> --
>
> A husband is someone who takes out the trash and gives the impression he just cleaned the whole house.

jmcquown wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> Jill wrote:
>>
>>> I never heard of anything as ridiculous as banning peanut butter
>>> because a small number of students might be allergic to it. It was
>>> my bread and butter (so to speak) when I was in elementary school.
>>> No one I ever attended classes with (and we're talking schools from
>>> New Jersey to southern California and a lot of places in between)
>>> had any problem with peanuts or peanut butter. Treat the kid with
>>> medication for an allergy; don't deprive the entire population of
>>> something that is a lunch classic.
>> ...and exactly how will your outrage affect the existing school
>> policies? Are you suggesting that students and parents defy the
>> policies because you think they're "ridiculous"?
>>
>> Bureaucrats everywhere are pigheaded. The policy is NOT going to
>> change. Mouth off about it all you like, but the KIDS are the ones
>> who will suffer because of it.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Bob. Outrage? This wasn't outrage. I frankly don't care one way or the
> other. And I don't expect my views to affect school policy. In fact, I
> expect would ignore it, even though I pay taxes towards a school system when
> I don't have kids.

How do you receive welfare and pay taxes? Aren't I paying for you and
your internet access with MY taxes?

> Jill
>
>

Victor contributed:

> I'd be happy to oblige and will indeed provide a recipe I like, but
> there is a potential problem... Is it real, i.e. imported, wild boar
> you got? Wild boar is not native to America and what is often referred
> to under that name there is actually either feral, originally domestic
> pig, or peccary/javelina. If that is the case here, I won't be much
> help, as I have never tasted either kind of meat and cannot say if it is
> at all similar to wild boar.

I believe it's imported.


>
> European wild boar is not a gamy or very strongly tasting meat as a
> rule, especially if the animal is not too old. So, marinating is not
> absolutely necessary, even if often practised. The meat is cut as pork
> and most pork recipes can be adapted easily or just used unchanged.
> However, here is a nice recipe with a comparatively strong-tasting
> sauce, which will be particularly suitable if your meat will turn out
> strong-tasting. The recipe is from _Pork & Sons_ by Stéphane Reynaud.
> Also, I'd mention that there is an interesting Sardinian sweet 'n' sour
> wild boar chops recipe that uses chocolate in the sauce! So, it is not
> just the Mexican mole or the Cincinnati chili!
>
> Victor
>
> Wild boar chops with tart red fruits
<snip>

Thank you very much, both for the recipe and for the general information!

Bob

Sharon asked:

> Hey Bob, what's the name of the meat market in Roseville?

Roseville Meat Company
700 Atlantic St
Roseville, CA 95678
(916) 782-2705

There's a life-size papier-mché steer out front.

Bob

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:14:24 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
wrote:

>The problem with shredding apple is that it gets "brown and icky."

Usually, but didn't you notice that the apples are between two layers
of PB? I doubt they will oxidize by noon if you squish it properly.


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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:39:53 -0500, Kathleen
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> Here's a twist on the traditional PB & J.
>>
>> Peanut Butter and Apple Sandwich
>> By Said And Dunn
>>
>> Ingredients
>>
>> 2 slices whole wheat bread
>> 1 tablespoon peanut butter, or to taste
>> 1 small apple - peeled, cored and shredded
>>
>> Directions
>>
>> Spread a thin layer of peanut butter onto one side of each slice of
>> bread. Place shredded apple onto the peanut butter, and place the
>> other peanut buttered side of bread on top. Serve immediately.
>
>Serve immediately... How do you manage that when you're packing "back
>to school lunchbox food"?

Obviously, "serve immediately" was put there just for Bobo!





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