On 27 Oct 2003 10:07:13 -0800, (Barry Grau) wrote:

>Frogleg > wrote in message >. ..
>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:17:35 GMT, "Vox Humana" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Here is what Judaism 101 says about the subject.
>> >Why Do We Observe the Laws of Kashrut?
>> >Many modern Jews think that the laws of kashrut are simply primitive health
>> >regulations that have become obsolete with modern methods of food
>> >preparation. There is no question that some of the dietary laws have some
>> >beneficial health effects. For example, the laws regarding kosher slaughter
>> >are so sanitary that kosher butchers and slaughterhouses have been exempted
>> >from many USDA regulations.
>> <snip excellent material>
>>
>> >http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
>>
>> Yeah, but... where did this stuff *come* from? Outside the context of
>> God speaking to Moses and Aaron. I believe that the Torah (Old
>
>When did God speak to Aaron? I must have een sleeping in those
>classes.

Leviticus 10:8 'G*d spoke to Aaron, saying'

On 27 Oct 2003 09:57:09 -0800, (Barry Grau) wrote:

(Linda) wrote in message >...
>> It is indeed the egg in mayo that is the problem because it can not be
>> proven that the eggs "mother" was slaughtered in a "kosher" fashion.
>> It's the law!!! If you google for "keeping kosher" all the dietary laws
>> with reasoning behind them can be found..............Linda
>
>Yes, but where can I find the dietary laws without reasoning behind them?

Exodus, Leviticus ...

http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.as...OK=3&CHAPTER=1

>
>By the way, google searches return a lot of bullshit along with the good dope.
>
>-bwg

Arri London > wrote in message >...
> Any rule of halacha may be broken if illness or death will be a direct
> result of keeping the rule.

In fact, today's edition of the leftist Israeli daily newspaper,
Haaretz, cites a report in Yedioth Ahronoth (an Israeli mass
circulation daily which is, I believe, published only in Hebrew) that
"a number of prominent Orthodox rabbis" have set aside "an ancient
Jewish prohibition against raising swine in the Holy Land" to allow
watchpigs to function in security roles in settlements on the West
Bank --

<http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=354748&contrassID=1&subContrass ID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y>

> If there is no food available in a true emergency but that which is not
> kosher, it is ok to eat enough to stay alive.

-bwg

> Nearly *every* foodstuff has the potential to be lethal.

True, but chicken (for example) doesn't seem to go bad as fast as seafood.

> "Setting apart" is a much more reasonable take on kosher/halal.

Your opinion. Mine is that *both* applied.

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> Seventh-day Adventists are supposed to be vegetarians, aren't they?

Not to my understanding, but I'm not a SDA so I could well be wrong.

> what other religions exclude *specific* foods, not classes of?

I don't know of any religions that exclude specific foods -- they ALL
exclude "classes." Kosher excludes shellfish, anything from an animal
with cloven hooves, etc.

> Can good Mormons eat chocolate?

No, it contains caffeine, which is prohibited. But I'd consider
chocolate a class anyway, rather than a specific item -- it comes in
powder form, cooking bars, candy bars, as filling in some items and
coating in others.

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> If there is no food available in a true emergency but that which is
not kosher, it is ok to eat enough to stay alive.

That is consistent with other rules that I've researched.
(multicultural studies class for a nursing degree)

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:32:45 GMT, Sylvia > wrote:

> > Seventh-day Adventists are supposed to be vegetarians, aren't they?
>
> Not to my understanding, but I'm not a SDA so I could well be wrong.

The SDA's have always encouraged, but not mandated, a vegetarian (preferably
vegan) diet. The basis for this philosophy is the book "On Diet and Foods" by
Ellen G. White. Loma Linda University is an SDA institution with an excellent
nutrition department.

As a nurse studying for a DT-R (Dietetic Technician-Registered), I took a
cooking course at the local SDA church and was very impressed. I'd been
vegetarian since 1969 and thought I was pretty knowledgeable of veg cooking, but
was pleasantly surprised to learn how many of the standard comfort foods, on
which most North Americans have grown up, could be made vegetarian or vegan.

