I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
things, but nothing I am looking for.

For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
operate, fool-proof, etc.

The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.

You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
this:

measuring
\ cup / sliding adjustable
\ / pivot counterweight
\__/ ____ ____
|===============| |=======####
balance beam \/

Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
showed milliliters. That's OK.

Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?

-A

In article >, (axlq)
wrote:

> I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> operate, fool-proof, etc.
>
> The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
> one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
> sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
> on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
> it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
> in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.
>
> You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
> on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
> until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
> sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
> pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
> this:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding adjustable
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/
>
> Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
> marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
> showed milliliters. That's OK.
>
> Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
> on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?
>
> -A

Try a Scientific supply.
Mine is metal, otherwise knows as a triple beam balance.

It was laboratory surplus.

Works great.

My sister uses it to measure soap making ingredients.

I have a regular brass spring scale that has both standard and metric
measurements.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:13:12 +0000 (UTC), (axlq)
wrote:

>I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
>things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
>For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
>useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
>mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
>operate, fool-proof, etc.
>

I've never seen the one you are searching for. But there are some
mechanical kitchen scales at Amazon. I own this one. which does the
job well:
http://www.amazon.com/Salter-11-Poun...000281&sr=1-79


Barry in Indy

Barry wrote:
> (axlq) wrote:
>
> >For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> >useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> >mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> >operate, fool-proof, etc.

I'd think your local drug dealer could help you with one of those.


> I've never seen the one you are searching for. But there are some
> mechanical kitchen scales at Amazon. I own this one. which does the
> job well:http://www.amazon.com/Salter-11-Poun...n-Stainless/dp...


Lee Vally has a nice kitchen scale too.

http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page...=2,40733,44734


Sheldon

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:13:12 +0000 (UTC), (axlq)
wrote:

>I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
>things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
>For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
>useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
>mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
>operate, fool-proof, etc.
>
>The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
>one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
>sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
>on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
>it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
>in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.
>
>You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
>on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
>until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
>sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
>pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
>this:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding adjustable
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/
>
>Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
>marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
>showed milliliters. That's OK.
>
>Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
>on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?
>
>-A

Hello Axlq,

I don't know if the "single-beam balance" is still sold, though
triple-beam ("trip") balances are readily available. A trip balance
has three beams and three weights; 100g, 10g, 1g is common.

I had to use trip balances in high school chemistry. Today's
electronic balances are SOOOO much more convenient (trust me; I've
taught chemistry for mumble-mumble years). My electronic kitchen
scale was under $20, and I can do much the same as you did with your
mom's balance. You use what is called a "tare" button on the balance.

Want to weigh 750 g flour?
--Push ON button. Balance reads 0g.
--Put the cup or bowl on the balance. Now it reads something more,
say 224 g
--Press TARE. The balance again reads 0g. It's automatically
subtracted the weight of your cup/bowl.
--Spoon in flour. When you get close to 750 g, slow down. Stop when
it reads 750 g. Done.
--Need to weigh another ingredient? Just put the new cup/bowl on the
balance and TARE again. Reads zero again. Go for it.

My scale will weigh up to 5000 grams to plus or minus a gram. When
making bread I can weigh both the flour and the yeast if I want...

