"LynneA" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> In article >,
>> "LynneA" > wrote:
>>
>>> It's a beverage in my coffee<G> I drink a LOT of iced coffee in the
>>> summer.
>>> My darling daughter is now ovo-lacto, so milk is pretty prominent in her
>>> diet. Which is ok, I guess, since she can drink a gallon a day by
>>> herself<shudder>
>>>
>>> And I'm jealous of you. I really miss cream, butter, and cheese! And
>>> yogurt. Man, do I miss yogurt.
>>>
>>> Lynne A
>>>
>>
>> There is less lactose in cream and butter than there is in Milk.
>>
>> Why are you avoiding yogurt if you drink milk in your iced coffee?
>> Or am I mis-understanding something here?
>> --
>> Peace, Om
>
> Soy, rice, or almond milk in my coffee. I'm not intolerant, I'm allergic.
> And none too happy about it, may I add?LOL But I feel a lot better since
> I ditched all dairy, so I guess I'll quit whining now. ;>)
>
> Lynne A
>

Yes, there are other problems than gassing and bloating. I've seen young
women with red spots all over their arms - god knows where else -- that are
milk allergies.

You say that yogurt is a problem for you? Have you tried several brands?
Milk allergies are supposed not so prominent with eating yogurt. There is a
reason for that as written about here on rfc some months ago. Very
interesting.

DeeDee

"KIB" > wrote in message
...
> High calcium levels can be caused by Sarcoidosis also, which I have and
> not necessarily diet. My doctors monitor my calcium levels along with
> other tests to see how active it is. If your doctor is running blood
> tests you could always ask for an ACE (Angiotensin Converting Enzyme).
> ACE is primarily ordered to help diagnose and monitor sarcoidosis.

Very interesting, this sarcoidosis. Regarding high calcium levels, I spoke
with my doctor about this telling her that a 40-some year old chest exray
was shown to have granules indicating sarcoidosis. She said, well you don't
have symptoms, so you don't have it. I was thankful in that I did not want
a chest exray. It seems with this disease, there are a lot of other
diseases that it mimics.

I believe it is one of the diseases that is prevalent in the group of people
called Melungeons, if you have not heard of this.
Hope you are getting along fine.
Dee Dee

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "LynneA" > wrote:
>
>>
>> Soy, rice, or almond milk in my coffee. I'm not intolerant, I'm
>> allergic.
>> And none too happy about it, may I add?LOL But I feel a lot better since
>> I
>> ditched all dairy, so I guess I'll quit whining now. ;>)
>>
>> Lynne A
>>
>
> Oog, ok, I can empathize for sure.
>
> You miss cheese? Try Soy Kaas brand.
>
> When I was avoiding dairy fats for awhile, I found that one to be most
> satisfying.
>
> For "cream", take a look at coconut products instead of soy. Yum!
> --
> Peace, Om

I'll have to look for that, I haven't heard of it up till now. I will be
ordering some Sheeze once the weather cools off enough. It's supposed to
actually melt-we'll see<G>

I adore coconut! I want to try an *ice cream* recipe I found that uses
coconut milk intead of dairy, it sounds to DIE for. I try to take it easy
on the coconut, though, it's SO high fat. Although. Once I start the
Anabolic Diet, it's fair game!

Lynne A

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
...
>
> "LynneA" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Soy, rice, or almond milk in my coffee. I'm not intolerant, I'm
>> allergic. And none too happy about it, may I add?LOL But I feel a lot
>> better since I ditched all dairy, so I guess I'll quit whining now. ;>)
>>
>> Lynne A
>>
>
> Yes, there are other problems than gassing and bloating. I've seen young
> women with red spots all over their arms - god knows where else -- that
> are milk allergies.
>
> You say that yogurt is a problem for you? Have you tried several brands?
> Milk allergies are supposed not so prominent with eating yogurt. There is
> a reason for that as written about here on rfc some months ago. Very
> interesting.
>
> DeeDee
>
Exactly so, Dee! Rash and cystic acne and a horrible odour to my
breath<YUK>

I've heard the same about yogurt, but I want to wait a bit, until all my
symptoms have settled down, and then try it again. This is all very new to
me. I also will be trying goat cheese at some point since I have been told
that I may/may not be able to tolerate it. Here's hopin'!

