Sheldon wrote:

And healthful
> nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods... there is more
> healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
> there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful.


You know, I've seen you recommend chuck steak here several times, so I've
been buying it. It's usually on sale somewhere (never more than about
$2.79/lb), and the flavor to me is superior to more expensive cuts. It's
always tender, too...

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Greg

In article >,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> Sheldon wrote:
>
> And healthful
> > nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods... there is more
> > healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
> > there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful.
>
>
> You know, I've seen you recommend chuck steak here several times, so I've
> been buying it. It's usually on sale somewhere (never more than about
> $2.79/lb), and the flavor to me is superior to more expensive cuts. It's
> always tender, too...

There is no question that chuck is excellent, (it's a cut I buy rather
frequently), but he just recommended ROUND steak in the above!

IMHO for anything other than Tartar, it's one of the toughest cuts on
the cow next to oxtail or shanks, or hooves.

My PREFERRED cuts are rib eye and t-bone, but I only get those when they
drop below $5.00 per lb. on sale, and only in quantities of less than
$20.00.
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On Aug 31, 3:33?pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
> > Sheldon wrote:
>
> > And healthful
> > > nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods... there is more
> > > healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
> > > there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful.
>
> > You know, I've seen you recommend chuck steak here several times, so I've
> > been buying it. It's usually on sale somewhere (never more than about
> > $2.79/lb), and the flavor to me is superior to more expensive cuts. It's
> > always tender, too...
>
> There is no question that chuck is excellent, (it's a cut I buy rather
> frequently), but he just recommended ROUND steak in the above!
>
> IMHO for anything other than Tartar, it's one of the toughest cuts on
> the cow next to oxtail or shanks, or hooves.

Perhaps you need to expand your menu list... top round makes excellent
London broil, perfect pot roast, great bracciole, and the list goes
into the thousands.

> My PREFERRED cuts are rib eye and t-bone,


All you can do with those is grill... boring and expensive.

Sheldon

In article . com>,
Sheldon > wrote:

> Perhaps you need to expand your menu list... top round makes excellent
> London broil, perfect pot roast, great bracciole, and the list goes
> into the thousands.

I cannot STAND London Broil!
Overcooked meat is a travesty.

Altho' slow cooked properly like with a good pot roast is ok.
I prefer chuck for that tho'. More flavor.

>
> > My PREFERRED cuts are rib eye and t-bone,
>
>
> All you can do with those is grill... boring and expensive.
>
> Sheldon

Grilled steak is boring? <puzzled look>
It would be a requested item for a final meal for me! ;-)
Tastes are relative my friend.

They are also fabulous properly pan fried. Crispy on the outside, almost
raw in the middle. ;-d

Like this: http://i8.tinypic.com/680yexk.jpg
I used peanut oil. I'm out of grapeseed.
That was actually slightly overcooked tho'.
I will drop the time to 1 minute per side. I did that one for 1 1/2
minutes per side. I use my kitchen timer a LOT now and it's helped for
the more sensitive cooking tasks.

But yeah, they are expensive, no questioning that!
But once in awhile is mandatory and I only get them on sale.
It's called "food for the soul".
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
>
> I'd also rather not pay credit card interest any more. I'm fed up with
> that crap.

Smart move. Many ears ago I had some CC debt and I'd look at the interest
charges and get PO'd for letting that happen.


>
> I have a pension adding up.
> Plus an IRA to go (hopefully) with SSI AND a private teaching business.
> I have plans. I'd never totally retire from the world. What would I do
> with myself (other than play on the internet)?

I cannot imagine being retired full time. I actually like going to work
every day. It is a small company with 13 full time employees, plus some
temps (10 to 15) as needed. I like everyone there and talk to each one every
day. Now, I will admit my position gives me some privileges most people
don't have, but "at work" is a pleasant place to be. I come and go as I
please, like a trip to the oil change place or to drop my car at the shop
or pick up something for lunch.

