Pete C. wrote:
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:12:33 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around
>>> their medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can
>>> happen without one.
>>
>> So if an ambulance shows up while your unconscious and bleeding,
>> they'll just read the tattoo on your chest and drive away.
>>
>> Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort
> to insure that information is available to them. If they aren't
> properly trained, they will pay the price for their assault.

Pete speaks as if he's about 20 years old. He has no idea what would happen
if he were transported via ambulance (unconscious) to an emergency room.
They aren't going to search his wallet for a DNR. First priority would be
to get him there in stable condition. It's going to be an after the fact
thing to figure out even who his next of kin is, let alone his last wishes
and a DNR.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:12:33 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around
> >>> their medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can
> >>> happen without one.
> >>
> >> So if an ambulance shows up while your unconscious and bleeding,
> >> they'll just read the tattoo on your chest and drive away.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort
> > to insure that information is available to them. If they aren't
> > properly trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>
> Pete speaks as if he's about 20 years old. He has no idea what would happen
> if he were transported via ambulance (unconscious) to an emergency room.
> They aren't going to search his wallet for a DNR. First priority would be
> to get him there in stable condition. It's going to be an after the fact
> thing to figure out even who his next of kin is, let alone his last wishes
> and a DNR.
>
> Jill

Um, no, I'm 37. If they do assault me against the abundantly clear
instructions in my readily available medical directive, they will pay
the price. It is my understanding that they are trained to check for
directives, just as they are trained to check for religion before
transfusions. In any case it doesn't matter, assault is assault and they
will not get away unpunished. I've already gone beyond what should
reasonably expected of me to make my wishes clear.

On 2007-08-24, Pete C. > wrote:

> I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort to
> insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
> trained, they will pay the price for their assault.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2007-08-24, Pete C. > wrote:
>
> > I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort to
> > insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
> > trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>
> Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
>
> nb

No.

Pete C. wrote:

>
> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
> medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen without
> one.


Emergency Medical Team Member #1: Hey, this guy is bleeding to death,
treat him quick.

Member #2: Wait! His medical directive says not to treat unless he
gives consent. He ain't gonna live long enough to give consent with
that bleeder.

Member 1: Okay, let's go get a cup of coffee. Wouldn't want to upset
him....

WTF?


gloria p

Puester wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
> > medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen without
> > one.
>
> Emergency Medical Team Member #1: Hey, this guy is bleeding to death,
> treat him quick.
>
> Member #2: Wait! His medical directive says not to treat unless he
> gives consent. He ain't gonna live long enough to give consent with
> that bleeder.
>
> Member 1: Okay, let's go get a cup of coffee. Wouldn't want to upset
> him....
>
> WTF?
>
> gloria p

My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
treatment is refused.

Pete C. wrote:

> Puester wrote:
> >
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around
> > > their medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can
> > > happen without one.
> >
> > Emergency Medical Team Member #1: Hey, this guy is bleeding to
> > death, treat him quick.
> >
> > Member #2: Wait! His medical directive says not to treat unless he
> > gives consent. He ain't gonna live long enough to give consent with
> > that bleeder.
> >
> > Member 1: Okay, let's go get a cup of coffee. Wouldn't want to
> > upset him....

> My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> treatment is refused.

So you'd prefer to die of something relatively minor, like heat stroke
or allergic reaction?

For the record, if I'm unconscious, I WANT MEDICAL TREATMENT!!!!! Give
me all you got, and some of that guy's too.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> Puester wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
>> > medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen
>> > without
>> > one.
>>
>> Emergency Medical Team Member #1: Hey, this guy is bleeding to death,
>> treat him quick.
>>
>> Member #2: Wait! His medical directive says not to treat unless he
>> gives consent. He ain't gonna live long enough to give consent with
>> that bleeder.
>>
>> Member 1: Okay, let's go get a cup of coffee. Wouldn't want to upset
>> him....
>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> gloria p
>
> My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> treatment is refused.

Er....where do you keep your directive? When you're conscious, that is....

e.

