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I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always
wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad spinner for the greens. She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. But then I got curious so I googled and found this: http://tinyurl.com/22bowf Do you wash? -Tracy |
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In article >, Tracy > wrote:
> > Do you wash? > > > -Tracy Meats? No. I've always heard that the drippy water spreads more stuff around than it washes away. Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird poop on organic farms? marcella |
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On Aug 22, 10:54 am, Marcella Peek > wrote:
> In article >, Tracy > wrote: > > > Do you wash? > > > -Tracy > > Meats? No. I've always heard that the drippy water spreads more stuff > around than it washes away. > > Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking > class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and > pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed > to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash > the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird > poop on organic farms? > > marcella People seem to be misled about organic to the same degree they are about those "health" stores that sell things advertised as "all natural." Well, I suspect botulism is all natural, too, along with lots of other icky bacteria. I wash all poultry, under the faucet with running water, never so that what runs off accumulates somewhere. That's the only protein I wash. I wash all greens and produce. Right out of the bag, if you indulge in those, they are very, very dry, and just plain tough and unappetizing. Crisping them up in a spinner and some further refrigeration makes them a lot better. N. |
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In article >, Tracy > wrote:
> Do you wash? > -Tracy I do. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - Fair baking |
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![]() "Marcella Peek" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... > In article >, Tracy > wrote: >> >> Do you wash? >> >> >> -Tracy > > Meats? No. I've always heard that the drippy water spreads more stuff > around than it washes away. > > Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking > class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and > pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed > to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash > the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird > poop on organic farms? > > marcella I do wash, but really, what do we think we are getting off in a stream of cold water? Sand, sure, but that requires a bath. The rest I think stay put. If I am suspicious I use green clay and then a rinse. It supposedly removes pesticides. |
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Tracy > wrote in message
... [snip] > Do you wash? Regularly. The Ranger -- Microsoft gambled that making their users fault-tolerant was a better use of resources than making their software reliable. -- Paul Guertin, alt.peeves, 3/20/01 |
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In article >, Tracy > wrote:
> I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always > wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was > shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She > said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I > don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad > spinner for the greens. > > She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. > > But then I got curious so I googled and found this: > > http://tinyurl.com/22bowf > > Do you wash? > > > -Tracy I always rinse meat off. For steaks and stuff, it rinses off bone dust/fragments that are gritty when eaten. For other stuff? Well, it just seems tidier and it was what mom taught me to do. It sure won't hurt it! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >, Tracy > wrote: > >> I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always >> wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was >> shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She >> said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I >> don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad >> spinner for the greens. >> >> She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. >> >> But then I got curious so I googled and found this: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/22bowf >> >> Do you wash? >> >> >> -Tracy > > I always rinse meat off. > For steaks and stuff, it rinses off bone dust/fragments that are gritty > when eaten. For other stuff? Well, it just seems tidier and it was what > mom taught me to do. > > It sure won't hurt it! I totally agree. What can it hurt? I wash everything and always keep meat separate. The weird thing was that my friend didn't really have a reason why she didn't bother. If she had come out and said the USDA says..blah blah blah...but she didn't. She's not the best of cooks, but she at least tries. I don't remember my mother washing chicken. My husband used to work in the food industry (college dining) and is vigilant about food safety. -Tracy |
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In article >, Tracy > wrote:
