"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:08:04 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> No, I'm over educated.
>
> Home-schooling can do that to you.

LOL

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:27:01 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
>> threat.
>
> I think you've been reading to many Robin Cook novels.

Is he saying it is not a real threat if they let him die???????????

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:35:00 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Puester wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>> > Felice Friese wrote:
>> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> elaine wrote:
>> >>>> "Pete C." > wrote in message >>
>> >>>> snip............
>> >>>>> I immediately fire any doctor that doesn't follow my orders. They are a
>> >>>>> service provider - nothing more - they follow my orders or they loose
>> >>>>> my
>> >>>>> business.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Pete C.
>>
>> >> For your sake, I hope your doctors don't read RFC.
>> >>
>> >> Felice
>> >
>> > How would that be a problem? They know my ground rules when I first
>> > interview them, nothing here would be any news to them.
>> >
>>
>> Do you also tell your electrician, plumber, and auto repairman
>> how to do their jobs?
>>
>> gloria p
>
>No, I do all my electrical, plumbing and auto work myself. I'm cheaper,
>faster and do the work to a higher standard than nearly any electrician,
>plumber or auto mechanic I've found. The only exception I've found is
>the commercial electricians who work in the data centers where I work,
>and there they only match the quality of the work I do, not exceed it,
>and I'm still cheaper and faster.
>
>Pete C.

i can't wait for you first do-it-yourself surgery.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:41:12 -0400, "elaine" >
wrote:

>"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> > Felice Friese wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >>> elaine wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "Pete C." > wrote in message >>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>> snip............
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I immediately fire any doctor that doesn't follow my orders. They
>>> >>>>> are a service provider - nothing more - they follow my orders or
>>> >>>>> they loose my
>>> >>>>> business.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Pete C.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Strange comments! Are you for real?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> e.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Too real for you apparently...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what
>>> >>> they are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through
>>> >>> most diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Pete C.
>>> >>
>>> >> For your sake, I hope your doctors don't read RFC.
>>> >>
>>> >> Felice
>>> >
>>> > How would that be a problem? They know my ground rules when I first
>>> > interview them, nothing here would be any news to them.
>>> >
>>> > Pete C.
>>>
>>> I didn't realize when you were brought into the emergency room you got to
>>> "interview" your doctors. I figure bleeding is a rather serious thing
>>> and
>>> they send a doctor to see you, not a panel of doctors from whom you get
>>> to
>>> study their curriculum vitae.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
>> emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
>> pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
>> explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
>> weapon.
>
>Medical directive - is this something you carry around? Like, ---- what if
>you are vacationing in a different planet.
>
>e.

you mean like this one?

your pal,
blake

Segue wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > No, I do all my electrical, plumbing and auto work myself. I'm cheaper,
> > faster and do the work to a higher standard than nearly any electrician,
> > plumber or auto mechanic I've found. The only exception I've found is
> > the commercial electricians who work in the data centers where I work,
> > and there they only match the quality of the work I do, not exceed it,
> > and I'm still cheaper and faster.
>
> You probably do DIY sex as well..... there clearly is no woman or man on
> earth who would be up to your standards.........

No woman I've found so far has been though at least a few have seemingly
considered me up to their standards. Not sure whether that reflects well
on me or poorly on them, or both. At any rate, find me a millionaire
super model with an engineering degree and I might be interested...

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:09:22 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> >> Comparing rape to someone saving your life?
> >
> > Comparing a violation of someone's body and rights to a violation of my
> > body and rights.
>
> Except that one is saving your life (unknown to them that you
> would rather be dead) and the other is trying to maim you for
> life, then sure - it's a great comparison.

Motivation is no excuse. Compare to the frequent rapes of *******s in
some cultures, with the motivation of trying to save / cure them.

Segue wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what they
> > are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
> > diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
>
> Semi educated, huh? Four years college, 4 years medical school, 3-5 years
> residency, 3 years fellowship.... I make that about 15 years post high
> school education.