As a whole, we are an eclectic group of individuals, but what makes it work
is that we all respect each other for the other's strengths and use their
strengths to offset our individual weaknesses. No one is supervised closely
as everyone is trusted to get their job done. Everyone does and there is
always help if needed. Employee turnover? I'm the senior employee with
over 18 years, the "new guy" is about 4+ years. Offer any one of us a 20%
salary increase to jump ship and we'd turn you down.

Money is nice to have, but it is not the reason we do what we do. I could
tell you amazing tales of benefits we get during the year. Our spouses
won't let us quit because they benefit also. When I'm 70, I'll cut back to
4 days a week and leave an hour earlier the other days.
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Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:

>"Omelet" > wrote in message

>> I'd also rather not pay credit card interest any more. I'm fed up with
>> that crap.

>Smart move. Many ears ago I had some CC debt and I'd look at the interest
>charges and get PO'd for letting that happen.

In the banking industry, the term for credit card customers
who always pay their balance in full each month and avoid any
interest or service charges is "deadbeats".

Steve

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> And healthful
>>> nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods... there is more
>>> healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
>>> there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful.
>>
>>
>> You know, I've seen you recommend chuck steak here several times, so
>> I've been buying it. It's usually on sale somewhere (never more
>> than about $2.79/lb), and the flavor to me is superior to more
>> expensive cuts. It's always tender, too...
>
> There is no question that chuck is excellent, (it's a cut I buy rather
> frequently), but he just recommended ROUND steak in the above!
>
NO, he didn't. He said "there is more healthful nutrutition on a lean round
steak than in a rib steak"

> IMHO for anything other than Tartar, it's one of the toughest cuts on
> the cow next to oxtail or shanks, or hooves.
>
I like chuck steaks and those which are called "chuck-eye" (aka Delmonico).
I don't buy ribeyes; it's overpriced even on sale. I prefer porterhouse.
Hard to find porterhouse unless you know a good butcher. BTW, there's
absolutely nothing wrong with oxtails for making a good stew. And since
winter will be here eventually, guess I'd better go hunting for some
oxtails.

Jill

In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >
> > I'd also rather not pay credit card interest any more. I'm fed up with
> > that crap.
>
> Smart move. Many ears ago I had some CC debt and I'd look at the interest
> charges and get PO'd for letting that happen.

I figure that if I put the money in savings that I was making on CC
payments every month, I'd come out ahead.

I was so pleased to be able to pay cash for dad's truck payment out of
savings last month! $1,200. It set me back a bit but that's ok. :-)
>
>
> >
> > I have a pension adding up.
> > Plus an IRA to go (hopefully) with SSI AND a private teaching business.
> > I have plans. I'd never totally retire from the world. What would I do
> > with myself (other than play on the internet)?
>
> I cannot imagine being retired full time. I actually like going to work
> every day. It is a small company with 13 full time employees, plus some
> temps (10 to 15) as needed. I like everyone there and talk to each one every
> day. Now, I will admit my position gives me some privileges most people
> don't have, but "at work" is a pleasant place to be. I come and go as I
> please, like a trip to the oil change place or to drop my car at the shop
> or pick up something for lunch.
>
> As a whole, we are an eclectic group of individuals, but what makes it work
> is that we all respect each other for the other's strengths and use their
> strengths to offset our individual weaknesses. No one is supervised closely
> as everyone is trusted to get their job done. Everyone does and there is
> always help if needed. Employee turnover? I'm the senior employee with
> over 18 years, the "new guy" is about 4+ years. Offer any one of us a 20%
> salary increase to jump ship and we'd turn you down.

While I do not hate my job, I'd rather do what _I_ want to do which is
teach. All in good time! I'd love to be able to set my own hours, but at
least I'm employed. <G>

>
> Money is nice to have, but it is not the reason we do what we do. I could
> tell you amazing tales of benefits we get during the year. Our spouses
> won't let us quit because they benefit also. When I'm 70, I'll cut back to
> 4 days a week and leave an hour earlier the other days.

