Julia Altshuler wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
>> Julia, have you ever found a bagel in NYC that doesn't have a
>> comparable one somewhere else? I haven't. AFAIC, if the "perfect" NY
>> bagel is always on the other side of town, don't call it a NY bagel -
>> call it by the bagelry that makes it.
>
>
> Interesting question. If I lived in New York, I'd go outside to do
> research right this minute. I've had bad bagels in New York, stale and
> airy. But I've never had a bagel outside of New York that was as good
> as a good New York one.
>
>
> --Lia
>
We have a local Mom & Pop Jewish deli that makes great boiled bagels.
The family came here from Brooklyn a few generations back.

They are nice and shiny with just the right amount of chewy texture.
They don't make yuppie flavor bagels either.Its the only place around
here to get a good bagel. The ones in the various big box places are
just winder bread hamburger buns with holes in the center.

I go to NYC a lot and they are the same you would find at a good bagel
shop there.

Dee Dee wrote:
> "Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Davlo wrote:
>>
>>> Montreal bagels are *something*, but they're certainly not bagels. You
>>> want a bagel - go to NYC.
>>
>> For Cathy--
>>
>>
>> Might this be a survey? Once and for all, let people vote on bagels. Are
>> New York bagels the only true bagels, or might there be other places that
>> compare? Are bagels doughnut shaped bread or something chewier and more
>> sublime? Can Real Bagels have blueberries and whole wheat, or is that
>> sacrilege, the only true bagels being made with pumpernickle or sesame
>> seeds?
>>
>>
>> --Lia
>
> Here is a thread about bagels that started from a guy that told me about the
> best bagels he's ever eaten. I consider him an expert on bagels. Near New
> Haven - the best pizza in the world.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/384hac
>
> Dee Dee
>
>
We have the same Italian enclave as New Haven in my area. We also have
excellent pizza.

Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > Croissants I had in Denmark and Germany were every bit as good as those I
> > had in France.
>
> That does it! I don't believe you and am going to do the research
> myself eating croissants across Europe.

I remember looking forward to returning to France and enjoying great
croissants and being sorely disappointed by what we got at our hotel. They
didn't hold a candle to what I had in Denmark and Germany, though I had
great croissants in other parts of France.
But by all means..... go over and check it out. I really enjoyed the food
in Europe.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:44:52 -0400, "elaine" >
wrote:

>I'm off to Montreal on Friday until Monday with a couple of friends who
>enjoy eating and are excellent cooks.. We plan on doing Japanese one night
>and French one night.
>
>I looked on Chowhound (never knew about that site until someone mentioned it
>the other day). Suggestions from anyone in this group would be welcome too.
>
>Thanks in advance.........
>
>e.
>
I've not visited Montreal before, but I ran across several references
to Montreal beef a few weeks back when I raised the issue of
home-cured pastrami. Alan (hahabogus) in particular said it was worth
a try. Your opinions, should you happen to get a Montreal beef
sandwich would be most welcome
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"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Davlo said...
>
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Check out some of the Montreal bagel shops. Montreal bagels are
>>> incredible. I haven't been able to bring myself to bye bagels around
>>> her because I got spoiled there.
>>
>> Montreal bagels are *something*, but they're certainly not bagels. You
>> want a bagel - go to NYC.
>
>
> It can't be THAT difficult that only New Yorkers can make "real" bagels.
> Bunch o' crapola! I bet you can find an as good as, if not better bagel in
> Montreal.

You'd lose that bet, my friend. Not even close.

Davlo wrote:

>>> Montreal bagels are *something*, but they're certainly not bagels. You
>>> want a bagel - go to NYC.
>>
>> It can't be THAT difficult that only New Yorkers can make "real" bagels.
>> Bunch o' crapola! I bet you can find an as good as, if not better bagel in
>> Montreal.
>
> You'd lose that bet, my friend. Not even close.
>
True 'dat! Breads are notorious for being regional in flavor because of
the water, the yeasts present in the environment and other factors.
That's why you can't get the same flavored of sourdough bread outside of
the San Francisco area as you can there. Bagels from NY are special.
I've never eaten any elsewhere that taste as good! Not bad, mind you,
but not as good.

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:44:52 -0400, "elaine" >
> wrote:
>
>>I'm off to Montreal on Friday until Monday with a couple of friends who
>>enjoy eating and are excellent cooks.. We plan on doing Japanese one
>>night
>>and French one night.
>>
>>I looked on Chowhound (never knew about that site until someone mentioned
>>it
>>the other day). Suggestions from anyone in this group would be welcome
>>too.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.........
>>

> Why do Japanese in Montreal of all places?