> >> Do you wash? > >> > >> > >> -Tracy > > > > I always rinse meat off. > > For steaks and stuff, it rinses off bone dust/fragments that are gritty > > when eaten. For other stuff? Well, it just seems tidier and it was what > > mom taught me to do. > > > > It sure won't hurt it! > > I totally agree. What can it hurt? I wash everything and always keep > meat separate. If nothing else, it rinses dust off of veggies, and any clotted blood off of meat. I don't care for the texture of that stuff. > > The weird thing was that my friend didn't really have a reason why she > didn't bother. If she had come out and said the USDA says..blah blah > blah...but she didn't. > > She's not the best of cooks, but she at least tries. > > I don't remember my mother washing chicken. My husband used to work in > the food industry (college dining) and is vigilant about food safety. > > -Tracy Mom rinsed/washed all foods for various reasons. The only thing I don't rinse off is bagged greens, but I'm reconsidering that. I need a salad spinner. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"The Ranger" > wrote in news:13coor859evso91
@corp.supernews.com: > Tracy > wrote in message > ... > [snip] >> Do you wash? > > Regularly. > > The Ranger > -- > Microsoft gambled that making their users fault-tolerant was > a better use of resources than making their software reliable. > -- Paul Guertin, alt.peeves, 3/20/01 > > > I wash veggies and fruit but not meats. I wash veggies with a concern more about chemicals such as insecticides than worry of dirt. Bird droppings!...now I'm freaked. -- The house of the burning beet-Alan It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night- Elbonian Folklore |
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In article >,
hahabogus > wrote: > "The Ranger" > wrote in news:13coor859evso91 > @corp.supernews.com: > > > Tracy > wrote in message > > ... > > [snip] > >> Do you wash? > > > > Regularly. > > > > The Ranger > > -- > > Microsoft gambled that making their users fault-tolerant was > > a better use of resources than making their software reliable. > > -- Paul Guertin, alt.peeves, 3/20/01 > > > > > > > > I wash veggies and fruit but not meats. > I wash veggies with a concern more about chemicals such as insecticides > than worry of dirt. Bird droppings!...now I'm freaked. You must not have sparrows flying around the grocery store... ;-) -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:54:28 -0700, Marcella Peek
> wrote: >In article >, Tracy > wrote: >> >> Do you wash? >> >> >> -Tracy > >Meats? No. I've always heard that the drippy water spreads more stuff >around than it washes away. > >Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking >class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and >pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed >to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash >the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird >poop on organic farms? > >marcella it's o.k. because it's organic poop. your pal, blake |
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote: > >Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking > >class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and > >pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed > >to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash > >the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird > >poop on organic farms? > > > >marcella > > it's o.k. because it's organic poop. > > your pal, > blake <snork> And you chided me about bee barf... ;-) -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:25:10 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote: >Tracy > wrote in message ... >[snip] >> Do you wash? > >Regularly. > >The Ranger i usually just dust myself off. the feathers tickle like crazy, though. your pal, blake |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > In article >, Tracy > wrote: > >> >> Do you wash? >> >> >> >> >> >> -Tracy >> > >> > I always rinse meat off. >> > For steaks and stuff, it rinses off bone dust/fragments that are gritty >> > when eaten. For other stuff? Well, it just seems tidier and it was what >> > mom taught me to do. >> > >> > It sure won't hurt it! >> >> I totally agree. What can it hurt? I wash everything and always keep >> meat separate. > > If nothing else, it rinses dust off of veggies, and any clotted blood > off of meat. I don't care for the texture of that stuff. > >> >> The weird thing was that my friend didn't really have a reason why she >> didn't bother. If she had come out and said the USDA says..blah blah >> blah...but she didn't. >> >> She's not the best of cooks, but she at least tries. >> >> I don't remember my mother washing chicken. My husband used to work in >> the food industry (college dining) and is vigilant about food safety. >> >> -Tracy > > Mom rinsed/washed all foods for various reasons. > > The only thing I don't rinse off is bagged greens, but I'm reconsidering > that. > > I need a salad spinner. > -- > Peace, Om > > Remove _ to validate e-mails. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack > Nicholson After the whole salmonella scare over the packaged/bagged spinach the bagged greens seemed to be the worst offenders since most were imported from Mexico from farms that used human waste as fertilizer..........if you didn't just pick or kill it yourself and know what touched it or handled it before you, wash it. -ginny |
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blake murphy > wrote in message
... > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:25:10 -0700, "The Ranger" > > wrote: >>Tracy > wrote in message ... >>[snip] >>> Do you wash? >> >>Regularly. >> > i usually just dust myself off. the feathers tickle like crazy, > though. French? The Ranger |
