I went to this gourmet shop today, had some family stuff going on so
I decided to get us all lunch. This place has terrific sandwiches
on their own bread, so delicious!

I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
them sound.

So, I went to pay for them and the guy behind the counter says, is
this to go? I laughed! and said, do I look *really* hungry?? I
even had cole slaw and potato salad, maybe a pint each. The cashier
started laughing, yeah, I thought you'd be hanging out here with
us for a while. Cracked me up.

I got it back to the house, finally convinced the caregiver to sit
with us for lunch, she and I split the sloppy joe (and neither one
of us could finish half, no way). She asked what kind of sandwich
it was and I told her what was on it, oh, and it has Russian dressing
on it. She didn't say anything, just nodded, then I laughed ... the
woman is FROM Russia. I said, uh, you don't eat Russian dressing
in Russia, do you?, she laughed.

nancy

in article , Nancy Young at
wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:

> I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
> sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
> them sound.

Nancy, this begs the question:
what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?

I'm reaching into my memory bank and cannot come up with anything close.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:22 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
> wrote:

>in article , Nancy Young at
>wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:
>
>> I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
>> sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
>> them sound.
>
>Nancy, this begs the question:
>what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?

Russian dressing is made with mayo, which would make the sandwich very
un-kosher.

-sw

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:22 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
> > wrote:
>
> >in article , Nancy Young at
> >wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:
> >
> >> I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
> >> sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
> >> them sound.
> >
> >Nancy, this begs the question:
> >what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?
>
> Russian dressing is made with mayo, which would make the sandwich very
> un-kosher.
>
> -sw

How so?

nancy

Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> in article , Nancy Young at
> wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:
>
> > I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
> > sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
> > them sound.
>
> Nancy, this begs the question:
> what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?
>
> I'm reaching into my memory bank and cannot come up with anything close.

Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
sandwich.

The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
mode of the sloppy joe, though.

nancy

Nancy Young > wrote:
> > Nancy, this begs the question:
> > what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?

> Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
> recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
> thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
> the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
> definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
> sandwich.

You seem to be describing what I would call a Dagwood, not
anything close to a sloppy Joe.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

wrote:
>
> Nancy Young > wrote:
> > > Nancy, this begs the question:
> > > what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?
>
> > Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
> > recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
> > thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
> > the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
> > definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
> > sandwich.
>
> You seem to be describing what I would call a Dagwood, not
> anything close to a sloppy Joe.

Can't help you with the Dagwood, but that is indeed a Jewish sloppy
joe. You're probably thinking of that Manwich type sloppy joe. No
resemblence. As a matter of fact, the sandwich I ordered, the
No. 6, was called Cranbury's Sloppy Joe. Cranbury's being named
after the deli, I assume conceding it's not a real Jewish sloppy joe.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>How so?

this is a wild guess on my part, ... but all of my low-fat mayonnaises
have yoghurt in them, and I remember something about not stewing a
lamb in it's mother's milk, so maybe you're not allowed to use such a
maynnaise in a meat sandwich.

--
Lucian

Lucian Wischik wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
> >How so?
>
> this is a wild guess on my part, ... but all of my low-fat mayonnaises
> have yoghurt in them, and I remember something about not stewing a
> lamb in it's mother's milk, so maybe you're not allowed to use such a
> maynnaise in a meat sandwich.

It was just Russian Dressing. Nothing to do with low fat.

nancy

maxine in ri wrote:

> Mayo wouldn't make it unkosher. It's eggs and oil--no dairy stuff
> in it.

I confess, I order mayo on pastrami in kosher delis. I'll wait a
minute until you get over that thought. (laugh)

My question is, do you know what I mean by Jewish sloppy joe, or at
any rate before I described it? Just curious.

nancy

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 02:58:22 GMT, Sheryl Rosen
> > wrote:
>
> >in article , Nancy Young at
> >wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:
> >
> >> I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
> >> sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
> >> them sound.
> >
> >Nancy, this begs the question:
> >what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?
>
> Russian dressing is made with mayo, which would make the sandwich very
> un-kosher.
>
> -sw

Mayo wouldn't make it unkosher. It's eggs and oil--no dairy stuff
in it.