Default User wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Puester wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete C. wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around
> > > > their medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can
> > > > happen without one.
> > >
> > > Emergency Medical Team Member #1: Hey, this guy is bleeding to
> > > death, treat him quick.
> > >
> > > Member #2: Wait! His medical directive says not to treat unless he
> > > gives consent. He ain't gonna live long enough to give consent with
> > > that bleeder.
> > >
> > > Member 1: Okay, let's go get a cup of coffee. Wouldn't want to
> > > upset him....
>
> > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> > treatment is refused.
>
> So you'd prefer to die of something relatively minor, like heat stroke
> or allergic reaction?

Yes.

>
> For the record, if I'm unconscious, I WANT MEDICAL TREATMENT!!!!! Give
> me all you got, and some of that guy's too.

That's fine if it is your choice. It is not my choice.

>
> Brian
>
> --
> If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
> won't shut up.
> -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

elaine wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Puester wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
> >> > medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen
> >> > without
> >> > one.
> >>
> >> Emergency Medical Team Member #1: Hey, this guy is bleeding to death,
> >> treat him quick.
> >>
> >> Member #2: Wait! His medical directive says not to treat unless he
> >> gives consent. He ain't gonna live long enough to give consent with
> >> that bleeder.
> >>
> >> Member 1: Okay, let's go get a cup of coffee. Wouldn't want to upset
> >> him....
> >>
> >> WTF?
> >>
> >> gloria p
> >
> > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> > treatment is refused.
>
> Er....where do you keep your directive? When you're conscious, that is....
>
> e.

As I already noted, it is summarized on the back of my drivers license
(in an area reserved for a medical directive) and it is in detail on a
card kept right next to that license.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...


>
> And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what they
> are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
> diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
>
> Pete C.

Semi educated? Are you fully educated?

Paco's Tacos wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >
> > And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what they
> > are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
> > diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> Semi educated? Are you fully educated?

No, I'm over educated.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> Paco's Tacos wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> >
>> > And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what
>> > they
>> > are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
>> > diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
>> >
>> > Pete C.
>>
>> Semi educated? Are you fully educated?
>
> No, I'm over educated.

Hmm, wasn't quite sure that was possible. Are you related to Sheldon?

Paco's Tacos wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Paco's Tacos wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what
> >> > they
> >> > are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
> >> > diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
> >> >
> >> > Pete C.
> >>
> >> Semi educated? Are you fully educated?
> >
> > No, I'm over educated.
>
> Hmm, wasn't quite sure that was possible. Are you related to Sheldon?

Fortunately, no.

Pete C. wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> >
> > Pete C. wrote:


> > > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all
> > > medical treatment is refused.
> >
> > So you'd prefer to die of something relatively minor, like heat
> > stroke or allergic reaction?
>
> Yes.

Wow. Dumb. Sorry, but it is. I'm not going to sugar-coat it with, "well
your choice is yours, blah blah blah." That's a dumb choice.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Pete C. wrote:

> If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
> emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
> pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
> explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
> weapon.


oh good grief. I hope that medical directive is tattooed to your chest
or easily found when you're unable to speak for yourself. Otherwise
there is implied consent that you want to be cared for.

Pete C. wrote:

> My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> treatment is refused.

I question how legal that is. Really. And how long it will take for
your family to sue after your death for lack of care? It happens.
I'm also curious as to how legal your document is? Did a lawyer draw
that up or is it something you penned on your own?

Pete C. wrote:
> Paco's Tacos wrote:
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what they
>>> are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
>>> diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
>>>
>>> Pete C.
>> Semi educated? Are you fully educated?
>
> No, I'm over educated.

no, you sound fully paranoid.