Still far short of what is necessary apparently, given the very high
levels of mistakes, misdiagnosis and harm caused by just plain arrogance
blinding them to what their victims have been telling them.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:00:39 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>> > Steve Wertz wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:12:33 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around
>> >>> their medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can
>> >>> happen without one.
>> >>
>> >> So if an ambulance shows up while your unconscious and bleeding,
>> >> they'll just read the tattoo on your chest and drive away.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >
>> > I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort
>> > to insure that information is available to them. If they aren't
>> > properly trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>>
>> Pete speaks as if he's about 20 years old. He has no idea what would happen
>> if he were transported via ambulance (unconscious) to an emergency room.
>> They aren't going to search his wallet for a DNR. First priority would be
>> to get him there in stable condition. It's going to be an after the fact
>> thing to figure out even who his next of kin is, let alone his last wishes
>> and a DNR.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Um, no, I'm 37. If they do assault me against the abundantly clear
>instructions in my readily available medical directive, they will pay
>the price. It is my understanding that they are trained to check for
>directives, just as they are trained to check for religion before
>transfusions. In any case it doesn't matter, assault is assault and they
>will not get away unpunished. I've already gone beyond what should
>reasonably expected of me to make my wishes clear.

very practical. they'll read you communiqué, realize their mistake,
and put potassium chloride in your i.v. end of problem.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:37:30 GMT, Steve Wertz
> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:57:42 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:24:38 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:12:33 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
>>>>>> medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen without
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if an ambulance shows up while your unconscious and bleeding,
>>>>> they'll just read the tattoo on your chest and drive away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
>>>>
>>>> I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort to
>>>> insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
>>>> trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>>>
>>> So if they save your life, you'll sue. Hey - why not, it's the
>>> American Way!
>>
>> "Saving my life" in no way justifies the assault against my clear
>> wishes. Suggesting that is as absurd as saying rape is ok as long as the
>> victim doesn't get pregnant.
>
>Comparing rape to someone saving your life?
>
>That pretty much clears up any doubt whether you are of "sound
>mind and body". Clearly you aren't.
>
>-sw

how can you say that? he sounds like a member of the libertarian
party, and you know how sane they are.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:52:15 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
>> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
>> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
>> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
>> > weapon.
>>
>> Do you have this directive tattooed on your chest?
>>
>> -sw
>
>No, it's on a card in my wallet in detail and also summarized on the
>back of my drivers license. I'm considering tattooing it as well.

man, that will really get the chicks! will it be above or below the
heart with 'mom' inside?

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:46:42 GMT, "Paco's Tacos" >
wrote:

>
>"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
>> Paco's Tacos wrote:
>>>
>>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> >
>>> > And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what
>>> > they
>>> > are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
>>> > diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
>>> >
>>> > Pete C.
>>>
>>> Semi educated? Are you fully educated?
>>
>> No, I'm over educated.
>
>Hmm, wasn't quite sure that was possible. Are you related to Sheldon?
>
are you kidding? he sprang fully grown from sheldon's forehead.

your pal,
blake

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:33:46 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > I don't agree. Dumb is using illegal drugs when you know they will hurt
> > you. Dumb is driving drunk. Dumb is not making decisions when it will
> > adversely effect your life. Pete's decision isn't dumb. It has been
> > carefully thought out (it seems), and I think it should be his choice.
>
> Except in the case of emergency situations where he cannot make a
> decision. This is not your standard DNR. And I doubt he'd feel
> that way as he loses consciousness and everything starts to go
> black (otherwise known as seeing your life pass before your
> eyes).
>
> -sw

You don't seem to get it, an Advance Medical Directive is not the same
thing as a Do Not Resuscitate order. An Advance Medical Directive is a
much more comprehensive document.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:08:28 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:59:05 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Imagine how it would make someone feel if they could have saved
> >>>> your life with a simple smack on the back to dislodge that piece
> >>>> of hot dog, but instead they had to stand over you and watch you
> >>>> turn blue and die slowly by suffocating.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if they did save your life, then you'd sue them for assault.
> >>>>
> >>>> Damn. I wouldn't hang around you at all.
> >>>
> >>> That's a moronic claim, perhaps you should read up on what an advance
> >>> medical directive is and where it applies.
> >>
> >> Huh? You've repeatedly said that, even when unconscious, you
> >> must be refused all medical treatment. That includes teh
> >> Heimlich and all other choking maneuvers.
> >>
> >> What did I miss that it somehow wouldn't apply in this
> >> circumstance?
> >
> > Yes, you missed the fact that in a choking scenario, people rarely loose
> > consciousness immediately. You also miss the fact that it is entirely
> > possible to "Heimlich" yourself if you are sufficiently knowledgeable
> > and act quickly.
>
> OK, just imagine that you're unconscious from trying to perform
> the Hiemlich maneuver on yourself (you ran into a wall with your
> fists in your diaphragm). Then what? Would you rather somebody
> step in and help, or leave you there all blue and clearly dying?

