Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.

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Becca

On Aug 29, 3:17 pm, Becca > wrote:
> Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
>
> http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
>
> Becca

Duh. More money means you can afford to eat better, for many reasons.

In article >, says...
> Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
>
> http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
>
> Becca
>
>
>

Poverty is highly associated with obesity. Someday when you get a chance
walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.

The cheap carbs win out.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
wrote:

> Someday when you get a chance
>walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>
>The cheap carbs win out.

It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
buy...it WAS MY MONEY!

"Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
>> Someday when you get a chance
>>walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>>then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>>
>>The cheap carbs win out.
>
> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!
>

You're becoming predictable. Canned asshole. ho ho hum.

"new nym" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Aug 29, 3:17 pm, Becca > wrote:
>> Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
>>
>> http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
>>
>> Becca
>
> Duh. More money means you can afford to eat better, for many reasons.
>
Yet still, so many don't.

"Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
>> Someday when you get a chance
>>walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>>then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>>
>>The cheap carbs win out.
>
> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!
>
>

I'm impressed at your psychic abilities!!

I've never been able to tell just from what's in someone's cart if they're
divorced or not. Since this state doesn't have paper food stamps anymore I
can't tell if they're paying with food stamps or a debit card.

Ms P

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:09:25 -0500, "Ms P" >
wrote:

>I'm impressed at your psychic abilities!!

Thank you. I impress myself daily.

"T" > wrote in message
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> In article >, says...
>> Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
>>
>> http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
>>
>> Becca
>>
>>
>>
>
> Poverty is highly associated with obesity. Someday when you get a chance
> walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
> then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>
> The cheap carbs win out.


What about those dried corn-flakes cereal boxed thingies? geez, I can't
afford that! I don't want it in the first place, but I could never afford
to buy it. I don't see many cracker type things for much less than $3 a lb.
Sometimes more.
Good lord, what do English muffins sell for -- buy something decent for
that price-per-pound.

Not all carbs are bad. Some may think so -- but I'll take a carrot for
carbs any day vs. white Wonder bread, I can get carrots for less per pound
than a price per pound of crappy potato chips and other boxed crap/carbs.

What makes anyone think that the obese would be thin if they had the
money -- Geez, take a look around at the fat rich ole ladies. Of course,
they are hard to recognize because they are so obese. I think for the most
part, there are so many factors involved in obesity, and poverty is just one
of them.

I had a friend who is quite successful and she had mentioned the fact that
she had gained so much weight, and that she was skinny when we met. She
said many times that it was because she was so poor. You don't hear that
side of it often anymore.

I might mention also that when I was poor, I was NEVER fat either. But then
again, I'm a special case -- he he!

Dee Dee

"Ms P" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ward Abbott" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Someday when you get a chance
>>>walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>>>then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>>>
>>>The cheap carbs win out.
>>
>> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
>> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
>> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
>> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!
>>
>>
>
> I'm impressed at your psychic abilities!!
>
> I've never been able to tell just from what's in someone's cart if they're
> divorced or not. Since this state doesn't have paper food stamps anymore
> I can't tell if they're paying with food stamps or a debit card.
>
> Ms P

As well, I've never been able to tell an obese person's financial status by
what they have in their cart.
Dee Dee

In article >,
says...
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
> wrote:
>
> > Someday when you get a chance
> >walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
> >then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
> >
> >The cheap carbs win out.
>
> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!

An infitesimaly small amount may well have been your money. But by your
logic, you'd be able to tell me what to buy if you lived in my state.
Why? I'm a state employee. Your tax dollars pay my salary, but then my
tax dollars get mixed into the same pool.

"T" > wrote in message
. ..
> In article >,
> says...
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Someday when you get a chance
>> >walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>> >then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>> >
>> >The cheap carbs win out.
>>
>> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
>> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
>> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
>> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!
>
> An infitesimaly small amount may well have been your money. But by your
> logic, you'd be able to tell me what to buy if you lived in my state.
> Why? I'm a state employee. Your tax dollars pay my salary, but then my
> tax dollars get mixed into the same pool.

Perhaps he thinks she wasn't working.
But you are working and productive.
Dee Dee

Ward Abbott wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T
>
> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!

Some people who receive food stamps (and no, I don't any longer... they
don't go on in perpetuitylso paid THEIR OWN MONEY into that system for 20+
years.

I sure as Hell didn't mind asking for a little help when I needed it, yet it
took 2 years before anyone acknowledged I could actually get this kind of
help. I lived off my savings. (And I never got any other help, BTW. Why?
Because I don't have kids and/or their kids to support. In those
situations, "grandma's" who are still taking care of their adult kids and
all of their kids seem to get a free pass. Not fair but it's the truth, at
least in Tennessee.)

The prevailing attitude of some people that anyone who might need some
assistance which *they themselves paid into for countless years* are all
"deadbeats" just amazes me. Wish I could have dragged some of you with me
when I applied for benefits. The ones who were "reupping" their benefits
(and trust me, you could hear their conversations loud and clear) were
wearing more gold jewelry than you could shake a stick at. They had cell
phones permanently plastered to their ears, wearing the latest hair fashions
(interpret that however you want to), sculpted nails out to HERE and 2-3
children in tow. <shrugs> Such is the system.