See:
http://www.vegetarian-diet.info/heal...arian-diet.htm

In article >, Sylvia
> wrote:

> > Seventh-day Adventists are supposed to be vegetarians, aren't they?
>
> Not to my understanding, but I'm not a SDA so I could well be wrong.

It is the goal of SDA, and recommended by the church. I believe the
reasoning is that Man did not eat meat in the garden of eden, in fact
not until after the flood and so after Christ, we shouldn't eat meat
anymore, as Christ restored us.

> > Can good Mormons eat chocolate?
>
> No, it contains caffeine, which is prohibited. But I'd consider
> chocolate a class anyway, rather than a specific item -- it comes in
> powder form, cooking bars, candy bars, as filling in some items and
> coating in others.

My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.
I've never met a Mormon who didn't eat chocolate on religious grounds,
though I have met some who wouldn't drink colas.

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Sylvia wrote:
> > If there is no food available in a true emergency but that which is
> not kosher, it is ok to eat enough to stay alive.
>
> That is consistent with other rules that I've researched. (multicultural
> studies class for a nursing degree)
>

It's also consistant with the story of Elijah in 1 Kings 17:4-6. (Raven
were unclean birds.)

Best regards,
Bob

Sylvia wrote:
>
> > If there is no food available in a true emergency but that which is
> not kosher, it is ok to eat enough to stay alive.
>
> That is consistent with other rules that I've researched.
> (multicultural studies class for a nursing degree)
>
> --
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It's similar in Islam. The Ramadan fast (which is occurring now) can be
dispensed with by the elderly, the sick, the pregnant and travellers
(who might not be able to eat during the permitted hours) etc.

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
> It's similar in Islam. The Ramadan fast (which is occurring now) can be
> dispensed with by the elderly, the sick, the pregnant and travellers
> (who might not be able to eat during the permitted hours) etc.

And women who are menstruating...except they are supposed to make it up at
their first opportunity. I would imagine it's the same with people who are
sick (with non-terminal illnesses), pregnant, and travellers but that's just
my guess.

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Sylvia > wrote in message >...
> > Seventh-day Adventists are supposed to be vegetarians, aren't they?
>
> Not to my understanding, but I'm not a SDA so I could well be wrong.
>
> > what other religions exclude *specific* foods, not classes of?
>
> I don't know of any religions that exclude specific foods -- they ALL
> exclude "classes." Kosher excludes shellfish, anything from an animal
> with cloven hooves, etc.

You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
in order to be kosher.

-bwg

Barry Grau wrote:

> You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
> in order to be kosher.


No, they must have both or neither.




Brian Rodenborn

Default User wrote:
>
> Barry Grau wrote:
>
> > You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
> > in order to be kosher.
>
> No, they must have both or neither.


To be more clear, what Barry wrote applies to mammals.



Brian Rodenborn

Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
>
> "Arri London" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > It's similar in Islam. The Ramadan fast (which is occurring now) can be
> > dispensed with by the elderly, the sick, the pregnant and travellers
> > (who might not be able to eat during the permitted hours) etc.
>
> And women who are menstruating...except they are supposed to make it up at
> their first opportunity. I would imagine it's the same with people who are
> sick (with non-terminal illnesses), pregnant, and travellers but that's just
> my guess.
>
> rona
>

Yes that is the case. However, the first opportunity might not come
until the next Ramadan. It's not required to make up the fast out of
season if that is the next opportunity.

"Sylvia" > wrote in message
...
>
> Sure. Mormons aren't allowed caffeine. Seventh-day Adventists keep
> kosher more-or-less. Muslims aren't allowed pork or alcohol. IIRC,
> Buddhists are vegetarians because they're not allowed to kill. And
> those are just the few that popped into my mind.
>

Also, Jains are vegetarians (vegans?) and even certain vegetables are not
allowed in their diet. They are not supposed to eat at night, either.