A table edge is a better choice.

As for that situation, yes, I would rather *not* have anyone try to save
me. I would have no way of determining or controlling how much of a
delay had occurred and I would much rather risk death when I could have
been "saved" than risk surviving with severe brain damage from being
"saved" after being without oxygen for too long.

>
> Or just imagine a hundred of other scenarios that ate 1000 times
> more likely to happen than some doctor accidentally killing you
> (partly due to his inflated ego).

Which are exactly the situations an Advance Medical Directive is for.

>
> After all, you would have to put into the situation that you're
> dying in the first place before any physician could treat you. So
> how could you possibly *benefit* from such an "Emergency DNR"
> that you carry around on a little card in your wallet?

Again, learn some reading comprehension - an Advance Medical Directive
is *not* the same thing as a DNR and indeed an Advance Medical Directive
can stipulate that resuscitation is to be attempted.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:35:00 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Puester wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> > Felice Friese wrote:
> >> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>> elaine wrote:
> >> >>>> "Pete C." > wrote in message >>
> >> >>>> snip............
> >> >>>>> I immediately fire any doctor that doesn't follow my orders. They are a
> >> >>>>> service provider - nothing more - they follow my orders or they loose
> >> >>>>> my
> >> >>>>> business.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Pete C.
> >>
> >> >> For your sake, I hope your doctors don't read RFC.
> >> >>
> >> >> Felice
> >> >
> >> > How would that be a problem? They know my ground rules when I first
> >> > interview them, nothing here would be any news to them.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Do you also tell your electrician, plumber, and auto repairman
> >> how to do their jobs?
> >>
> >> gloria p
> >
> >No, I do all my electrical, plumbing and auto work myself. I'm cheaper,
> >faster and do the work to a higher standard than nearly any electrician,
> >plumber or auto mechanic I've found. The only exception I've found is
> >the commercial electricians who work in the data centers where I work,
> >and there they only match the quality of the work I do, not exceed it,
> >and I'm still cheaper and faster.
> >
> >Pete C.
>
> i can't wait for you first do-it-yourself surgery.

That's a pretty idiotic comment. Not everything is feasible to DIY and
in those cases you have to carefully screen any prospective service
provider and clearly, contractually stipulate every last detail of the
services to be performed. I happen to be very capable of electrical
work, so I can readily DIY it, for someone who is not capable of
electrical work, the same service provider screening is applicable.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:52:15 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
> >> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
> >> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
> >> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
> >> > weapon.
> >>
> >> Do you have this directive tattooed on your chest?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> >No, it's on a card in my wallet in detail and also summarized on the
> >back of my drivers license. I'm considering tattooing it as well.
>
> man, that will really get the chicks! will it be above or below the
> heart with 'mom' inside?
>
> your pal,
> blake

More idiotic comments. See how idiotic you consider my Advance Medical
Directive when you find yourself in a state similar to poor Mrs. Schivo,
or worse.

Pete C. said...

>> i can't wait for you first do-it-yourself surgery.
>
> That's a pretty idiotic comment. Not everything is feasible to DIY and
> in those cases you have to carefully screen any prospective service
> provider and clearly, contractually stipulate every last detail of the
> services to be performed.


"Last thing he said was 'SAVE ME!', poor dead *******!"
--Paramedic

You want to be a martyr, shoot your brains out for your cause.

Andy

Andy wrote:
>
> Pete C. said...
>
> >> i can't wait for you first do-it-yourself surgery.
> >
> > That's a pretty idiotic comment. Not everything is feasible to DIY and
> > in those cases you have to carefully screen any prospective service
> > provider and clearly, contractually stipulate every last detail of the
> > services to be performed.
>
> "Last thing he said was 'SAVE ME!', poor dead *******!"
> --Paramedic
>
> You want to be a martyr, shoot your brains out for your cause.
>
> Andy

More idiotic comments. Clearly you're afraid to consider and plan for
medical issues.

Pete C. said...