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In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >"Omelet" > wrote in message
>
> >> I'd also rather not pay credit card interest any more. I'm fed up with
> >> that crap.
>
> >Smart move. Many ears ago I had some CC debt and I'd look at the interest
> >charges and get PO'd for letting that happen.
>
> In the banking industry, the term for credit card customers
> who always pay their balance in full each month and avoid any
> interest or service charges is "deadbeats".
>
> Steve

And we call the asinine finance charges and high interest rates a rip
off. It's usury and traps you in a spiraling cycle of debt if you don't
get it under control!
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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> >
> >> Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> And healthful
> >>> nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods... there is more
> >>> healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
> >>> there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful.
> >>
> >>
> >> You know, I've seen you recommend chuck steak here several times, so
> >> I've been buying it. It's usually on sale somewhere (never more
> >> than about $2.79/lb), and the flavor to me is superior to more
> >> expensive cuts. It's always tender, too...
> >
> > There is no question that chuck is excellent, (it's a cut I buy rather
> > frequently), but he just recommended ROUND steak in the above!
>
> NO, he didn't. He said "there is more healthful nutrutition on a lean round
> steak than in a rib steak"

And I do not agree with him.

And, I will NOT eat something that tastes like shit just because it's
"good for me".

Life is too short for that.

> > IMHO for anything other than Tartar, it's one of the toughest cuts on
> > the cow next to oxtail or shanks, or hooves.
> >
> I like chuck steaks and those which are called "chuck-eye" (aka Delmonico).
> I don't buy ribeyes; it's overpriced even on sale. I prefer porterhouse.
> Hard to find porterhouse unless you know a good butcher. BTW, there's
> absolutely nothing wrong with oxtails for making a good stew. And since
> winter will be here eventually, guess I'd better go hunting for some
> oxtails.
>
> Jill

But do you grill or fry Oxtails as a steak? ;-)

Interestingly enough, around here, chuck roasts and steaks are cheaper
than Ox tails...

They have become a luxury item. So has Lengua (tongue).
If you like Ox tail stew, try some calves feet sometime. Seriously.
Very good flavor and loaded with nutrition.

It might give you something you are lacking in your diet that has been
making you such a bitch lately.
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Omelet > wrote:

> I was so pleased to be able to pay cash for dad's truck payment out of
> savings last month! $1,200. It set me back a bit but that's ok. :-)

Scratch that. I meant to type truck REPAIR!

Sorry.
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On Sep 1, 1:42?pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
>
> > > I'd also rather not pay credit card interest any more. I'm fed up with
> > > that crap.
>
> > Smart move. Many ears ago I had some CC debt and I'd look at the interest
> > charges and get PO'd for letting that happen.
>
> I figure that if I put the money in savings that I was making on CC
> payments every month, I'd come out ahead.
>
> I was so pleased to be able to pay cash for dad's truck payment out of
> savings last month! $1,200. It set me back a bit but that's ok. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I have a pension adding up.
> > > Plus an IRA to go (hopefully) with SSI AND a private teaching business.
> > > I have plans. I'd never totally retire from the world. What would I do
> > > with myself (other than play on the internet)?
>
> > I cannot imagine being retired full time. I actually like going to work
> > every day. It is a small company with 13 full time employees, plus some
> > temps (10 to 15) as needed. I like everyone there and talk to each one every
> > day. Now, I will admit my position gives me some privileges most people
> > don't have, but "at work" is a pleasant place to be. I come and go as I
> > please, like a trip to the oil change place or to drop my car at the shop
> > or pick up something for lunch.
>
> > As a whole, we are an eclectic group of individuals, but what makes it work
> > is that we all respect each other for the other's strengths and use their
> > strengths to offset our individual weaknesses. No one is supervised closely
> > as everyone is trusted to get their job done. Everyone does and there is
> > always help if needed. Employee turnover? I'm the senior employee with
> > over 18 years, the "new guy" is about 4+ years. Offer any one of us a 20%
> > salary increase to jump ship and we'd turn you down.
>
> While I do not hate my job, I'd rather do what _I_ want to do which is
> teach. All in good time! I'd love to be able to set my own hours, but at
> least I'm employed. <G>
>
>
>
> > Money is nice to have, but it is not the reason we do what we do. I could
> > tell you amazing tales of benefits we get during the year. Our spouses
> > won't let us quit because they benefit also. When I'm 70, I'll cut back to
> > 4 days a week and leave an hour earlier the other days.
>
> I'll retire at 65, teach on my OWN schedule and do a lot more travelling!