On Aug 23, 3:06 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > How much Jell-O can one consume in a
> >> single hospital stay? And why is it always the green stuff? Was
> >> there a sale on green Jell-O 40 years ago? Just curious... it seems
> >> to show up everywhere, sometimes with shredded carrots in it,
> >> sometimes pineapple chunks. Sometimes all by itself. It's like
> >> that science fiction film 'The Blob'.
>
> > If that is a serious question... I'll give you one reason. Red jello
> > can sometimes mimic blood a bit when suctioned out of lungs or
> > vomited. Yellow, orange and green are less deceptive. At least at my
> > hospital they provide the yellow, orange and green flavors for
> > "variety."
>
> When I was in the hospital for 5 days following my surgery, the hospital had
> a retaurant style menu we could order from. They had everythng from salads,
> soup, sandwiches, to steak, pizza and pasta. I only ordered two bowls of
> soup the whole time, though.
>
> Still, it was nice to have options.

They let you order two of things. When I was in the hospital, I
ordered double portions of lots of the stuff. I was 14 years old, a
growing boy, and very hungry. Also, I think I didn't eat for several
days at the beginning of my stay, so I was catching up. I get a lot
less picky when the choices are slim and I'm really hungry.
>
> kili

--Bryan

Default User wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Default User wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete C. wrote:
>
> > > > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all
> > > > medical treatment is refused.
> > >
> > > So you'd prefer to die of something relatively minor, like heat
> > > stroke or allergic reaction?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Wow. Dumb. Sorry, but it is. I'm not going to sugar-coat it with, "well
> your choice is yours, blah blah blah." That's a dumb choice.
>
> Brian
>
> --
> If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
> won't shut up.
> -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

No, it's a safe choice. Apparently unlike most people, I don't fear
death, what I do fear is becoming yet another victim of the medical
machine so I make the only safe choice.

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> > treatment is refused.
>
> I question how legal that is. Really. And how long it will take for
> your family to sue after your death for lack of care? It happens.
> I'm also curious as to how legal your document is? Did a lawyer draw
> that up or is it something you penned on your own?

My only family is my mother, and she is more than well aware of my
directive. As for legality, the last time I checked I did indeed have
the right to refuse treatment. When the government tries to take away
your right to make your own medical decisions, it is time for a full
scale revolution (hint to pro choice folks).

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > If they consult my medical directive, they won't be taking me to any
> > emergency room. If they don't consult my medical directive, they will
> > pay the price later. Treatment without consent (and my medical directive
> > explicitly denies consent) is assault, potentially assault with a deadly
> > weapon.
>
> oh good grief. I hope that medical directive is tattooed to your chest
> or easily found when you're unable to speak for yourself. Otherwise
> there is implied consent that you want to be cared for.

As I've indicated, my directive is summarized on the back of my drivers
license, in an area reserved for medical directive info, and is in full
detail on a card located right next to the license. I am considering a
tattoo, however what I've done so far is already more burden than can
reasonably expected of me. As I said, anyone who violates my directive
will be punished severely.

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Paco's Tacos wrote:
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what they
> >>> are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
> >>> diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.
> >>>
> >>> Pete C.
> >> Semi educated? Are you fully educated?
> >
> > No, I'm over educated.
>
> no, you sound fully paranoid.

Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
threat.

On 2007-08-25, Pete C. > wrote:

> Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
> threat.

With any luck at all, you'll be killed outright and no one will have
to listen to all this crap. The sooner, the better.

nb

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:24:38 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:12:33 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
> >>> medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen without
> >>> one.
> >>
> >> So if an ambulance shows up while your unconscious and bleeding,
> >> they'll just read the tattoo on your chest and drive away.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
> >
> > I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort to
> > insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
> > trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>
> So if they save your life, you'll sue. Hey - why not, it's the
> American Way!
>
> -sw

"Saving my life" in no way justifies the assault against my clear
wishes. Suggesting that is as absurd as saying rape is ok as long as the
victim doesn't get pregnant.

"notbob" > wrote in message
. ..
> On 2007-08-25, Pete C. > wrote:
>
>> Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
>> threat.
>
> With any luck at all, you'll be killed outright and no one will have
> to listen to all this crap. The sooner, the better.