> Andy wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. said...
>>
>> >> i can't wait for you first do-it-yourself surgery.
>> >
>> > That's a pretty idiotic comment. Not everything is feasible to DIY and
>> > in those cases you have to carefully screen any prospective service
>> > provider and clearly, contractually stipulate every last detail of the
>> > services to be performed.
>>
>> "Last thing he said was 'SAVE ME!', poor dead *******!"
>> --Paramedic
>>
>> You want to be a martyr, shoot your brains out for your cause.
>>
>> Andy
>
> More idiotic comments. Clearly you're afraid to consider and plan for
> medical issues.


Bigger shovel. Taller boots, ya BUM!!!.

Andy

Pete C. wrote:

> As I've indicated, my directive is summarized on the back of my drivers
> license, in an area reserved for medical directive info, and is in full
> detail on a card located right next to the license. I am considering a
> tattoo, however what I've done so far is already more burden than can
> reasonably expected of me. As I said, anyone who violates my directive
> will be punished severely.

feh. I can see it now. When you're there struggling to breath or in
severe. pain you'll be begging for care then.... no matter what your
drivers license may say. Even people who think they are ready to die,
often change their mind when it comes down to it....

Dan Abel wrote:

> I don't agree. Dumb is using illegal drugs when you know they will hurt
> you. Dumb is driving drunk. Dumb is not making decisions when it will
> adversely effect your life. Pete's decision isn't dumb. It has been
> carefully thought out (it seems), and I think it should be his choice.

It is also selfish. If he wants to suffer and die from something totally
treatable, he needs to do it someplace where it doesn't leave wreckage
(emotional, legal) on bystanders who are kept at bay by his rants that
he doesn't want any care. I wouldn't want to sit and witness him gurgle
and circle the drain just because he's too paranoid about health care to
accept any.

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > I don't agree. Dumb is using illegal drugs when you know they will hurt
> > you. Dumb is driving drunk. Dumb is not making decisions when it will
> > adversely effect your life. Pete's decision isn't dumb. It has been
> > carefully thought out (it seems), and I think it should be his choice.
>
> It is also selfish. If he wants to suffer and die from something totally
> treatable, he needs to do it someplace where it doesn't leave wreckage
> (emotional, legal) on bystanders who are kept at bay by his rants that
> he doesn't want any care. I wouldn't want to sit and witness him gurgle
> and circle the drain just because he's too paranoid about health care to
> accept any.

Bullshit!

I don't have any dependents, so I'm not harming anyone if I die because
I reject your medical machine. If you have emotional issues with my
rejection of your medical machine that is entirely your problem.

How readily would you accept the traditional medicine in some third
world country? You'd reject the mystery herbs and potions right? How
dare you think you have and right to force your medicine on me when you
wouldn't accept someone else trying to force their medicine on you.

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > As I've indicated, my directive is summarized on the back of my drivers
> > license, in an area reserved for medical directive info, and is in full
> > detail on a card located right next to the license. I am considering a
> > tattoo, however what I've done so far is already more burden than can
> > reasonably expected of me. As I said, anyone who violates my directive
> > will be punished severely.
>
> feh. I can see it now. When you're there struggling to breath or in
> severe. pain you'll be begging for care then.... no matter what your
> drivers license may say. Even people who think they are ready to die,
> often change their mind when it comes down to it....

More self serving bullshit. I wholly reject your medical machine - deal
with it.

Pete C. wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> >
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > > Default User wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > > > > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all
> > > > > medical treatment is refused.
> > > >
> > > > So you'd prefer to die of something relatively minor, like heat
> > > > stroke or allergic reaction?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > Wow. Dumb. Sorry, but it is. I'm not going to sugar-coat it with,
> > "well your choice is yours, blah blah blah." That's a dumb choice.

> No, it's a safe choice.

Ha ha ha. No, it's stupid. Dying (or more likely ending up
brain-damaged) because simple procedures couldn't be performed is dumb.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 GMT, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Steve Wertz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:52:15 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
> > >> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
> > >> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical
> > >> > directive
> > >> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a
> > >> > deadly
> > >> > weapon.
> > >>
> > >> Do you have this directive tattooed on your chest?
> > >>
> > >> -sw
> > >
> > >No, it's on a card in my wallet in detail and also summarized on the
> > >back of my drivers license. I'm considering tattooing it as well.
> >
> > man, that will really get the chicks! will it be above or below the
> > heart with 'mom' inside?
> >
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> More idiotic comments. See how idiotic you consider my Advance Medical
> Directive when you find yourself in a state similar to poor Mrs. Schivo,
> or worse.