Jill

In article >, Becca >
wrote:

> Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
>
> http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
>
> Becca

I'd like to see this one followed up by education levels...
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new nym > wrote:

> On Aug 29, 3:17 pm, Becca > wrote:
> > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
> >
> > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
> >
> > Becca
>
> Duh. More money means you can afford to eat better, for many reasons.

I thought about that too.
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In article >,
T > wrote:

> In article >, says...
> > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
> >
> > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
> >
> > Becca
> >
> >
> >
>
> Poverty is highly associated with obesity. Someday when you get a chance
> walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
> then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>
> The cheap carbs win out.

Indeed...

Doctors tell us to eat at least 2 servings of fish per week, higher fat
sea fish such as Salmon etc. $6.00 per lb. on up.

Fine doc'. Ya wanna buy it for me?
I can't justify the cost of eating it more than a couple of times per
month. Not when chicken is $.79 to $1.29 and pork is less expensive than
good beef (and fish).

Canned tuna is too high in salt to eat regularly but it is affordable.

Catfish nuggets right now are $1.69.

Fresh veggies (and fresh frozen) on the other hand are quite affordable.
My grossery bill is lower when I buy more of them. And we like them. ;-d
Fruit tends to be a bit higher but not always. Depends on season.

Rice, beans, pasta and bread are some of the lowest priced food on the
market.
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In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> Not all carbs are bad. Some may think so -- but I'll take a carrot for
> carbs any day vs. white Wonder bread, I can get carrots for less per pound
> than a price per pound of crappy potato chips and other boxed crap/carbs.

Hear hear! :-)
The price per lb. of many fresh veggies are not really that bad at all!

The biggest problem I thing is education.
SO many people don't know how to cook, or are too lazy to.
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Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> T > wrote:
>
> > In article >, says...
> > > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
> > >
> > > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
> > >
> > > Becca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Poverty is highly associated with obesity. Someday when you get a chance
> > walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
> > then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
> >
> > The cheap carbs win out.
>
> Indeed...
>
> Doctors tell us to eat at least 2 servings of fish per week, higher fat
> sea fish such as Salmon etc. $6.00 per lb. on up.
>
> Fine doc'. Ya wanna buy it for me?
> I can't justify the cost of eating it more than a couple of times per
> month. Not when chicken is $.79 to $1.29 and pork is less expensive than
> good beef (and fish).

Yesterday's Albertson's flyer - "Fresh Atlantic Salmon Fillets $3.99/#".
A serving is what, 4oz? So $2/week? $3/week with your prices?

>
> Canned tuna is too high in salt to eat regularly but it is affordable.

I prefer the pouches, and it has to be oil pack, not water pack (ick!).

>
> Catfish nuggets right now are $1.69.

Catfish is always a cheap one, unfortunately it also is best fried so
there goes the healthy part.

>
> Fresh veggies (and fresh frozen) on the other hand are quite affordable.
> My grossery bill is lower when I buy more of them. And we like them. ;-d
> Fruit tends to be a bit higher but not always. Depends on season.

Fresh veggies are also feasible to grow yourself in many cases.

>
> Rice, beans, pasta and bread are some of the lowest priced food on the
> market.

Yep. The problem there is what you serve with them.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article om>,
> new nym > wrote:
>
> > On Aug 29, 3:17 pm, Becca > wrote:
> > > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
> > >
> > > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
> > >
> > > Becca
> >
> > Duh. More money means you can afford to eat better, for many reasons.
>
> I thought about that too.

More money can also mean that the household has two people working full
time to pay for the overpriced micro mansion and yuppmobiles in the
garage and as a result is so rushed that they rely on prepared
"convenience" crap foods and get fat.

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> > Doctors tell us to eat at least 2 servings of fish per week, higher fat
> > sea fish such as Salmon etc. $6.00 per lb. on up.
> >
> > Fine doc'. Ya wanna buy it for me?
> > I can't justify the cost of eating it more than a couple of times per
> > month. Not when chicken is $.79 to $1.29 and pork is less expensive than
> > good beef (and fish).
>
> Yesterday's Albertson's flyer - "Fresh Atlantic Salmon Fillets $3.99/#".
> A serving is what, 4oz? So $2/week? $3/week with your prices?

Do you eat just 4 oz. of fish as an entree? ;-)
I do see your point though. When I cook fish, I generally cook at least
a 16 oz. portion for the two of us and serve it with steamed veggies.

With shrimp I cook 2 lbs.

And serve it with no sides. <G>

Funny too as I have trouble eating more than 8 oz. of red meat at one
sitting, but fish and shrimp sit lighter on the stomach so I tend to eat
a larger portion.

>
> >
> > Canned tuna is too high in salt to eat regularly but it is affordable.
>
> I prefer the pouches, and it has to be oil pack, not water pack (ick!).

See, I prefer water pack and have never tried the pouches. They cost
more than the cans, at least last I checked. It's been awhile. Tuna here
has been $.50 per can max unless you are getting the "fancy" stuff.

>
> >
> > Catfish nuggets right now are $1.69.
>
> Catfish is always a cheap one, unfortunately it also is best fried so
> there goes the healthy part.

Grilled catfish is quite tasty but the fillet's are better done that way
and they are $4.99. I have grilled the nuggets but they are better deep
fried. I don't batter tho' so they don't retain a lot of oil.

I've also been known to poach them as it's easier, faster, less messy
and is really quite good.