I figure poutine, smoked sandwiches for lunch; bagels for breakfast - that
covers the local food.........French - 'cause we're in Montreal.
So..........why not Japanese??
e.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:17:24 -0400, "elaine" >
wrote:

><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:44:52 -0400, "elaine" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm off to Montreal on Friday until Monday with a couple of friends who
>>>enjoy eating and are excellent cooks.. We plan on doing Japanese one
>>>night
>>>and French one night.
>>>
>>>I looked on Chowhound (never knew about that site until someone mentioned
>>>it
>>>the other day). Suggestions from anyone in this group would be welcome
>>>too.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.........
>>>
>
>> Why do Japanese in Montreal of all places?
>
>I figure poutine, smoked sandwiches for lunch; bagels for breakfast - that
>covers the local food.........French - 'cause we're in Montreal.

If that's what you consider covering the local food, knock yourself
out.

>So..........why not Japanese??

You're only there for two days that's why. Is there a compelling
reason to eat Japanese in Montreal? Is Montreal renowned for its
Japanese food? You don't have Japanese food where you come from?


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:17:01 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>Here is a thread about bagels that started from a guy that told me about the
>best bagels he's ever eaten. I consider him an expert on bagels. Near New
>Haven - the best pizza in the world.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/384hac
>
>Dee Dee

There ya go! According to that guy, the best NY bagel isn't even in
NYC.


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:20:38 -0400, George >
wrote:

>We have the same Italian enclave as New Haven in my area. We also have
>excellent pizza.

Sicilian?


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sf wrote:
> >
> >So..........why not Japanese??
>
> You're only there for two days that's why. Is there a compelling
> reason to eat Japanese in Montreal? Is Montreal renowned for its
> Japanese food? You don't have Japanese food where you come from?


I can understand having Chinese food in Toronto or Vancouver or some other
place where there is a significant Chinese population, or Japanese food on
the west coast where there are lots of Japanese people. I go to Montreal a
few times a year and I can't remember even seeing Japanese people, other
than busloads of tourists. To the best of my knowledge, it is certainly
not renowned for good Japanese food.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>> >
>> >So..........why not Japanese??
>>
>> You're only there for two days that's why. Is there a compelling
>> reason to eat Japanese in Montreal? Is Montreal renowned for its
>> Japanese food? You don't have Japanese food where you come from?
>
>
> I can understand having Chinese food in Toronto or Vancouver or some other
> place where there is a significant Chinese population, or Japanese food on
> the west coast where there are lots of Japanese people. I go to Montreal
> a
> few times a year and I can't remember even seeing Japanese people, other
> than busloads of tourists. To the best of my knowledge, it is certainly
> not renowned for good Japanese food.

Maybe not, but one of the people with whom I am travelling is from a very
small town in Ontario - she just happens to love Japanese food.

elaine wrote:
>
>
> > I can understand having Chinese food in Toronto or Vancouver or some other
> > place where there is a significant Chinese population, or Japanese food on
> > the west coast where there are lots of Japanese people. I go to Montreal
> > a
> > few times a year and I can't remember even seeing Japanese people, other
> > than busloads of tourists. To the best of my knowledge, it is certainly
> > not renowned for good Japanese food.
>
> Maybe not, but one of the people with whom I am travelling is from a very
> small town in Ontario - she just happens to love Japanese food.


That reminds me why I hate travelling with other people. I went on a group
trip to Europe with my brothers and their wives and had a crappy meal in an
Italian restaurant in Germany.

Give your friend some personal time to go and have some Japanese food on
her own.

On second thought.... I had a wonderful meal in a Portuguese restaurant in
Montreal. It was one rue Duluth, not far from L'Express that I recommended.