If you are posting about Terri Schaivo, there wasn't the concept of
refusing all medical treatment, just those that wouldn't help.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>>
>> On 2007-08-24, Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>> > I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort
>> > to
>> > insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
>> > trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>>
>> Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
>>
>> nb
>
> No.

Damn, I was so hoping you might be.

e.

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:02:02 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:26:19 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am considering a tattoo...
>>>
>>> That would have the opposite effect. They would treat you based
>>> on the fact that you're a complete nut-case and are out of your
>>> mind.
>>
>> The only nut cases are people like you who think you have a right to
>> force your beliefs on me. You are no different than the islamic nut
>> cases trying to force their beliefs on all of us.
>
> Another ****-poor example. I'm not forcing any beliefs on you at
> all, I'm just trying to understand them. The only belief I've
> expressed is that I think you're a few kernels shy of a cob
> (ObFood).
>
> Speaking of which, I've got some of the bi-color corn for dinner
> tontight. This is usually awesome corn.
>
> -sw

Ok, what exactly is this bi-coloured corn. As opposed to peaches and cream.
I've seen it advertised and wondered.

e.

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > blake murphy wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 GMT, "Pete C." >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Steve Wertz wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:52:15 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
> > > >> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
> > > >> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical
> > > >> > directive
> > > >> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a
> > > >> > deadly
> > > >> > weapon.
> > > >>
> > > >> Do you have this directive tattooed on your chest?
> > > >>
> > > >> -sw
> > > >
> > > >No, it's on a card in my wallet in detail and also summarized on the
> > > >back of my drivers license. I'm considering tattooing it as well.
> > >
> > > man, that will really get the chicks! will it be above or below the
> > > heart with 'mom' inside?
> > >
> > > your pal,
> > > blake
> >
> > More idiotic comments. See how idiotic you consider my Advance Medical
> > Directive when you find yourself in a state similar to poor Mrs. Schivo,
> > or worse.
>
> If you are posting about Terri Schaivo, there wasn't the concept of
> refusing all medical treatment, just those that wouldn't help.

No, there was the issue of not having a written Advance Medical
Directive. Exactly what that directive would be is irrelevant, the issue
was the lack of an AMD leaving all sides fighting over what they wanted
without clear indication of what the only person that mattered - Mrs.
Schaivo - wanted.

It's not a function of you agreeing with what my AMD says, as it's none
of your damn business if you don't like it, it's a function of making my
wishes abundantly clear in print where nobody can claim to speak for me.

Pete C. said...

> It's not a function of you agreeing with what my AMD says, as it's none
> of your damn business if you don't like it, it's a function of making my
> wishes abundantly clear in print where nobody can claim to speak for me.


More idiotic comments from Pete "roadkill" C

Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:34:24 -0500, notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2007-08-25, Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
>>> threat.
>>
>> With any luck at all, you'll be killed outright and no one will have
>> to listen to all this crap. The sooner, the better.
>
> I have heard that everyone dies.

e.

elaine wrote:
>
> "Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:02:02 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> >> Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:26:19 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am considering a tattoo...
> >>>
> >>> That would have the opposite effect. They would treat you based
> >>> on the fact that you're a complete nut-case and are out of your
> >>> mind.
> >>
> >> The only nut cases are people like you who think you have a right to
> >> force your beliefs on me. You are no different than the islamic nut
> >> cases trying to force their beliefs on all of us.
> >
> > Another ****-poor example. I'm not forcing any beliefs on you at
> > all, I'm just trying to understand them. The only belief I've
> > expressed is that I think you're a few kernels shy of a cob
> > (ObFood).
> >
> > Speaking of which, I've got some of the bi-color corn for dinner
> > tontight. This is usually awesome corn.
> >
> > -sw
>
> Ok, what exactly is this bi-coloured corn. As opposed to peaches and cream.
> I've seen it advertised and wondered.
>
> e.

Bicolored corn has both white & yellow kernals.