> >
> > Fresh veggies (and fresh frozen) on the other hand are quite affordable.
> > My grossery bill is lower when I buy more of them. And we like them. ;-d
> > Fruit tends to be a bit higher but not always. Depends on season.
>
> Fresh veggies are also feasible to grow yourself in many cases.

Not with the cost of water here. :-(
It's FAR cheaper to purchase them. I've been down that road.

>
> >
> > Rice, beans, pasta and bread are some of the lowest priced food on the
> > market.
>
> Yep. The problem there is what you serve with them.

I have a delightful pot of bean soup in the 'frige right now made with
Black Soy Beans, but shipped from Eden foods, they ran me close to $2.00
per lb.:

http://www.edenfoods.com/store/produ...ucts_id=102814

Black soy beans are VERY low in carbs, high in protein and fiber. They
are the only truly low carb bean that there is and I've had zero luck
finding them locally. I split a 25 lb. bag with a low carbing co-worker
and re-sold another 5 lbs. to someone for seed. I want to try to grow
them too.

I made them using ham stock but before you gag, when I make that kind of
stock, it gets refrigerated overnight so I can remove nearly ALL of the
fat from it! I added onion, garlic, celery and fresh ginger. I used only
the ham skins this time as I did not have enough space to add the bones.
Those are in the freezer destined for some split peas later on. ;-d

I also added my usual salt free lemon pepper. <G>

It takes me 3 days to make a pot of beans.

To the strained off skin and collagen, I added 3 large sliced carrots.

The soup came out utterly divine. Pics to follow later.

As for rice, we only buy black, red and brown and I make it with stock.
It does not need butter with that much flavoring so it is served as a
side dish. I make rice probably once every 1 or two months and add lots
of veggies.

Pasta is a treat once or twice per year. My dad makes the most delicious
clam and garlic sauce to serve over it. He's been getting whole wheat
for himself and corn noodles for me.

Bread... was totally out of the house for awhile. I get sick every time
I indulge so that is a good deterrent. :-P I wish dad would not buy it
at all. He does not need it either. I get my genes for possible diabetes
from him.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> T > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>> > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
>> >
>> > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
>> >
>> > Becca
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Poverty is highly associated with obesity. Someday when you get a chance
>> walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>> then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>>
>> The cheap carbs win out.
>
> Indeed...
>
> Doctors tell us to eat at least 2 servings of fish per week, higher fat
> sea fish such as Salmon etc. $6.00 per lb. on up.

>
> Fine doc'. Ya wanna buy it for me?
> I can't justify the cost of eating it more than a couple of times per
> month. Not when chicken is $.79 to $1.29 and pork is less expensive than
> good beef (and fish).

Canned Salmon (I can't taste any oversalting) wild sold at Costco is very
good, no extra water, no skin -- all edible is 6 cans $10. Probably a 7 oz.
can, which is enough for me for 2 meals. I think 4 oz. is sufficient for
any meat per meal (my opinion). $6 divided by a 4 oz serving is $1.50 a
serving - I try to think of food as medicine when it is overwhelming in
price.

But I take fish oil everyday as well.

>
> Canned tuna is too high in salt to eat regularly but it is affordable.
> Rice, beans, pasta and bread are some of the lowest priced food on the
> market.

> Peace, Om

Umm, rice and beans -- pasta and bread -- my favorite foods, but I always
have fruit (3 different a day) and veggies (I work on getting 4) and some
meat or cheese or eggs. This week my fruit has been each day: banana,
peach, apple and dried blueberries.
And my veggies have been that which I bought at the Farmers Market last
week.

Actually when DH is away, I see actually how little I do eat (in comparison
to him) in money terms. But the weight stays the same ;-)

Dee Dee

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article om>,
> > new nym > wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 29, 3:17 pm, Becca > wrote:
> > > > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
> > > >
> > > > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
> > > >
> > > > Becca
> > >
> > > Duh. More money means you can afford to eat better, for many reasons.
> >
> > I thought about that too.
>
> More money can also mean that the household has two people working full
> time to pay for the overpriced micro mansion and yuppmobiles in the
> garage and as a result is so rushed that they rely on prepared
> "convenience" crap foods and get fat.

It is funny how so many people live to the END of their means rather
than budgeting. I did it for quite a few years myself.

I'm now trying to empty my house of un-needed "crap" and only purchase
"needs" instead of "wants".

I actually have a decent savings account at the moment (or the
beginnings of one anyway) and was able to pay the $1,200 repair bill on
dad's truck without using a credit card!

I hope to gods I can keep it up. I think I finally saw the light. ;-)

But, I don't have kids. Just nephews, and my sister and brother in law
are technophiles. :-P

It's not easy with the constant bombardment of advertising and spam.
We are a consumerist society and are brainwashed.

From what I've read tho', many people in my age group finally start to
wise up. Gives me 20 more years to try to save for retirement. I have a
very good investment counselor.

Interestingly enough, good, nutritious food takes second place to
"things" in so many people's lives...
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Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > > Doctors tell us to eat at least 2 servings of fish per week, higher fat
> > > sea fish such as Salmon etc. $6.00 per lb. on up.
> > >
> > > Fine doc'. Ya wanna buy it for me?
> > > I can't justify the cost of eating it more than a couple of times per
> > > month. Not when chicken is $.79 to $1.29 and pork is less expensive than
> > > good beef (and fish).
> >
> > Yesterday's Albertson's flyer - "Fresh Atlantic Salmon Fillets $3.99/#".
> > A serving is what, 4oz? So $2/week? $3/week with your prices?
>
> Do you eat just 4 oz. of fish as an entree? ;-)
> I do see your point though. When I cook fish, I generally cook at least
> a 16 oz. portion for the two of us and serve it with steamed veggies.