maxine in ri

"Lucian Wischik" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
> >How so?
>
> this is a wild guess on my part, ... but all of my low-fat mayonnaises
> have yoghurt in them, and I remember something about not stewing a
> lamb in it's mother's milk, so maybe you're not allowed to use such a
> maynnaise in a meat sandwich.
>
> --
> Lucian

You are correct in that dairy and meat are never mixed but the light mayo I
buy (Hellman's) doesn't have yogurt listed in the ingredients.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> maxine in ri wrote:
>
> > Mayo wouldn't make it unkosher. It's eggs and oil--no dairy stuff
> > in it.
>
> I confess, I order mayo on pastrami in kosher delis. I'll wait a
> minute until you get over that thought. (laugh)
>
> My question is, do you know what I mean by Jewish sloppy joe, or at
> any rate before I described it? Just curious.
>
> nancy

I like ham and cheese bagels. Don't tell my Jewish relatives who procure
for me the best bagels in the world for me at their Jewish deli.

Julianne wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message

> > I confess, I order mayo on pastrami in kosher delis. I'll wait a
> > minute until you get over that thought.

> I like ham and cheese bagels. Don't tell my Jewish relatives who procure
> for me the best bagels in the world for me at their Jewish deli.

Too funny! I promise, even though they are coming over for dinner
tonight, I will keep your secret under wraps.

nancy (like, what's wrong with butter or cream cheese???!)

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Steve Wertz wrote:

> > Russian dressing is made with mayo, which would make the sandwich very
> > un-kosher.

> How so?
>
> nancy

I didn't get your answer, I was curious why you said that.

nancy

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:02:35 -0400, Nancy Young >
> wrote:
>
> >Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> >> Russian dressing is made with mayo, which would make the sandwich very
> >> un-kosher.
>
> >How so?
>
> I have no idea. I was thinking mayo was dairy. I *do* know better
> than that; just a temporary brain fart. Heck - I make my own mayo all
> the time... duh.
>
> Nevermind.

(laughing) I was kidding you, I once had a horror that I ordered
mayo on a sandwich in a kosher deli, did I violate some dietary
law without realizing it? and someone said, no, mayonnaise is not
dairy.

nancy the evil person

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:23:24 -0400, Nancy Young >
> wrote:
>
> >I didn't get your answer, I was curious why you said that.
>
> I often forget to check back up on the threads I've posted to, so
> don't panic.
>
> This is one of those threads where I happened to check back, saw my
> name and all the followups, and said to myself "Uh-oh. What did I say
> *now*" :-)

I was just busting your chops, I do the same thing.

nancy

Nancy Young > wrote in message >...
> Sheryl Rosen wrote:
> >
> > in article , Nancy Young at
> > wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:
> >
> > > I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
> > > sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
> > > them sound.
> >
> > Nancy, this begs the question:
> > what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?
> >
> > I'm reaching into my memory bank and cannot come up with anything close.
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
> recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
> thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
> the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
> definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
> sandwich.
>
> The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
> thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
> type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
> mode of the sloppy joe, though.
>
> nancy


Never heard of that being called a sloppy joe. that, to me, is just a
triple decker.
could be anything: turkey and roast beef. pastrami and corned beef.
chopped liver and corned beef. salami and....whatever. you get the
idea. cole slaw and russian dressing are not optional. they make these
at the stage deli, among other delis in nyc.

i'm not saying they aren't called sloppy joe in your neck of the
woods...i can understand the name, they are very sloppy to eat. (but
good).

SOOO when you said "jewish sloppy joe", i was thinking ground beef,
seasoned with tomato sauce type of things, or maybe...brisket,
shredded with some kind of gravy or pot roast sauce, that sort of
thing. variations on the Manwich theme. Meat in sauce on a bun.

the sandwich you described sounds wonderful. the name is what confused
me.
that's all.

Sheryl wrote:
>
> Nancy Young > wrote in message

> > The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
> > thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
> > type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
> > mode of the sloppy joe, though.

> Never heard of that being called a sloppy joe. that, to me, is just a
> triple decker.
> could be anything: turkey and roast beef. pastrami and corned beef.
> chopped liver and corned beef. salami and....whatever. you get the
> idea. cole slaw and russian dressing are not optional. they make these
> at the stage deli, among other delis in nyc.