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> My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.

Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.

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> You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
> in order to be kosher.

> No, they must have both or neither.

Oh sheesh, I'm too tired to read through Leviticus to check on this
right now ... shouldn't read newsgroups at this hour.

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I can't find the other poster's name, having come onto this late. Sorry.

>> My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
>specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.
>
>Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
>too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
>again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.
>
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coffee, tea, or coke, but I've seen him have a Dr. Pepper's, which I think
contains caffeine. As far as I know, they have no proscriptions for chocolate.



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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:48:37 GMT, april-g >
spake:

|Sylvia wrote:
|
|> > You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
|> > in order to be kosher.
|>
|> > No, they must have both or neither.
|>
|> Oh sheesh, I'm too tired to read through Leviticus to check on this
|> right now ... shouldn't read newsgroups at this hour.
|
|OK -- mammals: Cloven of hoof and chew their cud
|
|seafood: have fins and scales (though I've never seen a fish with scales that
|didn't have fins)
|
|insects: certain types of locusts are kosher. However, the classifications
|have been lost over the years, so people no longer eat them.
|
|birds: my understanding on this is a bit fuzzy. My grandmother told me they
|must be domesticated so that you know what they've eaten and how they've been
|raised.

Only those mentioned as kosher. Turkey, tho, was somehow added
to the list, altho there are some who won't eat it because it's
not mentioned in Leviticus.

|In addition to all this, mammals and birds must also have been slaughtered by
|a certified "shochet" who is aware of the way it must be done in order to
|keep the animal kosher.
|
|If anyone wants any detailed information: http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
|
|April G.

maxine in ri

Sylvia wrote:

> > You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
> > in order to be kosher.
>
> > No, they must have both or neither.
>
> Oh sheesh, I'm too tired to read through Leviticus to check on this
> right now ... shouldn't read newsgroups at this hour.

OK -- mammals: Cloven of hoof and chew their cud

seafood: have fins and scales (though I've never seen a fish with scales that
didn't have fins)

insects: certain types of locusts are kosher. However, the classifications
have been lost over the years, so people no longer eat them.

birds: my understanding on this is a bit fuzzy. My grandmother told me they
must be domesticated so that you know what they've eaten and how they've been
raised.

In addition to all this, mammals and birds must also have been slaughtered by
a certified "shochet" who is aware of the way it must be done in order to
keep the animal kosher.

If anyone wants any detailed information: http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

April G.

Here is the pertinent text. Large animals are defined by attribute -
cloven hoof and cud regurgitating are OK, the rest are not. Fish by
attribute - scaled and finned are OK, the rest are not. Birds by
exclusion - a specific list is unclean, by implication the rest are OK.
Insects are excluded by attribute with specific exemptions. 11:29 and
11:41 basically forbid just about any small animal.

11:3 Among mammals, you may eat [any one] that has true hooves that
are cloven and that brings up its cud. However, among the
cud-chewing, hoofed animals, these are the ones that you may
not eat:
The camel shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud,
since it does not have a true hoof.
11:5 The hyrax shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud,
since it does not have a true hoof.
11:6 The hare shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud,
since it does not have a true hoof.
11:7 The pig shall be unclean to you although it has a true hoof which
is cloven, since it does not chew its cud.
11:8 Do not eat the flesh of any of these animals. [At this time] do
not touch their carcasses, since they are unclean to you.

11:9 This is what you may eat of all that is in the water:
You may eat any creature that lives in the water, whether in
seas or rivers, as long as it has fins and scales.
11:10 All creatures in seas and rivers that do not have fins and scales,
whether they are small aquatic animals or other aquatic creatures,
must be avoided by you. They will [always] be something to be
shunned. You must avoid them by not eating their flesh. Every
aquatic creature without fins and scales must be shunned by you.

