On Sep 10, 9:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> >> The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
> >> butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
>
> >> MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
> >> Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
>
> >> With me so far?
>
> > Maybe we should try a different approach. I don't know the area very well
> > and haven't walked past a butcher store. Therefore there aren't any within
> > 300 miles and it is the same for most people
> > ??
>
> Philosophy: Intro to Logic 101

Everyone should have to pass a class in logic to graduate high school.
They should also be taught the following topics in finite math:

Counting and Probability

* Lesson 1: Counting
* Lesson 2: Assigning Probabilities
* Lesson 3: Computing Probabilities
* Lesson 4: More Probability Computations
source-- http://www.dcs.wisc.edu/LSA/indlearn.../U600-210.html
>
> Not.

--Bryan

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
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> On Sep 10, 9:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>> >> The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
>> >> butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
>>
>> >> MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
>> >> Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
>>
>> >> With me so far?
>>
>> > Maybe we should try a different approach. I don't know the area very
>> > well
>> > and haven't walked past a butcher store. Therefore there aren't any
>> > within
>> > 300 miles and it is the same for most people
>> > ??
>>
>> Philosophy: Intro to Logic 101
>
> Everyone should have to pass a class in logic to graduate high school.
> They should also be taught the following topics in finite math:
>
> Counting and Probability
>
> * Lesson 1: Counting
> * Lesson 2: Assigning Probabilities
> * Lesson 3: Computing Probabilities
> * Lesson 4: More Probability Computations
> source-- http://www.dcs.wisc.edu/LSA/indlearn.../U600-210.html
>>
>> Not.
>
> --Bryan
>

A bit of set theory would be a good thing, too.

cybercat wrote:

> > I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
> > butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and
> > towns.
> > So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go
> > 300
> > miles or more to find one.
>
> What makes you "most people?" You're being incredibly stupid.

It is all about population density. You should know about being dense.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> > I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
>> > butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and
>> > towns.
>> > So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go
>> > 300
>> > miles or more to find one.
>>
>> What makes you "most people?" You're being incredibly stupid.
>
> It is all about population density. You should know about being dense.

Very witty. You apparently think. Ugh.

cybercat wrote:
> "Becca" > wrote in message
> ...
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> I am a much better cook than my mother, because I was interested in
>>> cooking. My own kids, especially my son, are more creative cooks
>>> than I am.
>>
>> It will be a better world, if each generation improves over the last
>> generation. I hope my children are better cooks, better parents,
>> better artists and better neighbors.
>>
> You are the kind of person who *should* have children. There are
> actually mothers who resent the success of their children and/or
> compete with them. (Not in my family .. but I have seen it among my
> friends.)

that is just awful

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> >What can I say, other than to repeat that I have three of them within 3
>> >miles of me, and I live in a small town. If I go into the city there are
>> >several more. Come to think of it, those three butcher shops are closer
>> >than the nearest grocery store. For some reason, most people just don't
>> >bother going to the local butcher and just get their meat from the grocery
>> >store. Bear in mind that I was responding to Ward's claim that most people
>> >have to travel 300 miles to find a butcher shop. That is just plain
>> >ludicrous.
>>
>> people live in different places, dave. they're not all the same as
>> the place you live.
>
>
>I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
>butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and towns.
>So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go 300
>miles or more to find one.

i guess i have to say it again. people live in different places,
dave. they're not all the same as the place you live.

did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> >What can I say, other than to repeat that I have three of them within 3
>>> >miles of me, and I live in a small town. If I go into the city there
>>> >are
>>> >several more. Come to think of it, those three butcher shops are closer
>>> >than the nearest grocery store. For some reason, most people just
>>> >don't
>>> >bother going to the local butcher and just get their meat from the
>>> >grocery
>>> >store. Bear in mind that I was responding to Ward's claim that most
>>> >people
>>> >have to travel 300 miles to find a butcher shop. That is just plain
>>> >ludicrous.
>>>
>>> people live in different places, dave. they're not all the same as
>>> the place you live.
>>
>>
>>I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
>>butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and
>>towns.
>>So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go
>>300
>>miles or more to find one.
>
> i guess i have to say it again. people live in different places,
> dave. they're not all the same as the place you live.
>
> did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?
>
> your pal,
> blake

His exact words:

"The closest "dedicated butcher" is probably 300 miles from where I
live. Most people also are in that predicament.

It probably would be easier to find a millinery shop."