Hope this helps -- Terry

In article >,
Terry > wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:13:12 +0000 (UTC), (axlq)
> wrote:
>
> >I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> >things, but nothing I am looking for.
> >
> >For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> >useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> >mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> >operate, fool-proof, etc.
> >
> >The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
> >one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
> >sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
> >on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
> >it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
> >in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.
> >
> >You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
> >on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
> >until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
> >sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
> >pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
> >this:
> >
> > measuring
> > \ cup / sliding adjustable
> > \ / pivot counterweight
> > \__/ ____ ____
> > |===============| |=======####
> > balance beam \/
> >
> >Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
> >marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
> >showed milliliters. That's OK.
> >
> >Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
> >on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?
> >
> >-A
>
> Hello Axlq,
>
> I don't know if the "single-beam balance" is still sold, though
> triple-beam ("trip") balances are readily available. A trip balance
> has three beams and three weights; 100g, 10g, 1g is common.
>
> I had to use trip balances in high school chemistry. Today's
> electronic balances are SOOOO much more convenient (trust me; I've
> taught chemistry for mumble-mumble years). My electronic kitchen
> scale was under $20, and I can do much the same as you did with your
> mom's balance. You use what is called a "tare" button on the balance.
>
> Want to weigh 750 g flour?
> --Push ON button. Balance reads 0g.
> --Put the cup or bowl on the balance. Now it reads something more,
> say 224 g
> --Press TARE. The balance again reads 0g. It's automatically
> subtracted the weight of your cup/bowl.
> --Spoon in flour. When you get close to 750 g, slow down. Stop when
> it reads 750 g. Done.
> --Need to weigh another ingredient? Just put the new cup/bowl on the
> balance and TARE again. Reads zero again. Go for it.
>
> My scale will weigh up to 5000 grams to plus or minus a gram. When
> making bread I can weigh both the flour and the yeast if I want...
>
> Hope this helps -- Terry

I have to concur with Terry.
While I do have a triple beam balance (lab surplus), the digital scales
we use at work are a lot less hassle.

Try ebay.
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axlq > writes:

> I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> things, but nothing I am looking for.


I'm surprised you can still get them. After all, people might use
them for making druuuuugs.



Geoff

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to prevent pregnancy." -- Andy Banta

In article >,
(Geoff Miller) wrote:

> axlq > writes:
>
> > I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> > things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
>
> I'm surprised you can still get them. After all, people might use
> them for making druuuuugs.
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> "That's like using a condom *and* abstinence
> to prevent pregnancy." -- Andy Banta

<snork> They have a lot more uses.. My sister used mine to make soap.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
>> axlq > writes:
>>
>> > I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
>> > things, but nothing I am looking for.
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised you can still get them. After all, people might use
>> them for making druuuuugs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> --
>> "That's like using a condom *and* abstinence
>> to prevent pregnancy." -- Andy Banta
>
> <snork> They have a lot more uses.. My sister used mine to make soap.

Scales or condoms?

In article >,
"Pete Fraser" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > (Geoff Miller) wrote:
> >
> >> axlq > writes:
> >>
> >> > I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> >> > things, but nothing I am looking for.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm surprised you can still get them. After all, people might use
> >> them for making druuuuugs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Geoff
> >>
> >> --
> >> "That's like using a condom *and* abstinence
> >> to prevent pregnancy." -- Andy Banta
> >
> > <snork> They have a lot more uses.. My sister used mine to make soap.
>
> Scales or condoms?

Triple beam Balance scale.

Beast. ;-)
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axlq wrote:
> I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> operate, fool-proof, etc.
>
> The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
> one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
> sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
> on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
> it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
> in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.
>
> You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
> on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
> until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
> sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
> pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
> this:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding adjustable
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/
>
> Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
> marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
> showed milliliters. That's OK.
>
> Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
> on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?
>
> -A

Well this doesn't have the pivot, but it may be similar:

"http://www.saveonscales.com/product_myweigh_triple_beam_balance_scale.html"

On Aug 12, 9:13 pm, (axlq) wrote:
> I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> operate, fool-proof, etc.


That's un-American.


>
> The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
> one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
> sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
> on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
> it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
> in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.
>
> You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
> on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
> until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
> sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
> pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
> this:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding adjustable
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/
>
> Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
> marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
> showed milliliters. That's OK.
>
> Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
> on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?
>
> -A

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:13:12 +0000 (UTC), (axlq)
wrote:

>The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
>one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
>sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
>on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
>it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
>in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.