You're MUCH too young to make such a declaration... at best you can
say it's your current dream. I can guarantee it will change, many
times.

Sheldon Seer

In article om>,
Sheldon > wrote:

> > I'll retire at 65, teach on my OWN schedule and do a lot more travelling!
>
> You're MUCH too young to make such a declaration... at best you can
> say it's your current dream. I can guarantee it will change, many
> times.
>
> Sheldon Seer

Perhaps...

But planning ahead is good.
I have 20 years to retirement and investment interest takes time to add
up. ;-)

So far, I've only changed my retirement plans once in the PAST 20 years.
I've got 20 years working full time so I am half-way there...

Part of it is that Dad never did plan ahead and never did save money.

Now he earns ONLY SSI and lives with me.
I'm capable of learning from other's mistakes.
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Sheldon wrote:

> Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
> experiencing no deprivation whatsoever... utility companys become
> wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
> it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
> income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
> ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
> that's why they are wealthy.
>
> Sheldon

So far, I have not figured out the utility grid. Utilities can be so
expensive in one area of the country, but not in other areas.

A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
pay so much for utilities.

Becca

On Sep 1, 9:26?pm, Becca > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
> > experiencing no deprivation whatsoever... utility companys become
> > wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
> > it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
> > income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
> > ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
> > that's why they are wealthy.
>
> So far, I have not figured out the utility grid. Utilities can be so
> expensive in one area of the country, but not in other areas.
>
> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> pay so much for utilities.

There's probably little difference in price per KWH. Those people are
simply using more electricity than you. There are so many reasons but
the biggies are leaving lights, appliances, and other elecricity
consuming apparatus on unecessarily. With heating and cooling they
may have little to no insulation. Electric water heaters can be big
power wasters, they need to be surveyed, as are stoves/ovens,
refrigerators, freezers, clothes dryers, and dishwashers... all thise
can be inefficient and used inappropriately. Lots of people keep
their house lit up like a christmas tree, every light inside and out,
every TV, all sorts of power consuming equipment is left on, and no
one is using any of it, often no one is home. I've known people who
never shut off exhaust fans, both kitchen and all bathrooms... the
standard answer when questioned... they forget. Imbeciles.

Sheldon

"Becca" > wrote in message
>
> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> pay so much for utilities.
>
> Becca

Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates are
about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199

"Becca" > wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
>> experiencing no deprivation whatsoever... utility companys become
>> wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
>> it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
>> income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
>> ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
>> that's why they are wealthy.
>>
>> Sheldon
>
> So far, I have not figured out the utility grid. Utilities can be so
> expensive in one area of the country, but not in other areas.
>
> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> pay so much for utilities.
>
> Becca

Our utility bills for one floor was $750 a month many years ago and then
increased each year. We did everything one is supposed to do, had it
checked it out, weather stripping, insulation, you name it.

Finally we tore everything out, ducts and all, started over, both floors,
$32K. Now it is low enough to pay for it in 3 years, even at that high
cost.

It isn't always the rates per kwh, it can be the structure of the house
itself and the adequate system for the house.