Sky

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:09:20 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 GMT, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Steve Wertz wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:52:15 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
>> >> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
>> >> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
>> >> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
>> >> > weapon.
>> >>
>> >> Do you have this directive tattooed on your chest?
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >
>> >No, it's on a card in my wallet in detail and also summarized on the
>> >back of my drivers license. I'm considering tattooing it as well.
>>
>> man, that will really get the chicks! will it be above or below the
>> heart with 'mom' inside?
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>More idiotic comments. See how idiotic you consider my Advance Medical
>Directive when you find yourself in a state similar to poor Mrs. Schivo,
>or worse.

you 'advance medical directive' has nothing in common with poor mrs.
schiavo. (yes, you misspelled her name, oh Overeducated One.) it's
easy enough to place in writing that you have no wish to be maintained
in a persistent vegetative state and tell your next of kin. not many
people are idiotic enough to refuse medical treatment if they fall
down unconscious for no apparent reason. hence my 'idiotic' comments.

but knock yourself out, as they say. one pretentious twit more or
less isn't going to affect me any. (also your evident relish in the
prospect of doctors being severely punished if they presume to treat
you has very unpleasant psychological overtones. but you strike me as
an unpleasant guy.)

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:31:53 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Goomba38 wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> > As I've indicated, my directive is summarized on the back of my drivers
>> > license, in an area reserved for medical directive info, and is in full
>> > detail on a card located right next to the license. I am considering a
>> > tattoo, however what I've done so far is already more burden than can
>> > reasonably expected of me. As I said, anyone who violates my directive
>> > will be punished severely.
>>
>> feh. I can see it now. When you're there struggling to breath or in
>> severe. pain you'll be begging for care then.... no matter what your
>> drivers license may say. Even people who think they are ready to die,
>> often change their mind when it comes down to it....
>
>More self serving bullshit. I wholly reject your medical machine - deal
>with it.

the lonely heroically intellectual role appeals to you, doesn't it?
most people grow out of the idea that they are smarter than everyone
else.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:09:20 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >blake murphy wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:34 GMT, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Steve Wertz wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:52:15 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
> >> >> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
> >> >> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
> >> >> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
> >> >> > weapon.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have this directive tattooed on your chest?
> >> >>
> >> >> -sw
> >> >
> >> >No, it's on a card in my wallet in detail and also summarized on the
> >> >back of my drivers license. I'm considering tattooing it as well.
> >>
> >> man, that will really get the chicks! will it be above or below the
> >> heart with 'mom' inside?
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> >More idiotic comments. See how idiotic you consider my Advance Medical
> >Directive when you find yourself in a state similar to poor Mrs. Schivo,
> >or worse.
>
> you 'advance medical directive' has nothing in common with poor mrs.
> schiavo. (yes, you misspelled her name, oh Overeducated One.) it's
> easy enough to place in writing that you have no wish to be maintained
> in a persistent vegetative state and tell your next of kin. not many
> people are idiotic enough to refuse medical treatment if they fall
> down unconscious for no apparent reason. hence my 'idiotic' comments.
>
> but knock yourself out, as they say. one pretentious twit more or
> less isn't going to affect me any. (also your evident relish in the
> prospect of doctors being severely punished if they presume to treat
> you has very unpleasant psychological overtones. but you strike me as
> an unpleasant guy.)
>
> your pal,
> blake


BS. An Advance Medical Directive can take the place of a "living will",
but is more comprehensive as it covers your wishes for situations beyond
vegetative states. Everyone should have an Advance Medical Directive
regardless of what directives they may wish.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:31:53 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Goomba38 wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >> > As I've indicated, my directive is summarized on the back of my drivers
> >> > license, in an area reserved for medical directive info, and is in full
> >> > detail on a card located right next to the license. I am considering a
> >> > tattoo, however what I've done so far is already more burden than can
> >> > reasonably expected of me. As I said, anyone who violates my directive
> >> > will be punished severely.
> >>
> >> feh. I can see it now. When you're there struggling to breath or in
> >> severe. pain you'll be begging for care then.... no matter what your
> >> drivers license may say. Even people who think they are ready to die,
> >> often change their mind when it comes down to it....
> >
> >More self serving bullshit. I wholly reject your medical machine - deal
> >with it.
>
> the lonely heroically intellectual role appeals to you, doesn't it?
> most people grow out of the idea that they are smarter than everyone
> else.
>
> your pal,
> blake

More pathetic attempts to try to justify forcing your medical machine on
others.