Hell no, and I doubt anyone else in the US does either, but that's not
the point. When a doctor tells you that you should eat x servings a week
they are referring to the "official" servings, so your 8oz / person
covers that week.

>
> With shrimp I cook 2 lbs.

I do individual portions since it's just me. The typical portion works
out to roughly 4oz.

>
> And serve it with no sides. <G>

I often top a salad with sautéed shrimp and call it lunch.

>
> Funny too as I have trouble eating more than 8 oz. of red meat at one
> sitting, but fish and shrimp sit lighter on the stomach so I tend to eat
> a larger portion.

Usually the case.

>
> >
> > >
> > > Canned tuna is too high in salt to eat regularly but it is affordable.
> >
> > I prefer the pouches, and it has to be oil pack, not water pack (ick!).
>
> See, I prefer water pack and have never tried the pouches. They cost
> more than the cans, at least last I checked. It's been awhile. Tuna here
> has been $.50 per can max unless you are getting the "fancy" stuff.

Might be more than the cans, but it's no-drain and a lot tastier. Try to
oil pack and you probably won't touch the water pack ever again. I seem
to recall the late great Ms. Child berating the horrible water pack
stuff.

>
> >
> > >
> > > Catfish nuggets right now are $1.69.
> >
> > Catfish is always a cheap one, unfortunately it also is best fried so
> > there goes the healthy part.
>
> Grilled catfish is quite tasty but the fillet's are better done that way
> and they are $4.99. I have grilled the nuggets but they are better deep
> fried. I don't batter tho' so they don't retain a lot of oil.

I've tried grilling catfish and found I just don't like it grilled.

>
> I've also been known to poach them as it's easier, faster, less messy
> and is really quite good.

I've not found much of anything besides eggs that I like poached.

>
> > >
> > > Fresh veggies (and fresh frozen) on the other hand are quite affordable.
> > > My grossery bill is lower when I buy more of them. And we like them. ;-d
> > > Fruit tends to be a bit higher but not always. Depends on season.
> >
> > Fresh veggies are also feasible to grow yourself in many cases.
>
> Not with the cost of water here. :-(
> It's FAR cheaper to purchase them. I've been down that road.

Hydroponic, 25% of the water usage of conventional, no soil to make a
mess and little or no weeding. Very compatible with even city dwelling
if you have a sunny window.

>
> >
> > >
> > > Rice, beans, pasta and bread are some of the lowest priced food on the
> > > market.
> >
> > Yep. The problem there is what you serve with them.
>
> I have a delightful pot of bean soup in the 'frige right now made with
> Black Soy Beans, but shipped from Eden foods, they ran me close to $2.00
> per lb.:
>
> http://www.edenfoods.com/store/produ...ucts_id=102814
>
> Black soy beans are VERY low in carbs, high in protein and fiber. They
> are the only truly low carb bean that there is and I've had zero luck
> finding them locally. I split a 25 lb. bag with a low carbing co-worker
> and re-sold another 5 lbs. to someone for seed. I want to try to grow
> them too.
>
> I made them using ham stock but before you gag, when I make that kind of
> stock, it gets refrigerated overnight so I can remove nearly ALL of the
> fat from it! I added onion, garlic, celery and fresh ginger. I used only
> the ham skins this time as I did not have enough space to add the bones.
> Those are in the freezer destined for some split peas later on. ;-d
>
> I also added my usual salt free lemon pepper. <G>
>
> It takes me 3 days to make a pot of beans.
>
> To the strained off skin and collagen, I added 3 large sliced carrots.
>
> The soup came out utterly divine. Pics to follow later.

Problem is, I don't generally consider soup to be a complete meal so I
have to make something else to go with it. Stew can qualify as a meal,
particularly if there are dumplings involved.

>
> As for rice, we only buy black, red and brown and I make it with stock.
> It does not need butter with that much flavoring so it is served as a
> side dish. I make rice probably once every 1 or two months and add lots
> of veggies.

Basmati. Best stuff on the planet except perhaps for things like sushi
and risotto.

>
> Pasta is a treat once or twice per year. My dad makes the most delicious
> clam and garlic sauce to serve over it. He's been getting whole wheat
> for himself and corn noodles for me.

Make your own pasta. Easy and fun, especially if you make sub-batches to
do sun dried tomato and spinach variants for the colorful effect.

>
> Bread... was totally out of the house for awhile. I get sick every time
> I indulge so that is a good deterrent. :-P I wish dad would not buy it
> at all. He does not need it either. I get my genes for possible diabetes
> from him.

I don't do a lot of bread either, generally bread shows up for specific
applications like turkey burgers and isn't regularly around.

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> > Doctors tell us to eat at least 2 servings of fish per week, higher fat
> > sea fish such as Salmon etc. $6.00 per lb. on up.
>
> >
> > Fine doc'. Ya wanna buy it for me?
> > I can't justify the cost of eating it more than a couple of times per
> > month. Not when chicken is $.79 to $1.29 and pork is less expensive than
> > good beef (and fish).
>
> Canned Salmon (I can't taste any oversalting) wild sold at Costco is very
> good, no extra water, no skin -- all edible is 6 cans $10. Probably a 7 oz.
> can, which is enough for me for 2 meals. I think 4 oz. is sufficient for
> any meat per meal (my opinion). $6 divided by a 4 oz serving is $1.50 a
> serving - I try to think of food as medicine when it is overwhelming in
> price.
>
> But I take fish oil everyday as well.