11:13 These are the flying animals that you must avoid. Since they are
to be avoided, do not eat any [of the following]:
The eagle, the ossifrage, the osprey, the kite, the vulture
family, the entire raven family, the ostrich, the owl, the gull,
the hawk family, the falcon, the cormorant, the ibis, the swan,
the pelican, the magpie, the stork, the heron family, the hoopoe,
and the bat.

11:20 Every flying insect that uses four legs for walking shall be
avoided by you.
11:21 The only flying insects with four walking legs that you may eat
are those which have knees extending above their feet, [using
these longer legs] to hop on the ground.
11:22 Among these, you may [only] eat members of the red locust family,
the yellow locust family, the spotted grey locust family, and the
white locust family.
11:23 All other flying insects with four feet [for walking] must be
avoided by you.

11:24 There are [also] animals that will defile you so that anyone
touching their carcasses will be unclean until evening.
11:25 Furthermore, anyone lifting their carcasses will have to immerse
[even] his clothing, and then remain unclean until evening.
11:26 Thus, every animal that has true hooves, but is not cloven-hoofed
and does not bring up its cud, is unclean to you, and anyone
touching [its flesh] shall become unclean. [Similarly], every
animal that walks on its paws among four-footed animals shall be
unclean to you, and anyone touching its carcass shall be unclean
until evening. [Furthermore], one who lifts its carcass must
immerse [even] his clothing and then remain unclean until evening.
They are unclean to you [in this respect].

11:29 These are the smaller animals that breed on land which are unclean
to you: the weasel, the mouse, the ferret, the hedgehog, the
chameleon, the lizard, the snail, and the mole. These are the
small animals that are unclean to you; whoever touches them when
they are dead shall remain unclean until evening.

11:32 If any of these dead animals falls on anything, such as wooden
vessels, clothing, leather goods, sacks, or any other article with
which work is done, then [that article] must be immersed in a
mikvah, and remain unclean until evening, whereupon it becomes
clean. If any of [these dead animals] falls on the inside of a
clay vessel, then anything inside it becomes unclean, and [the
vessel itself] shall be broken. Thus, any usual food that has
[once] been wet with water shall become unclean. Any usual
beverage in a vessel [likewise] becomes unclean. Thus, anything
upon which their dead bodies fall shall be unclean. In such a
case, even an oven or range is unclean, and must be broken down,
since it otherwise remains unclean to you.

11:36 The only thing that shall [always] remain ritually clean is a
mikvah of water, whether it is a [man-made] pit or a [natural]
spring. Any other [water] that comes in contact with the dead
bodies [of these animals] shall become unclean. If their dead
bodies fall on any edible seeds that are planted, [the seeds]
remain ritually clean. However, if water has [once] been placed
on [such unplanted] seeds, and then the dead body of [any of
these animals] falls on them, the [seeds] shall be unclean to you.
11:39 If any animal that you may eat dies, anyone touching its carcass
shall be unclean until evening. Anyone eating something from such
a carcass must immerse [even] his clothing, and then remain
unclean until evening. Similarly, one who lifts such a carcass
shall immerse [even] his clothing and then remain unclean until
evening.

11:41 Every small animal that breeds on land shall be avoided by you
and shall not be eaten. Thus, you may not eat any creature that
crawls on its belly, or any small animal with four or more feet
that breeds on land. They are [all] things that must be avoided.
11:43 Do not make yourselves disgusting [by eating] any small creature
that breeds. Do not defile yourselves with them, because it will
make you spiritually insensitive.

11:44 For I am God your Lord, and since I am holy, you must [also] make
yourselves holy and remain sanctified. Therefore, do not defile
your souls [by eating] any small animal that lives on the land.
11:45 I am God, and I brought you out of Egypt to be your God.
Therefore, since I am holy, you must [also] remain holy.
11:46 This then is the law concerning mammals, birds, aquatic creatures
and lower forms of terrestrial animals.
11:47 [With this law, you will be able] to distinguish between the
unclean and the clean, between edible animals and animals which
may not be eaten.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:04:28 GMT, Sylvia
> spake:

|What's a hyrax?