<G>

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:18:52 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > No, it's a safe choice. Apparently unlike most people, I don't fear
> > death, what I do fear is becoming yet another victim of the medical
> > machine so I make the only safe choice.
>
> Imagine how it would make someone feel if they could have saved
> your life with a simple smack on the back to dislodge that piece
> of hot dog, but instead they had to stand over you and watch you
> turn blue and die slowly by suffocating.
>
> And if they did save your life, then you'd sue them for assault.
>
> Damn. I wouldn't hang around you at all.
>
> -sw

That's a moronic claim, perhaps you should read up on what an advance
medical directive is and where it applies.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:02:18 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> > treatment is refused.
>
> I think they can over-ride that simply based on the fact that you
> may be out of your mind.
>
> -sw

No, they can not.

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort to
>> insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
>> trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
>
> So if they save your life, you'll sue. Hey - why not, it's the
> American Way!

LOL Probably the British way now as well

Pete C. said...

> As I said, anyone who violates my directive
> will be punished severely.


Oh yeah? By whom???

You and your "directive."

You need a bigger shovel and taller boots!

Andy

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:38:42 -0400, Goomba38 wrote:
>
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >
> >> My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all medical
> >> treatment is refused.
> >
> > I question how legal that is. Really. And how long it will take for
> > your family to sue after your death for lack of care? It happens.
>
> I doubt he has a legal leg to stand on. Physicians and emergency
> personnel have a duty to stabilize a patient in an emergency
> situation.
>
> And a DNR only prevents resuscitation efforts.

It's not a DNR, it is an Advance Medical Directive. It incorporates a
DNR, but is not the same thing.

>
> > I'm also curious as to how legal your document is?
>
> All a physician has to do is defend himself by reason of "sound
> mind and body" when the patient wrote that. Otherwise it's
> bordering on physician-assisted suicide.

No, it is an advance declaration exercising my right to refuse medical
treatment.

>
> The space on the back of the card is for a telephone number of an
> official authority (his lawyer or physician), not for
> hand-writing your own kookery.

You need to get a clue and try to comprehend what is being referenced.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:26:19 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > I am considering a tattoo...
>
> That would have the opposite effect. They would treat you based
> on the fact that you're a complete nut-case and are out of your
> mind.
>
> -sw

The only nut cases are people like you who think you have a right to
force your beliefs on me. You are no different than the islamic nut
cases trying to force their beliefs on all of us.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:27:01 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
> > threat.
>
> I think you've been reading to many Robin Cook novels.
>
> -sw

If you pay any attention to the real world, you'll recall that there was
a big issue a few years back where essentially a drug / medical company
was attempting to field test a blood substitute on the unsuspecting
public without informed consent by placing it on ambulances / with EMTs.
When word of this got out it was pretty thoroughly quashed, but it is
yet another example of the threat. Of course the whole Schivo (sp?) mess
was another example of the need for an advance medical directive.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:59:05 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >
> >> Imagine how it would make someone feel if they could have saved
> >> your life with a simple smack on the back to dislodge that piece
> >> of hot dog, but instead they had to stand over you and watch you
> >> turn blue and die slowly by suffocating.
> >>
> >> And if they did save your life, then you'd sue them for assault.
> >>
> >> Damn. I wouldn't hang around you at all.
> >
> > That's a moronic claim, perhaps you should read up on what an advance
> > medical directive is and where it applies.
>
> Huh? You've repeatedly said that, even when unconscious, you
> must be refused all medical treatment. That includes teh
> Heimlich and all other choking maneuvers.
>
> What did I miss that it somehow wouldn't apply in this
> circumstance?

Yes, you missed the fact that in a choking scenario, people rarely loose
consciousness immediately. You also miss the fact that it is entirely
possible to "Heimlich" yourself if you are sufficiently knowledgeable
and act quickly.