Excellent point (canned fish is always cheaper than fresh!)
but I'm not a fan of canned salmon. I'd rather eat mackerel and remove
the bones.

But, tastes vary of course.

>
> >
> > Canned tuna is too high in salt to eat regularly but it is affordable.
> > Rice, beans, pasta and bread are some of the lowest priced food on the
> > market.
>
> > Peace, Om
>
> Umm, rice and beans -- pasta and bread -- my favorite foods, but I always
> have fruit (3 different a day) and veggies (I work on getting 4) and some
> meat or cheese or eggs. This week my fruit has been each day: banana,
> peach, apple and dried blueberries.
> And my veggies have been that which I bought at the Farmers Market last
> week.

You don't have my genes. <G> I'm glad for ya. If I ate like that I'd
once again have triglycerides of 600 and be type II diabetic in a month.

Main carbs come from leafy greens and cruciferous veggies.
I'm glad I like them. We also eat quite a few carrots which are not
really low carb, so I curb them. Dad gets most of those.

>
> Actually when DH is away, I see actually how little I do eat (in comparison
> to him) in money terms. But the weight stays the same ;-)
>
> Dee Dee

He's a GUY! He has testosterone on his side. ;-D

Sounds like you eat pretty healthy.

I'm not holding my breath, but my weight has dropped 5 lbs. over the
past month. I've really been cracking down, and I've not been very
hungry.
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>
> In article >,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> > >
> > > In article om>,
> > > new nym > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Aug 29, 3:17 pm, Becca > wrote:
> > > > > Hmmm, I need to have a peek at my neighbors.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://tinylink.com/?aC2LSVpR4N
> > > > >
> > > > > Becca
> > > >
> > > > Duh. More money means you can afford to eat better, for many reasons.
> > >
> > > I thought about that too.
> >
> > More money can also mean that the household has two people working full
> > time to pay for the overpriced micro mansion and yuppmobiles in the
> > garage and as a result is so rushed that they rely on prepared
> > "convenience" crap foods and get fat.
>
> It is funny how so many people live to the END of their means rather
> than budgeting. I did it for quite a few years myself.

"Live while I'm alive, save when I'm dead"

>
> I'm now trying to empty my house of un-needed "crap" and only purchase
> "needs" instead of "wants".

If we all did that, we'd be living in barren little shacks. If it isn't
food, water or shelter, it's a want, not a need.

>
> I actually have a decent savings account at the moment (or the
> beginnings of one anyway) and was able to pay the $1,200 repair bill on
> dad's truck without using a credit card!

I have crap for savings, but I've got a lot of tools and do my own
repairs.

>
> I hope to gods I can keep it up. I think I finally saw the light. ;-)
>
> But, I don't have kids. Just nephews, and my sister and brother in law
> are technophiles. :-P
>
> It's not easy with the constant bombardment of advertising and spam.
> We are a consumerist society and are brainwashed.

I don't have a problem. I've never been swayed by any advertising spam,
never followed anything "trendy" and generally never given a damn what
anyone else has or does, only what interests me.

>
> From what I've read tho', many people in my age group finally start to
> wise up. Gives me 20 more years to try to save for retirement. I have a
> very good investment counselor.

Retirement is what people did back in the days when companies valued
employees and pensions actually existed and paid out. Those days are
long gone, replaced be absurd levels of corporate greed and corruption.
Not like corporate greed and corruption didn't exist back then, but it
wasn't as epidemic as today.

>
> Interestingly enough, good, nutritious food takes second place to
> "things" in so many people's lives...

Good food is near the top of my list. Nutritious food is a couple spots
down the list.

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:


> > Do you eat just 4 oz. of fish as an entree? ;-)
> > I do see your point though. When I cook fish, I generally cook at least
> > a 16 oz. portion for the two of us and serve it with steamed veggies.
>
> Hell no, and I doubt anyone else in the US does either, but that's not
> the point. When a doctor tells you that you should eat x servings a week
> they are referring to the "official" servings, so your 8oz / person
> covers that week.

I think I conceded that point. <G>

> > With shrimp I cook 2 lbs.
>
> I do individual portions since it's just me. The typical portion works
> out to roughly 4oz.
>
> >
> > And serve it with no sides. <G>
>
> I often top a salad with sautéed shrimp and call it lunch.

Leftovers.

I HAVE served shrimp as a side and in salads but we were talking seafood
entree's. I have some very good pics of shrimp dishes I've made.

>
> >
> > Funny too as I have trouble eating more than 8 oz. of red meat at one
> > sitting, but fish and shrimp sit lighter on the stomach so I tend to eat
> > a larger portion.
>
> Usually the case.

;-)

> > See, I prefer water pack and have never tried the pouches. They cost
> > more than the cans, at least last I checked. It's been awhile. Tuna here
> > has been $.50 per can max unless you are getting the "fancy" stuff.
>
> Might be more than the cans, but it's no-drain and a lot tastier. Try to
> oil pack and you probably won't touch the water pack ever again. I seem
> to recall the late great Ms. Child berating the horrible water pack
> stuff.