Lynne A

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "LynneA" > wrote:
> >> >
>> > http://www.nextag.com/bulk-almonds/search-html
>> >
>> > ;-)
>> > --
>> > Peace, Om
>>
>> Thanks, Om! I'll have to look at the recipes I've seen for making
>> homemade
>> and see if I can figure out how it compares pricewise. Shipping might be
>> the deal-breaker, but I won't know till I do the math.
>>
>> Lynne A
>>
>
> I understand...
>
> Have you looked at coconuts yet?
> --
> Peace, Om

I've found a couple of sources for coconut powder, yep. As soon as $$$
loosens up I will invest, right now I just buy it by the can as needed.

Lynne A

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
...
>
> I just read an article yesterday about almonds. From what I understand
> they will be pasteurized from now on -- not made into milk and then
> pasteurized, but the whole almond. With the guidelines now in place, or
> almost-in-place as to GMO and irradiation, I wondered if this pasteurized
> is a euphamism in this case for irradiated, which granted, some say is a
> good thing ;-))
>
> But I believe there had been some problems with almonds in the last few
> years. I cannot recite it now, maybe someone else can who is interested
> in this sort of inquiry. But as a result I have cut back on my almond
> intake, and upped my intake of fish oil, being as careful as I can to buy
> fish oil from Norway and hoping they don't buy it from other suspect
> countries.
>
> Dee Dee


Because of salmonella. Myself, I wish they'd leave well enough alone. At
least for organics, my purchase of preference anyway. Which have not had
any salmonella outbreaks.

Lynne A

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> > Geez Dee Dee! If you need calcium, there is nothing wrong with pills!
> > Just be sure to take a balanced supplement, not calcium tabs. They work
> > better. The ones I take work great according to my blood levels.
> >
> > "Now" brand "Full spectrum Minerals". They are not expensive either.
>
> Om, I had been taking calcium supplements, did a lot of homework on them.
> The last dexascan in 2006 my bone density had risen up to the point of
> almost normal, but still diagnosed as osteopenia, (a warning!) and in the
> span of 2 years before it has gone up 6%. That's pretty good for a person
> my age. But in January I will have another Dexascan to see where I am. The
> doctor suggested I cut back cheese and ice cream and whole milk because of
> cholesterol, and on that I have done pretty good, but not totally on my good
> behavior.
>
> But cheese and bread, I could live on it -- you can guess what my favorite
> book was when I was a kid. HEIDI.
> Dee Dee

Calcium supplements are worthless...

After having some serious Calcium deficiency problems several years ago
(early 30's), I consulted with an MD that specialized in sports
nutrition. I was lifting heavy weights at the time and experiencing
Quadricep cramps from time to time. (Talk about serious pain!!!)

I'd tried several different calcium formulas.

Cohen told me that my problem is that I was taking CALCIUM. He said that
it needs to be balanced. Calcium/magnesium/phosphorous have to be in a
set ratio to be absorbed and used properly.

I should have learned that when I was rehabbing baby birds. Their
mineral BALANCE is critical due to their ungodly metabolic rate. Many
baby birds go from hatching to flight in under 4 weeks!

He said to take a balanced mineral supplement that included all three
and it was even better if it was a mixed mineral supplement. That is why
I recommended that one in my post.

I've not had a leg cramp one since I started using it, even with a high
protein diet that tends to cause an increase in renal calcium loss.

Dr. Cohen was right.

:-)

It's one of the reasons dairy calcium works. It's not JUST calcium. If
you wish to avoid the drawbacks of a high dairy diet (for me it's milk
sugar/Lactose), take a balanced mineral supplement. "Now" and "Twinlabs"
both make a good one.

I use "Now" and my serum Calcium/Phosphorous levels are always in normal
range. I still have to supplement additional Magnesium, but that is a
separate problem, probably not one you have to worry about.
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In article >,
"LynneA" > wrote:

> I'll have to look for that, I haven't heard of it up till now. I will be
> ordering some Sheeze once the weather cools off enough. It's supposed to
> actually melt-we'll see<G>

Soy Kaas was one of the few I found that actually did melt.
I found it at Whole Foods and Central Market.