It's a furry creature that hangs out in high places (no pun
intended). They have a couple at the zoo in Providence,
but they don't give much information about them, not even where
they come from.

maxine in ri

Maxine in RI > writes:

>Only those mentioned as kosher. Turkey, tho, was somehow added
>to the list, altho there are some who won't eat it because it's
>not mentioned in Leviticus.

Turkey is definitely considered kosher, and is the most often eaten meat in
Israel... Israel maintains turkey ranches tantamount to US cattle ranches...
not that Israel is any specail criteria, kosher turkey is prevalent world wide.
Btw, all foods were added to "the list"... all subjectively as there is no
logical reason for kosher, none whatsoever... just as there is no logical
reason for religion, none whatsoever, except as a system developed for herding
the brainless.


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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:27:27 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> wrote:

>
>"Sylvia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Sure. Mormons aren't allowed caffeine. Seventh-day Adventists keep
>> kosher more-or-less. Muslims aren't allowed pork or alcohol. IIRC,
>> Buddhists are vegetarians because they're not allowed to kill. And
>> those are just the few that popped into my mind.
>>
>
>Also, Jains are vegetarians (vegans?) and even certain vegetables are not
>allowed in their diet. They are not supposed to eat at night, either.

Jainism is a religion whose core is 'do no harm'. The killing a
animals, any animal, is prohibited. Eggs contain life. Roots and
tubers are forbidden since the plant must be killed to harvest them.
Milk is not prhibited.

Fallen fruit is OK. Grains harvested at the end of a plant's life are
OK (when the plant or pods are dry). Legumes are OK, as they can be
harvested without killing the plant. Although some strict Jains won't
eat certain lentils, as they consider them to still have life.

The restriction against eating at night stems from the inability to see
at night and the possiblity of killing an animals/insect in the fire
inadvertantly.

Also, all food must be fresh, so it must be consumed the day it is
prepared. No leftovers or preserves or pickles, etc.

Sylvia wrote:
>
> > My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
> specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.
>
> Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
> too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
> again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.
>
> --
> Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995

I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
(Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
it is personal preference.
We have no prohibitions against chocolate.

I personally do not drink soft drinks at all, after learning
what they do to muscles & bones over time. I'd rather keep
mine healthy.

Minteeleaf

"Minteeleaf" > wrote in message
...
> Sylvia wrote:
> >
> > > My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
> > specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.
> >
> > Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
> > too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
> > again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.
> >
> > --
> > Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995
>
> I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> (Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
> We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
> it is personal preference.
> We have no prohibitions against chocolate.
>
>
> Minteeleaf

What is the rational for not drinking coffee and tea?


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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:30:44 GMT, Minteeleaf
> wrote:

>I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
>(Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
>We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
>it is personal preference.
>We have no prohibitions against chocolate.

So what's the deal with coffee and tea? Alcohol prohibition is
relatively common, and I can understand an edict against caffeine, but
excluding coffee and tea seems like including all veg except carrots
and parsnips. Don't mean to be snippy -- just curious.

Frogleg wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:30:44 GMT, Minteeleaf
> > wrote:
>
> >I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> >(Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
> >We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
> >it is personal preference.
> >We have no prohibitions against chocolate.
>
> So what's the deal with coffee and tea? Alcohol prohibition is
> relatively common, and I can understand an edict against caffeine, but
> excluding coffee and tea seems like including all veg except carrots
> and parsnips. Don't mean to be snippy -- just curious.


Coffee & tea contain some pretty unhealthy compounds that
can build up in the body over a period of time.
I'm not a chemist, so I'll let you do your own digging
after what they are. I read all of it long ago & don't
remember it clearly enough to give a detailed answer
regarding all the chemicals.

I have seen my own mother-in-law
so addicted to coffee that she would be nearly having fits
when she couldn't get it fast enough. I realize most of
the world drinks either coffee or tea. I don't, never have,
am 50 years old, & don't miss it at all, never have.
There are lots of other caffeine-free beverages to enjoy.