This is a type of "balance beam scale". I can't find any in plastic
or with the bubble level (but you really don't need a bubble level,
it's easy enough to SEE when it's level). You can use any balance
beam scale - add your own measuring cup and put a counterweight on the
other side to balance so that it sets at 0 with the measuring cup on
the platform. See:

<http://www.stacksandstacks.com/html/118612_antique-style-balance-scale.htm>

<http://www.plunderhere.com/auction/cgi-bin/auction/view?cmd=view&listingID=251845>

<http://item.express.ebay.com/Brand-NEW-OhausTriple-Beam-610g-x-0-1g-Balance-Scale_W0QQitemZ120147065925QQihZ002QQtrZexpQQcmdZE xpressItem>

<http://cgi.ebay.com/Ohaus-Heavy-Duty-Solution-Balance-triple-beam-scale_W0QQitemZ120150444723QQihZ002QQcategoryZ4872 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>

jc

I really appreciate all the replies.

However, I wasn't looking for a triple-beam balance or a digital
scale; I know where to get those, and I came across dozens while
searching for the specific single-beam balance scale I described,
which balances on your countertop.

Although I'll probably end up getting a digital scale for $30 or so,
I was interested in this cheap plastic beam balance scale mostly for
sentimental reasons (because my Mom used one for over 40 years) and
partly for its engineering simplicity and elegance.

-A

In article >, axlq > wrote:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/

axlq wrote:

> Although I'll probably end up getting a digital scale for $30 or so,
> I was interested in this cheap plastic beam balance scale mostly for
> sentimental reasons (because my Mom used one for over 40 years) and
> partly for its engineering simplicity and elegance.
>
> -A
>
> In article >, axlq > wrote:
>> measuring
>> \ cup / sliding
>> \ / pivot counterweight
>> \__/ ____ ____
>> |===============| |=======####
>> balance beam \/


Its been a few years but I recall seeing them in catalogs geared to
science and brain toy type catalogs. Have you tried a teacher supply
store or catalog?

On Aug 13, 12:13?am, (axlq) wrote:
> I went looking online for kitchen scales today. Lots of digital
> things, but nothing I am looking for.
>
> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> operate, fool-proof, etc.
>
> The whole thing was plastic. It consisted of a measuring cup at
> one end of a balance beam, a counterweight at the other end, and a
> sliding pivot in the middle, on which the whole scale would balance
> on your countertop. The sliding piece had a small bubble-level in
> it. Well, not all plastic; the counterweight clearly had some metal
> in it and the bubble-level contained liquid.
>
> You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
> on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
> until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
> sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
> pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
> this:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding adjustable
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/
>
> Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
> marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
> showed milliliters. That's OK.
>
> Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
> on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?

Don't know why you would want one other than as a conversation piece,
but they are readily available. I think for general kitchen use a
mechanical dial scale is most advantageous. Digital scales are good
too but unless you use it often you'll still be changing worn batterys
and for nothing.

http://www.fantes.com/scales.htm#balance

Sheldon

In article .com>,
Sheldon > wrote:
>
>Don't know why you would want one other than as a conversation piece,
>but they are readily available.

Where? Mind you, this is a single beam balance with no base, in
which the balance point (knife-edge, pivot, whatever you call it)
rests on the countertop. It's even more efficient than a beam
balance with a base (less moving parts, and less total parts),
lightweight and compact.

>I think for general kitchen use a mechanical dial scale is most
>advantageous. Digital scales are good too but unless you use it
>often you'll still be changing worn batterys and for nothing.

Well, I *did* run across a digital scale that has no batteries;
you simply twist part of it, and that action charges a capacitor
sufficiently to power the unit long enough to tare the scale and
weigh something. Pretty cool concept:

http://www.designboom.com/contest/vi...em_pk=7832&p=1

....but, unfortunately, only a concept at this time. Not for sale.

-A

(axlq) wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> >Don't know why you would want one other than as a conversation piece,
> >but they are readily available.
>
> Where?

I included a link... perhaps your contacts are in backwards.

In article .com>,
Sheldon > wrote:
>(axlq) wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> >Don't know why you would want one other than as a conversation piece,
>> >but they are readily available.
>>
>> Where?
>
>I included a link... perhaps your contacts are in backwards.