Actually to me $500 a month in the Southwest doesn't seem an awful lot
nowadays. That is, if you consider what it costs to have an extra car,
extra clothing, extra electronics, extra vacations, extra meals out instead
of cooking at home, extra hair tinting and make up and you could go on and
on what people will spend their money for.

I'd trade most of these extras just to keep cool and comfortable or warm and
comfortable and have clean air; and have.

How many families can Hoover Dam support?

Dee Dee

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote

> "Becca" > wrote in message
>>
>> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
>> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
>> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
>> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
>> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
>> pay so much for utilities.

> Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates are
> about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199

I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per kwh,
12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower rate
24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
laundry on the weekends.

I also have budget, so I don't actually know what my monthly bill amounts
to but it's in the neighborhood of $90 - $100.

nancy

On Sep 1, 10:24?pm, "Dee Dee" > wrote:
> "Becca" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
> >> experiencing no deprivation whatsoever... utility companys become
> >> wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
> >> it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
> >> income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
> >> ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
> >> that's why they are wealthy.
>
> >> Sheldon
>
> > So far, I have not figured out the utility grid. Utilities can be so
> > expensive in one area of the country, but not in other areas.
>
> > A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> > them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> > here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> > one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> > houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> > pay so much for utilities.
>
> > Becca
>
> Our utility bills for one floor was $750 a month.

How large was that floor, 5,000 sq ft., with 10 foot ceilings, and an
olympic sized heated pool?

I wish folks wouldn't use the generic "utility" bills... that includes
electric, water, water treatment, gas, phone(s), TV, Internet, trash
pick up, condo maintenance fees, and maybe more... oh, pool service,
and perhaps fireplace logs. Let's just stick to electric usage...
$750/mo is not believeable, not for an average sized/style house with
an average sized family. Maybe in retrospect $750/mo is not so much
for electric, my neighbor's bar bill is more than $750/mo, and that's
just him with his scotch, she's no piker with her wine. And they
don't have air conditioning, not even a window unit. Go figger
farmers.

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> Our utility bills for one floor was $750 a month many years ago and then
> increased each year. We did everything one is supposed to do, had it
> checked it out, weather stripping, insulation, you name it.
>
> Finally we tore everything out, ducts and all, started over, both floors,
> $32K. Now it is low enough to pay for it in 3 years, even at that high
> cost.

Extra insulation is good. The addition of the siding over the old
siding, installation of double glass windows and a deep layer of blanket
fiberglass in the attic OVER all the AC ductwork has made the house stay
a lot cooler in the summer than it ever was before.

>
> It isn't always the rates per kwh, it can be the structure of the house
> itself and the adequate system for the house.

Yep.

>
> Actually to me $500 a month in the Southwest doesn't seem an awful lot
> nowadays. That is, if you consider what it costs to have an extra car,
> extra clothing, extra electronics, extra vacations, extra meals out instead
> of cooking at home, extra hair tinting and make up and you could go on and
> on what people will spend their money for.

My electric runs around $170.00 to $200.00 per month in the summer, but
I'm also running an extra window unit in the sun porch, and the Hobart
and chest freezer in there as well.

>
> I'd trade most of these extras just to keep cool and comfortable or warm and
> comfortable and have clean air; and have.

Absolutely!

>
> How many families can Hoover Dam support?

Doesn't Las Vegas hog all of that power? :-)

>
> Dee Dee
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Sheldon > wrote:

> How large was that floor, 5,000 sq ft., with 10 foot ceilings, and an
> olympic sized heated pool?
>
> I wish folks wouldn't use the generic "utility" bills... that includes
> electric, water, water treatment, gas, phone(s), TV, Internet, trash
> pick up, condo maintenance fees, and maybe more... oh, pool service,
> and perhaps fireplace logs. Let's just stick to electric usage...
> $750/mo is not believeable, not for an average sized/style house with
> an average sized family. Maybe in retrospect $750/mo is not so much
> for electric, my neighbor's bar bill is more than $750/mo, and that's
> just him with his scotch, she's no piker with her wine. And they
> don't have air conditioning, not even a window unit. Go figger
> farmers.

