The Truthful Assh0le wrote:
> On Aug 15, 11:50 am, flitterbit > wrote:
>> Peter A wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> Indeed it does; I've happily used both without any problems whatsoever
>>>> and have never felt the need to mess with Forte Agent or any of the
>>>> other stand-alones. Rather, I was just trying to pre-empt the "get a
>>>> real newsreader" chorus that usually pops up in other groups at the
>>>> mention of Outlook Express in particular ; )
>>> Right on! A few months ago I decided to get a "real" newsreader so got
>>> MicroPlanet Gravity, billed as "the world's most powerful newsreader."
>>> What a mistake! The program is indeed powerful, it has more commands
>>> that anyone can count, but it is so poorly designed that it is a real
>>> headache. Commands on totally unrelated menus? Yep. Taking 5 clicks to
>>> do what 1 click should accomplish? Yep. Disconnecting from the server
>>> every 15 seconds? Yep.
>>> Stay away!
>> I'm starting to think that mastering Gravity is one of those things that
>> certain segments of the tech population use as some kind of designator
>> of "in crowd" status so that they can then look down their noses at we
>> mere mortals who opt for something more user-friendly As far as I'm
>> concerned, whatever gets the job done with the least aggravation is
>> what'll be worth my time
>
> Considering that you're posting from the future, Gravity should be
> easy.
>
> --Bryan
>
???? Excuse me? I just checked my system clock and it's accurate.

flitterbit wrote:
> The Truthful Assh0le wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 11:50 am, flitterbit > wrote:
>>> Peter A wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>>
>>>> says...
>>>>> Indeed it does; I've happily used both without any problems whatsoever
>>>>> and have never felt the need to mess with Forte Agent or any of the
>>>>> other stand-alones. Rather, I was just trying to pre-empt the "get a
>>>>> real newsreader" chorus that usually pops up in other groups at the
>>>>> mention of Outlook Express in particular ; )
>>>> Right on! A few months ago I decided to get a "real" newsreader so got
>>>> MicroPlanet Gravity, billed as "the world's most powerful newsreader."
>>>> What a mistake! The program is indeed powerful, it has more commands
>>>> that anyone can count, but it is so poorly designed that it is a real
>>>> headache. Commands on totally unrelated menus? Yep. Taking 5 clicks to
>>>> do what 1 click should accomplish? Yep. Disconnecting from the server
>>>> every 15 seconds? Yep.
>>>> Stay away!
>>> I'm starting to think that mastering Gravity is one of those things that
>>> certain segments of the tech population use as some kind of designator
>>> of "in crowd" status so that they can then look down their noses at we
>>> mere mortals who opt for something more user-friendly As far as I'm
>>> concerned, whatever gets the job done with the least aggravation is
>>> what'll be worth my time
>>
>> Considering that you're posting from the future, Gravity should be
>> easy.
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
> ???? Excuse me? I just checked my system clock and it's accurate.
>
Replying to myself:

Strange, the time stamp on my last post is early by an hour; not sure
what's up.

Default User wrote:
> flitterbit wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:44:00 -0500, flitterbit >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aaah. Currently I use Thunderbird; I used to use Outlook
>>>> Express. I realize by some standards they aren't considered to
>>>> be "real" newsreaders, but they do the trick and are simple to
>>>> use.
>>> Flitterbit... they are "real" news readers, but they are not "stand
>>> alone" news readers. Does that make any sense to you?
>>>
>>>
>> Indeed it does; I've happily used both without any problems
>> whatsoever and have never felt the need to mess with Forte Agent or
>> any of the other stand-alones. Rather, I was just trying to pre-empt
>> the "get a real newsreader" chorus that usually pops up in other
>> groups at the mention of Outlook Express in particular ; )
>
> Those work well enough for basic news access. However, neither has very
> robust filtering capability. I wanted to be able to handle the
> cross-posting trolls. That's what finally drove me to search out a more
> powerful newsreader. For Windows, Xnews is far and away the best at
> filtering, but I didn't like the user interface. I'd become accustomed
> to the multi-pane look I'd had with the old Netscape reader. I settled
> on XanaNews as a compromise in looks and features.
>
>
>
>
> Brian
>
I definitely concur on the filtering issue, so I've just trained myself
to ignore the stuff I don't want to be bothered with, or to mark the
thread as read

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

> Why would a browser NOT have e mail and news? I found several that
> didn't have news, and at least one that used "Eudora" for e mail, im not
> that fond of the Safari browser that came with my Mac, it don't have a
> window for news groups, and its mail program seems needlessly complex.

If you like Netscape, then you will enjoy Seamonkey. It has a browser,
mail and news.

Becca

On 15 Aug 2007 16:34:59 GMT, "Default User" >
wrote:

> For Windows, Xnews is far and away the best at
>filtering, but I didn't like the user interface. I'd become accustomed
>to the multi-pane look I'd had with the old Netscape reader. I settled
>on XanaNews as a compromise in looks and features.