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
> >
> > >What can I say, other than to repeat that I have three of them within 3
> > >miles of me, and I live in a small town. If I go into the city there are
> > >several more. Come to think of it, those three butcher shops are closer
> > >than the nearest grocery store. For some reason, most people just don't
> > >bother going to the local butcher and just get their meat from the grocery
> > >store. Bear in mind that I was responding to Ward's claim that most people
> > >have to travel 300 miles to find a butcher shop. That is just plain
> > >ludicrous.
> >
> > people live in different places, dave. they're not all the same as
> > the place you live.
>
>
> I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
> butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and towns.
> So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go 300
> miles or more to find one.

I only have to drive 4 miles to find one, but about 15 to find a GOOD
one.

But, considering I've actually driven some of the back roads of Texas,
having to drive 300 miles is not out of the question... It's a big state
and I doubt there are as many butcher shops up North as there are here
in the South.
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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> >
> >
> > The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
> > butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
> >
> > MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
> > Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
> >
> > With me so far?
>
>
> Maybe we should try a different approach. I don't know the area very well
> and haven't walked past a butcher store. Therefore there aren't any within
> 300 miles and it is the same for most people
> ??

JSB also likes to simply yank people's chains for entertainment.

Odds are he's not read his local yellow pages.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:46:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:22:24 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> >Fercrissakes you whined that there isn't a butcher shop for 300 miles,
>>>> >or a
>>>> >millinery shop, and said that most people are in the same position.
>>>> >Based
>>>> >on what I have access to that is bullshit. If I have three local
>>>> >butcher
>>>> >shops within 3 miles of me, everyone else in town does too. If I have
>>>> >access to 2 millinery stores, everyone around here does too. I suppose
>>>> >there are a few people around her who don't bother with the real
>>>> >butcher
>>>> >shop and don't know about them and the millinery stores, and are too
>>>> >dumb
>>>> >to find them, they may sit around and broadcast their ignorance too.
>>>>
>>>> maybe so, but most of the butcher shops i see around here (d.c. area)
>>>> are halal butchers. honest-to-god butchers that actually cut meat in
>>>> a stand-alone store are not as common as you might think.
>>>
>>>What can I say, other than to repeat that I have three of them within 3
>>>miles of me, and I live in a small town. If I go into the city there are
>>>several more. Come to think of it, those three butcher shops are closer
>>>than the nearest grocery store. For some reason, most people just don't
>>>bother going to the local butcher and just get their meat from the grocery
>>>store. Bear in mind that I was responding to Ward's claim that most
>>>people
>>>have to travel 300 miles to find a butcher shop. That is just plain
>>>ludicrous.
>>
>> people live in different places, dave. they're not all the same as
>> the place you live.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
>The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
>butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
>
>MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
>Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
>
>
>With me so far?
>

o.k, if ward did say 'most people' that was foolish. but for dave to
say there are three within three miles of *him*, implying that same
must be true for 'most people' is equally foolish. all i was
originally saying was that i don't think i have three butchers within
three miles of me, and i live an urban area.

with me so far?

your pal,
blake

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
>> > butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
>> >
>> > MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
>> > Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
>> >
>> > With me so far?
>>
>>
>> Maybe we should try a different approach. I don't know the area very well
>> and haven't walked past a butcher store. Therefore there aren't any
>> within
>> 300 miles and it is the same for most people
>> ??
>
> JSB also likes to simply yank people's chains for entertainment.
>
> Odds are he's not read his local yellow pages.
> --
> Peace, Om


You are deeply confused because you are responding only to messages which
provide you with an opportunity to say something - anything.

Try and keep up with the discussion.

"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote

> "blake murphy" > wrote

>> did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?

> His exact words:
>
> "The closest "dedicated butcher" is probably 300 miles from where I
> live. Most people also are in that predicament.
>
> It probably would be easier to find a millinery shop."

Meanwhile, if I want to find heirloom pork, I have to drive to
less populated areas ... if I lived 300 miles from a butcher, I
wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an actual farmer just up the
road selling meat.