Minteeleaf

Minteeleaf > wrote:
> Sylvia wrote:
>>
>> > My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
>> specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.
>>
>> Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
>> too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
>> again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.
>>
>> --
>> Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995

> I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> (Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
> We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
> it is personal preference.
> We have no prohibitions against chocolate.

> I personally do not drink soft drinks at all, after learning
> what they do to muscles & bones over time. I'd rather keep
> mine healthy.

Please excuse this question, but when I am in Provo this coming
week, will I have any problems fullfilling my Diet Pepsi addiciton?

I have heard from several mormons that it applies to all 'stimulants', as in
zero caffeine, period.

But I don't know from personal experience.

John

>>
>> I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
>> (Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
>> We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
>> it is personal preference.
>> We have no prohibitions against chocolate.
>>
>>
>> Minteeleaf
>
>What is the rational for not drinking coffee and tea?
>
>
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On 4 Dec 2003 01:40:01 GMT, wrote:

>Please excuse this question, but when I am in Provo this coming
>week, will I have any problems fullfilling my Diet Pepsi addiciton?

Utah is not a LDS reservation. :-) There are even *bars* in Utah.

BTW, my family spent one night in Provo years (and years and years
and...) ago, and it was a lovely town. Very 'typically American',
front-porch swing, tree-shaded yard sort of place.

wrote:
> >Minteeleaf wrote:
> > I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> > (Mormon). Specifically, we do not drink coffee, tea, alcohol.
> > We can drink caffeinated soft drinks, but most of us try not to,
> > it is personal preference.
> > We have no prohibitions against chocolate.
>
> > I personally do not drink soft drinks at all, after learning
> > what they do to muscles & bones over time. I'd rather keep
> > mine healthy.
>
> Please excuse this question, but when I am in Provo this coming
> week, will I have any problems fullfilling my Diet Pepsi addiciton?


I'm sure you'll have lots of Diet Pepsi at your disposal.

Minteeleaf

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:16:17 GMT, Frogleg > wrote:

>On 4 Dec 2003 01:40:01 GMT, wrote:
>
>>Please excuse this question, but when I am in Provo this coming
>>week, will I have any problems fullfilling my Diet Pepsi addiciton?
>
>Utah is not a LDS reservation. :-) There are even *bars* in Utah.

but are there *topless* bars?

your pal,
blake

"dogsnus" > wrote in message
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> wrote in :
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> >
> > Please excuse this question, but when I am in Provo this coming
> > week, will I have any problems fullfilling my Diet Pepsi addiciton?
> >
>
> None whatsoever.
>
> Utah is not a separate country and many live there who are
> not LDS members.
> I've spent the past 20 years living and working with many
> Mormons and they're not out to convert you nor push their
> beliefs upon you.

Why do they(the LDS Church) contribute money to causes like the passage of
Prop. 22 in California if they don't want to push their beliefs on others?

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
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> "dogsnus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > wrote in :
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > Please excuse this question, but when I am in Provo this coming
> > > week, will I have any problems fullfilling my Diet Pepsi addiciton?
> > >
> >
> > None whatsoever.
> >
> > Utah is not a separate country and many live there who are
> > not LDS members.
> > I've spent the past 20 years living and working with many
> > Mormons and they're not out to convert you nor push their
> > beliefs upon you.
>
> Why do they(the LDS Church) contribute money to causes like the passage of
> Prop. 22 in California if they don't want to push their beliefs on others?
>
>

The notion that Mormons are not out to convert others is pure hogwash.
Individuals may not be, but as a religious group they have an extremely
active missionary program that works around the world to bring others into
the fold. And how many times has your dinner been interrupted by earnest
young Mormons at your door trying to spread the word? I believe that after
high school young Mormons are expected to devote a year or two to ministry
work. Of all religions they are one of, if not the, most active in trying to
convert others.


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Peter Aitken

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