Steve Wertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:57:42 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:24:38 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve Wertz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:12:33 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes, it is something I carry around. Everyone should carry around their
> >>>>> medical directive, we've seen enough examples of what can happen without
> >>>>> one.
> >>>>
> >>>> So if an ambulance shows up while your unconscious and bleeding,
> >>>> they'll just read the tattoo on your chest and drive away.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
> >>>
> >>> I have an absolute right to refuse treatment and I've made the effort to
> >>> insure that information is available to them. If they aren't properly
> >>> trained, they will pay the price for their assault.
> >>
> >> So if they save your life, you'll sue. Hey - why not, it's the
> >> American Way!
> >
> > "Saving my life" in no way justifies the assault against my clear
> > wishes. Suggesting that is as absurd as saying rape is ok as long as the
> > victim doesn't get pregnant.
>
> Comparing rape to someone saving your life?

Comparing a violation of someone's body and rights to a violation of my
body and rights.

>
> That pretty much clears up any doubt whether you are of "sound
> mind and body". Clearly you aren't.

Clearly I am.

Pete C. wrote:
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:27:01 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
>>> threat.
>> I think you've been reading to many Robin Cook novels.
>>
>> -sw
>
> If you pay any attention to the real world, you'll recall that there was
> a big issue a few years back where essentially a drug / medical company
> was attempting to field test a blood substitute on the unsuspecting
> public without informed consent by placing it on ambulances / with EMTs.
> When word of this got out it was pretty thoroughly quashed, but it is
> yet another example of the threat. Of course the whole Schivo (sp?) mess
> was another example of the need for an advance medical directive.

Likely you have never been really sick. In the real world there are
certainly incompetents and pirates but there are also really smart and
decent people who know much more about biological concepts that you
could ever hope to understand. When the day comes when you have a real
health issue your thinking will be much different.

George wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Steve Wertz wrote:
> >> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:27:01 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nothing paranoid about taking steps to protect myself from a very real
> >>> threat.
> >> I think you've been reading to many Robin Cook novels.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > If you pay any attention to the real world, you'll recall that there was
> > a big issue a few years back where essentially a drug / medical company
> > was attempting to field test a blood substitute on the unsuspecting
> > public without informed consent by placing it on ambulances / with EMTs.
> > When word of this got out it was pretty thoroughly quashed, but it is
> > yet another example of the threat. Of course the whole Schivo (sp?) mess
> > was another example of the need for an advance medical directive.
>
> Likely you have never been really sick. In the real world there are
> certainly incompetents and pirates but there are also really smart and
> decent people who know much more about biological concepts that you
> could ever hope to understand. When the day comes when you have a real
> health issue your thinking will be much different.

No, my thinking will not be any different. I assess the risk of various
outcomes, and unlike a lot of people, I find there are a number of
potential outcomes that are far worse than death.

In article >,
"Default User" > wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Default User wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete C. wrote:
>
>
> > > > My directive specifically states that if I am unconscious all
> > > > medical treatment is refused.
> > >
> > > So you'd prefer to die of something relatively minor, like heat
> > > stroke or allergic reaction?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Wow. Dumb. Sorry, but it is. I'm not going to sugar-coat it with, "well
> your choice is yours, blah blah blah." That's a dumb choice.


I don't agree. Dumb is using illegal drugs when you know they will hurt
you. Dumb is driving drunk. Dumb is not making decisions when it will
adversely effect your life. Pete's decision isn't dumb. It has been
carefully thought out (it seems), and I think it should be his choice.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...

> And there is nothing at all strange about treating a doctor as what they
> are - a semi educated person trying to guess their way through most
> diagnosis while trying to keep their ego inflated.

Semi educated, huh? Four years college, 4 years medical school, 3-5 years
residency, 3 years fellowship.... I make that about 15 years post high
school education.

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"Pete C." > wrote in message
...

> No, I do all my electrical, plumbing and auto work myself. I'm cheaper,
> faster and do the work to a higher standard than nearly any electrician,
> plumber or auto mechanic I've found. The only exception I've found is
> the commercial electricians who work in the data centers where I work,
> and there they only match the quality of the work I do, not exceed it,
> and I'm still cheaper and faster.

You probably do DIY sex as well..... there clearly is no woman or man on
earth who would be up to your standards.........