Hm. Having trouble googling it. Looks like I mis-spelled it. Soya Kaas
but I'm wondering if it's not made any more. Bummer if it's not. :-(
>
> I adore coconut! I want to try an *ice cream* recipe I found that uses
> coconut milk intead of dairy, it sounds to DIE for. I try to take it easy
> on the coconut, though, it's SO high fat. Although. Once I start the
> Anabolic Diet, it's fair game!
>
> Lynne A

I'd rather use coconut milk than soy milk, but that's a personal
preference. ;-)
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Dee Dee" > wrote:
>
>> > "Now" brand "Full spectrum Minerals". They are not expensive either.
>>
>> Om, I had been taking calcium supplements, did a lot of homework on them.
>> Dee Dee
>
> Calcium supplements are worthless...
>
> After having some serious Calcium deficiency problems several years ago
> (early 30's), I consulted with an MD that specialized in sports
> nutrition. I was lifting heavy weights at the time and experiencing
> Quadricep cramps from time to time. (Talk about serious pain!!!)
>
> I'd tried several different calcium formulas.
>
> Cohen told me that my problem is that I was taking CALCIUM. He said that
> it needs to be balanced. Calcium/magnesium/phosphorous have to be in a
> set ratio to be absorbed and used properly.
>
> I should have learned that when I was rehabbing baby birds. Their
> mineral BALANCE is critical due to their ungodly metabolic rate. Many
> baby birds go from hatching to flight in under 4 weeks!
>
> He said to take a balanced mineral supplement that included all three
> and it was even better if it was a mixed mineral supplement. That is why
> I recommended that one in my post.
>
> I've not had a leg cramp one since I started using it, even with a high
> protein diet that tends to cause an increase in renal calcium loss.
>
> Dr. Cohen was right.
>
> :-)
>
> It's one of the reasons dairy calcium works. It's not JUST calcium. If
> you wish to avoid the drawbacks of a high dairy diet (for me it's milk
> sugar/Lactose), take a balanced mineral supplement. "Now" and "Twinlabs"
> both make a good one.
>
> I use "Now" and my serum Calcium/Phosphorous levels are always in normal
> range. I still have to supplement additional Magnesium, but that is a
> separate problem, probably not one you have to worry about.
> --
> Peace, Om

Yes, I agree with everything you said above. When I said calcium
supplements, I meant a well-balanced group of minerals.

There was a bunch of citations years ago -- perhaps it's still valid, that
B-vitamins if not taken in a correct balance will create a deficit in
another particular B-vitamin. I have not read this in the last decade,
nor can I find any mention of it, but it was in literature.


I'm not saying that is true with calcium/phosphorous/etc.mineral tabs, that
if they are not completely balanced that they will create an imbalance as I
stated above.

But even at that, if one is eating at all, I would think that one would
create an imbalance by the mere fact that one perhaps eats something with
some of those three that you mentioned -- or for that matter, any other
touted 'balanced' supplement.

Even though I've taken 'balanced' tabs, I've always thought this strange.
One other reason that made me think about it is that I've for the past 10
years I've purchased every tablet separately in order to balance out my
intake. This has not been an easy task; and believe me if I were in another
state of mind; i.e., not post cancer, I wouldn't have even considered it.
But the vitamin and food world has been learning experience for me.

But I don't think one is really capable of determining the other food intake
that may contribute to an imbalance, in spite of taking a balanced formula.

OB: FOOD: Just finished a salad garden grown basil, tomatoes with plenty of
juice, 100% grain bread soaked in the tomato juice, parm regg (not too much
of,) some great Italian olives. Soooo happy.
Dee Dee

"LynneA" > wrote in message
...

>> You say that yogurt is a problem for you? Have you tried several brands?
>> Milk allergies are supposed not so prominent with eating yogurt. There
>> is a reason for that as written about here on rfc some months ago. Very
>> interesting.
>>
>> DeeDee
>>
> Exactly so, Dee! Rash and cystic acne and a horrible odour to my
> breath<YUK>
>
> I've heard the same about yogurt, but I want to wait a bit, until all my
> symptoms have settled down, and then try it again. This is all very new
> to me. I also will be trying goat cheese at some point since I have been
> told that I may/may not be able to tolerate it. Here's hopin'!
>
> Lynne A

Umm - I love goat cheese - Hope you'll be able to do it.
Dee Dee

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:34:07 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>But cheese and bread, I could live on it -- you can guess what my favorite
>book was when I was a kid. HEIDI.