How can you stand multipane? It's too busy visually, so I configured
my news reader to show only one pane at a time. Switching between
tree view and the message pane within a newsgroup is automatic and
when I want to change ngs, it's just a matter of selecting a tab.


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:50:14 -0500, Rik Brown
> wrote:

>
>merryb;1334121 Wrote:
>> Ok, I need help! I've been reading all the complaints about Google, so
>> can someone kindly point me to a different source so I can participate
>> without Google? Excuse my ignorance, but using a computer is still
>> pretty new to me, and this is all I know!! I'm still trying to learn,
>> and most of you are very helpful. Someone had posted about a free
>> server the other day, but I can't remember where it was!! If someone
>> can help me out a little, then I can get away from your beloved
>> Google Thanks!!
>
>I use TRAVEL.com which is free and has built in spam filters. I love
>it!

That was a sneaky thing to do - you won't be getting my business.


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sf wrote:

> On 15 Aug 2007 16:34:59 GMT, "Default User" >
> wrote:
>
> > For Windows, Xnews is far and away the best at
> > filtering, but I didn't like the user interface. I'd become
> > accustomed to the multi-pane look I'd had with the old Netscape
> > reader. I settled on XanaNews as a compromise in looks and features.
>
> How can you stand multipane?

I only look at one pane at a time. Then I shift my gaze ever so
slightly when I need to look at the message tree or group tree.



Brian

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If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

flitterbit wrote:


> Strange, the time stamp on my last post is early by an hour; not sure
> what's up.

They look ok to me.



Brian

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If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Default User wrote:
> flitterbit wrote:
>
>
>> Strange, the time stamp on my last post is early by an hour; not sure
>> what's up.
>
> They look ok to me.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
Thanks

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On 15 Aug 2007 16:34:59 GMT, Default User wrote:
>
> > For Windows, Xnews is far and away the best at
> > filtering, but I didn't like the user interface.
>
> It's tied for the best at actual filtering

If I recall, slrn has essentially the same filtering system. You may be
referring to something else.

> but there are other
> newsreaders that allow you to do more actions on the filtered
> posts.

I never really want to do anything but wish them into the cornfield.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
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Steve Wertz wrote:

> On 16 Aug 2007 17:02:21 GMT, Default User wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> >> but there are other
> >> newsreaders that allow you to do more actions on the filtered
> >> posts.
> >
> > I never really want to do anything but wish them into the cornfield.
>
> In my case, my filter rules chow my posts, and any follupts to my
> post in a different color in the header pane. So If I', just
> trying to catch up on a thread, I can immediately see if I need
> to read any responses to my posts, and to hell with everyone
> elses :-)

Yeah, my newsreader does that but not through the filtering system.
It's in the Options under Colours and Fonts.

> I can also set different flags (keep, watch, ignore, etc..) based
> on who the poster is or anything else int he headers.

I don't bother with that. I never want to keep anything.

> IOW, I use my score file/filters for things other than just
> discarding posts/users.

I'm pretty binary in that regard. It either stays or goes. Dumbasses
get killfiled because they waste my time. When pressed for time, I use
on-the-fly heuristics like, "this thread's dumb, skip the rest".



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
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Steve Wertz wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:13:52 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>
>>Why would a browser NOT have e mail and news?
>
>
> Many people want separate programs for each task.
>
>
>>The thing about Opera is it looks newer and fresher, i really don't see
>>how it can be better than what i have got. Look better but ... that is
>>of course why i ask...the Netscape never gave me any problems, and is
>>easy to configure, i guess im going to have to see if a closer look at
>>the opera browser is available.
>
>
> Why not just try Seamonkey? It'll be the most like your current
> Netscape Navigator, and it's free. It inclused borwser, new,
> email (chat (kinda), RSS, and a few other things not normally
> used).
>
> -sw

I tried to download opera and while it down loaded fine when i tried to
open it would quit and i would get an error message that "opera quit
upon opening".

I guess ill stick to Netscape, its not broke, why try to fix it, but i
did like the look of Opera.
--
JL

Default User wrote:

>
>
> I'm pretty binary in that regard. It either stays or goes. Dumbasses
> get killfiled because they waste my time. When pressed for time, I use
> on-the-fly heuristics like, "this thread's dumb, skip the rest".
>
>
>
> Brian
>

I just found out i can delete and ignore whole threads with one key
stroke, makes things a lot simpler.
--
JL

Steve Wertz wrote:

> Whatever you do DON'T TRY SEAMONKEY!!! The tabbed browsing
> feature alone is reason enough to hate it.
>
> -sw

Ack! I use Seamonkey and I do not have tabbed browsing. Now I wonder
what I am doing wrong. Sonsabitches...