Ok. I have tried canned oil pack and just don't care for it but I
understand that tastes vary. Otherwise oil pack would not be sold
anymore!

> > Grilled catfish is quite tasty but the fillet's are better done that way
> > and they are $4.99. I have grilled the nuggets but they are better deep
> > fried. I don't batter tho' so they don't retain a lot of oil.
>
> I've tried grilling catfish and found I just don't like it grilled.

_Electric_ grilled. Hamilton grill. Like this salmon fillet':

Grilled on the Hamilton (electric) grill with Lemon slices
and dried dill weed, and sides of steamed squash and black rice:
http://i11.tinypic.com/4ku66it.jpg

I don't have any pics yet of grilled catfish.


> > I've also been known to poach them as it's easier, faster, less messy
> > and is really quite good.
>
> I've not found much of anything besides eggs that I like poached.

It is a delicate process. Chicken breasts are very good poached if done
right. They are on a trivet over the stock with very little overlay. I
don't submerge it!

> > > Fresh veggies are also feasible to grow yourself in many cases.
> >
> > Not with the cost of water here. :-(
> > It's FAR cheaper to purchase them. I've been down that road.
>
> Hydroponic, 25% of the water usage of conventional, no soil to make a
> mess and little or no weeding. Very compatible with even city dwelling
> if you have a sunny window.

It's something I'm looking in to actually, for that very reason.

> > I have a delightful pot of bean soup in the 'frige right now made with
> > Black Soy Beans, but shipped from Eden foods, they ran me close to $2.00
> > per lb.:
> >
> > http://www.edenfoods.com/store/produ...ucts_id=102814
> >
> > Black soy beans are VERY low in carbs, high in protein and fiber. They
> > are the only truly low carb bean that there is and I've had zero luck
> > finding them locally. I split a 25 lb. bag with a low carbing co-worker
> > and re-sold another 5 lbs. to someone for seed. I want to try to grow
> > them too.
> >
> > I made them using ham stock but before you gag, when I make that kind of
> > stock, it gets refrigerated overnight so I can remove nearly ALL of the
> > fat from it! I added onion, garlic, celery and fresh ginger. I used only
> > the ham skins this time as I did not have enough space to add the bones.
> > Those are in the freezer destined for some split peas later on. ;-d
> >
> > I also added my usual salt free lemon pepper. <G>
> >
> > It takes me 3 days to make a pot of beans.
> >
> > To the strained off skin and collagen, I added 3 large sliced carrots.
> >
> > The soup came out utterly divine. Pics to follow later.
>
> Problem is, I don't generally consider soup to be a complete meal so I
> have to make something else to go with it. Stew can qualify as a meal,
> particularly if there are dumplings involved.

Bean soup is quite filling!
It's traditionally served with corn bread but I've not done that in ages.

> > As for rice, we only buy black, red and brown and I make it with stock.
> > It does not need butter with that much flavoring so it is served as a
> > side dish. I make rice probably once every 1 or two months and add lots
> > of veggies.
>
> Basmati. Best stuff on the planet except perhaps for things like sushi
> and risotto.

Perhaps, but we quit eating polished white rice a long time ago.
Empty calories. With some exceptions, we try to eat for nutrition as
much as flavor. Treats not withstanding. ;-) Just for the most part.

A good brown rice is more tasty than any white rice, at least in our
opinion.

> > Pasta is a treat once or twice per year. My dad makes the most delicious
> > clam and garlic sauce to serve over it. He's been getting whole wheat
> > for himself and corn noodles for me.
>
> Make your own pasta. Easy and fun, especially if you make sub-batches to
> do sun dried tomato and spinach variants for the colorful effect.

I can't eat wheat. Not comfortably.
I'd have to learn rice and corn variations.

> I don't do a lot of bread either, generally bread shows up for specific
> applications like turkey burgers and isn't regularly around.

I'm planning to play around with corn bread. I have a few recipes
stashed. Just have not gotten around to it yet.
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> Problem is, I don't generally consider soup to be a complete meal so I
> have to make something else to go with it. Stew can qualify as a meal,
> particularly if there are dumplings involved.
>

My soup is always veggie soup, but generally it is more of an minestrone or
fagioli (sp?) as I put rinds of parmesan in it, and red beans, sometimes a
little pasta.

If I make a chicken soup, it is not overwhelmed by the amount of chicken,
and does have some veggies in it or even rice or noodles.

If I make a bean (usually Indian type) soups, it is served with rice.

All these I consider a complete meal; of course with added little dishes or
fruit to the side, just as you would serve with a meat dish.

Then, of course there's chili for those who like chili soup;-)

Dee Dee
Waiting for winter

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
>>
> Excellent point (canned fish is always cheaper than fresh!)
> but I'm not a fan of canned salmon. I'd rather eat mackerel and remove
> the bones.
>

I try to buy the Bumble Bee wild salmon which has bone and skin, but
definitely is more expensive and has a lot of bones. I used to mash up the
bones; not lately though.
>
> You don't have my genes. <G> I'm glad for ya. If I ate like that I'd
> once again have triglycerides of 600 and be type II diabetic in a month.


You see, those darned pyramids just don't make sense for everyone. Not even
when they change them ever-so-often.