My utility bill is broken down in the actual bill.

Power, water and sewage are all in one final bill, but I actually do
look at it and what I posted was the section just for electric.
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"Gregory Morrow" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per
>> kwh,
>> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> rate
>> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
>> laundry on the weekends.
>
>
> Hey, hey, POOL PARTY at Nancy's place...we'll provide the food and
> booze...!!!

Haha! Come on over, the water's fine. Flower beds are looking
a little shabby, I'm behind on my gardening. Heh.

http://i2.tinypic.com/66j36sg.jpg

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per kwh,
> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
rate
> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> laundry on the weekends.


Hey, hey, POOL PARTY at Nancy's place...we'll provide the food and
booze...!!!

;-D

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Greg

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:47:24 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>Interestingly enough, around here, chuck roasts and steaks are cheaper
>than Ox tails...
>
they are expensive around here (maryland) also.

>It might give you something you are lacking in your diet that has been
>making you such a bitch lately.

some things are beyond the ken of medical science.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:47:24 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >Interestingly enough, around here, chuck roasts and steaks are cheaper
> >than Ox tails...
> >
> they are expensive around here (maryland) also.
>
> >It might give you something you are lacking in your diet that has been
> >making you such a bitch lately.
>
> some things are beyond the ken of medical science.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I note she never did answer that post. ;-)
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In article >, says...
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
> > experiencing no deprivation whatsoever... utility companys become
> > wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
> > it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
> > income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
> > ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
> > that's why they are wealthy.
> >
> > Sheldon
>
> So far, I have not figured out the utility grid. Utilities can be so
> expensive in one area of the country, but not in other areas.
>
> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> pay so much for utilities.
>
> Becca
>
>

It is because different companies server different areas. We have the
shitstain known as National Grid here in Rhode Island for bother
electricity AND natural gas.

The thing that is interesting is now National Grid uses its own natural
gas to fire it's power plants here in RI. Knowing that you then deduce
that the markups must be astounding because our per kWh rate comes to 14
cents when you factor in all the transmission charages.

Deregulation was supposed to save us so much money. So why do we now pay
MORE for service?

In article >,
says...
>
> "Becca" > wrote in message
> >
> > A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> > them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> > here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> > one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> > houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> > pay so much for utilities.
> >
> > Becca
>
> Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates are
> about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199
>
>
>

Ah, you're paying for a nuke plant or two with that rate.

In article >,
says...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote
>
> > "Becca" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> >> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> >> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> >> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> >> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> >> pay so much for utilities.
>
> > Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates are
> > about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199
>
> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per kwh,
> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower rate
> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> laundry on the weekends.
>
> I also have budget, so I don't actually know what my monthly bill amounts
> to but it's in the neighborhood of $90 - $100.
>
> nancy
>
>
>

Out of curiosity what 12 hours of the day are the higher rate, is it
6AM-6PM, or 7AM-7PM, or even 8AM-8PM?

In article >,
says...
>
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote
>
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> >> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per
> >> kwh,
> >> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> > rate
> >> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> >> laundry on the weekends.
> >
> >
> > Hey, hey, POOL PARTY at Nancy's place...we'll provide the food and
> > booze...!!!
>
> Haha! Come on over, the water's fine. Flower beds are looking
> a little shabby, I'm behind on my gardening. Heh.
>
> http://i2.tinypic.com/66j36sg.jpg
>
> nancy
>
>
>

Very nice! It's always nice to see people who have their flower gardens
in order.

In article >,
says...
>
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote
>
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> >> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per
> >> kwh,
> >> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> > rate
> >> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> >> laundry on the weekends.
> >
> >
> > Hey, hey, POOL PARTY at Nancy's place...we'll provide the food and
> > booze...!!!
>
> Haha! Come on over, the water's fine. Flower beds are looking
> a little shabby, I'm behind on my gardening. Heh.
>
> http://i2.tinypic.com/66j36sg.jpg
>
> nancy
>
>
>

A little urban gardening for me, all vegetable plants, mostly tomato and
squash.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...5&context=set-
72157600067261147&size=l

"T" > wrote

> says...