I can tell you distinctly the first time I ever heard of Jewish sloppy
joes. I had a Jewish co-worker who wanted to go get takeout
sandwiches from a kosher deli in Vaux Hall, NJ, somewhat of a ride
from Summit, where we worked. I mean, for takeout. Fine, what on
earth is a Jewish sloppy joe? Never had heard of that, so you can
imagine I was thinking ... ground beef in tomato whatever?

At any rate, I have no idea why they are called Jewish sloppy joes,
but around here, they are. Don't forget, the rye bread must be
thin! (smile) So when I saw sloppy joe on the sandwich menu, that's
what I wanted. I was trying to get an assortment of sandwiches for
everyone, but half of that baby was mine all mine.

> the sandwich you described sounds wonderful. the name is what confused
> me.
> that's all.

I didn't mean to be cryptic. Not at all.

This same girl, she knew her way around food, I was not from the area.
She also introduced me to Italian hotdogs. I gather they were
invented in that area surrounding or in Newark, NJ. Two hotdogs,
sauteed peppers and potatoes, geez I'm really forgetting something,
all on one nice bun. Yum. Mee.

nancy

Nancy Young writes:

>Sheryl wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote in message
>
>> > The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
>> > thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
>> > type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
>> > mode of the sloppy joe, though.
>
>> Never heard of that being called a sloppy joe. that, to me, is just a
>> triple decker.
>> could be anything: turkey and roast beef. pastrami and corned beef.
>> chopped liver and corned beef. salami and....whatever. you get the
>> idea. cole slaw and russian dressing are not optional. they make these
>> at the stage deli, among other delis in nyc.
>
>I can tell you distinctly the first time I ever heard of Jewish sloppy
>joes.

In Brooklyn the correct Jewish term is 'sloppy seconds'. hehe


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> not stewing a lamb in it's mother's milk

Actually, it's not cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
supposed to participate in. But the Talmud (fifteen centuries or so of
rabbinical commentary) expanded that prohibition to no meat products at
the same meal as milk products or vice versa, so those who keep kosher
(not all Jews by any means) would not be able to eat a milk-containing
mayonnaise on a meat sandwich.

OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
either milk or meat).

--
Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995
http://www.SteigerFamily.com
Cheyenne WY, USDA zone 5a, Sunset zone 1a
Home of the Wyoming Wind Festival, January 1-December 31
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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I didn't mean to be cryptic. Not at all.

maybe it's your style of writing ?
it always sounds nasty to me.

no offense, of course.


--
Gold ODDY Winner, 2002

"Sylvia" > wrote in message >
> OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
> don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
> either milk or meat).
>
> --
> Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995

From the Kosher Food FAQ:


PAREVE (neutral) Food:

Fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits and grains may be eaten with either milk or
meat dishes.

NOTE: Some communities do not permit fish and meat to be cooked together,
and some do not permit fish and dairy to be cooked together. They may,
however, be served at the same meal on
separate dishes and with separate utensils. It is not the place of this FAQ
to get into the details or reasons for these practices.

Pareve (neutral) cooking oils such as vegetable oils and shortenings may be
used with both milk and meat dishes.

Flour, without dairy additives, is pareve.

>
>maybe it's your style of writing ?
>it always sounds nasty to me.
>
>no offense, of course.
>

I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
Rosie

Rosie Miller wrote:
>
> >
> >maybe it's your style of writing ?
> >it always sounds nasty to me.
> >
> >no offense, of course.
> >
>
> I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
> Rosie

No kidding Rosie. I've never read anything "nasty" from Nancy.
Intelligent, witty, knowledgeable, these things I've read from her.
Nasty..no. Lea on the other hand...?
Goomba

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:14:34 GMT, Sylvia
> wrote:

> > not stewing a lamb in it's mother's milk
>
>Actually, it's not cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
>Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
>supposed to participate in. But the Talmud (fifteen centuries or so of
>rabbinical commentary) expanded that prohibition to no meat products at
>the same meal as milk products or vice versa, so those who keep kosher
>(not all Jews by any means) would not be able to eat a milk-containing
>mayonnaise on a meat sandwich.
>
>OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
>don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
>either milk or meat).