Heidi is such a lovely book and one of my favorites. It made me want
to drink goats milk and eat goat cheese and spend all day hiking the
mountains with the goat herder and sleep on a bed of straw at night. I
remember the taste of goats milk was described as tasting like milk
with sugar and cinnamon added. I wish I liked goat cheese. I try
it again every so often to see if my tastes have changed, just for
Heidi's sake.

Tara

wrote:
> I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
> intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
> doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
> and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
> drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a
> few gallons of it over the last few years and never had any problems.
> However now that I heard this thing about breasts I tend to wonder if
> this could be true. Actually I thought it was a joke until I read the
> container and it says "phytoesrogens help releive menopausal
> symptoms". That does sound like there may be some truth to this. I
> have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

The next time I'm in his office, I'll try to remember to ask my doctor,
James Milo "Big Titties" Sorensen.


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roy__ wrote:
> I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
> intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk.

Hey, if you drink soy milk and grow breasts your cow milk intolerance
problem is over... you can just latch on whenever, guilt free.

ShelDon

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "LynneA" > wrote:
>
>> I'll have to look for that, I haven't heard of it up till now. I will be
>> ordering some Sheeze once the weather cools off enough. It's supposed to
>> actually melt-we'll see<G>
>
> Soy Kaas was one of the few I found that actually did melt.
> I found it at Whole Foods and Central Market.
>
> Hm. Having trouble googling it. Looks like I mis-spelled it. Soya Kaas
> but I'm wondering if it's not made any more. Bummer if it's not. :-(
>>
>> I adore coconut! I want to try an *ice cream* recipe I found that uses
>> coconut milk intead of dairy, it sounds to DIE for. I try to take it
>> easy
>> on the coconut, though, it's SO high fat. Although. Once I start the
>> Anabolic Diet, it's fair game!
>>
>> Lynne A
>
> I'd rather use coconut milk than soy milk, but that's a personal
> preference. ;-)
> --
> Peace, Om

Well, if not, what can ya do? Thanks for looking, though, I do appreciate
it. What I don't get is all the *vegetarian* cheeses that use casein or
whey. Who is eating that? Vegans won't touch it, nor will those with dairy
allergies, and vegetarians can eat GOOD cheese. Whatever!LOL

I use everything but dairy, in moderation. So one day it might be soy milk,
another time rice or almond, or coconut. Really depends on what it is, too.
Almond milk is excellent in anything sweet, plain rice or soy is good for
savories, and coconut is just damned good! And the cream on the top reminds
me of my beloved cream on the top yogurt-scrape it off with a spoon and make
yourself sick eating such richness<G>

Lynne A

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
...
>
> Umm - I love goat cheese - Hope you'll be able to do it.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>
Me too, I have always LOVED cheese. A really sharp Irish cheddar being the
favorite. I've heard goat cheese is tangy, so I should like it as long as
it likes me.

Lynne A

> wrote in message
...
>I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
> intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
> doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
> and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
> drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a
> few gallons of it over the last few years and never had any problems.
> However now that I heard this thing about breasts I tend to wonder if
> this could be true. Actually I thought it was a joke until I read the
> container and it says "phytoesrogens help releive menopausal
> symptoms". That does sound like there may be some truth to this. I
> have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

I personally think soy is bad for a lot of reasons. For one thing, most of
it is GMO. It can also exacerbate thyroid problems. I used to consume
quite a lot of it in the form of Tiger's Milk bars, roasted soynuts, canned
soybeans, Edamame and Bocca burgers. Then there's the soybean oil that's in
everything! I totally quit the soy except for some things that have soy
lecithin (also have an egg allergy and most lecithin comes from one or the
other) and my thyroid problem went away. Daughter is also allergic to soy
as well as dairy.

Daughter uses rice milk. She likes it. For baking we use Vance's Dari
Replacer. I buy it online. There's also almond milk or hazelnut milk.

I can't say for sure one way or the other if soy would make men grow
breasts. But I've seen evidence that it could and I've got enough other
stuff against it that I just wouldn't use it.