I did look at that link, thanks. The page didn't show what I described.
The balance beam I described was a single beam with no base; it balances
on the countertop.
-A

On Aug 16, 2:08?pm, (axlq) wrote:
> In article .com>,
>
> Sheldon > wrote:
> >(axlq) wrote:
> >> Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> >Don't know why you would want one other than as a conversation piece,
> >> >but they are readily available.
>
> >> Where?
>
> >I included a link... perhaps your contacts are in backwards.
>
> I did look at that link, thanks. The page didn't show what I described.
> The balance beam I described was a single beam with no base; it balances
> on the countertop.

Something at least 40 years old and made of plastic is very likely no
longer made, probably made only one run that year. If you could
supply a brand name, and/or a picture then perhaps folks could be more
helpful. Even ebay had nothing fitting your description.

axlq > wrote:

> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
> operate, fool-proof, etc.

Is this anything like what you are looking for?

<http://www.pennscale.com/bakers_scales.htm>

<http://www.pennscale.com/heirloom_scales.htm>

Victor

Victor Sack > wrote:

>axlq > wrote:

>> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
>> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
>> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
>> operate, fool-proof, etc.

>Is this anything like what you are looking for?

I get the impression the OP is describing a balance with no
base, in which the knife-edge lay directly upon a surface such
as a counter.

Steve

In article >,
Steve Pope > wrote:
>Victor Sack > wrote:
>
>>axlq > wrote:
>
>>> For the past 40 years my mother had (from Germany) this incredibly
>>> useful kitchen scale. It needed no batteries, had no moving
>>> mechanism (just a couple parts you move yourself), simple to
>>> operate, fool-proof, etc.
>
>>Is this anything like what you are looking for?
>
>I get the impression the OP is describing a balance with no
>base, in which the knife-edge lay directly upon a surface such
>as a counter.

Exactly!

The "knife edge" is actually a rounded thing, and you slide it along the
beam to balance it. The beam has weight readings written along its top,
and the knife-edge slider thing has a mark on it so you can read the
weight.

-A

On Aug 12, 9:13 pm, (axlq) wrote:

> You set the sliding thing to point at the weight you want (written
> on the balance beam) and fill the measuring cup with ingredients
> until the bubble-level shows it's balanced. The scale will then be
> sitting on your countertop rocking back and forth on the sliding
> pivot. In ASCII art (fixed-width font) it looked something like
> this:
>
> measuring
> \ cup / sliding adjustable
> \ / pivot counterweight
> \__/ ____ ____
> |===============| |=======####
> balance beam \/
>
> Of course, being from Germany, the weights on the balance beam were
> marked off in grams, and the volume increments on the measuring cup
> showed milliliters. That's OK.
>
> Try as I might, I can't find this device ANYWHERE. Not on eBay, not
> on my Google searches, noplace. Are these still sold anymore?

If the cup holds no more than 125g, you want a Dr. Oetker Klein-
Balkenwaage (Small balance scale). I see there's one offered online
for $3.99. Mine was $10.50 back in the day. Dr. Oetker has gone all-
electronic now, unfortunately.

You might want to check homebrewing stores for battery-free scales --
that's where I originally got mine. And, of course, head shops.

In article . com>,
> wrote:
>If the cup holds no more than 125g, you want a Dr. Oetker Klein-
>Balkenwaage (Small balance scale). I see there's one offered online
>for $3.99. Mine was $10.50 back in the day. Dr. Oetker has gone all-
>electronic now, unfortunately.

Hm. A google search for "Dr. Oetker" "klein balkenwaage" didn't turn
anything up. Thanks though. I do believe it held more than 125g
though. The cup on the end of the beam held about 2 cups, I recall.
That's about 400 ml, which if filled with water would be 400g.

-A

In article >, axlq > wrote:

>Hm. A google search for "Dr. Oetker" "klein balkenwaage" didn't turn
>anything up. Thanks though. I do believe it held more than 125g
>though. The cup on the end of the beam held about 2 cups, I recall.
>That's about 400 ml, which if filled with water would be 400g.

I susepct your scale is a pretty obscure item. Nothing like it
turns up on any search.

Steve