One of the nice things about Montreal is that it is a very affordable city
for tourists. I was surprised at the low cost of hotels and decent
restaurants. It is a real bargain compared to most cities. We always have
at least one meal in my son's favourite vegetarian Indian restaurant. The
dinner specials, including dessert are $4.95.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> elaine wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I can understand having Chinese food in Toronto or Vancouver or some
>> > other
>> > place where there is a significant Chinese population, or Japanese food
>> > on
>> > the west coast where there are lots of Japanese people. I go to
>> > Montreal
>> > a
>> > few times a year and I can't remember even seeing Japanese people,
>> > other
>> > than busloads of tourists. To the best of my knowledge, it is
>> > certainly
>> > not renowned for good Japanese food.
>>
>> Maybe not, but one of the people with whom I am travelling is from a very
>> small town in Ontario - she just happens to love Japanese food.
>
>
> That reminds me why I hate travelling with other people. I went on a group
> trip to Europe with my brothers and their wives and had a crappy meal in
> an
> Italian restaurant in Germany.
>
> Give your friend some personal time to go and have some Japanese food on
> her own.
>
> On second thought.... I had a wonderful meal in a Portuguese restaurant in
> Montreal. It was one rue Duluth, not far from L'Express that I
> recommended.
>
>
> One of the nice things about Montreal is that it is a very affordable city
> for tourists. I was surprised at the low cost of hotels and decent
> restaurants. It is a real bargain compared to most cities. We always have
> at least one meal in my son's favourite vegetarian Indian restaurant. The
> dinner specials, including dessert are $4.95.

Well you can choose your friends, but not your family. And I happen to like
Japanese food - just as you might like veggie Indian.

BTW there is an excellent vegetarian Indian buffet place in Brampton called
Brar Sweets .

For poutine, go to Au Pied Cochon and get the Fois Gras Poutine

There's a very good Chinatown in Montreal, but not very much japanese.
ScottR

"Scott Robins" alid> wrote
in message . 128...
> For poutine, go to Au Pied Cochon and get the Fois Gras Poutine
>
> There's a very good Chinatown in Montreal, but not very much japanese.
> ScottR

cool, thanks.
e.

elaine wrote:

>
> >
> > One of the nice things about Montreal is that it is a very affordable city
> > for tourists. I was surprised at the low cost of hotels and decent
> > restaurants. It is a real bargain compared to most cities. We always have
> > at least one meal in my son's favourite vegetarian Indian restaurant. The
> > dinner specials, including dessert are $4.95.
>
> Well you can choose your friends, but not your family. And I happen to like
> Japanese food - just as you might like veggie Indian.

I live near Niagara Falls and there are several Japanese restaurants who
cater to the hordes of Japanese tourists, but none of them are very good. I
always thought the idea of dining out in a city was to experience a flavour
of the city and to try the local cuisine. It just strikes me as a little
odd to plan in advance to have Japanese food in a city that is not well
known for it, but which does have a name for many other things. So good
luck to you. I hope you enjoy it.

> BTW there is an excellent vegetarian Indian buffet place in Brampton called
> Brar Sweets .

If they have the $4.95 special than includes dessert it may be worth the
drive. I will have to leave my wife at home. She doesn't enjoy vegetarian
Indian food. No meal is complete for her unless there is lots of meat.

On 16 Aug 2007 00:23:55 GMT, Scott Robins
alid> wrote:

>For poutine, go to Au Pied Cochon and get the Fois Gras Poutine
>
>There's a very good Chinatown in Montreal, but not very much japanese.

I don't get it. Why would anyone want to *pay* for poutine other than
it has an exotic name? It's french fries, cottage cheese ("fresh"
cheese curds) and gravy (probably from a can). I can't think of a
more disgusting combination. Adding fois gras to the mix doesn't make
it more appealing, just more expensive.


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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...

>
> One of the nice things about Montreal is that it is a very affordable city
> for tourists. I was surprised at the low cost of hotels and decent
> restaurants. It is a real bargain compared to most cities. We always have
> at least one meal in my son's favourite vegetarian Indian restaurant. The
> dinner specials, including dessert are $4.95.

We haven't been to Montreal for a few years now. We did go several times in
a few years before that. It is a place I loved. I have noticed the dollar
dive and wondering how it could be as reasonable as it was. I've not really
checked, but I get spam-type ads coming through that make me feel that
Montreal is upping its prices, in addition to the dollar difference.
Just a thought.
Dee Dee

elaine
"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> elaine wrote:
>> BTW there is an excellent vegetarian Indian buffet place in Brampton
>> called
>> Brar Sweets .
>
> If they have the $4.95 special than includes dessert it may be worth the
> drive. I will have to leave my wife at home. She doesn't enjoy vegetarian
> Indian food. No meal is complete for her unless there is lots of meat.

Nope. It's $9.95 plus tax I think.
e.

sf wrote:
>
>
> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to *pay* for poutine other than
> it has an exotic name? It's french fries, cottage cheese ("fresh"
> cheese curds) and gravy (probably from a can). I can't think of a
> more disgusting combination. Adding fois gras to the mix doesn't make
> it more appealing, just more expensive.