nancy

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:46:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:22:24 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >Fercrissakes you whined that there isn't a butcher shop for 300
>>>>> >miles,
>>>>> >or a
>>>>> >millinery shop, and said that most people are in the same position.
>>>>> >Based
>>>>> >on what I have access to that is bullshit. If I have three local
>>>>> >butcher
>>>>> >shops within 3 miles of me, everyone else in town does too. If I have
>>>>> >access to 2 millinery stores, everyone around here does too. I
>>>>> >suppose
>>>>> >there are a few people around her who don't bother with the real
>>>>> >butcher
>>>>> >shop and don't know about them and the millinery stores, and are too
>>>>> >dumb
>>>>> >to find them, they may sit around and broadcast their ignorance too.
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe so, but most of the butcher shops i see around here (d.c. area)
>>>>> are halal butchers. honest-to-god butchers that actually cut meat in
>>>>> a stand-alone store are not as common as you might think.
>>>>
>>>>What can I say, other than to repeat that I have three of them within 3
>>>>miles of me, and I live in a small town. If I go into the city there are
>>>>several more. Come to think of it, those three butcher shops are closer
>>>>than the nearest grocery store. For some reason, most people just don't
>>>>bother going to the local butcher and just get their meat from the
>>>>grocery
>>>>store. Bear in mind that I was responding to Ward's claim that most
>>>>people
>>>>have to travel 300 miles to find a butcher shop. That is just plain
>>>>ludicrous.
>>>
>>> people live in different places, dave. they're not all the same as
>>> the place you live.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>>
>>The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
>>butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
>>
>>MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
>>Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
>>
>>
>>With me so far?
>>
>
> o.k, if ward did say 'most people' that was foolish. but for dave to
> say there are three within three miles of *him*, implying that same
> must be true for 'most people' is equally foolish. all i was
> originally saying was that i don't think i have three butchers within
> three miles of me, and i live an urban area.
>
> with me so far?
>
> your pal,
> blake


Yep, you're right. Ward was silly, and Dave was trying his best to be
Omelet, who also thinks the whole world is identical to her village. Witness
the "all oranges are sold by the piece, not by the weight" spew, still
underway.

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> > with me so far?
> >
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
>
> Yep, you're right. Ward was silly, and Dave was trying his best to be
> Omelet, who also thinks the whole world is identical to her village. Witness
> the "all oranges are sold by the piece, not by the weight" spew, still
> underway.

I gave up on that one. ;-)

I'm not quite that stupid but if people want to misinterpret my posts
because I forgot to add the word "here", that is their prerogative.
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>> > with me so far?
>> >
>> > your pal,
>> > blake
>>
>>
>> Yep, you're right. Ward was silly, and Dave was trying his best to be
>> Omelet, who also thinks the whole world is identical to her village.
>> Witness
>> the "all oranges are sold by the piece, not by the weight" spew, still
>> underway.
>
> I gave up on that one. ;-)
>
> I'm not quite that stupid but if people want to misinterpret my posts
> because I forgot to add the word "here", that is their prerogative.
> --
> Peace, Om


When you repeat the same nonsense multiple times, there was no "forgot". You
meant what you said.

Omelet wrote:

> > I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
> > butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and towns.
> > So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go 300
> > miles or more to find one.
>
> I only have to drive 4 miles to find one, but about 15 to find a GOOD
> one.

That is 285 miles closer than he claimed *most people* had to travel.

> But, considering I've actually driven some of the back roads of Texas,
> having to drive 300 miles is not out of the question... It's a big state
> and I doubt there are as many butcher shops up North as there are here
> in the South.

That may be in the back roads of Texas, but *most people* don't live out
on the back roads, *most people* live in high density population areas.

> --
> Peace, Om
>
> Remove _ to validate e-mails.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

blake murphy wrote:
>
>
> >I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
> >butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and towns.
> >So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go 300
> >miles or more to find one.
>
> i guess i have to say it again. people live in different places,
> dave. they're not all the same as the place you live.
>
> did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?

Joesparebedroom and I both quoted his original comment, and you can follow
the thread back to where he said it. Most people may not have one within a
few miles, but certainly don't have to travel hundreds of miles.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Omelet wrote:
>
>> > I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
>> > butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and
>> > towns.
>> > So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go
>> > 300
>> > miles or more to find one.
>>
>> I only have to drive 4 miles to find one, but about 15 to find a GOOD
>> one.
>
> That is 285 miles closer than he claimed *most people* had to travel.
>
>> But, considering I've actually driven some of the back roads of Texas,
>> having to drive 300 miles is not out of the question... It's a big state
>> and I doubt there are as many butcher shops up North as there are here
>> in the South.
>
> That may be in the back roads of Texas, but *most people* don't live out
> on the back roads, *most people* live in high density population areas.


Wanna place a bet on how many more times we need to repeat this "high
density" concept? :-)

blake murphy wrote:
>
>
> >The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
> >butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
> >
> >MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
> >Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
> >
> >
> >With me so far?
> >
>
> o.k, if ward did say 'most people' that was foolish.