"LynneA" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dee Dee" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Umm - I love goat cheese - Hope you'll be able to do it.
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
> Me too, I have always LOVED cheese. A really sharp Irish cheddar being
> the favorite. I've heard goat cheese is tangy, so I should like it as
> long as it likes me.
>
> Lynne A
>
Yes, to me, the tangy-ness is very similar to a thick strained yogurt, but
the cheese is smoother.
Dee Dee

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> Why don't you just take a balanced mineral supplement that contains
> Calcium? There are several on the market. I personally use "Now" brand
> full spectrum minerals. Take them with meals.
>
> I never drink any milk any more and only eat a small amount of dairy
> products (cheese, yogurt and cottage cheese) when I am in the mood for
> them.
>
> If you do some googling, you will find the opinions on the effects of
> phytoestrogens in Soy to be a hotly debated topic.
>
> I think the jury is still out on that one.
>
> Discover http://www.google.com
> It is your friend. ;-)

Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard cut
into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat it.
I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in salads.

"Dee Dee" > wrote in message
...

> Cannot you make yourself almond milk.. I'm not sure -- perhaps too gritty?

You can. They sell nut milk bags. I frequent a raw food forum and from
what I have read there it sounds easy to make. Don't know the particulars
though since I am allergic to almonds.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news:gQKAi.32$J65.29@trndny08...
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news >
>> Why don't you just take a balanced mineral supplement that contains
>> Calcium? There are several on the market. I personally use "Now" brand
>> full spectrum minerals. Take them with meals.
>>
>> I never drink any milk any more and only eat a small amount of dairy
>> products (cheese, yogurt and cottage cheese) when I am in the mood for
>> them.
>>
>> If you do some googling, you will find the opinions on the effects of
>> phytoestrogens in Soy to be a hotly debated topic.
>>
>> I think the jury is still out on that one.
>>
>> Discover http://www.google.com
>> It is your friend. ;-)
>
> Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
> cut into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will
> eat it. I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good
> in salads.


I do this with sorrel - it goes into lots of my cooked dishes. I even have
it on BLT instead of lettuce.
Dee Dee

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news:GOKAi.20$Lz5.15@trndny04...
>
> I personally think soy is bad for a lot of reasons. For one thing, most
> of it is GMO. It can also exacerbate thyroid problems. I used to consume
> quite a lot of it in the form of Tiger's Milk bars, roasted soynuts,
> canned soybeans, Edamame and Bocca burgers. Then there's the soybean oil
> that's in everything! I totally quit the soy except for some things that
> have soy lecithin (also have an egg allergy and most lecithin comes from
> one or the other) and my thyroid problem went away. Daughter is also
> allergic to soy as well as dairy.
>
> Daughter uses rice milk. She likes it. For baking we use Vance's Dari
> Replacer. I buy it online. There's also almond milk or hazelnut milk.
>
> I can't say for sure one way or the other if soy would make men grow
> breasts. But I've seen evidence that it could and I've got enough other
> stuff against it that I just wouldn't use it.


I've heard an interview with the author, but have not read it. It's for
sale at Amazon:
"The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food" by
Kaayla T. Daniel

Dee Dee

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> Yes, I agree with everything you said above. When I said calcium
> supplements, I meant a well-balanced group of minerals.
>
> There was a bunch of citations years ago -- perhaps it's still valid, that
> B-vitamins if not taken in a correct balance will create a deficit in
> another particular B-vitamin. I have not read this in the last decade,
> nor can I find any mention of it, but it was in literature.

I just take B-complex.

>
>
> I'm not saying that is true with calcium/phosphorous/etc.mineral tabs, that
> if they are not completely balanced that they will create an imbalance as I
> stated above.
>
> But even at that, if one is eating at all, I would think that one would
> create an imbalance by the mere fact that one perhaps eats something with
> some of those three that you mentioned -- or for that matter, any other
> touted 'balanced' supplement.

Hard to say. I've recently read about an issue with Copper and Zinc, but
I'd have to look it up.

>
> Even though I've taken 'balanced' tabs, I've always thought this strange.
> One other reason that made me think about it is that I've for the past 10
> years I've purchased every tablet separately in order to balance out my
> intake. This has not been an easy task; and believe me if I were in another
> state of mind; i.e., not post cancer, I wouldn't have even considered it.
> But the vitamin and food world has been learning experience for me.

I so totally understand. ;-)

>
> But I don't think one is really capable of determining the other food intake
> that may contribute to an imbalance, in spite of taking a balanced formula.