It is fresh cheese curds, not cottage cheese. Most people who try it love
it.

Dee Dee wrote:
>
> We haven't been to Montreal for a few years now. We did go several times in
> a few years before that. It is a place I loved. I have noticed the dollar
> dive and wondering how it could be as reasonable as it was. I've not really
> checked, but I get spam-type ads coming through that make me feel that
> Montreal is upping its prices, in addition to the dollar difference.
> Just a thought.


I imagine that when the Canadian dollar was at an all time low it was
ridiculously cheap. It is cheap compared to most other Canadian
destinations, and our prices are generally pretty close to US prices.
Exchange killed me in Colorado when I went there in 02 with 65 cent dollars
and prices were higher than here.

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On 16 Aug 2007 00:23:55 GMT, Scott Robins
> alid> wrote:
>
>>For poutine, go to Au Pied Cochon and get the Fois Gras Poutine
>>
>>There's a very good Chinatown in Montreal, but not very much japanese.
>
> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to *pay* for poutine other than
> it has an exotic name? It's french fries, cottage cheese ("fresh"
> cheese curds) and gravy (probably from a can). I can't think of a
> more disgusting combination. Adding fois gras to the mix doesn't make
> it more appealing, just more expensive.
>

There is no reason to go to Quebec to eat it, it is available all through
Canada and probably in the USA too. It is disgustingly tastey though.

There is no cottage cheese involved, and it is easy enough to make at home.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:44:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to *pay* for poutine other than
>> it has an exotic name? It's french fries, cottage cheese ("fresh"
>> cheese curds) and gravy (probably from a can). I can't think of a
>> more disgusting combination. Adding fois gras to the mix doesn't make
>> it more appealing, just more expensive.
>
>
>It is fresh cheese curds, not cottage cheese. Most people who try it love
>it.

They are probably the same people who like chili cheese fries.


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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:44:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to *pay* for poutine other than
>>> it has an exotic name? It's french fries, cottage cheese ("fresh"
>>> cheese curds) and gravy (probably from a can). I can't think of a
>>> more disgusting combination. Adding fois gras to the mix doesn't make
>>> it more appealing, just more expensive.
>>
>>
>>It is fresh cheese curds, not cottage cheese. Most people who try it love
>>it.
>
> They are probably the same people who like chili cheese fries.

If you took the silver spoon out of your mouth and actually lowered yourself
to try them, you may find that you'd like them. How horrible for you, to
have your delicate sensibilities offended so - you can't think of a more
disgusting combination! Truly dramatic words about a delicious marriage of
potatoes, cheese and gravy.

Maybe in the chichi French restaurants you prefer to dine in, something as
base as peasant food would be scoffed at, but for millions of Quebecoise
this is a comfort food that is meant to satisfy. Also, apparently your
horizons are quite limited if you think that French-Canadian sounds exotic.
Poutine simply means "a mess."

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:29:54 -0400, "Davlo" > wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:44:06 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't get it. Why would anyone want to *pay* for poutine other than
>>>> it has an exotic name? It's french fries, cottage cheese ("fresh"
>>>> cheese curds) and gravy (probably from a can). I can't think of a
>>>> more disgusting combination. Adding fois gras to the mix doesn't make
>>>> it more appealing, just more expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>It is fresh cheese curds, not cottage cheese. Most people who try it love
>>>it.
>>
>> They are probably the same people who like chili cheese fries.
>
>If you took the silver spoon out of your mouth and actually lowered yourself
>to try them, you may find that you'd like them. How horrible for you, to
>have your delicate sensibilities offended so - you can't think of a more
>disgusting combination! Truly dramatic words about a delicious marriage of
>potatoes, cheese and gravy.
>
Sounds like someone is a little touchy! It's ok for the world to bash
Americans on their choice of horrible foods to eat, but shut the hell
up, Americans, if you even *think* about bashing anyone else's junk
food. I still say it's absolutely disgusting to look at and I
wouldn't travel all the way to Montreal to eat poutine or Japanese
food.

>Maybe in the chichi French restaurants you prefer to dine in, something as
>base as peasant food would be scoffed at, but for millions of Quebecoise
>this is a comfort food that is meant to satisfy.

I'm scoffing.... while trying to hold back the gag reflex.

>Also, apparently your
>horizons are quite limited if you think that French-Canadian sounds exotic.