>
> I'm not holding my breath, but my weight has dropped 5 lbs. over the
> past month. I've really been cracking down, and I've not been very
> hungry.
> --

Keep it up.
I go up and down the stairs in our house many times a day; actually I can
feel even a couple of extra pounds carrying it up those 13 stairs. Puffin'
and huffin'
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news

> I try to buy the Bumble Bee wild salmon which has bone and skin, but
> definitely is more expensive and has a lot of bones. I used to mash up the
> bones; not lately though.

Ever tried Jack Mackerel?

> >
> > You don't have my genes. <G> I'm glad for ya. If I ate like that I'd
> > once again have triglycerides of 600 and be type II diabetic in a month.
>
>
> You see, those darned pyramids just don't make sense for everyone. Not even
> when they change them ever-so-often.

They can't seem to make up their minds. ;-)
They don't seem to "get it" that everybody is different.

> > I'm not holding my breath, but my weight has dropped 5 lbs. over the
> > past month. I've really been cracking down, and I've not been very
> > hungry.
> > --
>
> Keep it up.
> I go up and down the stairs in our house many times a day; actually I can
> feel even a couple of extra pounds carrying it up those 13 stairs. Puffin'
> and huffin'
> Dee Dee

Soon as the weather cools off, I'll be going to the range more to gather
brass shells and lead. Lots of bending and stooping and I work up a
sweat. With the price of lead skyrocketing, I want to try smelting it
and pouring it into 1 lb. bar molds, then selling it. :-) It's worth
more if I take the time to clean it.

This will of course be done outdoors!

There are literally tons of lead in those pistol berms...

If I can continue to stay the hell away from starch and keep the
calories down, well, it seems to work better if I don't dwell on it.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Dee Dee" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>
>> I try to buy the Bumble Bee wild salmon which has bone and skin, but
>> definitely is more expensive and has a lot of bones. I used to mash up
>> the
>> bones; not lately though.
>
> Ever tried Jack Mackerel?

I don't know about Jack, but I've tried mackerel. I'm one of those people
that can't stand it. Same with catfish.The earliest memories I have of fish
are trout, always trout. Now I really don't even like trout.
F-i-l loves it -- opens a can and opens his mouth - in it goes.
Dee Dee

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:38:41 -0400, Ward Abbott >
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T >
>wrote:
>
>> Someday when you get a chance
>>walk into a convenience store and note the prices on the cheap carbs and
>>then prices on fruits if the store carries such things.
>>
>>The cheap carbs win out.
>
>It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
>full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
>for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
>buy...it WAS MY MONEY!
>

tough shit.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:11 -0400, Ward Abbott >
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:09:25 -0500, "Ms P" >
>wrote:
>
>>I'm impressed at your psychic abilities!!
>
>Thank you. I impress myself daily.
>

well, that's at least one person.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Dee Dee" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >> news
> >
> >> I try to buy the Bumble Bee wild salmon which has bone and skin, but
> >> definitely is more expensive and has a lot of bones. I used to mash up
> >> the
> >> bones; not lately though.
> >
> > Ever tried Jack Mackerel?
>
> I don't know about Jack, but I've tried mackerel. I'm one of those people
> that can't stand it. Same with catfish.The earliest memories I have of fish
> are trout, always trout. Now I really don't even like trout.
> F-i-l loves it -- opens a can and opens his mouth - in it goes.
> Dee Dee

Sounds like you prefer a milder fish then? But you like Salmon? :-)

I like trout too except for all those hair fine bones.

Sometimes I'll just go for Red Snapper if I'm feeling flush at the
moment, but we were talking about canned. <G>

How do you feel about Sardines? Mom's cardiologist highly recommended
them.

They are ok, but I try to remove at least the spine bones before eating
them.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
>
> How do you feel about Sardines? Mom's cardiologist highly recommended
> them.
>
> They are ok, but I try to remove at least the spine bones before eating
> them.
> --
> Peace, Om


Just can't do it. But grilled they 'look' delicious.

But I know if I were in Italy and they were fixed properly, I'd go for it.
I know that I'm missing the treat of my life. Usually on foodnetwork when
they fix them, they have the "sweet little heads" on them -- aww, I just
can't get past that.

I've bought them in cans (for health reasons) and they've set there until
the expiration date.
Dee Dee

T > wrote:

> Poverty is highly associated with obesity.

In the posted context perhaps. True poverty is associated with
emaciation in much of the world.

Victor

jmcquown wrote:
> Ward Abbott wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:15:08 -0400, T
>>
>> It just ****es me off to see a doublewide divorcee with a grocery cart
>> full of Klondikes, Twinkies and Ho-Ho's and then have the nerve to pay
>> for the garbage with food stamps. I should have a say what they can
>> buy...it WAS MY MONEY!
>
> Some people who receive food stamps (and no, I don't any longer... they
> don't go on in perpetuitylso paid THEIR OWN MONEY into that system for 20+
> years.
>
> I sure as Hell didn't mind asking for a little help when I needed it, yet it
> took 2 years before anyone acknowledged I could actually get this kind of
> help. I lived off my savings. (And I never got any other help, BTW. Why?
> Because I don't have kids and/or their kids to support. In those
> situations, "grandma's" who are still taking care of their adult kids and
> all of their kids seem to get a free pass. Not fair but it's the truth, at
> least in Tennessee.)
>
> The prevailing attitude of some people that anyone who might need some
> assistance which *they themselves paid into for countless years* are all
> "deadbeats" just amazes me. Wish I could have dragged some of you with me
> when I applied for benefits. The ones who were "reupping" their benefits
> (and trust me, you could hear their conversations loud and clear) were
> wearing more gold jewelry than you could shake a stick at. They had cell
> phones permanently plastered to their ears, wearing the latest hair fashions
> (interpret that however you want to), sculpted nails out to HERE and 2-3
> children in tow. <shrugs> Such is the system.
>
> Jill
>
>

How drunk were you when you typed that?