There is still no pill substitute for a healthy diet, but we both know
that. <g>

>
> OB: FOOD: Just finished a salad garden grown basil, tomatoes with plenty of
> juice, 100% grain bread soaked in the tomato juice, parm regg (not too much
> of,) some great Italian olives. Soooo happy.
> Dee Dee

Sounds mahvelous!
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In article <gQKAi.32$J65.29@trndny08>,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard cut
> into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat it.
> I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in salads.

Swiss Chard is my #1 favorite green. ;-d
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In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> > Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
> > cut into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will
> > eat it. I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good
> > in salads.
>
>
> I do this with sorrel - it goes into lots of my cooked dishes. I even have
> it on BLT instead of lettuce.
> Dee Dee
>

I have a lot of sorrel growing wild.
I'll admit to not having tried to use it a lot.

Like Purslane, that might be fixin' to change. :-)
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article <gQKAi.32$J65.29@trndny08>,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
>> cut
>> into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat
>> it.
>> I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in
>> salads.
>
> Swiss Chard is my #1 favorite green. ;-d
> --
> Peace, Om

Used to be mine, too. Don't know what happened -- perhaps it's the problem
of digesting it.
One last time I used it in a lasagna - how gaggy! I couldn't eat it. What
gave me the idea of using it instead of spinach -- totally different taste.
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article <gQKAi.32$J65.29@trndny08>,
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >
> >> Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
> >> cut
> >> into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat
> >> it.
> >> I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in
> >> salads.
> >
> > Swiss Chard is my #1 favorite green. ;-d
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> Used to be mine, too. Don't know what happened -- perhaps it's the problem
> of digesting it.
> One last time I used it in a lasagna - how gaggy! I couldn't eat it. What
> gave me the idea of using it instead of spinach -- totally different taste.
> Dee Dee

Maybe slicing it finer to help with digestion?

A lot of people don't chew their food well enough.
That is one thing I try to focus on more.

Eat SLOWER, no "wolfing".

Helps with digestion, and eating less for weight control.
Slower eating helps with satiation for eating less volume.

One of the things about working nights, it will often take me 2 to 3
hours to consume a meal. :-) There are only two of us working the lab.
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I believe this is actually true (to some extent). I have a friend who's
son (who was maybe 5 or 6 at the time) started developing little breasts
- turned out it was the soy milk he was drinking.

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> wrote:
>> I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
>> drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
>> like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
>> intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
>> doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
>> and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
>> drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a
>> few gallons of it over the last few years and never had any problems.
>> However now that I heard this thing about breasts I tend to wonder if
>> this could be true. Actually I thought it was a joke until I read the
>> container and it says "phytoesrogens help releive menopausal
>> symptoms". That does sound like there may be some truth to this. I
>> have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?
>
> The next time I'm in his office, I'll try to remember to ask my doctor,
> James Milo "Big Titties" Sorensen.
>
>

Sharon V wrote:
> I believe this is actually true (to some extent). I have a friend who's
> son (who was maybe 5 or 6 at the time) started developing little breasts
> - turned out it was the soy milk he was drinking.

Gynecomastica has been in existance for a LOT longer than we have been
drinking soymilk.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
>> A lot of people don't chew their food well enough.
> That is one thing I try to focus on more.
>
> Eat SLOWER, no "wolfing".
>
> Helps with digestion, and eating less for weight control.
> Slower eating helps with satiation for eating less volume.
>
> One of the things about working nights, it will often take me 2 to 3
> hours to consume a meal. :-) There are only two of us working the lab.
>
How big is that meal, anyway? ;-)

I take so long to eat a meal, that I'm ready for the next meal by the time
I'm finished.
Wolfing and howling,
Dee Dee

> like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
> intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
> doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
> and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
> drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a

Soy milk is not a good source of calcium (unless it is calcium
fortified). Instead, drink lassi made with probiotic yogurt (safe for
lactose intolerance). It contains more calcium than milk.