That is exactly what he said.

> but for dave to
> say there are three within three miles of *him*, implying that same
> must be true for 'most people' is equally foolish. all i was
> originally saying was that i don't think i have three butchers within
> three miles of me, and i live an urban area.

I never implied that my having butcher shops within three miles of my house
in this little town would mean that most people would also have three
within three miles. It only implies that if I have that many that close to
me that it is unlikely that *most people* have to travel 300 miles to find
one. If I were to draw a circle with a hundred mile radius of here, there
would be more than 5 million people included. If I were to reduce it to 20
miles, not an unreasonable distance to drive for good shopping, it would
include all the people living in the Niagara Peninsula, roughly 350,000. So
around here, everybody around here has a butcher shop within 20 miles.
Curiously, if you go to a city, chances of finding a speciality store,
like a butcher shop, you are more likely to find one. For people living in
Toronto, there are several butcher shops in each of the two major markets,
and a 15 mile radius would include 6-7 million, a quarter of the population
of the country. Sure, there aren't many butcher shops in the far north,
but there aren't many people up there so we can exclude them from *most
people*.

> with me so far?
>
> your pal,
> blake

blake murphy wrote:

> did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?
>


Hopefully not in Lumpy Rutherford's or Eddie Haskell's old beaters of
cars...

--
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Greg

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > > I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
> > > butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and
> > > towns.
> > > So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go
> > > 300
> > > miles or more to find one.
> >
> > I only have to drive 4 miles to find one, but about 15 to find a GOOD
> > one.
>
> That is 285 miles closer than he claimed *most people* had to travel.
>
> > But, considering I've actually driven some of the back roads of Texas,
> > having to drive 300 miles is not out of the question... It's a big state
> > and I doubt there are as many butcher shops up North as there are here
> > in the South.
>
> That may be in the back roads of Texas, but *most people* don't live out
> on the back roads, *most people* live in high density population areas.
>

It would make an interesting survey...

I'd be curious as to the percentage of people that have access to a
reliably good butcher shop.

Granzine's in New Braunfels has been repeatedly preached to me. They are
around 20 miles and I've not checked them yet.

I'm wondering if they do custom cutting. The one in Kyle does and they
charged a very reasonable per lb. price.

I don't have their current rates. It's been a few years. They custom
slices an emu rump for around $18.00 total. I don't remember the per lb.
rate.
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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
> > >butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and towns.
> > >So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go 300
> > >miles or more to find one.
> >
> > i guess i have to say it again. people live in different places,
> > dave. they're not all the same as the place you live.
> >
> > did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?
>
> Joesparebedroom and I both quoted his original comment, and you can follow
> the thread back to where he said it. Most people may not have one within a
> few miles, but certainly don't have to travel hundreds of miles.

But "we" are not "everybody". ;-)
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:18 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >What can I say, other than to repeat that I have three of them within 3
>>>> >miles of me, and I live in a small town. If I go into the city there
>>>> >are
>>>> >several more. Come to think of it, those three butcher shops are closer
>>>> >than the nearest grocery store. For some reason, most people just
>>>> >don't
>>>> >bother going to the local butcher and just get their meat from the
>>>> >grocery
>>>> >store. Bear in mind that I was responding to Ward's claim that most
>>>> >people
>>>> >have to travel 300 miles to find a butcher shop. That is just plain
>>>> >ludicrous.
>>>>
>>>> people live in different places, dave. they're not all the same as
>>>> the place you live.
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess I have to say it again. I live in a small town and have three
>>>butcher shops within 3 miles, and lots more in the nearby cities and
>>>towns.
>>>So I have a little trouble with the claim that "most people" have to go
>>>300
>>>miles or more to find one.
>>
>> i guess i have to say it again. people live in different places,
>> dave. they're not all the same as the place you live.
>>
>> did ward really say 'most people' have to drive 300 miles?
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>His exact words:
>
>"The closest "dedicated butcher" is probably 300 miles from where I
>live. Most people also are in that predicament.
>
>It probably would be easier to find a millinery shop."
>
well, o.k. then.

but that has nothing to do with both parties saying, essentially, 'but
these are the conditions where i live. therefore you must be wrong.'
this is not the only thread in which this has occurred, and dave is
not the only poster that does this. it's silly.