In article >,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> > It is funny how so many people live to the END of their means rather
> > than budgeting. I did it for quite a few years myself.
>
> "Live while I'm alive, save when I'm dead"

Heh! But I'd rather not have to work until I die.

>
> >
> > I'm now trying to empty my house of un-needed "crap" and only purchase
> > "needs" instead of "wants".
>
> If we all did that, we'd be living in barren little shacks. If it isn't
> food, water or shelter, it's a want, not a need.

That is very much a matter of personal satisfaction.
There is a lot of stuff that'd be cool to have, but would not make me
any happier (just take up space!) so I don't need it.

I "need" my DVD collection (over 300 now) but I now wait instead of
purchasing new releases until I can at least get a used copy for 1/2
price for instance.

I also don't "need" a laptop nor an ipod.

> > I actually have a decent savings account at the moment (or the
> > beginnings of one anyway) and was able to pay the $1,200 repair bill on
> > dad's truck without using a credit card!
>
> I have crap for savings, but I've got a lot of tools and do my own
> repairs.

And the knowlege. Neither one of us can replace an entire set of brakes,
nor do we have the tools/equipment to do it.

We can both do oil changes tho'. ;-)

I have to save at LEAST $2,200 per year just to pay annual property
taxes and home owners insurance.

I'd also rather not pay credit card interest any more. I'm fed up with
that crap.

>
> Retirement is what people did back in the days when companies valued
> employees and pensions actually existed and paid out. Those days are
> long gone, replaced be absurd levels of corporate greed and corruption.
> Not like corporate greed and corruption didn't exist back then, but it
> wasn't as epidemic as today.

I have a pension adding up.
Plus an IRA to go (hopefully) with SSI AND a private teaching business.
I have plans. I'd never totally retire from the world. What would I do
with myself (other than play on the internet)?


> > Interestingly enough, good, nutritious food takes second place to
> > "things" in so many people's lives...
>
> Good food is near the top of my list. Nutritious food is a couple spots
> down the list.

Morgage and major bills are my #1.
Good food is second only to the roof over my head and the utilities to
run it.
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In article >,
"Dee Dee" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > How do you feel about Sardines? Mom's cardiologist highly recommended
> > them.
> >
> > They are ok, but I try to remove at least the spine bones before eating
> > them.
> > --
> > Peace, Om
>
>
> Just can't do it. But grilled they 'look' delicious.
>
> But I know if I were in Italy and they were fixed properly, I'd go for it.
> I know that I'm missing the treat of my life. Usually on foodnetwork when
> they fix them, they have the "sweet little heads" on them -- aww, I just
> can't get past that.
>
> I've bought them in cans (for health reasons) and they've set there until
> the expiration date.
> Dee Dee

Heh! I don't eat a LOT of them, but they are good (heads removed)
wrapped in a lettuce leaf with a bit of mayo.
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Omelet wrote:
>
> Morgage and major bills are my #1.
> Good food is second only to the roof over my head and the utilities to
> run it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "good" food, sounds like you're implying
costly food. I think healthful nutritious food needs to be #1, what
good are material things without your health. And healthful
nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods... there is more
healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful. Folks
who think to save money by depriving themselves of healthful
nutritious food are practising a false economy... kishka gelt (money
saved from depriving ones stomach) is never wise. Good food should
always be #1.

Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
experiencing no deprivation whatsoever... utility companys become
wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
that's why they are wealthy.

Sheldon

In article . com>,
Sheldon > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > Morgage and major bills are my #1.
> > Good food is second only to the roof over my head and the utilities to
> > run it.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "good" food, sounds like you're implying
> costly food. I think healthful nutritious food needs to be #1, what
> good are material things without your health. And healthful
> nutritious foods are rarely the costly foods...

Duh.
You are reading stuff into my post that is not their.
Actually, healthful foods are generally cheaper than junk foods per lb.

> there is more
> healthful nutrition in a lean round steak than in a rib steak... and
> there are far, far more ways to make a round steak flavorful.

Yeah. RAW! Dipped in raw egg yolk and shoyu. ;-d

> Folks
> who think to save money by depriving themselves of healthful
> nutritious food are practising a false economy... kishka gelt (money
> saved from depriving ones stomach) is never wise. Good food should
> always be #1.

Good food does you no good if you are living under a bridge with no
refrigerator.

I suppose you can live out of an ice chest.

>
> Btw, folks can easily cut their utility bills by half while
> experiencing no deprivation whatsoever...

I'm always open to suggestion, but I will NOT give up keeping my
thermostat at 72 during the summer! I cannot stand being hot, even a
little bit.

It turns me into a raving bitch and I can't sleep at all!

> utility companys become
> wealthy because most consumers are both lazy and ignorant, and in fact
> it's those at the lowest level of the economic scale who relative to
> income waste a greater proportion of their assets due to laziness and
> ignorance. Wealthy folks are typically comparatively more frugal,
> that's why they are wealthy.
>
> Sheldon

See above.
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