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Tracy wrote:
> I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I > always wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never > does. I rinse off chicken and pat dry it with a paper towel. This isn't a concern about bacteria, it's just that chicken usually is a bit slippery, and it's easier to handle that way. Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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> The only thing I don't rinse off is bagged greens, but I'm reconsidering > that. > > I need a salad spinner. > -- > Peace, Om > Om, you don't need a $25 spinner, either, like from Oxo. I got one at K-Mart for $4 or $5, and it works great. Or, there's always the "swing it in a dishtowel" process. ;-) N. |
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Nancy2 wrote:
>> The only thing I don't rinse off is bagged greens, but I'm reconsidering >> that. >> >> I need a salad spinner. >> -- >> Peace, Om >> > > Om, you don't need a $25 spinner, either, like from Oxo. > > I got one at K-Mart for $4 or $5, and it works great. > > Or, there's always the "swing it in a dishtowel" process. ;-) > > N. > I've done that! It works, but I prefer the spinner. -Tracy |
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote: > > it's o.k. because it's organic poop. > > your pal, > blake Ah, that must have been his point. Maybe he was one of those types that doesn't mind eating a bug or two because "it's extra protein". marcella |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:25 -0400, Tracy > wrote:
>I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always >wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was >shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She >said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I >don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad >spinner for the greens. > >She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. > >But then I got curious so I googled and found this: > >http://tinyurl.com/22bowf > >Do you wash? Poultry, fish and produce, yes. Red meat, not usually, unless there's something about it that makes me more concerned than usual. Regards, Tracy R. |
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On Aug 22, 9:59 am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> On Aug 22, 10:54 am, Marcella Peek > wrote: > > > > > In article >, Tracy > wrote: > > > > Do you wash? > > > > -Tracy > > > I wash all poultry, under the faucet with running water, never so that > what runs off accumulates somewhere. That's the only protein I wash. > I wash chicken leg quarters to get that icky (lymph?) gland out. > > N. --Bryan |
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One time on Usenet, Tracy > said:
> I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always > wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was > shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She > said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I > don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad > spinner for the greens. > > She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. > > But then I got curious so I googled and found this: > > http://tinyurl.com/22bowf > > Do you wash? Meats and produce? Yes. They can get a good rinse without cross-contamination if one is careful. I don't want all that blood and feces on my meat, and I don't want pesticides on my fruits and veggies. I just don't wash them at the same time... -- Jani in WA |
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![]() "Giusi" > wrote in message ... > > > "Marcella Peek" > ha scritto nel messaggio > ... >> In article >, Tracy > wrote: >>> >>> Do you wash? >>> >>> >>> -Tracy >> >> Meats? No. I've always heard that the drippy water spreads more stuff >> around than it washes away. >> >> Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking >> class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and >> pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed >> to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash >> the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird >> poop on organic farms? >> >> marcella > > I do wash, but really, what do we think we are getting off in a stream of > cold water? Sand, sure, but that requires a bath. The rest I think stay > put. If I am suspicious I use green clay and then a rinse. It supposedly > removes pesticides. Vegetables: I rinse, paper-towel dry, spray with vinegar and let sit a little bit, rinse off the vinegar - that's it. Beef, I pat dry with a paper towel. Good grade hamburger, I squeeze out the blood if there is any - don't ask why, don't know - chicken I always wash off and pat dry. Dee Dee |
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![]() "The Ranger" > wrote in message ... > Tracy > wrote in message ... > [snip] >> Do you wash? > > Regularly. > > The Ranger > -- "Don't scratch it -- wash it." Dee Dee |
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![]() "Omelet" > wrote in message news ![]() > > Mom rinsed/washed all foods for various reasons. > > The only thing I don't rinse off is bagged greens, but I'm reconsidering > that. > > I need a salad spinner. > -- > Peace, Om I rinse greens that I will eat uncooked, and do my vinegar spray routine with them; but for a huge bag of Costco spinach, I guess I throw caution to the wind and don't rinse them; just put one-after-another batch in a pot of boiling water for 2 minutes, put in a colander, drain, cool and freeze in portions. Dee Dee |