It ain't pedestrian (or understandable) English, honey buns....
therefore it's "exotic".

>Poutine simply means "a mess."
>
That's exactly what it looks like, a regurgitated mess. We'd have
another word for it in English and it's much easier to spell.

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sf wrote:
>
>
> >>>It is fresh cheese curds, not cottage cheese. Most people who try it love
> >>>it.
> >>
> >> They are probably the same people who like chili cheese fries.
> >
> >If you took the silver spoon out of your mouth and actually lowered yourself
> >to try them, you may find that you'd like them. How horrible for you, to
> >have your delicate sensibilities offended so - you can't think of a more
> >disgusting combination! Truly dramatic words about a delicious marriage of
> >potatoes, cheese and gravy.
> >
> Sounds like someone is a little touchy! It's ok for the world to bash
> Americans on their choice of horrible foods to eat, but shut the hell
> up, Americans, if you even *think* about bashing anyone else's junk
> food. I still say it's absolutely disgusting to look at and I
> wouldn't travel all the way to Montreal to eat poutine or Japanese
> food.


Someone is touchy?? What launched that patriotic response. There was
nothing anti American in Davlo's comments.
I don't know what you find so disgusting about it, but I get the impression
that fries and gravy is not very popular in the US. I Googled French fries
and gravy and the first batch of hits came back with articles about poutine
and one of them said that one restaurant in Cambridge added it to their
menu because they were already serving french fries and gravy. Fries are
great with gravy and most restaurants around here offer gravy on fries.
The most common is gravy for fries is beef, while poutine calls for chicken
gravy. But we are weird. We also put vinegar on fries.

> People put gracy on mashed potatoes, roast potatoes, baked potatoes..... why not on fries.
> >Maybe in the chichi French restaurants you prefer to dine in, something as
> >base as peasant food would be scoffed at, but for millions of Quebecoise
> >this is a comfort food that is meant to satisfy.
>
> I'm scoffing.... while trying to hold back the gag reflex.

I don't eat poutine because I generally only have fries in small servings,
but I have tried it several times and it is very good. Bear in mind that
those who specialize in poutine in Quebec use quality products and proven
techniques. Several fast food joints have adapted it to their menus but
dummed it down with their fast food ingredients, crappy frozen fries, cheap
cheese and canned gravy.

Peter wrote:

> There is no reason to go to Quebec to eat it, it is available all through
> Canada and probably in the USA too. It is disgustingly tastey though.
>
> There is no cottage cheese involved, and it is easy enough to make at home.

Many years ago, we ordered poutine at a drive in window in Quebec, at
either Burger King or McDonald's, I do not remember which one. It was
delicious, wherever it came from.

Becca

<sf> wrote in message ...

> Sounds like someone is a little touchy! It's ok for the world to bash
> Americans on their choice of horrible foods to eat, but shut the hell
> up, Americans, if you even *think* about bashing anyone else's junk
> food. I still say it's absolutely disgusting to look at and I
> wouldn't travel all the way to Montreal to eat poutine or Japanese
> food.

I am American. I also happen to have an open mind and enjoy traveling and
trying food not typically found at home. If you did happen to travel all the
way to Montreal and didn't try poutine that's your choice, and probably your
loss as well.

> I'm scoffing.... while trying to hold back the gag reflex.

Have you even tried it, or are you just prejudiced against it based on looks
and your snooty overinflated sense of self?

>>Also, apparently your
>>horizons are quite limited if you think that French-Canadian sounds
>>exotic.
>
> It ain't pedestrian (or understandable) English, honey buns....
> therefore it's "exotic".

Thank you for proving my point - your horizons are quite limited if
everything that isn't English is exotic to you.

>>Poutine simply means "a mess."
>>
> That's exactly what it looks like, a regurgitated mess. We'd have
> another word for it in English and it's much easier to spell.

I suppose you eat nothing that is messy or soupy. Maybe your meals mainly
consist of tins of tuna and egg-a-muffins washed down with a fifth of
Smirnoff?

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:49:30 -0400, "Davlo" > wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>
>>>Poutine simply means "a mess."
>>>
>> That's exactly what it looks like, a regurgitated mess. We'd have
>> another word for it in English and it's much easier to spell.
>
>I suppose you eat nothing that is messy or soupy. Maybe your meals mainly
>consist of tins of tuna and egg-a-muffins washed down with a fifth of
>Smirnoff?
>

things can get pretty messy with a fifth of smirnoff.

your pal,
blake