Hmm, in theory it should be OK to serve chicken and milk together
since chickens aren't mammals... but it's not. OTOH, a chicken salad
sandwich with mayonnaise (or other egg-chicken combos) should be
forbidden... but it isn't :>

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:35:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>"Sylvia" > wrote in message >
>> OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
>> don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
>> either milk or meat).
>
>From the Kosher Food FAQ:
>
>PAREVE (neutral) Food:
>
>Fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits and grains may be eaten with either milk or
>meat dishes.

Interesting. Do you know of any reference (web site) that explains the
reasons behind kosher food directives? I've always thought they must
be based on ritualizing good sanitary practices, and boiling a kid in
its mother's milk seems kind of mean, but if you can eat milk and
meat, but only on separate dishes, what purpose (other than ritual)
does that serve?

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> maxine in ri wrote:
>
> > Mayo wouldn't make it unkosher. It's eggs and oil--no dairy stuff
> > in it.
>
> I confess, I order mayo on pastrami in kosher delis. I'll wait a
> minute until you get over that thought. (laugh)
>
> My question is, do you know what I mean by Jewish sloppy joe, or at
> any rate before I described it? Just curious.
>

Although you weren't speaking to me, I do not know what you meant by Jewish
sloppy joe, could you please elaborate?

> wrote in message ...
> Nancy Young > wrote:
> > > Nancy, this begs the question:
> > > what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?
>
> > Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
> > recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
> > thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
> > the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
> > definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
> > sandwich.
>
> You seem to be describing what I would call a Dagwood, not
> anything close to a sloppy Joe.

I was thinking the same thing. To me, a sloppy joe is browned crumbled
hamburger, seasoned and served on a roll. Interesting.

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 Oct 2003 19:58:43 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>
>
>
> >In Brooklyn the correct Jewish term is 'sloppy seconds'. hehe
>
> Is that how you were conceived?

A fair guess, I'd say!

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Rosie Miller wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >maybe it's your style of writing ?
> > >it always sounds nasty to me.
> > >
> > >no offense, of course.
> > >
> >
> > I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
> > Rosie
>
> No kidding Rosie. I've never read anything "nasty" from Nancy.
> Intelligent, witty, knowledgeable, these things I've read from her.
> Nasty..no. Lea on the other hand...?

I agree. I enjoy Nancy's posts, and she often brings up interesting
subjects.

"Frogleg" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:35:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Sylvia" > wrote in message >
> >> OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
> >> don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
> >> either milk or meat).
> >
> >From the Kosher Food FAQ:
> >
> >PAREVE (neutral) Food:
> >
> >Fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits and grains may be eaten with either milk
or
> >meat dishes.
>
> Interesting. Do you know of any reference (web site) that explains the
> reasons behind kosher food directives? I've always thought they must
> be based on ritualizing good sanitary practices, and boiling a kid in
> its mother's milk seems kind of mean, but if you can eat milk and
> meat, but only on separate dishes, what purpose (other than ritual)
> does that serve?

You cannot eat milk and meat at the same time even on separate dishes. In
fact there is some delay that must pass between eating one and eating the
other - I think it is on the order of 10 hours but am not sure. The separate
dishes rule is to ensure that one does not contaminate the other.

I think it is a mistake to look for logical reasons behind the kosher
dietary laws. When the laws were first created it may be that this was part
of the motivation, but you can be sure that the people 3000 (or whatever)
years ago did not have anything remotely like our modern, scientifically
based ideas of food health. For example, it has been suggested that pigs
were forbidden because of the danger of trichinosis - but other mammals that
do not carry trichinosis were also forbidden. It's an interesting subject
but, like many aspects of religion, one that does not lend itself to logic.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Curly Sue" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:14:34 GMT, Sylvia
> > wrote:
>
> > > not stewing a lamb in it's mother's milk
> >
> >Actually, it's not cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
> >Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
> >supposed to participate in. But the Talmud (fifteen centuries or so of
> >rabbinical commentary) expanded that prohibition to no meat products at
> >the same meal as milk products or vice versa, so those who keep kosher
> >(not all Jews by any means) would not be able to eat a milk-containing
> >mayonnaise on a meat sandwich.
> >
> >OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
> >don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
> >either milk or meat).
>
> Hmm, in theory it should be OK to serve chicken and milk together
> since chickens aren't mammals... but it's not. OTOH, a chicken salad
> sandwich with mayonnaise (or other egg-chicken combos) should be
> forbidden... but it isn't :>