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>> I need a salad spinner. >> -- >> Peace, Om >> I bought a $25 spinner, and a $2.99 spinner -- guess which one I use. IOW, don't overspend on a spinner! Dee Dee |
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On Aug 22, 11:35?am, Tracy > wrote:
> I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always > wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was > shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She > said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I > don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad > spinner for the greens. > > She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. > > But then I got curious so I googled and found this: > > http://tinyurl.com/22bowf > > Do you wash? > > -Tracy The info at that web site is just plain wrong. Anyone worried about cross contamination from washing should never bring food home. If washing causes cross contamination what does cutting meat do... should one never quarter a chicken, butterfly a pork chop, stuff a turkey, fillet a fish.... the info at that web site is beyond wrong, it's imbecilic... now don't any of you do any meat cooking, yer apt to cross contaminate your stove and your pots. That info was obviously written by someone who doesn't cook, couldn't cook if their life depended on it... obviously someone who never heard of soap and hot water, never bathes... guess whoose. hehe Sheldon |
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![]() "Steve Wertz" > wrote in message >> http://tinyurl.com/22bowf > > They say *NOT* to soak dry-cured country hams? > > "Sometimes consumers wash or soak country ham, bacon, or salt > pork because they think it reduces the sodium or salt enough to > allow these products to be eaten on a sodium-restricted diet. > However, very little salt is removed by washing, rinsing, or > soaking a meat product and is not recommended." > > -sw It probably does not for sodium restricted, but I still soak my beef after corning it before I smoke it to make pastrami. While still salty, it is much better to our taste buds than unrinsed. |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:25 -0400, Tracy > connected
the dots and wrote: ~I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always ~wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was ~shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She ~said she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I ~don't think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad ~spinner for the greens. ~ ~She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. ~ ~But then I got curious so I googled and found this: ~ ~http://tinyurl.com/22bowf ~ ~Do you wash? ~ ~ ~-Tracy Rinse. Sometimes spray with vinegar or hydrogen peroxide, then rinse. Fish I always rinse off and pat dry with paper towels. Chicken I rinse if it's fresh, not frozen, tho. Don't do much with red meats. Veggies always get rinsed before cutting or peeling, ditto fruits and melon rinds get sprayed with one of the above and then rinsed before the knife hits them. maxine in ri |
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Nancy2 wrote:
> People seem to be misled about organic to the same degree they are > about those "health" stores that sell things advertised as "all > natural." Well, I suspect botulism is all natural, too, along with > lots of other icky bacteria. > > I wash all poultry, under the faucet with running water, never so that > what runs off accumulates somewhere. That's the only protein I wash. > > I wash all greens and produce. Right out of the bag, if you indulge > in those, they are very, very dry, and just plain tough and > unappetizing. Crisping them up in a spinner and some further > refrigeration makes them a lot better. The ignorance about "organic" and "Natural" food is shocking. I've seen that here on RFC at times. Some people will believe anything even if it flies in the face of common sense. I do rinse my poultry but also pork chops which sometimes have ground bone on them from the slicing process. Never wash beef or lamb. Ditto what you said about greens. |
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Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> After the whole salmonella scare over the packaged/bagged spinach the bagged > greens seemed to be the worst offenders since most were imported from Mexico > from farms that used human waste as fertilizer..........if you didn't just > pick or kill it yourself and know what touched it or handled it before you, > wash it. > -ginny > I thought the salmonella was traced to pigs that got loose near the spinach beds? In California. Or was that E.coli?? I forget...? |
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Omelet wrote:
> I need a salad spinner. Even if it still has bugs, at least you get the satisfaction of knowing you're making them dizzy. But know when to stop...just before they ralph on your lettuce. -- Blinky RLU 297263 Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
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Goomba38 wrote:
> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote: > >> After the whole salmonella scare over the packaged/bagged spinach the bagged >> greens seemed to be the worst offenders since most were imported from Mexico >> from farms that used human waste as fertilizer..........if you didn't just >> pick or kill it yourself and know what touched it or handled it before you, >> wash it. >> -ginny >> > I thought the salmonella was traced to pigs that got loose near the > spinach beds? In California. Or was that E.coli?? I forget...? I think that's part of Mexico, now. -- Blinky RLU 297263 Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
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On Aug 22, 8:15 pm, Goomba38 > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote: > > People seem to be misled about organic to the same degree they are > > about those "health" stores that sell things advertised as "all > > natural." Well, I suspect botulism is all natural, too, along with > > lots of other icky bacteria. > > > I wash all poultry, under the faucet with running water, never so that > > what runs off accumulates somewhere. That's the only protein I wash. > > > I wash all greens and produce. Right out of the bag, if you indulge > > in those, they are very, very dry, and just plain tough and > > unappetizing. Crisping them up in a spinner and some further > > refrigeration makes them a lot better. > > The ignorance about "organic" and "Natural" food is shocking. I've seen > that here on RFC at times. Some people will believe anything even if it > flies in the face of common sense. > > I do rinse my poultry but also pork chops which sometimes have ground > bone on them from the slicing process. Use a butter knife to scrape that off. The butchers call it "sweeping." Don't rinse your pork chops. > Never wash beef or lamb. Lamb can sometimes have that residue on it too. Again, sweep, don't rinse. Rinsing is for the birds. --Bryan |
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![]() "Tracy" > wrote in message ... >I visited a friend this past weekend and we cooked together. I always >wash/rinse my chicken before cooking and she said she never does. I was >shocked. She even said to me "why" and I was even more shocked. She said >she never washes/rinses any meat products. I wash everything. I don't >think she even washes the veggies. No wait, she did use a salad spinner >for the greens. > > She also uses hot tap water for pasta- she says it's quicker to boil. > > But then I got curious so I googled and found this: > > http://tinyurl.com/22bowf > > Do you wash? I don't wash and I am super careful about cross contamination. With food allergies, you have to be. I generally only buy boneless, skinless chicken breasts. If I have to cut them up, I use a paper plate on top of my cutting board and I try not to touch the chicken with my hands. I don't wash meat either. Vegetables, I wash. No longer buy the bagged prewashed greens after the e-coli scare. But pasta in hot tap water? Eeeew, no. Maybe if I had an Insinkerator, but I don't. I did that when I was much younger. But I didn't know then about the chemicals that can come out in the hot water. But come to think of it, we are washing dishes in hot water, so... Hmmm... |
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![]() "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message t... > > "Steve Wertz" > wrote in message >>> http://tinyurl.com/22bowf >> >> They say *NOT* to soak dry-cured country hams? >> >> "Sometimes consumers wash or soak country ham, bacon, or salt >> pork because they think it reduces the sodium or salt enough to >> allow these products to be eaten on a sodium-restricted diet. >> However, very little salt is removed by washing, rinsing, or >> soaking a meat product and is not recommended." >> >> -sw > > It probably does not for sodium restricted, but I still soak my beef after > corning it before I smoke it to make pastrami. While still salty, it is > much better to our taste buds than unrinsed. I remember buying canned bacon. You had to rinse it in hot water to get the pieces apart. It actually tasted fine once it was cooked. |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:35:25 -0400, Tracy > wrote:
>Do you wash? Sounds like a good poll! No. I don't put soap on meat. ROTFL <I crack me up> But really, NO. Sometimes I rinse a chicken out, but not for any sanitary reasons. -- Ham and eggs. A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig. |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:54:28 -0700, Marcella Peek
> wrote: >In article >, Tracy > wrote: >> >> Do you wash? >> >> >> -Tracy > >Meats? No. I've always heard that the drippy water spreads more stuff >around than it washes away. > >Produce I always wash though. I was horrified when taking a cooking >class at a local store. The "chef" was making a salad with greens and >pear and used the greens right out of the bag (which I know is supposed >to be ok but is slightly icky to me) and said there was no need to wash >the pear because it was organic. huh? There's no dirt, bugs or bird >poop on organic farms? > The only time I tuned into what they do to the bagged stuff, I learned they were washed three times before being bagged. Has that changed? -- Ham and eggs. A day's work for the chicken, a lifetime commitment for the pig. |
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![]() "Goomba38" > wrote in message . .. > > I do rinse my poultry but also pork chops which sometimes have ground bone > on them from the slicing process. Never wash beef or lamb. > > Ditto what you said about greens. Wouldn't bone-in beef or lamb cuts also have ground bone on them? |
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