your pal,
blake

On Sep 11, 7:19 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 9:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
> >> >> The original claim was that MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO TRAVEL 300 MILES for a
> >> >> butcher shop. Let's use lots of white space to make this easy.
>
> >> >> MOST PEOPLE live in the largest population centers, not small towns.
> >> >> Otherwise, the small towns would be large population centers.
>
> >> >> With me so far?
>
> >> > Maybe we should try a different approach. I don't know the area very
> >> > well
> >> > and haven't walked past a butcher store. Therefore there aren't any
> >> > within
> >> > 300 miles and it is the same for most people
> >> > ??
>
> >> Philosophy: Intro to Logic 101
>
> > Everyone should have to pass a class in logic to graduate high school.
> > They should also be taught the following topics in finite math:
>
> > Counting and Probability
>
> > * Lesson 1: Counting
> > * Lesson 2: Assigning Probabilities
> > * Lesson 3: Computing Probabilities
> > * Lesson 4: More Probability Computations
> > source-- http://www.dcs.wisc.edu/LSA/indlearn.../U600-210.html
>
> >> Not.
>
> > --Bryan
>
> A bit of set theory would be a good thing, too.

EXACTLY! Venn diagrams. Flow charts are a must as well.

--Bryan

blake murphy wrote:
>
>
> >"The closest "dedicated butcher" is probably 300 miles from where I
> >live. Most people also are in that predicament.
> >
> >It probably would be easier to find a millinery shop."
> >
> well, o.k. then.
>
> but that has nothing to do with both parties saying, essentially, 'but
> these are the conditions where i live. therefore you must be wrong.'
> this is not the only thread in which this has occurred, and dave is
> not the only poster that does this. it's silly.


That is not the case at all. Neither he or I claimed that because we have
numerous butcher shops near our homes that everyone must have them nearby
too. Ward's suggestion that *most people* have to drive more than 300 miles
is just so far removed from our reality that can't possibly be true.

cybercat wrote:
> "Becca" > wrote in message
> ...
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> I am a much better cook than my mother, because I was interested in
>>> cooking. My own kids, especially my son, are more creative cooks than
>>> I am.
>> It will be a better world, if each generation improves over the last
>> generation. I hope my children are better cooks, better parents, better
>> artists and better neighbors.
>>
> You are the kind of person who *should* have children. There are actually
> mothers who resent the success of their children and/or compete with them.
> (Not in my family .. but I have seen it among my friends.)

One of my former coworkers was jealous of the relationship between her
husband and her teenage daughter. I never understood that.

Becca

On Sep 11, 8:09 pm, Becca > wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
> > "Becca" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> sf wrote:
>
> >>> I am a much better cook than my mother, because I was interested in
> >>> cooking. My own kids, especially my son, are more creative cooks than
> >>> I am.
> >> It will be a better world, if each generation improves over the last
> >> generation. I hope my children are better cooks, better parents, better
> >> artists and better neighbors.
>
> > You are the kind of person who *should* have children. There are actually
> > mothers who resent the success of their children and/or compete with them.
> > (Not in my family .. but I have seen it among my friends.)
>
> One of my former coworkers was jealous of the relationship between her
> husband and her teenage daughter. I never understood that.

Stepfather and teenage daughter, eh? Straight out of an early 70s 8mm
porn movie.
>
> Becca

--Bryan

"Becca" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>> "Becca" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am a much better cook than my mother, because I was interested in
>>>> cooking. My own kids, especially my son, are more creative cooks than
>>>> I am.
>>> It will be a better world, if each generation improves over the last
>>> generation. I hope my children are better cooks, better parents, better
>>> artists and better neighbors.
>>>
>> You are the kind of person who *should* have children. There are actually
>> mothers who resent the success of their children and/or compete with
>> them. (Not in my family .. but I have seen it among my friends.)
>
> One of my former coworkers was jealous of the relationship between her
> husband and her teenage daughter. I never understood that.
>

Yeah, that's really sad. I had a lot more to say about where my mother went
wrong in raising us before I got to know people whose mother's actually did
not
love them, or encourage them, or see their children's triumphs as their own.
And
she did do a bunch of questionable things, but the love was never in
question. In
lots of ways it is just the "luck of the draw," what kind of parents you
get, what
kinds of patterns you learn. Then again, there are those who just
automatically
go against whatever example their parents set for them. It fascinates me,
and leaves
me with a sense that I have definitely missed out on a lot by not parenting.
But my
greatest sense, in all honesty, is relief. I can **** things up all I want
and will not
be ****ing up anyone for whom I am responsible. Whew.