Well, they probably didn't have mayonnaise or chicken salad 3000 years ago
; )

Goomba wrote:
> Rosie Miller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> maybe it's your style of writing ?
>>> it always sounds nasty to me.
>>>
>>> no offense, of course.
>>>
>>
>> I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
>> Rosie
>
> No kidding Rosie. I've never read anything "nasty" from Nancy.
> Intelligent, witty, knowledgeable, these things I've read from her.
> Nasty..no. Lea on the other hand...?

no shit, Sherlock

she's a charmer.


--
Gold ODDY Winner, 2002

"lea" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba wrote:
> > Rosie Miller wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> maybe it's your style of writing ?
> >>> it always sounds nasty to me.
> >>>
> >>> no offense, of course.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
> >> Rosie
> >
> > No kidding Rosie. I've never read anything "nasty" from Nancy.
> > Intelligent, witty, knowledgeable, these things I've read from her.
> > Nasty..no. Lea on the other hand...?
>
> no shit, Sherlock
>
> she's a charmer.

And so are you, as evidenced by this last post. PLONK

Jimmy Tango wrote:
> "lea" <> wrote ...
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> Rosie Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe it's your style of writing ?
>>>>> it always sounds nasty to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> no offense, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I
>>>> guess. Rosie
>>>
>>> No kidding Rosie. I've never read anything "nasty" from Nancy.
>>> Intelligent, witty, knowledgeable, these things I've read from her.
>>> Nasty..no. Lea on the other hand...?
>>
>> no shit, Sherlock
>>
>> she's a charmer.
>
> And so are you, as evidenced by this last post. PLONK

Um, I was quoting the lovely lass herself.
Perhaps you should plonk her too.

Love your work.

--
Gold ODDY Winner, 2002

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:46:34 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:


>You cannot eat milk and meat at the same time even on separate dishes. In
>fact there is some delay that must pass between eating one and eating the
>other - I think it is on the order of 10 hours but am not sure. The separate
>dishes rule is to ensure that one does not contaminate the other.
>
>I think it is a mistake to look for logical reasons behind the kosher
>dietary laws. When the laws were first created it may be that this was part
>of the motivation, but you can be sure that the people 3000 (or whatever)
>years ago did not have anything remotely like our modern, scientifically
>based ideas of food health. For example, it has been suggested that pigs
>were forbidden because of the danger of trichinosis - but other mammals that
>do not carry trichinosis were also forbidden. It's an interesting subject
>but, like many aspects of religion, one that does not lend itself to logic.

There *must* be some ancient logic, 'though not bacteriological
investigation behind this. I mean, these laws/customs/traditions came
from *somewhere*. Looks like God spoke to Moses and Aaron (Leviticus
11) and gave them the whole menu. Well, can't argue with God. But to
what purpose, other than making life more difficult than it has to be?
Why is pork forbidden to both Muslims and Jews? The pig is a pretty
efficient protein-making machine, yet not on the menu for both these
semitic groups. Trichinosis? Whim?

Are there any other religions that have odd food prohibitions?
Vegetarianism seems more logical as a religious directive. Strictly A
and not B, rather than selective 'this B but not that one.' Catholic
'fasting' on Friday and during Lent represents sacrifice, not a whole
class of permanently forbidden foods.

<someone wrote>

>> >Actually, it's [not] cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
>> >Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
>> >supposed to participate in.

Now *this* makes sense. "We will distinguish ourselves from the
Others." Particularly if their practices are religious in nature. Who
knows what the rules would be if the 'pagan' rituals had included
chicken soup. :-)

In article >,
Sylvia > wrote:
> > not stewing a lamb in it's mother's milk
>
>Actually, it's not cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
>Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
>supposed to participate in.

See Reah Tannahill's _Food in History_, p. 55.

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> Who knows what the rules would be if the 'pagan' rituals had included
chicken soup.

Excuse me while I faint at the idea of Jewish culture without chicken
soup ...

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