Becca

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:34:18 -0500, Becca wrote:
>
>> Ack! I use Seamonkey and I do not have tabbed browsing. Now I wonder
>> what I am doing wrong. Sonsabitches...
>
> You have tabbed browsing.
>
> Edit -> Preferences -> Navigator -> Tabbed Browsing:
>
> Check:
> Switch to new tabs opened from links.
> When Opening Bookmarks: Add New Tabs
> A new Tab in the Current Window (twice)
>
> Uncheck:
> Hide the tab bar when only one tab is open
>
> This shows my Seamonkey with 5 tabs (brower sessions) in one
> window:
>
> http://i15.tinypic.com/4mwucdu.jpg
>
> To create new tabs pree the little buttom to the left of the
> first tab (Google, in that screenshot).
>
> Note that I'm using the "Orbit 3+1" Theme which makes my SM look
> different than it usually does out of the box.
>
> -sw

Thanks, I appreciate your help!

Becca

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:31:21 GMT, Steve Wertz
> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:34:18 -0500, Becca wrote:
>
>> Ack! I use Seamonkey and I do not have tabbed browsing. Now I wonder
>> what I am doing wrong. Sonsabitches...
>
>You have tabbed browsing.
<snip>
>
>This shows my Seamonkey with 5 tabs (brower sessions) in one
>window:
>
>http://i15.tinypic.com/4mwucdu.jpg
>
>To create new tabs pree the little buttom to the left of the
>first tab (Google, in that screenshot).
>
>Note that I'm using the "Orbit 3+1" Theme which makes my SM look
>different than it usually does out of the box.
>
It looks a lot like FireFox. What are the differences between them?

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:30:11 -0500, Steve Wertz
> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:02:15 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:31:21 GMT, Steve Wertz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:34:18 -0500, Becca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ack! I use Seamonkey and I do not have tabbed browsing. Now I wonder
>>>> what I am doing wrong. Sonsabitches...
>>>
>>>You have tabbed browsing.
>> <snip>
>>>
>>>This shows my Seamonkey with 5 tabs (brower sessions) in one
>>>window: of the box.
>>>
>> It looks a lot like FireFox. What are the differences between them?
>
>Seamonkey includes a mail and news client, most notably. Also a
>chat program and a simple web page composer. You can also add
>RSS feeds to it.
>
>http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
>
Ah, okay... that's why I got FF. It's a just browser.... anything
else is added on.

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In article >,
flitterbit > wrote:



> "munging" is making up an email address, say something like
> , also as a spam trap.

No, that's a fake Email address. Munging is when you change it so that
a real person can figure it out, but the spamming software can't.

In article > ,
Reg > wrote:


> 7.2. It's from 2004, way back when they used to support mail and
> news.

Reminds me of a visit to Kmart. I asked about something on sale. The
employee looked at me like I was crazy, "That's not on sale! It's
*never* been on sale." I explained that I had seen something in a flyer
last week. He exclaimed, "LAST WEEK? Maybe it was on sale back then,
but it's not on sale now." I try to avoid Kmart.

In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:


> of course why i ask...the Netscape never gave me any problems, and is
> easy to configure, i guess im going to have to see if a closer look at
> the opera browser is available.


If it ain't broke, why fix it? Be aware, though, that eventually
something will change (usually a new computer) and the old software
won't work anymore, so you'll have to change. Thus, it's good to know
your options in advance.

I have had bad experiences with all-in-one browsers, probably because I
used a very early one. I use separate software for the web, Email and
news. That works for me, probably because I'm used to it.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>
>
>
>>of course why i ask...the Netscape never gave me any problems, and is
>>easy to configure, i guess im going to have to see if a closer look at
>>the opera browser is available.
>
>
>
> If it ain't broke, why fix it? Be aware, though, that eventually
> something will change (usually a new computer) and the old software
> won't work anymore, so you'll have to change. Thus, it's good to know
> your options in advance.
>
> I have had bad experiences with all-in-one browsers, probably because I
> used a very early one. I use separate software for the web, Email and
> news. That works for me, probably because I'm used to it.

I down loaded the opera browser, twice, and both times the down loaded
file would not open.
--
JL

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:43:19 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>I down loaded the opera browser, twice, and both times the down loaded
>file would not open.

Take that as a sign!


--

Ham and eggs.
A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> flitterbit > wrote:
>
>
>
>> "munging" is making up an email address, say something like
>> , also as a spam trap.
>
> No, that's a fake Email address. Munging is when you change it so that
> a real person can figure it out, but the spamming software can't.
>
>
Aaah; thanks

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:46:08 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>
>
>> of course why i ask...the Netscape never gave me any problems, and is
>> easy to configure, i guess im going to have to see if a closer look at
>> the opera browser is available.
>
>
>If it ain't broke, why fix it? Be aware, though, that eventually
>something will change (usually a new computer) and the old software
>won't work anymore, so you'll have to change. Thus, it's good to know
>your options in advance.
>
>I have had bad experiences with all-in-one browsers, probably because I
>used a very early one. I use separate software for the web, Email and
>news. That works for me, probably because I'm used to it.

as mr. natural says, 'get the right tool for the job!'

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