1 cup milk: 113 mg calcium (11% daily value)
1 cup soy milk: 38 mg calcium (4% daily value)
1 cup lassi: 150 mg calcium (15% daily value)


Sweet Lassi

Yield: 2 servings of about 1 cups
Food cost per portion: $0.35
Source: http://www.cuisinecuisine.com/Lassi.htm

1 cup yogurt
1/2 cup water
1/2 cup ice cubes
3 to 5 teaspoons sugar
A pinch salt
A dollop plain yogurt for ganishing

Blend all the ingredients at high speed till frothy.
Add a dollop of fresh yogurt on top.
Makes two to three glasses of Lassi.

Nutritional facts per serving (daily value): Calories 115kcal; Protein
4g (9%); Total Fat 4g (6%)(Sat. 3g (13%)); Chol. 16mg (5%); Carb. 16g
(5%); Fiber 0g (0%); Sugars 16g; Calcium 150mg (15%); Iron 0mg (0%)
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Mite

On Aug 27, 1:48 am, wrote:
> I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.

COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
trips.

>
> Roy

--Bryan, who could not resist posting the above

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:55:28 GMT, "Robert L Bass"
> wrote:

>> Recently I was told that men should not drink
>> soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen
>> or something like that in it which will cause men
>> to grow breasts...
>
>Roy,
>
>There's nothing to worry about. I've been drinking soy milk
>for over 10 years. My bra size has not increased at all. :^)
>
>Robert

let's make sure. come over here and let me feel you up.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
Goomba38 > wrote:

> Sharon V wrote:
> > I believe this is actually true (to some extent). I have a friend who's
> > son (who was maybe 5 or 6 at the time) started developing little breasts
> > - turned out it was the soy milk he was drinking.
>
> Gynecomastica has been in existance for a LOT longer than we have been
> drinking soymilk.

True.
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In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> >> A lot of people don't chew their food well enough.
> > That is one thing I try to focus on more.
> >
> > Eat SLOWER, no "wolfing".
> >
> > Helps with digestion, and eating less for weight control.
> > Slower eating helps with satiation for eating less volume.
> >
> > One of the things about working nights, it will often take me 2 to 3
> > hours to consume a meal. :-) There are only two of us working the lab.
> >
> How big is that meal, anyway? ;-)

Usually a small bowl such as one can of low salt veggies or something.

Generally 12 to 16 oz.

One bite, go spin a sample.
One bite, go start the machine.
One bite, go answer a phone call and try to trouble shoot.

Etc.

>
> I take so long to eat a meal, that I'm ready for the next meal by the time
> I'm finished.
> Wolfing and howling,
> Dee Dee

Come to work with me one of these nights. <G>
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Bobo wrote:
>
> > I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> > drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> > like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.
>
> COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
> trips.

You've been doing that since puberty.

In article om>,
Sheldon > wrote:

> Bobo wrote:
> >
> > > I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> > > drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> > > like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.
> >
> > COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
> > trips.
>
> You've been doing that since puberty.

Presuming those buddies were female? ;-)
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On Aug 28, 11:46 am, Sheldon > wrote:
> Bobo wrote:
>
> > > I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> > > drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> > > like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.
>
> > COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
> > trips.
>
> You've been doing that since puberty.

I thought it was amusing. I haven't BEEN hunting since puberty.

--Bryan

On Aug 28, 12:30 pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article om>,
>
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > Bobo wrote:
>
> > > > I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> > > > drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> > > > like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.
>
> > > COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
> > > trips.
>
> > You've been doing that since puberty.
>
> Presuming those buddies were female? ;-)

We've discussed the fact that I don't even own a gun. The only time I
ever go on trips that are all male is occasionally we go caving in the
winter for a day or two, and it just so happens that none of the women
go along. I just thought it would be a funny thing to post.

> --
> Peace, Om

--Bryan

In article .com>,
Bobo Bonobo(R) > wrote:

> On Aug 28, 12:30 pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article om>,
> >
> > Sheldon > wrote:
> > > Bobo wrote:
> >
> > > > > I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
> > > > > drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
> > > > > like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.
> >
> > > > COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
> > > > trips.
> >
> > > You've been doing that since puberty.
> >
> > Presuming those buddies were female? ;-)
>
> We've discussed the fact that I don't even own a gun. The only time I
> ever go on trips that are all male is occasionally we go caving in the
> winter for a day or two, and it just so happens that none of the women
> go along. I just thought it would be a funny thing to post.
>
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
> --Bryan

I can loan you one. ;-)

(A gun, not a woman!)
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