>> Haha! Come on over, the water's fine. Flower beds are looking
>> a little shabby, I'm behind on my gardening. Heh.
>>
>> http://i2.tinypic.com/66j36sg.jpg

> A little urban gardening for me, all vegetable plants, mostly tomato and
> squash.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...5&context=set-
> 72157600067261147&size=l

Nice! You have a green thumb, looks like, none of my plants
look as healthy and happy as yours.

nancy

"T" > wrote

says...

>> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per
>> kwh,
>> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
>> rate
>> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
>> laundry on the weekends.

>Out of curiosity what 12 hours of the day are the higher rate, is it
>6AM-6PM, or 7AM-7PM, or even 8AM-8PM?

8AM to 8PM, or 9AM to 9PM during daylight savings time.

nancy

"T" > wrote in message
. ..
In article >,
says...
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote
>
> > "Becca" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> >> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> >> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> >> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> >> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> >> pay so much for utilities.
>
> > Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates
> > are
> > about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199
>
> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per kwh,
> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> rate
> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> laundry on the weekends.
>
> I also have budget, so I don't actually know what my monthly bill amounts
> to but it's in the neighborhood of $90 - $100.
>
> nancy
>
>
Here in VA we are averaging 7.13 kwh.
Dee Dee

In article >,
says...
>
> "T" > wrote
>
> > says...
>
> >> Haha! Come on over, the water's fine. Flower beds are looking
> >> a little shabby, I'm behind on my gardening. Heh.
> >>
> >> http://i2.tinypic.com/66j36sg.jpg
>
> > A little urban gardening for me, all vegetable plants, mostly tomato and
> > squash.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...5&context=set-
> > 72157600067261147&size=l
>
> Nice! You have a green thumb, looks like, none of my plants
> look as healthy and happy as yours.
>
> nancy
>
>
>

Yes I do have the green thumb, got it from my grandfather. It's weird,
it seems to skip a generation in my family.

Thus far:

I've taken a spider plant in a tiny little pot and transplanted it into
a larger pot. The effect of that got me a larger spider plant and it's
actually throwing off shoots and flowers now.

The chinese fern that was in the living room wasn't getting enough light
and was looking very bedrgagled. Out onto the landing of the steps for
about a month and it looks good now. It is also in the dining room now
where it gets more light.

I've eaten watermelon, cherries, peaches etc. and planted the seeds and
had them sprout, only to have my smallest cat decide they were a
delicacy.

Better yet, I've reserved some seeds from the tomatoes I grew this year
and dried them out a bit and will replant them come later winter/early
spring.

People say it must take a lot of work, I don't think it does. I actually
enjoy it.

In article >,
says...
>
> "T" > wrote in message
> . ..
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote
> >
> > > "Becca" > wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each of
> > >> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month. Temperatures
> > >> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105 for
> > >> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> > >> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have to
> > >> pay so much for utilities.
> >
> > > Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates
> > > are
> > > about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199
> >
> > I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per kwh,
> > 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> > rate
> > 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> > laundry on the weekends.
> >
> > I also have budget, so I don't actually know what my monthly bill amounts
> > to but it's in the neighborhood of $90 - $100.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> >
> Here in VA we are averaging 7.13 kwh.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

On the last bill we used 781kWh for $112.20 which comes out to 14 cents
a kWh.

Of course if I break it out, the energy charge is 8 cents a kWh while
distribution is 5 cents a kWH. THe remaninder is gross earnings taxes.

For the distribution heere's the breakdown:

Customer charge: $2.75 - this one really galls me.
Distribution charge: $26.38
Transmission charge: $7.11
Transition charge: $4.37
Conservation charge: $1.80

Prior to deregulation we paid the energy charge plus a small
distribution charge. It's like the legislature just let National Grid
take the reigns off and run wild.

My usage is pretty interesting since I have just four months of history
currently.

August 781 kWh - heaviest use of A/C plus a lot of entertaining.
July 631 kWh
June 555 kWh
May 884 kWh - had lots of people in the house for a week in may which
meant washer/dryer were running pretty much constantly.

On Sep 2, 9:42 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote
>
> > Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per
> >> kwh,
> >> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> > rate
> >> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> >> laundry on the weekends.
>
> > Hey, hey, POOL PARTY at Nancy's place...we'll provide the food and
> > booze...!!!
>
> Haha! Come on over, the water's fine. Flower beds are looking
> a little shabby, I'm behind on my gardening. Heh.
>
> http://i2.tinypic.com/66j36sg.jpg
>
> nancy

Woohoo! Let's have a dry cook-in at Nancy's, and everyone bring your
bathing suit!


maxine in ri

"T" > wrote in message
. ..
In article >,
says...
>
> "T" > wrote in message
> . ..
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote
> >
> > > "Becca" > wrote in message
> > >>
> > >> A few weeks ago, I visited two different friends in Las Vegas. Each
> > >> of
> > >> them said their utility bills were over $500 each month.
> > >> Temperatures
> > >> here in Louisiana, were in the high 90's, and it was around 104-105
> > >> for
> > >> one week. My utility bill was $140. My house is 2400 sq ft and their
> > >> houses are about 3000 sq ft. It does not seem right, that they have
> > >> to
> > >> pay so much for utilities.
> >
> > > Depends on where and how it is generated. Here in New England, rates
> > > are
> > > about 16¢ per kW hour. Last monthmy billw as $199
> >
> > I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per
> > kwh,
> > 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower
> > rate
> > 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and
> > do
> > laundry on the weekends.
> >
> > I also have budget, so I don't actually know what my monthly bill
> > amounts
> > to but it's in the neighborhood of $90 - $100.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> >
> Here in VA we are averaging 7.13 kwh.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

On the last bill we used 781kWh for $112.20 which comes out to 14 cents
a kWh.

Of course if I break it out, the energy charge is 8 cents a kWh while
distribution is 5 cents a kWH. THe remaninder is gross earnings taxes.

For the distribution heere's the breakdown:

Customer charge: $2.75 - this one really galls me.
Distribution charge: $26.38
Transmission charge: $7.11
Transition charge: $4.37
Conservation charge: $1.80

Prior to deregulation we paid the energy charge plus a small
distribution charge. It's like the legislature just let National Grid
take the reigns off and run wild.

My usage is pretty interesting since I have just four months of history
currently.

August 781 kWh - heaviest use of A/C plus a lot of entertaining.
July 631 kWh
June 555 kWh
May 884 kWh - had lots of people in the house for a week in may which
meant washer/dryer were running pretty much constantly.



I quoted what my charge was per kwh. What the taxes, and other charges are,
God Forbid, I won't say!
Things have got(ten) out of hand.
Please, Om's dad, correct this last sentence for me ;-)
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> I quoted what my charge was per kwh. What the taxes, and other charges are,
> God Forbid, I won't say!
> Things have got(ten) out of hand.
> Please, Om's dad, correct this last sentence for me ;-)

;-)

I'll pass it on...
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Nancy Young wrote:

> I have Time of Day service. 12 hours a day it's perhaps 18 cents per kwh,
> 12 hours it's 9 cents. Approx. But on the weekends it's at the lower rate
> 24 hours a day. Keeps my bill down, I run my pool filter at night and do
> laundry on the weekends.
>
> I also have budget, so I don't actually know what my monthly bill amounts
> to but it's in the neighborhood of $90 - $100.
>
> nancy

Nancy, that is some excellent advice, thanks. I also read some good
advice from Sheldon, so thanks to him, too.

Becca